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Gaur wrote:
Dmurphy wrote:
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Darth Vader! :mrgreen:

Please don't kill me gurus.
Which PDW is the soldier holding? Looks somewhat like MSMC but not totally so.
X-95 aka Micro Tavor aka Zittara
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^^
Thanks. Strangely, it looks much smaller in this pic to me than the microtavors being held by COBRA personnel in Al-Jazeera documentry. This is why I had thought it to be a Personal Defence Weapon.
But now that you mention it, its certainly X-95.
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Anyone have an idea when the follow on order for the Tars is signed post the initial 3k we got?
Or are these the indigenously produced weapons?
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Initial TAR orders ofr SF have been fulfilled and follow on orders for SF have also been completed. The Marcos have placed orders for 1500 and received initial batches of the TAR as have the CRPF for 12000 of the MTAR/X-95/Zittara
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Good job, keep it up guys !
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Another landmine blast in Naxal areas; totally destroys the MPV.

Size of the crater indicates the sheer size of the explosive. How come such a large mine planted in the first place? MPVs are not a solution, they can only mitigate the risk of injury to the troops.

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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/naxal ... ns/902530/

http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/three-cr ... 23974.html
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Aditya G wrote:Another landmine blast in Naxal areas; totally destroys the MPV.

Size of the crater indicates the sheer size of the explosive. How come such a large mine planted in the first place? MPVs are not a solution, they can only mitigate the risk of injury to the troops.
I suspect that the explosives were put into a culvert. I think the MPV was crossing a dried up small river bed. MPV's are not the solution but they are better than nothing.The only solution is good governance in tandem with 'encounters'.
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How do the Maoists get hold of so much explosives and expertise to use them, suspect mining mafia must be diverting some explosives and Trainign to them.
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^^ As per deccan herald, the MPV got blown but most of folks inside survived. The Maoists then swarmed onto the wreckage, shot the survivors and set fire to the MPV ( and threw 2 surviving constables into the burning wreckage)
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The Maoists regularly raid mines to grab explosives. One such attack happened in an EMTA mine in JKD a few weeks ago. They had got hold of hundreds of kilos of explosives in two raids in Orissa in 2009-10.
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pmund wrote:The Maoists regularly raid mines to grab explosives. One such attack happened in an EMTA mine in JKD a few weeks ago. They had got hold of hundreds of kilos of explosives in two raids in Orissa in 2009-10.
And how do they transport, store them and above have training to use these. clearly these are not just starving tribals as many in media would like us to belive.
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Starving tribals!! Many of the foot soldiers were once starving tribals, yes, but a TOI report once pegged the Maoists' 'turnover' at Rs 1,500 cr!! That's as good as a corporate major. All this talk of Maoists being 'idealists' is BUNKUM
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Aditya_V wrote:
pmund wrote:The Maoists regularly raid mines to grab explosives. One such attack happened in an EMTA mine in JKD a few weeks ago. They had got hold of hundreds of kilos of explosives in two raids in Orissa in 2009-10.
And how do they transport, store them and above have training to use these. clearly these are not just starving tribals as many in media would like us to belive.
in trucks what else?? You think those who can threaten mine owners cant threaten lorry owners?

There was a case where some 50 trucks of explosives went missing.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/madhy ... sing-44044
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Definitely the Maoists( atleast the handlers) are anything but "poor/starving tribals":

Rights groups fronting for Maoists, says IB
Indian intelligence agencies have suggested that the Union government take steps to limit activities of leading human rights organisations.

In their advice to the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA), the agencies have alleged that some rights organisations are “actively helping spread the Maoist ideology.”

Sources in MHA told Deccan Herald that the intelligence agencies are of the opinion that charges can be framed against “rights organisations” for “aiding and abetting a criminal conspiracy.” The sources, however, refused to name the organisations.

The agencies have submitted to the ministry names of individuals and five or six individuals and rights organisations, who, in their view, are closely associated with the Maoists. The rights groups were “practically functioning as front organisations” of Maoists, sources claimed.

According sources, the Intelligence Bureau reported to the ministry that the activities had increased in the past few years. Their spurt has been at the all-India level and not been only limited to rights’ issues during the period, the IB is reported to have said.

The activities of rights groups raising issues of illegal detentions, custodial tortures and death, and fake encounters have extended their reach to those areas which help spread Maoists ideology, intelligence agencies preparing a fresh dossier on the issue said.

According to sources, rights organisations have been under scanner for quite some time now. The IB has prepared a database of individuals and organisations. The database has been submitted to the Home Ministry.

The IB data base has some known names, which, according to the intelligence agency, not only helped “the ideological spread to spread but also functioning as the points persons for Maoists”. This allegation is similar to that been made against noted rights activist Binayak Sen in Chhattisgarh.

The agency has also claimed that some “credible” rights organisations have been infiltrated by Maoists’ sympathisers and being driven towards a different goal.

The intelligence agencies are also investigating “funding pattern” of some NGOs that are actively taking up rights issues.
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pictures sent by Kunal Verma

The shot is taken from the position taken by Navdeep. In pitch dark conditions the dozen or so armed infiltrators moved up along the waters edge. The first three or four chaps were allowed to pass before Navdeep and his boys opened fire.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/82 ... eep03.jpg/

The shot is taken from the position taken by Navdeep. In pitch dark conditions the dozen or so armed infiltrators moved up along the waters edge. The first three or four chaps were allowed to pass before Navdeep and his boys opened fire.


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/19 ... eep02.jpg/

The spot where the infiltrators came across the Kishenganga using a rubber dingy. Beyond the bend lies POK and the river across the border is known as the Neelam.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40 ... ep01a.jpg/

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http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 832285.ece
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Marut wrote:Initial TAR orders ofr SF have been fulfilled and follow on orders for SF have also been completed. The Marcos have placed orders for 1500 and received initial batches of the TAR as have the CRPF for 12000 of the MTAR/X-95/Zittara

The reasons for massive purchase of small arms by Para military like 5.56 mm Tavor, 9mm beretta, Mp5s for around Rs. 350-500 crores seem dubious. Folding stock INSAS with indigenous holographic sight would have done the job at 1/5th the cost. The R&D cost for INSAS was Rs 5 crores and even now the R&D cost for a new rifle is around US$ 2 to 10 million depending on the nation and design.
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2011 assessment by SATP. Posting in full:

http://satp.org/satporgtp/sair/index.htm
J&K: A Tentative Peace
Ajit Kumar Singh
Research Fellow, Institute for Conflict Management

The steep and continuous decline in terrorist violence in Jammu & Kashmir (J&K) continued through 2011, bringing fatalities to a new and dramatic low. 2010 had been described as the “most peaceful year” in over two decades of insurgency in the State, with 375 terrorism-related fatalities. 2011 witnessed a further consolidation, with just 183 killed in the State. Crucially, despite continuous efforts by the separatist constituency in State to replicate the militant-backed summer unrest of 2010, street demonstrations and violence failed to secure significant traction through 2011.

34 civilians, 30 Security Forces (SFs), and 119 terrorist fatalities were recorded in 2011, down from 36 civilians, 69 SF personnel and 270 terrorists in 2010. Terrorism related incidents, at 189 in 2011, dropped to just over a third of their number in 2010 (488).

Jammu and Kashmir: Key Indicators - 2006-2012*
Years Incidents** Civilian Fatalities SF Fatalities Terrorist Fatalities Total Fatalities Explosions Infiltration Attempts**
2006 1667 349 168 599 1116 215 573
2007 1092 164 121 492 777 109 535
2008 708 69 90 382 541 43 342
2009 499 55 78 242 375 13 485
2010 488 36 69 270 375 36 489
2011 189 34 30 119 183 42 NA
2012* NA 4 0 3 7 2 NA

Source: SATP, *Data till February 19, 2012
** Source: State Home Ministry

Significantly, by end of 2011, at least seven Districts in the State had been declared completely free of militancy. These included Leh and Kargil, which had never seen significant militancy, as well as Jammu, Samba, Kathua, Reasi and Doda. 13 Districts, according to the State Home Ministry, had reported militancy related incidents ‘in single digits’: Budgam, Kulgam, Anantnag, Shopian, Ganderbal, Bandipora, Kishtwar, Ramban, Doda, Poonch, Rajouri, Udhampur and Jammu (Jammu recorded just one incident in the year, though it had been declared militancy free). This left just four Districts with double-digit incidence of insurgency: Srinagar, Baramulla, Kupwara and Pulwama. Sopore, in the Baramulla District, remained the terrorist-extremist heartland, as one intelligence officer noted in June 2011, “The day support for militancy ends here, it’s finished. Sopore is the key.” As if to underline this reality, in the first terrorist attack in 2012, on January 7, terrorists launched coordinated attacks on the Sopore Police Station, killing one civilian. Three civilians, three SF troopers and one militant were also injured in the attack. In January 2012, the Union Ministry of Home Affairs asked the State Government to take measures to free more Districts from militancy through 2012.

The sharp decline in militant fatalities was substantially a consequence of an increasing reluctance on their part to engage with the SFs, heightened sharply by the continuous loss of leadership. Among top militants killed in 2011 were: Lashkar-e-Toiba’s (LeT) ‘operational commander’ for North Kashmir Abdullah Uni; LeT ‘divisional commander’ Abdul Rehman alias Rehman Bhai, who had been nominated as ‘operational commander’ of LeT (North Kashmir) after the death of Abdullah Uni; Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM) ‘divisional commander’ Qari Zubair; Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) ‘commander’ Ahsan Bhai; LeT Kishtwar ‘chief’ Habib Gujjar alias Salman; JeM ‘commander-in-chief’ Sajjad Afghani alias Qari Hamaad, LeT ‘divisional commander’ Mohammad Aiyaz Malik alias Abu Moosa.

The SFs also arrested 166 militants and made recoveries of arms, ammunitions and other materials on at least 115 occasions through 2011. State Government data indicated that 19 militants had surrendered in 2011 (till November) as compared to 20 in 2010. A total of 4,080 terrorists, including 276 ‘commanders’, had surrendered over the past 22 years. The State Government had also received some 800 applications in response to its November 23, 2010, surrender and rehabilitation policy, which was intended to facilitate the return of its estimated 3000 to 3500 youth who had crossed over into Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) and Pakistan, for training, but had now given up the idea of joining the militancy, and sought an opportunity to the State. However, on July 6, 2011, Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram had acknowledged that there were “practical issues” in implementing the rehabilitation policy for militants.

Despite isolated pools of continuing, low grade violence, the improved security scenario led to a huge rush of tourists into the State, with 2011 recording an estimated one million visitors, significantly outstripping the pre-militancy record of 700,000. Tourism Minister Nawang Rigzin Jora observed, “In the history of Kashmir, we have not witnessed so many tourists.”

Increasing electoral participation has also provided grounds for further encouragement. The 2002 Assembly Elections had recorded a 43.7 per cent voter turnout, despite enveloping terrorist threats and calls for boycott. By 2008, participation in the Assembly Elections had risen to 63 per cent of registered voters. The 2011 Panchayat (village local self-government institutions) Elections recorded a 79 per cent voter turnout. Elections to various Corporations and Urban Committees in the State are due to be held in March 2012.

Nevertheless, areas of profound concern persist.

Sporadic terrorist violence continued, with strong indications that the terrorists were being directed by their handlers in Pakistan to kill more political, religious and dissenting separatist leaders. Four politicians were killed in eight attacks on politicians across the State through 2011. These included the April 8, 2011, killing of the Wahabi cleric Maulana Showkat Shah. The terrorists also threatened to continue such attacks against mainstream political parties. An August 27, 2011, report noted that Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) chief Yasin Malik had been identified as the ‘next target’ for assassination by LeT in Kashmir. Again, on January 29, 2012, SFs neutralized a LeT module in the Pattan area of Baramulla District, which had been tasked to target South Kashmir's Sufi scholar Maulana Abdul Rashid Dawoodi.

An estimated 350 to 370 militants were still believed to be operating in the State. Union Minister of State for Home, Jitendra Singh, in a written reply in the Lok Sabha (Lower House of Parliament), on September 6, 2011, stated that “about 350-370 (militants) are assessed to be operating in Jammu and Kashmir. Out of which approximately 38 per cent are foreign militants, primarily Pakistani." Reports also indicate that militants continued to work towards recruiting local youth in certain areas of the State.

Camps in PoK and Pakistan were also believed to have between 2,000 and 2,500 terrorists, according to Army sources. Reports indicated that 900 to 1,000 militants were in readiness to cross over into J&K from PoK, up from an estimated 500 to 600 militants in October 2010.

Despite a ‘multi-pronged approach’ to contain border infiltration, which included, inter alia, strengthening of border management and multi-tiered and multi-modal deployment along international borders/ LoC and infiltration routes, construction of border fencing, improved technology, weapons and equipment for SFs, a total of 235 Pakistan-based terrorists attempted to infiltrate in 2011 (till November 30) in at least 85 infiltration bids. This figure was, however, significantly lower than the 495 militants who attempted to infiltrate in 2010; 480 in 2009; and 342 in 2008.

Regrettably, Pakistan continued to violate the Cease-fire Agreement (CFA) of November 26, 2003, which had held without major incident till General Pervez Musharraf’s departure in 2008. According to the Government data, 198 cease-fire violations have been reported along the Line of Control (LoC), of which 77 were in 2008; 28 in 2009; 44 in 2010; and 45 between January and November 2011. The violations are ordinarily initiated by Pakistani Forces to facilitate terrorist infiltration across the border and LoC.

Terror funding also continued to flow into J&K. Disclosures of arrestees revealed linkages between cross-LoC traders, Pakistan-based militant ‘commanders’ and the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Meanwhile, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) has disclosed that the HM-backed and PoK-based Jammu and Kashmir Affectees Relief Fund Trust (JKART) had been funding terror in J&K. Investigators allege that JKART had pumped more than INR 800 million into the Valley in the name of relief and rehabilitation work, but diverted this amount to finance terror. Further, security agencies had arrested 98 persons and seized INR 12.3 million since 2009, as part of their efforts to check the flow of hawala (illegally transferred) money into J&K for funding secessionism and militancy, the State Government informed the Legislative Assembly on September 27, 2011. 17 persons had been arrested in this connection in 2011, till July, and INR 3.61 million had been recovered from them. This compared to 15 arrests and nearly INR 1 million recovered in 2010. Notably, a Delhi court, on February 18, 2012, framed charges against Ghulam Muhammad Bhat, said to be a close associate of All Party Hurriyat Conference-Geelani (APHC-G) leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani, and others, in an alleged hawala racket. In its charge sheet filed on August 2011, the NIA alleged that Bhat collected over INR 45.7 million over three years, commencing January 2008, through hawala channels for terrorist activities. Bhat was arrested from Kashmir in January 2011 by a joint team of the Delhi and J&K Police, and INR 2.1 million was recovered from him.

Crucially, sustained separatist efforts to engineer an Intifada-type movement – street mobilization backed by calibrated terrorist violence – continued, though with little success, despite apprehensions of a recurrence of the summer of 2010. There is, however, a latent residual danger here. Indeed, before the escalation of 2010, years 2009 and 2008, had recorded 250 and 350 stone pelting incidents, respectively. With the escalation of 2010, this number had increased, abruptly, to 2,213 incidents, with 112 civilians and one Policemen killed in the troubles, and another 1,049 civilians and over 4,000 SF personnel injured. According to sources, some 369 incidents of stone pelting were recorded in 2011. Authorities insist that a major flare-up was averted as a result of improved responses on their part. One unnamed Police official asserted, "Use of non-lethal equipment and body protectors by Police have resulted in zero death of civilian or security personnel and injuries to only 58 persons in law and order disturbances this year [2011]. The arrest of more than 5,255 stone pelters, between January 1, 2010, and February 28, 2011, also worked as a deterrent. However, in a surprising move on August 28, 2011, Chief Minister (CM) Omar Abdullah announced an amnesty package for nearly 1,200 youth arrested during the 2010 summer agitation in the Valley. While the unrest in the past may have substantially been the result of the Government's ‘mishandling’, there is reason to believe that public exhaustion and disillusionment with the separatist agenda has also contributed to the failure of the protests to secure wider traction. Nevertheless, three major protests have already been reported from the State in 2012, with one civilian killed so far.

Amidst these concerns, the premature demands and proposals for further troop cuts and the withdrawal of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) raised temperatures in the Valley. Despite the withdrawal of 10 battalions of Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) and nearly 30 battalions of the Indian Army from the State in 2009, demands for the further dilution of Force were raised stridently through the year, both by separatists and by the mainstream political parties. The State Government has also sought a more structured phased removal of Central Paramilitary Forces (CPMFs) from the State. On January 1, 2012, official sources stated, “In the first phase, the Government has asked for sanction for raising five Police battalions comprising 5,000 Police personnel. However, as a long term measure, the State has sought the creation of a total of 50 Police battalions to gradually replace paramilitary and security personnel with the Police Force.”

Similarly, despite the Army’s opposition to the withdrawal of AFSPA on the grounds that this could result in the "emergence of terror sanctuaries and safe havens", Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, on several occasions, reiterated the separatist and popular demand for partial removal of AFSPA. Those opposing AFSPA allege that it has been misused by the SFs. In what can only be an embarrassing response, Defence Minister A.K. Antony disclosed in Parliament, on December 20, 2011, “24 cases seeking sanction for prosecution under AFSPA have been received from Jammu and Kashmir Home Department during the last five years, from 2007 to December 15 this year. In 19 cases, the requests for prosecution sanction were rejected, as it was found on examination that no prima facie case was made out against the accused Army personnel. Five cases were still under examination.” Meanwhile, the Valley-based Association of Parents of Disappeared Persons (APDP), admitted that militants were responsible for more enforced disappearances than the SFs. It claimed that, of the 132 cases it had documented, militant groups were responsible for 24 cases of enforced disappearances compared to 22 by the SFs, including the Police (the remaining cases remained indeterminate).

In the meanwhile, the Centre’s 2010 initiative to appoint three Interlocutors on Kashmir ended a damp squib, with a pro forma report submitted to the Minister of Home Affairs, on October 12, 2011. This is yet to be placed before the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) in toto.

The State Cabinet, on October 28, 2011, approved amendments to the Public Safety Act (PSA). One of the major amendments reduced the detention period of one year to three months in cases where the accused was arrested for disturbing public order. The amendments also included a provision prohibiting the detention of a minor under the PSA.

J&K is at crossroad. Though these measures, in addition to several others, have helped in improving the situation, any slackness on the part of State Government as well as New Delhi to fulfill their political goals will devoid the State of an opportunity to return to permanent peace sooner than later.

Dramatic and continuous improvements have, no doubt, been registered in the security environment in the terror-wracked State of J&K over the past years. Nevertheless, residual dangers continue to exist, seeking an opportunity to re-open the wide wounds inflicted over 23 years of terrorism. Processes of radicalization, and well funded programmes for the expansion of Salafi Islamist ideologies and institutions, continue across the Valley, suggesting the possibility of a future conflagration. Worse, the entire political spectrum in the Valley ranges from soft, through hard, to militant separatism. Systematic distortions continue to undermine democratic legitimacy and frameworks, discount and discredit elected leaderships, privilege violence, and appease the most intractable constituencies in the State. Across the border, while the impetus of support to terrorism has waned due to strategic pulls and pressures, the intent remains unchanged, and a destabilizing shift in the enveloping geo-political environment – particularly as a result of a premature withdrawal of Western Forces from Afghanistan – could easily destroy the tentative, hard-won, and still imperfect peace in J&K.

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http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/web1/12feb22/news1.htm#3
rinagar, Feb 21: Security forces tonight achieved a major success in North Kashmir's restive Sopore town by killing a top Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) commander in a fierce encounter in which an Army personnel was also injured.

SP Sopore, Imtiaz Hussain, told Excelsior that the LeT commander identified as Ukasha Badar was operating in Sopore for last several years. Hailing from Multan area in Pakistan , Badar was deputy of Abdullah Uni, the most wanted LeT commander of Kashmir valley, who was killed by Sopore police in September last year, he added.

The SP said that at around 1 pm security forces received information about the presence of the top LeT commander in the house of one Mehrajudin Najjar in Momin Abad locality of Sopore Bypass.

The SP said that 22 Rashtriya Rifles and Police launched a joint operation at around 2 p m. SP said that the area was sealed adding that the cordon was being laid and they were fired upon resulting in the injuries to one Army personnel.

The injured Army personnel has been identified as Karam Veer. He was removed to hospital for treatment where his condition was said to be critical.

Eyewitnesses said that security forces fired from heavy weapons towards the three storeyed house of Najjar. The house was raised to rubble by the security forces during which the commander was killed.

The Fire and Emergency Service were called in to extinguish the fire as the house caught fire during the encounter. The fire tenders prevented the fire from engulfing the other buildings.

Police and security forces were searching for the body of the militant in the debris of the house till late tonight.

...

Sopore is thought to be hot bed of militants and despite the elimination of the top commanders of LeT and Hizbul Mujahideen during past several years, the militancy in Sopore does not seem to die down.

Muzaffar Ahmad alias Muzza Molvi, a local militant from Sopore, and Badar were commanding the LeT after the killing of Abdullah Uni. Muzza Molvi is now the most wanted commander in Sopore.

Meanwhile, security forces busted a militant hideout in South Kashmir district of Anantnag today and recovered huge cache of arms and ammunition.

Police said that working on a tip-off, Anantang Police along with 36 Rashtriya Rifles of the Army and 164 battalion of the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) launched a joint operation in Anantnag today.

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Nagpur: At least 15 personnel of the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) were on Tuesday killed in a landmine blast triggered by suspected Naxals in Maharashtra's Gadchiroli district.

According to officials, the paramilitary personnel were travelling in a bus when the incident occurred.

The Naxals have targeted paramilitary personnel in a similar manner on several previous occasions also, leading to his casualties.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/na ... 66423.html
Damn these Naxals, sure hope the CPOs get better teeth in this Budget to fight this National menace.

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Interestingly a news report stated that earlier this week in Gadricholi two Naxals had surrendered to the Gadricholi Police, could this blast be related to this ?
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^^RIP brave jawans. But how in the world did the naxals knew the bus carried CRPF jawans :?: :(
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SagarAg wrote:^^RIP brave jawans. But how in the world did the naxals knew the bus carried CRPF jawans :?: :(
Informers.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... um=twitter
The security forces inflicted a major damage on the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba (LeT) militant outfit on Wednesday by killing its five militants in a daylong encounter in north Kashmir's border district of Kupwara.
A joint operation of the local police, the army and the CRPF was launched at 10
am on Wednesday in a forest area near Laribal village, 90 km north of Srinagar ...
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Video of the Handwara encounter mentioned above:

http://www.timesnow.tv/5-Lashkar-milita ... 399874.cms
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If only they remove that distracting 'breaking news' bar almost in the middle of the screen :x
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Indian paramilitary soldiers demolish an old guard post in the center of Srinagar, Kashmir, India, Monday, April 2, 2012. The soldiers removed the structure that had stood there for more than 25 years as part of a community outreach to improve relations with the local population.

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Indian army soldiers stand guard outside an army base in Handwara, about 75 Kilometers (47 miles) north of Srinagar, India, Friday, April 6, 2012. At least five suspected Islamic militants were killed in India's portion of Kashmir during a gunbattle in the forest area late Thursday, army and police officials said
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Awesome Op's footage from Handwara forests ---

You can clearly make out Commanding officers instructions and interactions with Jawan !!!! Gunned down 5 porkis.


http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4399874.cms
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Regarding the Late Lt. Navdeep Singh battle, I have a question.

Why didn't the IA party blow up the dingy itself using an RPG or some other high caliber weapon, instead of getting into a fire-fight?
The fire-fight should be for the clean-up not for the initial engagement which should have an element of shakinah in it. What are the operational constraints which forces the IA to restrict the use of bigger caliber weapons? In this case it was clear that the intrusion was from the PoK.

Compare that to the ambush by the Naxals. They first blow the vehicle and then engaged the survivors.
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nice wish that damn large band screaming breaking news was smaller

hopefully a better quality clip will emerge
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Interesting video. But who is shooting the video. A reporter :?:
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^^^^^^
Love the video. Especially love the "saab bhaag raha hai, bhaag raha hai", followed by a series of gunshots...awesome
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VikramS wrote:Regarding the Late Lt. Navdeep Singh battle, I have a question.

Why didn't the IA party blow up the dingy itself using an RPG or some other high caliber weapon, instead of getting into a fire-fight?
The fire-fight should be for the clean-up not for the initial engagement which should have an element of shakinah in it. What are the operational constraints which forces the IA to restrict the use of bigger caliber weapons? In this case it was clear that the intrusion was from the PoK.

Compare that to the ambush by the Naxals. They first blow the vehicle and then engaged the survivors.
Hi, can you provide the source where you found this description of the battle? esp. reg the "dingy" and high caliber weapons.
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VikramS wrote:Regarding the Late Lt. Navdeep Singh battle, I have a question.

Why didn't the IA party blow up the dingy itself using an RPG or some other high caliber weapon, instead of getting into a fire-fight?
The fire-fight should be for the clean-up not for the initial engagement which should have an element of shakinah in it. What are the operational constraints which forces the IA to restrict the use of bigger caliber weapons? In this case it was clear that the intrusion was from the PoK.

Compare that to the ambush by the Naxals. They first blow the vehicle and then engaged the survivors.
Hi, can you provide the source where you found this description of the battle? esp. reg the "dingy" and high caliber weapons.
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From Book review in HindustanTimes:
http://books.hindustantimes.com/2012/05 ... he-meadow/
Five others trekkers — two Americans, John Childs and Don Hutchings, a German, Dirk Hasert, two Brits, Keith Mangan and Paul Wells — had also been kidnapped on July 5, 1995. Childs had escaped three days later. The kidnappers demanded the release of 21 Pakistani and Kashmiri militants, including Masood Azhar, the son of an influential Deobandi cleric and an ace propagandist for Harkat ul-Ansar.
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the authors reveal that the hostages were not killed by Al-Faran or Harkat, but by Nabi Azad or Alpha, a dreaded counter-insurgent who operated from the mountain villages of Anantnag and worked with the anti-militancy Special Task Force (STF) of Kashmir Police, intelligence agencies, and the Rashtriya Rifles of the Indian army.
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The prolonged hostage crisis served a strategic purpose: to show the western powers that Pakistan, the ‘epicentre of terrorism’, was behind the insurgency in Kashmir. Both Tikoo and the tenacious detectives of his department realised that the government did not want to save the hostages
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The detectives pursued the case till they got an eyewitness. “No one could risk the hostages being released and complaining of collusion, having seen uniforms and STF jeeps, possibly hearing things they understood. We led them into the trees, a good, hard walk behind the lower village. I remember that the snow was heavy and deep. And there they were shot,” the eyewitness said. The date of murder was December 24, 1995
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I posted this in the Newbie thread, and then was searching for similar stuff. Here is a detailed interview with the authors
http://www.terminalx.org/2012/04/book-r ... 95-al.html
IB, RAW, and the army all knew of the hostages’ whereabouts for almost the entire time they were in the Warwan Valley—some 10 or 11 weeks from mid July 1995. The police discovered this by interviewing villagers there and sampling statements from a network of informers and agents they had in place there. We did the same, exhaustively. IB/army acquired photos of the hostages so detailed that according to some of the agents who saw them they could “see the sweat on their brows” as they played ball games, to alleviate their boredom. Villagers in the Warwan reported the hostages’ presence on numerous occasions to the Rashtriya Rifles. On at least one occasion, documented by police, villagers complained they were beaten and detained by soldiers of Victor Force who told them to mind their own business.
We had Scotland Yard and FBI personnel in Kashmir those days. Why didn’t they lead any rescue mission?

A panoply of Western security advisors and negotiators were on the ground in 1995: FBI, Scotland Yard, MI6, CIA, US Special Forces and the SAS. However, all were tethered to New Delhi or their Srinagar bases at government guesthouses. When the US Special Forces pushed to work in the countryside, the Indian military went ballistic, lobbying in Delhi, claiming that Kashmir crisis was all about sovereignty and that foreign boots on Indian soil was thus unacceptable.
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absolute bullshit and rubbish

My friend was there when the TFTA SAS went around and refused any help saying the villagers were more likely to help them. In fact the GOI sadly allowed foreigners to run around .. sadly at that time we were under pressure

the authors are lying

their vaunted SAS slunk back with their tails between their legs

sigh when will we stop giving any thirdrate gora writers publicity?
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