Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 17 Nov 2011 08:55

Times up for Hussain Haqqani.

The army chief and President Zardari met at Aiwan-e-Sadr early Tuesday and also discussed, according to sources, the army’s reservations about the Mansoor Ijaz memo. Security officials are said to have done their own snooping and concluded that Ijaz’s claims are not entirely fabricated. They have thus approached the president for an explanation who has assured them that a thorough probe is underway. US Ambassador Cameron Munter met the president late Tuesday night in what is being called an ‘unscheduled’ meeting. Soon after, Pakistan’s Washington embassy confirmed that the Ambassador to Washington, Husain Haqqani, had been officially summoned to Pakistan to brief the ruling leadership on “certain aspects of Pak-US relations”.

****** still has great influence , and that Man Mohan singh says That Pakistan army has been taken into confidence, WRT relations with India?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Nov 2011 08:57

saip wrote:News reports are saying five national birds carried out the attack. Is it the first time that many national birds laid their eggs?

Ek thaa Bird aurr Ek thaa Moojy
Dono Pakistan mei rehte thei
Hai yeh kahani bilkul Sacchi
Historian Mullah kehte thei!!

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 17 Nov 2011 09:05

Shiv sir, what if refugees start flowing into Amritsar? can we bomb them aerially? what if they settle as refugees and one day start talking about lebensauram as bangladeshi muslims are doing in assam?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Nov 2011 09:19

menon s wrote:Shiv sir, what if refugees start flowing into Amritsar? can we bomb them aerially? what if they settle as refugees and one day start talking about lebensauram as bangladeshi muslims are doing in assam?

This is a fair question.

But before we get to the question, what are the circumstances in which you foresee refugees flowing into Amritsar? I have, in the past posted some thoughts on this and want to know if you or anyone can say what sort of scenario in Pakjab would cause this kind of refugee flow.

I say this in jest - but the only situation in which I can see radical Pakjabis flee into India would be an outbreak of intense secularism in Pakistan. Typically refugee flow results from famines, earthquakes, floods and wars. What sort of situation in Pakjab could cause this?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Nov 2011 09:33

I agree with Shiv.To quote from Cooper in the series Mad Men,"Who cares?".Who cares if Pak breaks up and a flood of refugees start looking for new lands? The west has been so supportive of Paki emigration,Britain in particular,that THEY will take in the tribes of "crore commanders",feudal landlords,cash rich babus et al! We are not gentlemen going to see a revisionist take on Partition,with "trains from Pakistan" arriving with Pakjabis all wanting to flood the Punjab! Secure the borders with fencing,lay the minefields,build the water dams and let the tide of ordinary Paki humanity float down the Indus to Karachi where they can be loaded onto flotillas of Arab dhows heading for the fleshpots and gold paved streets of Dubai,Saudi Arabia and the Gulf a la Dunkirk! The name "Karachi" could take on a new historical meaning and why not? The Pakis could have their own "great escape" from perdition and carve out a new homeland with their leaders like Moses wandering in the deserrt for 40 years+,looking for their promised land!

I'm sure that Iran will give any such Wahabi Sunni aspirants a truly "warm" welcome! The Baluchis will gain their freedom,the Af-Paks will revert back-as if it does not now, to the rule oif the tribes,creating a new nation-a buffer between the debris and detritus of Pak and Afghanistan, and the Sindhis and Mohajirs can share the spolis of Sindh and the emergence of a new city-state of the battlegrounds of Karachi,the subcontinent's future,wait for it...........
Sindh-apore!

Fret little friends,blood and water will wend its way down the majestic Indus,as it has done for millenia and India will remain behind our "great fence",keeping out the barbarians and unngodly beardies and other savage species from the once know short-lived entity called Pak.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 17 Nov 2011 10:30

JEMenon Ji: I do not think we need concern ourselves about any toxic corpse of the paki. The paki houses very self centered people who have nothing but their own survival at stake. If there are any corpses, those would be of pakis who are second best at those life skills. When the paki state falls apart, what we will see is a classical "survival of the fittest" paradigm in action. All India has to do is to make sure that none of them cross into India. If they attempt to do so, they should be shot. As for those in Assam, and the other eastern states, they should be forced back into the Beedi from which they came. For too long have the Beedis lowered their population by pushing their people illegally into India. Both the pakis and the beedis should have the option to convert out of their toxic religion instead of rotting in it inside the beedi/paki zones. It will amaze mussalmans everywhere how many of their toxic coreligionists will happyly become Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, in order to escape those two islamic paradise homes. Indian religious orders should be prepared to go into those two areas and begin the process of conversion once anarchy breaks out there. And it will, driven by internal factors in the paki people, and by the forced return of muslims from India ino the beedi in the east. Populations of both zones should be expected to top 20 crore each of starving islamistic people. It is fairly simple and rudimentary - they who seperated by the sword, will be reunited by the sword.Or they will be dead. Or they will be gone.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 17 Nov 2011 10:43

About Paki toxicity. I am of the increasing opinion that before the paki starts falling apart, there will likely be a war. And the probability of we being the target is high. The rape toxicity will be export themselves to the nations whose affluence is fast eroding. Some already have from my sources.

Only wondering what role the taller than the seas, deeper than the mountains and as sweet as karela juice friends will play? The past has consisted of proliferating nuclear weapons and missiles to them, the future what further assistance? There is already emerging proof of the chins trying to amalgamate ULFA, Maoists, Naxalites and am sure JUD and LeT together.

Joseph · Post by **Joseph** » 17 Nov 2011 10:48

shiv wrote:
menon s wrote: The words "toxic corpse" is a new word, courtesy Ajai Shukla, for an old concept- that is "collapsed Pakistan" or "failed Pakistan"

Everyone fears the concept but no one has stated what is fearful about it.

What will this toxic corpse do?

For some, it may merely be the fear of the unknown as to what a collapsed Pakistan may turn out to be. They haven't worked through the possible future scenarios and thus are fearful or they have worked through future scenarios and came to different outcomes - conclusions than found here at BRF.

The situation with Pakistan isn't pleasant, but the rest of the world has concepts - policies in place for the way things are.

A failed Pakistan would force the rest of the world to make changes in their concepts - policies and many are resistant to make changes even if it would be good for them in the long run.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Nov 2011 10:56

Husain Haqqani might still survive. He is one tough cookie and more importantly he is a clever one.

The Paki army may not like him -- but it is better off with him inside the tent peeing outside than him outside the tent peeing inside. Remember that he wrote a treatise on the "Idealogies of South Asian Groups" and has given speeches (before he was roped in) on how US-Pakistan relations should be transactional to tech the value of Good behavior to Pakistan.

This might turn out to be TFTAs just trying to protect their H&D by rattling their sabres to show everyone who the boss is.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 17 Nov 2011 11:08

^ well if he gets kicked out we will get to see some good old fashioned mudslinging against the Jernails.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Nov 2011 11:24

I always felt that Husain Haqqani was one of the more dangerous men for India. The reason is that reasonable people, when they work for unreasonable people, make the unreasonable people sound good.

Paki army does not go after the bad taliban. What does Haqqani do? He convinces everyone that Paki army will do so if they feel confident vis-a-vis India. I feel that he genuinely thought that. So the US arms them to the teeth. Paki army then pissed with Haqqani for making promises "not in national interest" and trains the bad taliban even more. Haqqani goes and convinces US that Pakistan needs long term commitment of money. Then US passes the Kerry-Lugar bill and Pakis get more money. Army gets still more pissed that Haqqani has made promises and sets off a few bums in A'stan. Haqqani goes and makes the case that US should offer preferential trade to win the people of Pakistan over.

Without him, the game would have been over on step 1. Paki army is a simplistic minded, blustering, inbred.....Paki. Without the able support of the (lying and powerless) Paki diplomatic corps, Pakis would not have been able to milk the west so much. This is kinda like what is happening between India and Pak.

That is why I think that people who suggest we talk directly to Paki army have a point. Atleast they will come back appreciating the apes we are up against and stop suggesting aman ki tamashas.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Nov 2011 11:25

Shiv the dark skinned farmer classes (exposed in the aftermath of the floods) surviving on scraps of land or as share croppers on feudal lands might decide to try their luck in urban india if 2-3 devasting years of crop failure occur , the GoP doesnt do much and India starts taking in the first trickle of refugees , giving them papers and letting them loose inside our tent.

urban india is a much safer place on avg than urban pakistan (esp karachi) esp if you are shia / ahmedi / hindu and likely to be pounced upon by strong sunni militias and uncontrolled crime. LAKHS of bangladeshis have successfully integrated into the informal economies of mumbai and delhi and their kids will be part of the formal economy, their grandkids will be part of the global economy.

GOP will likely encourage such migrants to reduce pressure on itself and in the hope of causing further political and social divisions in India as the pro- and anti- factions in india fight it out over the migrant issue. Kangress will be quick to seize such tactical opportunities and manage them as a cohesive vote bank...which means tracts of govt owned land in various parts of india might be made available for them to settle in a homogenous manner.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 17 Nov 2011 12:21

Adding to the "Separate electorate" gyan, here is the latest from Pagal Sehgal

Unfortunately for some super-rich Indian businessmen, the states on India’s periphery have become akin to “low caste” ones; indeed, they do not seem to exist for them. Indian policymakers, in government and outside, must recognise that as the economic engine of growth they have a responsibility to the people of the other states that surround India.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 17 Nov 2011 12:32

Anujan wrote:
Unfortunately for some super-rich Indian businessmen, the states on India’s periphery have become akin to “low caste” ones; indeed, they do not seem to exist for them. Indian policymakers, in government and outside, must recognise that as the economic engine of growth they have a responsibility to the people of the other states that surround India.

And one of the state is having fun and wants to send terrorists. wah Wah

negi · Post by **negi** » 17 Nov 2011 12:47

Quick question is there any data on the financial gains from giving TSP the MFckN status ? I mean just wanted to see if there is a chankian twist or as usual a chootiy@ angle to it.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 17 Nov 2011 13:18

menon s wrote: ****** still has great influence , and that Dingo singh says That Pakistan army has been taken into confidence, WRT relations with India?

who is that supposed to be ?

niran · Post by **niran** » 17 Nov 2011 13:25

negi wrote:Quick question is there any data on the financial gains from giving TSP the MFckN status ? I mean just wanted to see if there is a chankian twist or as usual a chootiy@ angle to it.

no twist saar, onlee twist after few sips of rooh-afza of course is MFN or NoMFN what pukes gonna sell apart from onions, mango pickles, towels? hain? and all those are already abundant in India so who gonna buy?

negi · Post by **negi** » 17 Nov 2011 13:45

^ Boss well on those lines one can even say there is no harm in chai biskoot so lets continue on that line or for that matter it doesn't hurt to do nothing. Basically the only reasoning I have been hearing behind our foreign policy making is it doesn't hurt so why worry have curry. It appears neither the ones who do the policy making have a clue nor the ones who think that it works.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 17 Nov 2011 13:49

Actually giving MFN is not the issue and never was. India's export to Pakis is many a times that imported from them. So, India could very easily overwhelm the Pakis flooding them with Indian goods, if you see closely, Pakis are scared of that, that's why protest on Indian goods should be banned but no such restrictions for them to export their own goods.

The real issue is why does GOI relent to Paki carrots and keep on doling largesse at the criminal scums. Why doesn't GOI recognise the truth that the Pakis are against India and are at the root of terrorism and misery that befalls India now. Why not show some backbone and accept a criminal for a criminal. The day that happens a new day would come in India's foreign policy.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 17 Nov 2011 13:57

There have been talks too of Pakis turning into a rotten corpse and the stench consuming its neighborhood. I have some contrary thoughts regarding that. The Pakis, if want to convert to a zombie, who can stop them, can we or whoever can stop them by doling grants and talk of peace?? It is destined to be so. And the implications will be the Jehadis and Yahoos takeover of the nation with loose nukes, weapons etc. Well a fragmented ideology any day is better than an united Jehadi nation avowing the destruction of only India. The yahoos will be plotting destruction of entire world and so many countries would legitimately be concerned about it rather than only India having to stay on her heels 24*7. Also, not sure, the Yahoos have any kind of training or expertise to use the weapons. The PA on the other hand trains people to do so and all their thought/energy/long-term/short-term goals are India and only India specific. So let them break up and consumed in the fire of vengeance, with the Yahoo's eternal wish to avenge the world, they would only go downhill and never uphill. Also, it gives a legitimate reason for everyone to take on the Pakis, since all their acts of playing victim would no longer be applicable nor would the aid basket drama/talks of peace.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Nov 2011 14:46

I was listening to Bharat Karnad speaking at the NJ Meet, and what he said about Pakistan.

He spoke of having Pakistan as a buffer state between India and the Islamic Virus. I do agree with this assessment. His prescription is that we should make large gestures to Pakistan and co-opt them.

The major mistake we make, is that we believe we can change the mind-set in the Pakistan Establishment by showing our openness and generosity. I think co-option is in fact possible, but that is possible only when Pakistan is restructured in such a way, that its drivers change considerably and it in fact does become dependent on us.

Those drivers will not change in Pakistan's current form. We should give due where it is due. Pakistan has a certain geographic strategic importance, as the gateway to Central Asia. As long as it enjoys this advantage, it would always keep the hope that its this one advantage ensures that it can win in this centuries duel between Hindus and Muslims. That needs to change. That hope should be crushed and its anti-Indian drivers replaced by completely different issues of worry.

Pakistan needs to be broken up, so that India can play an effective game. I have no doubt that a cornered Pakjab region with or without a nuclear armed Army would be a facilitating partner for India's strategic power projection. But as long as Pakjab has access to the sea, has access to China through PoK, and control's India's access to Central Asia through Baluchistan, we cannot hope to see a change in the mentality of Pakistani Establishment.

If we manage to break up Pakistan, Pakistani (Pakjabi) Army becomes an unofficial adjunct of the Indian Army itself.

Till that happens, Bharat Karnad's prescription on Pakistan would be ineffective and can even be counter-productive. Counterproductive because we could be lulled into a feeling that 'Al ij Vell' on the Western front.

If we want to make Pakjabis into friends, we should first ensure that Pakjab loses all its Pushtun, Sindhi, Baloch, Gilgitian and Baltistani friends. Only then would Pakjab embrace India and Indian domination.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Nov 2011 15:59

Singha wrote:Shiv the dark skinned farmer classes (exposed in the aftermath of the floods) surviving on scraps of land or as share croppers on feudal lands might decide to try their luck in urban india if 2-3 devasting years of crop failure occur , the GoP doesnt do much and India starts taking in the first trickle of refugees , giving them papers and letting them loose inside our tent.

urban india is a much safer place on avg than urban pakistan (esp karachi) esp if you are shia / ahmedi / hindu and likely to be pounced upon by strong sunni militias and uncontrolled crime. LAKHS of bangladeshis have successfully integrated into the informal economies of mumbai and delhi and their kids will be part of the formal economy, their grandkids will be part of the global economy.

GOP will likely encourage such migrants to reduce pressure on itself and in the hope of causing further political and social divisions in India as the pro- and anti- factions in india fight it out over the migrant issue. Kangress will be quick to seize such tactical opportunities and manage them as a cohesive vote bank...which means tracts of govt owned land in various parts of india might be made available for them to settle in a homogenous manner.

You know what was so bad about slavery? My ancestors were slaves. Let's give Pakis some respect and make them slaves. It's all the equality-shequality business that's the problem. How can Pakis be considered equal? We are Hindus no? Bigots and all. Casteist and all. Just enslave the buggers who come in.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Nov 2011 16:08

niran wrote:
negi wrote:Quick question is there any data on the financial gains from giving TSP the MFckN status ? I mean just wanted to see if there is a chankian twist or as usual a chootiy@ angle to it.
no twist saar, onlee twist after few sips of rooh-afza of course is MFN or NoMFN what pukes gonna sell apart from onions, mango pickles, towels? hain? and all those are already abundant in India so who gonna buy?

Pakhanas are afraid of MFN because of cheaper and better quality Indian goods flooding shitland and making them dependent. Pakistan is able to export terrorism to India without barriers in an uninterrupted and uninterruptible manner due to MoFoNation status given by India.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 17 Nov 2011 16:11

the bonded labour peasants in pakistan (the haris) are literally slaves, even to this day... wonder if the roots of that practice go back to the rapenpillage days?

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 17 Nov 2011 16:19

RajeshA wrote:I was listening to Bharat Karnad speaking at the NJ Meet, and what he said about Pakistan.

He spoke of having Pakistan as a buffer state between India and the Islamic Virus. I do agree with this assessment. His prescription is that we should make large gestures to Pakistan and co-opt them.

BK doesnot realise that Pakistan is THE ISLAMIC VIRUS. There will be no buffer anymore unless Pakistanis are pushed beyond Hindukush.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Nov 2011 16:46

VikasRaina wrote:
RajeshA wrote:I was listening to Bharat Karnad speaking at the NJ Meet, and what he said about Pakistan.

He spoke of having Pakistan as a buffer state between India and the Islamic Virus. I do agree with this assessment. His prescription is that we should make large gestures to Pakistan and co-opt them.
BK doesnot realise that Pakistan is THE ISLAMIC VIRUS. There will be no buffer anymore unless Pakistanis are pushed beyond Hindukush.

Bharat Karnad is wrong if he thinks Pakistan will protect India from anything - let alone radical Islam. How much that man has fallen.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Nov 2011 17:23

Perhaps GoI and its pals are looking at Pakistan as a current buffer, and saying so. Another analogy could be that Pakistan has become a major cancer tumor, and GoI is afraid to operate it. They are selling the notion that any surgical tinkering with the tumor could mean that the cancer cells will escape and spread to the rest of the Indian Subcontinent.

I don't buy that. I think we have to create a new cancer, that kills the old anti-India cancer. Pakistaniyat is Anti-India Cancer. The operation should at a minimum include:

Break-up of Pakistan to an extent, that Pakjabiat supercedes Pakistaniyat.
Interrupting Pakistani access to quasi-monopoly over access to Central Asia, access to Sea and access to China.
Downgrading considerably Pakistani Army's fighting capacity - hardware, finances, morale.
If possible, removal of use of the "Pakistan" nomenclature.

After that, Bharat Karnad's strategic viewpoint can be given its merit.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Nov 2011 17:29

VikasRaina wrote:
RajeshA wrote:I was listening to Bharat Karnad speaking at the NJ Meet, and what he said about Pakistan.

He spoke of having Pakistan as a buffer state between India and the Islamic Virus. I do agree with this assessment. His prescription is that we should make large gestures to Pakistan and co-opt them.
BK does not realise that Pakistan is THE ISLAMIC VIRUS. There will be no buffer anymore unless Pakistanis are pushed beyond Hindukush.

Absolutely VikasRaina. The Great Game plan of these areas being a buffer to the Crown Jewel against Czarist irredentism cannot now be recast in terms of creeping Islamic extremism and terrorism.

In the events leading up to the creation of Pakistan, there were two major thought processes among Indian Muslims. The first was consolidation of 'ummah' and the second was the longing for a 'naton'. The foundation for the first stream was laid by Sirhindi, Waliullah, Ahmed Berelvi and the like. They had confused notions of a nation-state because the ummah was essentially boundaryless and was led by a Caliph. They believed in jihad to achieve their ambition. The violent termination of the last vestiges of the Mughal empire followed five decades later by the dissolution of the Ottoman Caliphate made the believers of this thinking feel naked, impotent and dispirited. The second group was represented by another set of confused people like Sir Sayyid Ahmed Khan, Mohammed Iqbal, Jinnah etc. They believed in cooperating with the colonial power to achieve their ambition, but wanted to intimidate the rest of India through violence. The bridge between these two was Abu ala al Mawdudi who though initially opposed to partition came around to the view that Pakistan, as a nation-state could be a stepping stone for attaining the Caliphate. He also subscribed to jihad, like his contemporary Syed Qutb of Egypt, though in a very subtle way.

Thus, everyone who defined modern-day Pakistan had violence, jihad, fundamentalism and extremism in their minds. This is tightly codified in the Pakistani DNA and there is no getting away from this irrespective of a Pakistani being a Ahl-e-Sunnah, Naqshbandi, Deobandi, Ahl-e-Hadith, Wahhabi etc. It is this confusion that led them to forsake their original ‘identity’ and seek new ones to justify these fake theories too. This is the Islamic virus against which we have no buffer. To borrow from Jaswant Singh, how can 'the problem' be 'the solution' ?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Nov 2011 18:09

RajeshA wrote:I was listening to Bharat Karnad speaking at the NJ Meet, and what he said about Pakistan.

He spoke of having Pakistan as a buffer state between India and the Islamic Virus. I do agree with this assessment. His prescription is that we should make large gestures to Pakistan and co-opt them.

The major mistake we make, is that we believe we can change the mind-set in the Pakistan Establishment by showing our openness and generosity. I think co-option is in fact possible, but that is possible only when Pakistan is restructured in such a way, that its drivers change considerably and it in fact does become dependent on us.

Man, oh, man, with each passing day, this Stockholm syndrome virus seems to consuming every nationalist in India. We lost BR, now BK too. I guess only GP, BC, and a few others are left. If he thinks that TSP is not the Islamic virus, specifically targeting India, he is need of some serious mental surgery. Better still, spare us his bile, lest the virus spread into unsuspecting minds. Hack thoo. ISI agents monitoring Indian movements meticulously must be laughing their arses off at the direction India is going.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 17 Nov 2011 18:16

Anujan wrote:Adding to the "Separate electorate" gyan, here is the latest from Pagal Sehgal

Unfortunately for some super-rich Indian businessmen, the states on India’s periphery have become akin to “low caste” ones; indeed, they do not seem to exist for them. Indian policymakers, in government and outside, must recognise that as the economic engine of growth they have a responsibility to the people of the other states that surround India.

The Indian economic cloudburst has become a steady rain of prosperity and has to be admired, even envied. The spontaneous hospitality of some special friends like Jamshyd and Pheroza Godrej, Saurav Adhikari, Ajit Gulabchand, the Nandas, etc., was overwhelming. However, the negative rhetoric about the Pakistani army and the ISI is clearly ill-informed and incorrect, and thus unpalatable. BBC’s report about the “ISI training the Taliban” was often thrown at me. They had no answer when I gently informed them that the so-called Taliban leader had claimed that the ISI’s trainers came in ISI uniforms while members of no intelligence agency in the world wore uniforms. Maybe Pierre Cardin designs ISI uniforms, and the next thing you know we may have “designer” explosives!

As one of those who strongly believe that with certain caveats India must have MFN status, this rhetoric rankles. No partnership can sustain such constant negative rhetoric. South Asia is going nowhere without ultimately having one economy and one currency, the political preferences of each constituent has to be respected or otherwise there can be no deal. While rich Indians are certainly living in a different orbit, if not planet, than ours, a vast majority of Indians live in conditions as bad, or worse, than ours. Only with a truly South Asian Common Market is poverty alleviation possible for the vast mass of the desperately poor in the subcontinent, an overwhelming percentage of whom are Indians. Unfortunately for some super-rich Indian businessmen, the states on India’s periphery have become akin to “low caste” ones; indeed, they do not seem to exist for them. Indian policymakers, in government and outside, must recognise that as the economic engine of growth they have a responsibility to the people of the other states that surround India.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 17 Nov 2011 18:17

Unfortunately, the world goes by outside appearances. How easily people take the rag-tag talibans and yahoo mullahs as Islamic Virus whereas they get so easily fooled by the chic and dandy appearances of the puppet masters who control those bunnies/yahoos. If you look at the Paki generals/rulers/upper strata, they are always well dressed with designer clothes on, always ready to throw a party or unveil a new statue etc etc. People think such civilized high society people can't be hand in gloves with the rag-tag jehadis, afterall they have nothing in common looking from outside. So they go gaga and buy the stuff which the Pakis sell. But the reality is overlooked, that the Paki rulers/upper class are the real drivers behind all these Islamic Virus which people are so concerned about.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Nov 2011 18:26

vijayk wrote:
Anujan wrote:Adding to the "Separate electorate" gyan, here is the latest from Pagal Sehgal

South Asia is going nowhere without ultimately having one economy and one currency, the political preferences of each constituent has to be respected or otherwise there can be no deal. While rich Indians are certainly living in a different orbit, if not planet, than ours, a vast majority of Indians live in conditions as bad, or worse, than ours. Only with a truly South Asian Common Market is poverty alleviation possible for the vast mass of the desperately poor in the subcontinent, an overwhelming percentage of whom are Indians. Unfortunately for some super-rich Indian businessmen, the states on India’s periphery have become akin to “low caste” ones; indeed, they do not seem to exist for them. Indian policymakers, in government and outside, must recognise that as the economic engine of growth they have a responsibility to the people of the other states that surround India.

This guy has certainly been reading how Germany is trying to save Greece's ass even though Greece lived way beyond its capacity to afford.

The Euro experiment has shown that one cannot have a country like Pakistan sharing a currency with India.

Secondly we have absolutely no responsibility towards Pakistan. Pakistan is welcome to rot. India only has responsibilities towards our friends, friends like Bhutan.

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 17 Nov 2011 18:34

I have an observation to make with regard to the dealing with Bakistan

We generally negotiate irreversible changes for reversible ones.
Latest example of this being the EU GSP+ issue.
Once we have said that we do not have any objections to an EU deal, we cannot go back and say we object to the deal. We are negotiating that with the MFN status which we know is reversible. Given in 47 withdrawn in 65. Agreed that the deal is supposed to be for limited time, but if Bakistan suffers floods every year, it would need to be extended to give the "poor" people of the country a lifeline (Logic that would be used by the EU)

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 Nov 2011 18:38

Pakis can never die of starvation when there is enough green grass to eat. So please don't beg for help from India.

Upendra · Post by **Upendra** » 17 Nov 2011 18:49

inbred porkis add the word Jesus Christ to list of banned words which are henceforth gonna be censored by law, saale behenchods

Upendra · Post by **Upendra** » 17 Nov 2011 19:11

shiv wrote:We have no idea of the huge numbers of totally poor, totally illiterate people in Pakistan, whose views of the world are hidden by Pakistan's propaganda apparatus.

Of course we know, poor illiterate porki ajmal amir kasab who first planned to become a thief to loot the rich in pakistan soon found that going to india to kill kafirs was more worthwhile. The wealth on earth is transient while the wealth promised by his religion in heaven for killing kafirs was eternal.

shiv wrote:With 40% Pakis under 20 years and 25% under 14 years - we have about 45 million Pakis who have had very little "active education" and we don't know how far any indoctrination may have gone. The other thing is that the "poor" of Pakistan are likely to be like the poor anywhere else. They may blame poverty on someone or something, but their main focus is the next meal.

As reports have indicated most indoctrination take places in homes at hands of parents teaching their kids how to be pious like them to gain place in heaven. Only the person who kills kafirs or gets killed by a kafir gets a place in heaven. no doubt their main focus is food now but when they encounter a golden chance to gain place in heaven they wont hesitate to relieve the kafir of his head.

Upendra · Post by **Upendra** » 17 Nov 2011 19:21

vijayk wrote:
The spontaneous hospitality of some special friends like Jamshyd and Pheroza Godrej, Saurav Adhikari, Ajit Gulabchand, the Nandas, etc., was overwhelming.

So the pseudo seculars still haven't learnt from dawood gilani-david headley betrayal. These porki friends of yours use your hospitality to recce the city and plan for future attacks. Please for god's sake learn to use your brains and stop hosting such terrorists, if not the public may react with unrestrained rage and take regrettable actions against your treachery towards them.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Nov 2011 19:32

In the American media, a certain picture of Pakistan is being pushed, either by design or by similar thinking. In the new issue of "Generation Hope", a Marvel title, there were a few pages on Pakistan, as the Mutant team led by Hope Summers lands in Pakistan in search for somebody. Check page 18 with the joke on goats. The writer is James Asmus. Not even a SDRE! Then there is the thing about danger zone and suicide bombings!

Comic Link

The new generation of Americans are slowly getting the treat.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Nov 2011 20:38

RajeshA wrote:In the American media, a certain picture of Pakistan is being pushed, either by design or by similar thinking. In the new issue of "Generation Hope", a Marvel title, there were a few pages on Pakistan, as the Mutant team led by Hope Summers lands in Pakistan in search for somebody. Check page 18 with the joke on goats. The writer is James Asmus. Not even a SDRE! Then there is the thing about danger zone and suicide bombings!

Comic Link

The new generation of Americans are slowly getting the treat.

The link is dead for me.

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 17 Nov 2011 21:03

Is a Palace Coup Unfolding in Pakistan?