I for one did not claim US will not allow permission, I merely stating that they claim some critical parts do come from the US and will require clearances. The DTSA analysis claims sensi radar components, safety systems and targeting systems coming from the US and voila the same things being listed as being supplied by US vendors in the airframer list I provide.
I have provided a decent source listing the parts supplied from various vendors including parts coming from the US vendors. For dassault to claim pure 100% independence is the same as the gripen marketing bs. Even the above marketing poster seems bs, they don't make the aircraft nose to tail, the ejection seat is british...according to airframer which is reliable source, lots of parts including sensi parts for Spectra come ffrom the US. EF too has many US made parts atleast they do not go around lying about 100% independence. According to airframer even the OSF comes from UK, so much for the Rafale's 100% in dependence. Give me another source with a list of suppliers and we will see if Raffy is as independent as Dassault and arthuro claim it to be.
http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detai ... ult_Rafale
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Please arthuro I for one have no need to feel embarassed, Dassault' track record for Raffy is embarassing, the supossedly great aircraft, has no sales yet. why lie about dependence, having parts coming other countries isn't a bad thing and dassault shouldn't claim 100% independence. The aircraft has its own advantages, range and payload for one however, EF has many more advantages being higher altitude cieling, higher top speed, supercruise, tvc, bigger and far better radar, better g-suits, equally good pilot interfaces and far better industrial prospects.
That said, I hardly have anything against the french, I enjoy french wine, women and croissants, I love paris been there many times. I wish I did work for EF consortium or even dassault may be I can do a better job selling the Raffy. I am strongly opinionated. Jai Butt sahab, my personal agenda is entertainment. I have no vested interests in this deal, I assure you, my opinion hardly matters or will hardly have any affect on any one. I hardly think IAF or MOD will base their decision on what I have to say while I have had a far too many glasses of french red wine this afternoon. MOD/IAF will go for what they seem is the right aircraft and I for one always support what the IAF wants. If IAF wants rafale so be it. not every one who comes here is a paid agent sir ji. Even though arthuro seems like paid dassault agent sometimes, I know he too just a Raffy lover. I can understand, she sure is a beauty. Just not the right beauty to woo IAF's heart IMO.
Go EF.