Bangladesh News and Discussion

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 06 May 2012 10:19

Teesta treaty high on agenda as Clinton arrives in Kolkata today

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 May 2012 09:40

Don't see why Unkil is interested in the teesta treaty. I understand one of a superpower's characteristics is that every major dispute everywhere i the world is affected bu its stance on the dispute but still, I can't see unkil becoming a party to the teesta issue without dilli's consent.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 13 May 2012 10:56

I watched this Bangladeshi movie (my first) Guerrilla - Bangladesh Liberation War Movie.

The movie depicts how much hate the Jamatis in BD and Punjabi mussalman in Paki army have for India (India and Hindu are synonymous for them). For the Pakis its all about India in 71 and man its inhuman how Hindus are treated in these countries.

Part 1/5.......Part 2/5.......Part 3/5....... Part 4/5.......Part 5/5

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 14 May 2012 11:43

Ghulam Azam, former head of Jamaat-e-Islami, indicted of war crimes during the Liberation War of Bangladesh

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 16 May 2012 18:47

I don't think this was posted here - Bangladesh: America’s New Strategic Cynosure In South Asia – Analysis

I look at it as a net negative for India.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 16 May 2012 19:02

Like ShivJi has said, US has no role in Indian subcontinent. The sooner we realize this and make efforts to minimize their footprint here, the better for us.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 01 Jun 2012 01:54

US eyes 7th fleet base in Chittagong port per Times Now.

Looks like Indian strategists leaked the news. I think efforts could be underway to nix the plan.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 06 Jun 2012 06:36

Debate: America eyes Bay of Bengal | TIMES NOW

Actually I agree with shyamd, it seems India leaked the details of these secret negotiations to embarrass the Americans and Bangladeshis, prompting both sides to issue a denial.

As far as I know Indian media was the first to report it.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 08 Jun 2012 18:33

Update on Bangladesh population census. Error rate around 4%. So population is around 148 million, growth rate around 13.5% (17.5% in 2001), lower than India and much lower than TSP. Net addition 19 million in 2001, 17.5 million in 2011.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 08 Jun 2012 19:02

Supratik wrote:Update on Bangladesh population census. Error rate around 4%. So population is around 148 million, growth rate around 13.5% (17.5% in 2001), lower than India and much lower than TSP. Net addition 19 million in 2001, 17.5 million in 2011.

Has the impact of external immigration been factored in? . I guess with WB, Assam, Bihar population also bursting at the seems BD's might find it so easy to resettle in India like int he past.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 08 Jun 2012 20:00

Aditya_V wrote: Has the impact of external immigration been factored in? . I guess with WB, Assam, Bihar population also bursting at the seems BD's might find it so easy to resettle in India like int he past.

No but if current trends remain (Bd TFR at 2.2 and if it falls to less than 1.9 in a decade) I am hoping BD with 6-7% economic growth will actually become a place for immigration from the underdeveloped regions of WB and lower Assam. This may release some of the population pressure on WB. WB is about half the size of Bd and should have about 75 million population instead of 91 million. So releasing the population pressure largely from immigration from both Bd and other parts of India is important. Bihar is unlikely to have a large Bd Bengali population. Most illegal immgrants in Bihar are those whose family migrated to Bd/East Pakistan from Bihar but are back after formation of Bd. I am also hoping that Bihar shows a drastic drop in population growth in the next decade due to good governance of Nitish . Simply put WB needs to get rid off the immigration pressure.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 12 Jun 2012 12:36

US planning a Base in BD. IBNLive wants india not to be amused

http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/sauravjha/2 ... mused.html

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jun 2012 21:03

shyamd wrote:US eyes 7th fleet base in Chittagong port per Times Now.

Looks like Indian strategists leaked the news. I think efforts could be underway to nix the plan.

As Roperia had posted earlier.... sneaky female, clinton

The amrekis expect India to sacrifice in the east and west onlee.

Roperia wrote:Teesta treaty high on agenda as Clinton arrives in Kolkata today

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jun 2012 22:32

Murugan wrote:US planning a Base in BD. IBNLive wants india not to be amused

http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/sauravjha/2 ... mused.html

So US wants Bangla Desh to be the new Pakistan in containing China. Recall the role of Peshawar base in containing FSU!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 13 Jun 2012 03:41

chetak, the klingon didn't actually raise the teesta issue.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 13 Jun 2012 03:48

An american base in Chattagrama? wonderful! Simply wonderful. It will be under constant attack. US will either have to retaliate or pressurize the BD gov. Either way more khujli for mullahcracy and the reds of BD.

Not bad at all. I am hungry for that port.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 13 Jun 2012 10:15

US Base in Chattagram re. and New Pakistan

This is new in the encirclement game !?

Chin aggressively tried to encircl India. Now unkil to encircle chin !?

Puki tried unsuccess-fool encirclement of India. The only successfool they were in association with chin is ISI and Maoists activities in Nepal. Nepal ka haal boora kar diya.

The game South Asian nations play

Circle = Chakra
Game of encirclement == Chakravyuh

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 13 Jun 2012 11:45

Burma unrest: Bangladesh turns away Rakhine refugees

Refugees fleeing unrest in Burma are being turned away by Bangladesh coast guards and border security.

On Tuesday, three boats carrying refugees were turned back, reports say. Officials say they had earlier sent another 11 boats back.

Meanwhile, unrest continues in Rakhine state with reports of gunshots and buildings torched.

The area in western Burma has seen deadly violence between Buddhists and Muslims since last week.

At least seven people have been killed since Friday, but one report puts the number of dead at 25.

Reports on the number of Muslim Rohingya refugees fleeing to neighbouring Bangladesh vary, but as many as 1,500 are said to have been turned back in recent days.

"We are keeping our eyes open so that nobody can enter Bangladesh illegally," a police official told the Associated Press.

"Women on the boats said they have lost husbands and relatives in the violence. Their houses were torched," a Border Guard Bangladesh official told AFP news.

One man reportedly died in a hospital in Chittagong after he was allegedly shot by Burma forces while fleeing.

The UN Refugee Agency has appealed to Dhaka to keep its border open and provide humanitarian aid. However, Bangladesh Foreign Minister Dipu Moni said it was not in the country's interest to accept new refugees.

An estimated 300,000 Rohingya refugees are already living in Bangladesh.
State of emergency

The recent violence in Rakhine state flared after the murder of a Buddhist woman last month, followed by an attack on a bus carrying Muslims.

According to reports, it began on Friday in the town of Maungdaw, spreading to state capital Sittwe and neighbouring villages. President Thein Sein declared a state of emergency there late on Sunday night.

Rakhine state is named after the ethnic Rakhine Buddhist majority, but also has a sizeable Muslim population, including the Rohingyas.

The Rohingyas are a Muslim group and are stateless, as Burma considers them to be illegal immigrants from Bangladesh.

Activists have criticised Burma's government for imposing a state of emergency, which paves the way for troops to take control of the western state.

The pressure group Human Rights Watch has accused the Burmese government of, in effect, handing over control of Rakhine state to the military, which it says has a history of brutality against both Buddhists and Muslims.

Activists have asked that journalists, aid workers and diplomats be allowed into the area.

A nominally civilian government was elected in Burma in 2010 and, in April this year, opposition politicians led by Aung San Suu Kyi entered Burma's parliament following historic by-elections.

However, the government is still dominated by the military and concerns over political repression and human rights abuses continue

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Jun 2012 05:57

Bangladesh Eyes Exports to India as U.S., Europe Demand Soften
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 38306.html

DHAKA—Bangladesh expects increased exports to India to make up for slack demand from Europe and the U.S. for its textile output in the year ahead, the nation's finance minister said. Abul Maal Abdul Muhith, in an interview, said Bangladesh was working to diversify its export base away from Europe and the U.S. due to concerns about long-term demand for its low-price apparel in those economies. "China and India are taking more than before," Mr. Muhith said. "Europe is very unpredictable." Bangladesh is South Asia's poorest country, with almost half its 160 million people living on less than $1.25 per day

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 24 Jun 2012 16:07

“Bangladesh Envoy in India slams Pakistan”

June 24, 2012
By ebangladesh desk

Bangladesh envoy to India has attacked Pakistani army, saying its “selfish corporate mindset” may lead to a nuclear confrontation with India, a view endorsed by BJP leader LK Advani- reports the PTI.

In his latest blog posting, Advani quotes a pamphlet written by high commissioner

Ahmad Tariq Karim to say that in “its obsession with matching India tit-for-tat in missiles and nuclear race”, Pakistan has “failed to address more fundamental problems related to societal development within its own orders, and has gone pretty nigh bankrupt in the process”.

Advani mentions a recent meeting with Bangladesh envoy Ahmad Tariq Karim who later sent him a 19-page pamphlet written by him on Pakistan. In the pamphlet, Karim cites seven “deadly sins” of Pakistan which were responsible for the political problems and weak democracy in the neighbouring country.

These, according to Karim, are doctrines of Islamic invincibility over Hindus, West Pakistani superiority over inferior Bengalis (Bangladeshis), its indispensability as a strategic ally of the US, too much emphasis on relations with China and Iran, a belief that majority of Kashmiris want to join Pakistan, and that defence of East Pakistan lay in the plains of Punjab (Pakistan).

Agreeing with the views, Advani said, “In totality this pamphlet adds up to a very perceptive summing up of all that has gone wrong with Pakistan in the three score years since its foundation.” He further adds, “In the preamble to this pamphlet Karim warns that the selfish corporate mindset of the Pakistan military establishment ultimately may lead to a nuclear confrontation with India.”

Karim’s paper also makes a plea to the international community in general and to Saarc in particular to deploy measures that would encourage the return of democracy to Pakistan as soon as possible.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 24 Jun 2012 21:50

Murugan wrote:US Base in Chattagram re. and New Pakistan
This is new in the encirclement game !?
Chin aggressively tried to encircl India. Now unkil to encircle chin !?
Puki tried unsuccess-fool encirclement of India. The only successfool they were in association with chin is ISI and Maoists activities in Nepal. Nepal ka haal boora kar diya.
The game South Asian nations play

Circle = Chakra
Game of encirclement == Chakravyuh

Murugan ji

It is UPA building a chakravyuh around our great nation for a 10 gram gold medal and $m prize money, while looting this nation $B and send them outside of the chakravyuh for retirement.

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 28 Jun 2012 18:00

Bharat Bhakshaks

A trial court has criticized the government for indulging in "petty votebank politics" and preventing action against three crore Bangladeshi nationals, who are illegally staying in the country and enjoying the benefits meant for the citizens of this land.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... ation-card

30 Million Illegal Bangladeshis/1.221 Billion = 2.45% of India's Population

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Jun 2012 18:14

Boss moreover given that they are not evenly spread, this 30 million ensure Mumbai, Assam and WB and Tripura seats go the INC and Left. giving around 60 seats to UPA to start.

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 28 Jun 2012 18:26

Aditya_V wrote:Boss moreover given that they are not evenly spread, this 30 million ensure Mumbai, Assam and WB and Tripura seats go the INC and Left. giving around 60 seats to UPA to start.

Plus The Fertility Rate of 4 with 4 Jihadized Munnas born with Congress Ration Card in their Mouth.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 08 Jul 2012 02:32

A Bangladeshi Driver being abused and shown his place by one of his Islamic fourfathers.

Original with Saudi comments.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Aug 2012 23:51

Why cant India follow this strategy w.r.t BD immigrants?

Syria refugee exodus raises pressure for buffer zone

ANKARA/BAB AL-SALAMEH, Syria - (Reuters) – Syria’s refugee exodus is accelerating and up to 200,000 people could settle in Turkey alone if the conflict worsens, the United Nations warned on Tuesday, increasing pressure for creation of a buffer zone inside Syria.

Turkey has floated the idea of a “safe zone” to be set up for civilians under foreign protection as fighting has intensified in a 17-month-old uprising against President Bashar al-Assad.

Up to 5,000 refugees a day have been crossing into Turkey over the past two weeks while the pace of refugees arriving at a camp in northern Jordan has doubled, heralding what could be a much bigger movement there, the U.N. refugee agency said.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 29 Aug 2012 00:10

Because we did that in 1971 when Bangladeshi's were getting butchered and were streaming into India. Now it's mainly economic rather than genocide

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 29 Aug 2012 08:07

India's worries could mount with Khaleda Zia's expected return to power in Bangladesh

Bharti Jain, TNN | Aug 29, 2012, 02.48AM IST

The security agencies fear that Bangladesh-based subversive elements, like those aligned with fundamentalist outfit and BNP partner Jamaat-e-Islami, could resume their policy of sponsoring and sheltering insurgent groups active in northeast India.

NEW DELHI: With indications increasingly suggesting the possibility of a regime change in Dhaka in early 2014, the intelligence establishment here is worried that anti-India forces could once again get a free run to use Bangladesh as a staging post for terrorism and other subversive activities.

The term of the Sheikh Hasina government, which reined in terror outfits operating from its soil, ends in January 2014. Revolving-door politics being much the norm in Bangladesh, it is likely to be the turn of Begum Khaleda Zia, Hasina's arch rival who is not known to be friendly towards India. In fact, as she rises in the charts capitalizing on Hasina's incumbency, Khaleda has also been busy painting the prime minister an Indian stooge.

The security agencies fear that Bangladesh-based subversive elements, like those aligned with fundamentalist outfit and BNP partner Jamaat-e-Islami, could resume their policy of sponsoring and sheltering insurgent groups active in northeast India which use the neighbouring country as a safe haven besides providing an infiltration route to Pakistan-sponsored terror outfits.

The communal divide between Bodos and Bengali-speaking Muslims in parts of Assam has the potential to be exploited by Bangladeshi fundamentalists to radicalize the Muslim youth there and add muscle to home-grown terror in India.

New Delhi has got unprecedented cooperation from the Hasina regime in busting the havens of Indian insurgent groups in her country as well as in the investigation of terror incidents with Bangladeshi linkages. However, as the popularity of the Awami League regime under Hasina dips, ceding ground to rival BNP, the agencies fear that the gains of the last few years may be reversed if Khaleda regains power.

It is no secret that Pakistan's ISI has been using Bangladesh to carry out anti-India operations. Bangladeshi terror outfit HuJI enjoys close links with Pakistani tanzeems. Many of the ISI-sponsored perpetrators of terror attacks in India had either infiltrated through Bangladesh or escaped to the neighbouring country after the strikes. There are many other instances of ISI links with Bangladesh: ISI footing the election bill of Khaleda in 1991, a revelation made by none other than former ISI chief Assad Durani; NSCN cadres travelling to Pakistan from Dhaka in March 1996 for training in guerrilla warfare; an ISI-sponsored technical expert training Ulfa in operation and installation of communication equipment at a Nagaland camp; detaining of NSCN(I-M) chief T Muivah at Bangkok airport in January 2000 while returning from Karachi after allegedly inspecting an arms consignment; and the revelation of arrested All Tripura Tiger Force (ATTF) cadres that ISI had extended $20,000 assistance to Tk 58 lakh to the outfit, besides imparting arms training to eight ATTF cadres in 1997 at Kandahar, Afghanistan.

With ISI and Bangladeshi group Jamaat-e-Islami allegedly funding Assam-based Muslim fundamentalist groups like Multa, Mulfa, Simi and Indian Mujahideen, it is feared that the latter may be used to exploit the tension between Bodos and Bengali-speaking Muslims in Kokrajhar to stoke communal fires and instigate local Muslims to take to home-grown terror.

Obviously, the Indian security establishment is keen to arrest the slide in Awami League's popularity. Though there is little it can do to reverse the incumbency disadvantage, a positive development on the Teesta water-sharing pact, financial assistance for the Padma Bridge project and exchange of enclaves may go a long way in correcting the negative perception in Bangladesh that Hasina has not managed any major concessions from India. However, these will be possible only after UPA's troublesome ally, the Trinamool Congress, is convinced to drop its reservations on Teesta and the enclaves.

Even as efforts will intensify over the next year to recover lost ground for Hasina, senior intelligence officials here claimed that Khaleda's BNP alliance, saddled by corruption cases and expected conviction of its leaders by war crimes tribunals, could see a reversal in its growing popular perception closer to the polls, expected sometime in February 2014.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 912179.cms

Perhaps the main reason why India may have allowed the Americans to steadily increase its influence in Bangladesh. Brihaspatiji's predictions of regime change are slowly coming true.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 29 Aug 2012 09:08

So the comeback of the islamists instead of being less than 50-50 as was previously assumed is slowly being seen as a certainty in elite Delhi circles.

Guess all the rabindra sangeet fellows are taking a hike.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 29 Aug 2012 19:44

With the possibility of Islamists coming to power in Bangladesh once again, India will certainly be involved on 3 fronts should a war break out against Chi-pak. However, India may have neutralized this possibility by ceding some ground to the Americans in Bangladesh and by ramping up our military presence in the NE. Perhaps it may be time to deploy some of our short range nuclear assets to the NE to compliment the Agni II's that are already there if we haven't already done so. There isn't much else that we can do given the current political situation in India.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 29 Aug 2012 20:29

Khaleda Zia : what's her problem could any one point to a good source please? is she a wet dreamer too like our brothers to our west, a frothing jihadi at heart?

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 11 Sep 2012 02:34

India seeks to upgrade bilateral ties with Bangladesh

Indrani Bagchi, TNN Sep 4, 2012, 05.35AM IST
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NEW DELHI: India is broad-basing engagement with Bangladesh. Gohar Rizvi and Matiur Rehman, Bangladesh PM's special advisers, will meet national security adviser (NSA) Shivshankar Menon this week to push new projects with India. Despite difficulties on the land boundary agreement and Teesta water-sharing pact, the Indian government is sending out a message to Dhaka that it is open to upgrading the bilateral ties.

Last week, India shared the entire project report with Bangladesh on the environmental impact assessment of Tipaimukh dam — seen as a big step in transparency in bilateral dealings. This was intended to be a confidence-building measure to prevent the rise of conspiracy theories and rumour mongering in Bangladesh that has been the source of so much mistrust. Recently, a group of Bangladeshi journalists was taken to Tipaimukh site to show that there was no activity there. India has said it would not do anything without taking Dhaka into confidence.

After inviting General Ershad of the Jatiya Party, the leader of opposition of Bangladesh Begum Khaleda Zia is expected to visit India in the near future to hold talks with the Indian government. This will be Khaleda's first visit here amid speculation that her party may win the next elections and the old anti-India steps would be back.

India has also offered to train Bangladeshi diplomats, an offer that has been accepted, said sources. Bangladesh has used up about $650 million of the line of credit given by India. Sources said that another $150 million of projects will be firmed up soon. India has given $200 million of its $1 billion as a grant to Bangladesh to use as it deems fit.

Meanwhile, within the government, sources said there were hectic moves to convince West Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee to step off the bench on the Teesta pact. Banerjee may relent after a financial package is readied for cash-strapped Bengal. Returning from Tehran, the PM had said last Friday, "We have been discussing with the Finance Minister as well as the Chief Minister of West Bengal practical, pragmatic and viable ways and means of helping West Bengal to tide over these difficulties."

There are signs that a deal on Teesta may be around the corner. But until then, officials said, "Bangladesh is getting 100% of Teesta water."

Ershad’s Visit to India Whets His Political Ambition
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Anand Kumar

September 10, 2012

Gen (Retd.) Hussain Muhammad Ershad, the leader of Jatiya Party and former Bangladeshi military dictator (he hates to be called so), visited India recently for a week in August at the invitation of Indian government. India appears to be worried about the political future of Bangladesh where elections are scheduled towards the end of the next year. The Jatiya party is the third largest political party in Bangladesh and part of the ruling coalition, which many in Bangladesh fear may not return to power in the next elections.

Ershad was given the honour of a state guest. During his stay in India he met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, President Pranab Mukherjee, National Security Advisor (NSA), Shiv Shankar Menon, and foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai before embarking on his religious visit to Ajmer.

As expected, in their discussions with Gen Ershad, Indian leaders reportedly sought his views on the evolving political scene in Bangladesh and the upcoming parliamentary elections which already seem to be mired in controversy because of the abolition of the caretaker government system in Bangladesh. The main opposition Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP) is threatening to boycott the elections unless the caretaker government system is restored. In the divided polity of Bangladesh where both Awami League and the BNP get nearly the same percentage of votes barring the swing votes, the role of other small players like the Jamaat-e-Islami or the Jatiya Party led by General Ershad becomes important.

As Jamaat is a long-time ally of the BNP, the role played by Ershad is going to be important. Even before 2008 elections he was wooed vigorously by the both Awami League and the BNP. Ershad kept both parties on the tenterhook before joining the Awami League led alliance which promised to make him president. He may have also joined this alliance because he had sensed the mood of people and possibly knew that the chances of Awami League coming to power were greater. However, the promise to make Ershad president of Bangladesh was forgotten with Awami League receiving a landslide victory in the elections. This virtually made Ershad’s support redundant. In the 2008 elections the Awami League-led grand alliance had bagged 263 seats out 300, out of which Jatiya Party of Ershad secured 27 seats. The main rival BNP led four-party alliance received only 32 seats, with the remaining seats going to independent candidates. In this situation, Ershad could not claim what was promised to him yet chose to stay close to the League, because he was facing many corruption cases and needed its support to thwart those charges.

Ershad, of late, has been in the limelight for campaigning against Tipaimukh dam that Bangladesh fears India is building in the state of Manipur. He has been criticising India for not signing the Teesta water sharing agreement with Bangladesh. This agreement is of additional importance to Ershad because the irrigation system that Bangladesh plans to develop after getting assurance of Teesta water from India is going to benefit greater Rangpur area which is a stronghold of Ershad’s Jatiya Party.

It was widely reported in the Indian media that during his stay in India Ershad discussed these along with the land border issue. Indian leaders assured Ershad that India was trying to get Paschim Banga Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee on board before signing of the Teesta deal and they were hopeful that it would be coming soon. India also assured Ershad that it would not do anything to harm the interests of Bangladesh by building Tipaimukh dam. He was also informed that the progress on land border issue and exchange of enclaves have not been to the desired extent because the treaty needs to be ratified by the Indian parliament with a two-thirds majority, which the present government lacks. However, it was communicated to him that Manmohan Singh’s government was trying to build consensus across the party line over this issue. Though the anti-India stance recently being taken by Ershad is of a smaller scale compared to that of the BNP, he considers it necessary to retain and boost his popularity in Bangladesh. Indeed, it is important to pay attention to his future political ambitions against the backdrop of the ongoing political tussle between the government and the opposition..

The recent visit to India has enhanced the expectations of Ershad. In the last election he was hoping for the post of president, a ceremonial position in Bangladeshi political set-up; now he has stated openly that he wants to be prime minister after the next elections. In Ershad’s calculation both the BNP and the Awami League may not get the requisite number this time, while the number of seats won by his party might considerably increase and go beyond 60. In that scenario, Ershad hopes to stake claim for prime ministership. He plans to make his party contest the next elections alone, without being part of any alliance. The Jatiya party wants to put up candidates on its own and in large numbers. Ershad is perhaps looking at the next election as his last election, since age is not on his side (for he is now 82 years old); hence, he wants to make the best of it, and the political situation in the country seems to be favouring him. Though India now wants to engage all political players in Bangladesh, and with this objective it has invited Khaleda Zia to visit New Delhi sometime next month, the role of Ershad becomes important in the event of Awami League not returning to power and the elections leading to a hung house. India would perhaps not mind if Ershad cobbles up a coalition and leads the next government.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 11 Sep 2012 03:35

Its a total failure on the part of "experts" to understand the basic balance of power in BD society that leads to India dancing to the main islamist interest in BD, serving its various contextual needs and then getting kicked.

In brief, the BD power equation is that of a society of say 90% Islamists, [enjoying liquid fuels or other western vices does not disqualify one from being an Islamist, as that would disqualify a lot of gulf, saudi or paki socety. What qualifies is as and when chance arises is jihad used to loot, rape and kill non-muslims and take their land and women.] and 10% liberalism-aspirants, who mostly turn out to be vacillators. The 90% is roughly equally divided into more opportunistic and more fundamentalist islamists. The opportunistic side hedges its bets between all powers - but most strongly with UK, and secondarily with USA. The UK link brings its perhaps closer to the major other link of British politics in the subcontinent - India and congrez.

People forget that the roots of AL lie in ML, and its founder member and subsequent iconic leader, Sk Mujib, was the right-hand of Hussein Suhrawardy - the architect of ML genocide plans in pre-Partition Bengal. Mujib's roots were expressed amply in his desire to get Assam valley as lebensraum, and his insistence on returning to BD after liberation via UK. India was used by one section of islamists to come to power regionally by getting free of a distant islamic overlordship. Almost immediately the real tendencies of the dominant overall islamist basis of BD manifested in removal of Sk. Mujib, and subsequent string of pro-Islamist military-dictatorships.

Whoever comes to power in BD - the underlying islamist driving network - will never let go of its dream of increasing its territorial grip at the cost of India, and primarily in the NE direction at first.

Trying to play with Ershad about Tipaimukh is a no-gamer. Tipaimukh is an issue used by everyone - including the "liberal" "progressive" left. Ershad or X, Y, Z in BD politics will always use anything that goes against India, because, going against India is rewarding in BD politics. Going against India is rewarding in BD politics because Islam overall dominates BD political life - even if it is not apparent in Rabindrasangeet swilling crowds which adorn the lenses of Indian journos. If it was China or Malaysia or Saudi Arabia involved on the wrong side of tipaimukh - there would be no Ershad or X,Y,Z shouting about it.

Zimple onlee.

member_23252 · Post by **member_23252** » 24 Sep 2012 01:05

Alarming decrease in Hindu population in Bangladesh

The statistics show almost elimination of Hindu population in fifteen districts in the country. In 2001, the total number of Hindu population in Bangladesh was 16.83 million, while the population was expected to be 18.2 million in 2011. But the latest statistics available with the government shows the total number of Hindu population at 12.3 million, which is nine hundred thousand less than the expected rate of growth. Currently 8.5 percent of the total population of Bangladesh is Hindus, while in 2001, it was 9.2 percent.

If any Hindu tried to protect their ancestral property and resist undue pressure of the Muslims, either their houses were set on fire or female members of those families were forcefully abducted as well as gang-raped.
Secretary General of Bangladesh National Hindu Grand Alliance, advocate Gobinda Chandra Pramanik said, "Hindu girls are becoming victim of abduction and rape on an increased frequency. That is why, most of the Hindu families in Bangladesh either send their girl children to various educational institutions in India or get them married at tinder age simply to save their religious and social dignity."

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 24 Sep 2012 02:04

Bji,

How exactly do we deal with Bangladesh with an exploding population? Their citizenry have no choice but to move to India and displace the indigenous dharmic population. Eventually we will have to declare war on them. Is it even possible to subdue this islamic demographic invasion and take on the state machinery of Bangladesh at the same time?

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 24 Sep 2012 13:32

We should wait for the data to appear on their census website. It is possible that there has been further migration or lower fertility of Hindus. However, the figures quoted for 2001 in the article is not correct. 9.2% of 130 million is approx. 12 million and not 16+ million.

jiteshn · Post by **jiteshn** » 24 Sep 2012 13:50

Land mine the entire border. It's a long term investment guaranteed to work.

Many bangladeshis reach india by swimming through rivers and lakes adjoining the border. The best I can think of in these areas is to start a crocodile/piranha program in these waters.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 24 Sep 2012 19:39

^^?? A militia program on the lines of Salwa Judum may be necessary.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 24 Sep 2012 19:52

RoyG wrote:^^?? A militia program on the lines of Salwa Judum may be necessary.

Heard that many from Thailand/Vietnam etc. go over to Middle Eastern Kingdoms for work, but end up getting enslaved.

It could be better to get a temporary employment agency that provides for housing for such people capable for similar work needed in India at places where illegals start up.

One could rotate/shift personnel every season so employers' risk of capture by illegals is absent.

If there are such employers there could be even Indians willing to work such as from Kerala so Keralites who want to avoid going to the middle east can look for opportunities here.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 28 Sep 2012 05:01

RoyG wrote:Bji,

How exactly do we deal with Bangladesh with an exploding population? Their citizenry have no choice but to move to India and displace the indigenous dharmic population. Eventually we will have to declare war on them. Is it even possible to subdue this islamic demographic invasion and take on the state machinery of Bangladesh at the same time?

Sooner or later we have to confront the existential problem. I think the territorial and physical defense attitudes are slowly coming into the border-Hindu this side of the border. Some work is going on. There are ways and means of developing resistance. Lets see how it goes. I would recommend building up safe habitats in the rear - further to the west on the borders of WB. Another neglected spot is the tea-belt, and the entire stretch to the Bhutan border. Excellent rear base area. The political alignment will force MB to gradually become more and more isolated as I predicted. So there are problems as well as advantages to be derived. BD will change regimes - so yes more rape sof Hindus on the other side of the border, but also a chance to build up something this side.

One day we will have to eliminate that country's islaimist infrastructure. So you can imagine what other eliminations will be a pre-requisite for that. Maybe we have to see to it that the provocation that justify the actions needed, go unhindered in BD.