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In India, while a politician may say anything like “zero loss" in 2G scam and it can be glossed over, a diplomat or a bureaucrat’s word is given far more credence. Hence, it was extremely difficult to believe one’s ears listening to the debate on the age row issue between 8.30 pm and 9.00 pm on 3rd February 2012 on CNN-IBN when an ex diplomat revealed that the series of trashy articles in the Chandigarh paper had been authorized by the PM. If this was a slip of tongue then it was one hell of a slip, but the moot point is that when this was referred to in the same debate by another speaker, the ex diplomat made no move to change his statement. If it is true, then this would surely go down as another landmark in the history of ‘Incredible India’— PMO covertly authorizing a diatribe against the country’s own Army Chief concurrent to the law minister lauding him as ‘outstanding’, as the official government line.
About four , five years ago , BRF discussed the issue of politicians undermining the national security institutions. Those apprehensions are coming true now . This is the last stage before loosing control on Foreign policy and beginning of Philipinization of India and not Japan or Korea.
My God! After so much time, only a small link connecting this case with politicians emerged merely as slip of the tongue!
Oh God! When you are going to show mercy to expose the complete truth behind this!
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Jaybhatt wrote:Attorney General Goolam Vahanvati, who played a highly controversial and key role in the DOB controversy of the Army Chief, is in the news again.
TEHELKA, which is generally on the same side as the current ruling apparatus, has done a detailed report on the questionable record of the AG in the 2G affair.
This is very interesting, since it consolidates a lot of information in one place.
P.S. Made a blunder yesterday by pressing the wrong button and posting this as a new topic. Forum Moderator graciously told me that I should post it here, so that my fellow BR members can have an insight into the background of the Chief's DOB controversy.
shyamd wrote:FORCES ON STANDBY FOR OPERATIONS IN MALDIVES. 54TH DIVISION WILL LEAD THE OPERATIONS.
2IL 76 AND SF COMMANDO TEAM ON STANDBY
what happened to hyped C130J for SF.. may not be range issues, maldives is just 30-40 min from SAC..
trivandrum has a sizable maldive population(~10k) who come here for treatment and business and a local news paper reported a lot of activities happening for last 2-3 days.. the consulate here is also in dilemma on whom to support..
coincidentally the lead elements of 54ID may also be from trivandrum.. spying made easy for all sides:)
What if is always tinged with personal viewpoints.
Item 6 - (Some in) Sikh population was alienated by the Army entering but not by fundamentalists desecrating the holy precincts? Those who would be alienated will find other reasons to be alienated.
Item 11 - IPKF/Rajiv Gandhi had brokered an agreement. It was good for the Tamils. It was the oaf Pirbhakaran who caused the death and mayhem. Finallyhiding behind 'human shields' and trying to run away instead of taking cyanide.
shyamd wrote:FORCES ON STANDBY FOR OPERATIONS IN MALDIVES. 54TH DIVISION WILL LEAD THE OPERATIONS.
2IL 76 AND SF COMMANDO TEAM ON STANDBY
what happened to hyped C130J for SF.. may not be range issues, maldives is just 30-40 min from SAC..
trivandrum has a sizable maldive population(~10k) who come here for treatment and business and a local news paper reported a lot of activities happening for last 2-3 days.. the consulate here is also in dilemma on whom to support..
coincidentally the lead elements of 54ID may also be from trivandrum.. spying made easy for all sides:)
The IL-76s are for evacuation of Indian population - if need be.
It's a classic coup and it's too late to do much.
The ousted prez aide stated that they had requested Indian military to intervene. (check BBC)
BTW, for what it is worth, as a data point, the US has recognized the new government.
Yup. India playing neutral is always seen as a green light. And this isn't new, discussions have been going on for weeks ans months. I am sure India and SL would have been aware. No coup is possible without the backing of forces capable of intervention - India US SL in this case.
If any mobilization happens, the Trivandrum based amphib. brigade (part of 54ID) should come into play. Also, it will be interesting to see from where the 54ID elements are airlifted. It is exactly for situations like these that we need to have an airmobile Bde. sized Rapid Reaction Force available...apart from the 50(I) Para Bde.
rohitvats wrote:If any mobilization happens, the Trivandrum based amphib. brigade (part of 54ID) should come into play. Also, it will be interesting to see from where the 54ID elements are airlifted. It is exactly for situations like these that we need to have an airmobile Bde. sized Rapid Reaction Force available...apart from the 50(I) Para Bde.
I could see a lot of smoking turbo prop(AN32??) action in trivandrum for last few days.. normally SAC is striped of these assets.. along with SAC and SNC and an operational port(Vizhinjam) in vicinity, trivandrum could be the launch pad for action wrt maldives, srilanka etc.. all these places are ~200 km.. and for these countries the water route may be the best option also.. i heard that pre-ltte time college students used to go to colombo in boats for their 'study' tours..
Indications are that the SC may not interfere in Army Chief Age Scam. Will leave it to Govt and VKS. If VKS has a powerful enough weapon in his armoury this is the time to use it. Alas..
Regarding NDTV, when watching don't forget their owners are sister and Brother in Law of Brinda Karat, and chief editor is the wife of Minister for State for Corporate affairs. With such linkages they can hardly ever even dream of being neutral.
Nope. The govt has already decided that they will appoint Bikram Singh. Seniority cum merit is the criteria, not seniority alone. They dont have to appoint Ghosh.
Govt has withdrawn its order on Statutory complaint of VKS. So naturally the petition would not stand. So Govt has to relook and pass another order rectifying lacunae pointed out in SC observation. The option to withdraw or pass order( not admitting the petition on grounds of being infructuous) is quite logical. The Govt needs to rethink if it would like to proceed with 1951 ot 1950. VKS has to decide to press with Statutory complaint or to resign. The resignation itself would be a big blot to UPA-II.
What g@@ndugiri ; don't the jokers in SC know that age of a person is one of the key attributes that identify an individual in a real world ? HTF is the case bereft of merits ?
Ten years of this government have driven us into the ground. These have possibly been the worst ten years this nation has ever had. If a fifth column was running this nation, they couldnt have done better.
And this whole controversy was brought about by previous army chiefs themselves. Aack thoo!
negi wrote:What g@@ndugiri ; don't the jokers in SC know that age of a person is one of the key attributes that identify an individual in a real world ? HTF is the case bereft of merits ?
What is so hard to digest? The case has been through a fair trial. The SC has passed observations against both the Govt and the General. Its very unsavory of you to pass these remarks against the SC.
The Army Chief and Government was given a fair chance to put their pov in front of SC and it seems finally SC has given the verdict and it is Just and Fair.
The matter has been resolved Amicably and Gracefully by the court.
A Red letter Day and a Judgment that would have its echo for long time to come. My Respect to SC.
Not sure what is so red letter day about it. The court delivers far more momentous judgements every day. Just another day for the SC.
@Austin: The court has not actually delivered any judgement, as you are claiming, btw. The court has Simply said that the matter is disposed, because the petitioner has not pressed it further. It has made no comment finally on the merits of the matter.
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Austin wrote:The Army Chief and Government was given a fair chance to put their pov in front of SC and it seems finally SC has given the verdict and it is Just and Fair.
The matter has been resolved Amicably and Gracefully by the court.
A Red letter Day and a Judgment that would have its echo for long time to come. My Respect to SC.
1 now is also the time for the entire top brass to introspect as well...
Extremely dubious judgment, one must say. How can the court say that the UPSC record based on an erroneously filled form has more weight than either the birth certificate or the SSC certificate.
