Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 14 Jun 2012 18:05

Newstrackindia looks like it might be a paki (ISI) run effort masquerading as Indian. Has paki-type errors like "Paul Rand", "Raisina Hills" etc.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Jun 2012 18:38

Pakistan Ordnance factories to get electricity from Indian power surplus

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 14 Jun 2012 19:36

WTF India power surplus, It is Power generosity, India is power straved and many parts of our nation have power cuts. There is no power for many Industries, Multinationals don't set up plants in our nation, but we export power.

I am sure some Indians die of heat stroke without power, some hospitals are affected and Indian patients die. But since they are elite who cares. Pakis for our IFS and Elite are more important than Indians.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Jun 2012 20:44

shiv wrote:Pakistan Ordnance factories to get electricity from Indian power surplus

my4THcousin wrote: Given
1. Indo-Pak wars are religious riots with tanks - Bharat Karnad
2. Pakis look, eat, talk just like us - WKKs
3. "Ekam Sat, Vipra bahudha vadanti" - Zakir Nayak
4. Secularism = EQUAL treatment of all religiousn - Indian constitution
5. Terrorist uncles are misguided youth - Indian children carrying placards written by their teachers and parents
6. Akhand Bharat is Indian dream - Fascist Indian Nationalists
7. Islam encompasses all humanity and Muhammed is the last prophet - Muslim intellectuals

This is the right move in the right direction. I recommend that indian DRDO/Dxxx share the blue prints of Agni, Brahmos etc., with their Pakistani brothers so our brothers do not feel threatened by India's overwhelming superiority in conventional and nuclear fields. I also recommend that India puts aside 40% of their national budget for the development of their south-asian brothers because we all share common ancestry and we must share our wealth too.

This is how we occupy Paki consciousness - By sharing all our wealth (which they cannot/won't refuse) and their pain/suffering (which they are glad to - thru a contained form of terrorism) we make them part of our Akhand Bharat dream.

This is the cha-ni-kya-an strategy our congress system.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Jun 2012 20:55

SSridhar, The returnees were predicted in Gen Paddy's book. Wait for Salahuddin to come back. That would end the JKLF movement. What remains is Paki terrorism.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Jun 2012 21:36

the riots with tanks originates with a british commentator from the 60's or 70's, others have repeated it

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 14 Jun 2012 21:43

And the war in Northern Ireland is with flaming crosses?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 14 Jun 2012 22:36

RamaY wrote: This is the right move in the right direction. I recommend that indian DRDO/Dxxx share the blue prints of Agni, Brahmos etc., with their Pakistani brothers so our brothers do not feel threatened by India's overwhelming superiority in conventional and nuclear fields.

I am all for giving Agni-V ICBM to Pakis. Along with the Arihant. So they have a chance to get even with whoever (in the region or outside) is threatening them and they feel secure. Also people outside the region will start sharing some of India's concerns.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 Jun 2012 22:38

Aditya_V wrote:WTF India power surplus, It is Power generosity, India is power straved and many parts of our nation have power cuts. There is no power for many Industries, Multinationals don't set up plants in our nation, but we export power.

I am sure some Indians die of heat stroke without power, some hospitals are affected and Indian patients die. But since they are elite who cares. Pakis for our IFS and Elite are more important than Indians.

I am staying in effing NCR and there is power cut here every now and then. Power surplus, my foot!

Sidd · Post by **Sidd** » 14 Jun 2012 22:56

Video leak: Lucman, Bokhari run 'planted show' with Malik Riaz

you tube video

Even better version

Nadeem Paracha Tweets

Pakistan electronic media is a nudest colony pretending to be a clothing factory

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 14 Jun 2012 22:59

^^Sad, at a time when India's growth is the slowest, S&P is downgrading India, and India risks becoming a fallen angel among the BRIC nations, these kind of concessions are shockers to say the least. The infra sector has been hit so much, industrial output is at the rock bottom, driven by high gas prices, there are places, where there are power-cuts for 18 hours a day, and people are dieing in the summer heat, it seems the political leadership has chosen to ignore all of that. People say the cause of India's current predicament is policy paralysis at the capital, how come when it comes to the pakis, there are so many policies after policies, first exporting gas at cheap prices, then electricity. Its time Indians start thinking about fellow Indians first and feeding the dogs later.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Jun 2012 22:59

Anujan wrote:
RamaY wrote: This is the right move in the right direction. I recommend that indian DRDO/Dxxx share the blue prints of Agni, Brahmos etc., with their Pakistani brothers so our brothers do not feel threatened by India's overwhelming superiority in conventional and nuclear fields.
I am all for giving Agni-V ICBM to Pakis. Along with the Arihant. So they have a chance to get even with whoever (in the region or outside) is threatening them and they feel secure. Also people outside the region will start sharing some of India's concerns.

I agree with my4THcousin on this point.

Perhaps India should disband its army and give the defense budget directly to TSPA. After all China cannot go to war with a nation that has $100B/yr trade and Pakistan's security constraints are completely and absolutely addressed. With that Pakistan wouldn't need strategic-death/depth. That means peaceful and progressive Afghanistan. Oh... I can see another round of green-revolutions...

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 14 Jun 2012 23:52

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162- ... ply-route/
Pakistan has "scaled down" demands for per-truck tax in talks to reopen supply route

A senior Pakistani official says his country has "scaled down" the amount it is demanding as a per-vehicle charge on future NATO supply shipments as Islamabad and the U.S. continue to negotiate an end to the dispute surrounding the closure of a land supply route for U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 15 Jun 2012 00:03

Might be old news but apparently home sec meet didnt achieve much because TSP interior min is pissed off that PC is making excuses all the time not to meet him - mainly due to non-action on 26/11.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 15 Jun 2012 00:08

Pakistan foreign minister urges unity in terror fight

negi · Post by **negi** » 15 Jun 2012 00:51

This is a chankian strategy uninterrupted power means Bakis will be spending more time watching all kinds of p0$n instead of scheming to destroy India or buggering goats, this is a step in right direction may be we should also supply Vaseline and cheap high speed Internet too.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 15 Jun 2012 00:55

Anujan

One more data point on Malik Riaz that I forgot to mention the other day - Riaz gave money and land to the Burqa mullah of Lal Masjid fame and he also financed the rebuilding of the madrassa that was damaged during that siege. Riaz is clearly not a religious type guy, so he must have done this on behalf of his patrons. Jihadi/TSPA establishment are the only ones who have an interest in keeping Lal Masjid types happy.

Riaz is so not a PP guy. He is an army stalking horse.

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 15 Jun 2012 01:34

negi wrote:This is a chankian strategy uninterrupted power means Bakis will be spending more time watching all kinds of p0$n instead of scheming to destroy India or buggering goats, this is a step in right direction may be we should also supply Vaseline and cheap high speed Internet too.

How do we know the 500 MW is not going to be entirely diverted to their centrifuges?

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 15 Jun 2012 01:52

Sidd wrote:Video leak: Lucman, Bokhari run 'planted show' with Malik Riaz

you tube video

Even better version

Nadeem Paracha Tweets
Pakistan electronic media is a nudest colony pretending to be a clothing factory

Its a huge circus going on in pakland. judiciary, politicians, army and media , everyone is in bed with each other but they make it look like they are fighting.
this mubashir guy has a huge grudge against najam sethi and hamid mir. i have a strong gut feeling that he himself leaked this information.

BTW did u guys see the list of amount and media persons who malik riaz paid money. there are some big names including hasan nisar and najam sethi.
does that make malik riaz an RAW agent?

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 15 Jun 2012 02:03

by Ramay
Perhaps India should disband its army and give the defense budget directly to TSPA.

How about everybody in India (sikhs muslims, christians, hindus, buddhists, jains, bohras, ismailis, ahmadis) is slowly being molded towards converting to Deobandi/Wahabi islam and then Pakistan will join back to India to focus the energy towards other "Kafir Lands" with 3rd largest defense forces in the world.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Jun 2012 03:35

SBajwa wrote:
by Ramay
Perhaps India should disband its army and give the defense budget directly to TSPA.
How about everybody in India (sikhs muslims, christians, hindus, buddhists, jains, bohras, ismailis, ahmadis) is slowly being molded towards converting to Deobandi/Wahabi islam and then Pakistan will join back to India to focus the energy towards other "Kafir Lands" with 3rd largest defense forces in the world.

Only if the Paki eat grass for next 10 years , refrain from marrying sisters and speak the truth.

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 15 Jun 2012 03:51

Jhujar wrote:
Only if the Paki 1. eat grass for next 10 years ,2. refrain from marrying sisters 3.and speak the truth.

1 & 2 may be possible. I am not so sure about pt 3.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 15 Jun 2012 04:22

R-man

You are probably right. Apparently Groper's son and Nawaz are involved in it a big way. Seems everyone -- Judiciary, Politicians, Army, their sons uncles and aunts have banded together to screw the public over. In public they fight. In private it is a one huge lootfest.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Jun 2012 05:05

Anujan, If evryone is feeding from Malik Raiz's hands its clearly a covert op run by the guards only.
Now see the CJ vs Riaz fight and extrapolate where it will lead.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Jun 2012 05:23

Pakistan calls again for Forgiveness for Nato strike
Massa Mughe Muaff Karo, Mai Khassi huu

KABUL: Pakistan on Thursday called again for an apology for a Nato cross-border strike that killed two dozen of its soldiers last year before it considers reopening supply routes to foreign troops in Afghanistan.
Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar, speaking to reporters in the Afghan capital Kabul, also rejected reports that Pakistan was haggling with the United States over transportation fees for the supplies.“Pakistan still wants an unconditional apology and the reassurance that the Salala type of incident does not happen again,” she said, referring to the border area where the incident took place.The supply lines for goods shipped to the Pakistani port of Karachi and trucked to Afghanistan have been vital for US-led forces in their involvement in the landlocked country, a conflict now in its eleventh year.Now, the routes are seen as important for the withdrawal of most foreign troops from Afghanistan before the end of 2014.The United States has rebuffed Pakistan’s demands for an apology for the air strike in November and last week Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the United States was at the limits of its patience over the existence of safe havens for militants in Pakistan who were carrying out attacks in Afghanistan.Khar said Pakistan was not supporting any militant group and that it was doing whatever it could to advance the peace process in Afghanistan which she said must be “Afghan-led, Afghan-owned.”

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Jun 2012 05:28

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2012_pg3_6

Has Pakistan lost $ 68 billion? — Mohammad Naa-feesh

To consider Pakistan as a frontline state in the war on terror, in my opinion, is in itself a wrong assumption on our part. Ours is a country that is right in the midst of the war on terror and not one that is on the borderline of a country where the war on terror is going on. If you disagree, just name one leader of the al Qaeda or the Taliban that was found or killed in our neighbouring country, Afghanistan. Unfortunately, most of them have been found or killed in Pakistan. Even the founder of al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, was found hiding in Pakistan and was killed here. The terrorist attack on PNS Mehran and the US operation in Abbottabad have also revealed the level of penetration al Qaeda and the Taliban have gained inside the highly disciplined institution of our military. The options left with us are either to fight against terrorists or accept them as our ally and declare war against the US. We are in a situation where all roads lead to war. It is the ultimate result of the policies we pursued in the past and we cannot undo them without taking a firm stand against them. Instead of fighting this war on our own, we better be a part of the world community and make a resolve to clean the country of all sorts of extremism and terrorism that have taken root here. If the losses incurred in this war are more than what is normally accepted, we had better come up with solid and undeniable proofs. Making an unrealistic wish list as we did for the flood disaster last year is not going to work. Initially, we claimed that the flood-related losses and damages were around $ 45 billion. Later, a joint assessment by the World Bank and Asian Development Bank estimated it to be around $ 9.7 billion. The budget for 2011-2012 also carried Rs 855 billion (close to $ 10 billion) as flood-related losses.
The real losses of the war on terror are human lives and infrastructure. All other losses like uncertainty, decline in foreign investments, effects on trade, tourism, and other businesses are the result of the insecurity emanating from terrorists’ acts of violence and the weakening of the law and order situation. Even if we delink ourselves from our alliance with the US, the losses in the economic field are not going to be recovered. Therefore, the ball is in our court. Do we want to live with our extremists or the world community? Both have their own price tags along with their advantages and disadvantages. We are at a crossroads where our decisions are going to make or break this country. We have to take one or the other side. Sailing in two boats may not work anymore.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Jun 2012 05:33

Non Pakjabi hitting back

Centre scaring foreign investors away from Pakjab’

LAHORE - The adviser to Punjab CM Zulfiqar Khosa has said that the federal government has been scaring away foreign investors wanting to invest in Punjab.He said that wrong policies of the Centre forced the Turkish investors to wind up their projects, while the Chinese and Iranian investors too got disappointed. In a post-budget briefing at CM Secretariat, Zulfiqar Khosa termed the provincial budget pro-poor and reforms-oriented. He was accompanied by Finance Minister Mujtaba Shuja-ur-Rehman, finance secretary Tariq Bajwa and P&D Chairman Javed Aslam.He said the provincial government, first time in the history, has succeeded in utilising 80 per cent of the ADP during the concluding fiscal year 2011-12. Punjab could never exceed from 30 to 40 per cent consumption of the annual development funds.However, he did not mention that the government utilised 80 per cent of the revised ADP, which was in fact reduced by 36 per cent of the total ADP of Rs220 billion allocated in the budget 2011-12.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jun 2012 06:37

Communal riots with tanks is actually an expression that should not IMO be dismissed. You see most India Pakistan wars are treated as secular "territorial" wars. "Communal riot with tanks" at least is honest in hinting that there is a religious conflict issue here. Most secular views of india Pakistan wars tend to dismiss the Islamic irredentism and jihad factors and treat them as secular wars. It is a mistake to do that. Communal riot with tanks recognizes the religion rooted issue - but is "mildly secular" in not pinpointing the fact that it is essential an Islam war against kafirs. But it is better than hiding behind a secular excuse for war.

If someone could go back to the history of all india Pakistan wars - you will find that none of them is recorded as Muslim versus non Muslim. Yet we know damn well that this is exactly what those wars were about. Why hide from the "communal" angle - with communal being a secular word for "religion based"? What history are we trying to suppress? "Territorial war" is pseudosecualrism. Communal riot with tanks is more honest.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jun 2012 06:48

The problem is that only *one* side (i.e, Pakistan) sees it as a religion-based war. The other side, India, fights a territorial/secular war. The characterization is unfair to India.

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 15 Jun 2012 06:58

Very similar story to the one posted yesterday.

Two different individuals, both returning with their pakistani wives and kids.

Youth kidnapped by LeT returns to India from PoK

A youth, who was apparently kidnapped by LeT terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir and taken to PoK for arms training, escaped on Wednesday to the Indian side of the state along with his Pakistani wife and three children, seeking safety and shelter, officials said. Mukhtar Ahmed, aged 25,
crossed over to the Indian side from across the LoC and pleaded withthe army to allow him and his family to return to their village in Poonch district in Jammu and Kashmir.

"The family includes Ahmed, his wife Safia, 24 and three small children named Mavia Hussain, 6, Mohd Zabeer, 3, and Fatima, an infant of eight months. The family was in a bad condition and pleaded for shelter on the Indian side from the troops of Indian Army," Col. R.K. Palta, army spokesperson, said.

"The troops immediately extended food and first aid to the family," he said.
Mukhtar Ahmed told the troops that he belonged to village Hadi Marot of Surankot tehsil. He had been kidnapped by Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists and forcibly taken to Pakistan where he was forced to undergo training as a militant.

However, he escaped from the training camp and was leading a life of misery and poverty. Not being able to make ends meet and having no other alternative, he decided to return to his parent country.

"After giving humanitarian assistance to the family, the army authorities have now handed over the family to the district administration and civil police," the spokesman said.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jun 2012 07:48

abhishek_sharma wrote:The problem is that only *one* side (i.e, Pakistan) sees it as a religion-based war. The other side, India, fights a territorial/secular war. The characterization is unfair to India.

I see this as a secular defensive statement. We want to be seen as secular, so we insist on secularism. That tendency lays us open to religious war which we are unable to admit because we do not want to admit it.

We must first admit that it is religious war. Who started it comes next.

You see if when Babri Masjid fell it was characterized as Hindu screwing Muslim. But when Pakistan's entire existence, religious jihad and "moral and diplomatic" AK 47 support for Muslims in Kashmir is based on Islam, why do we hesitate to call a spade a spade? You do recall what the Paki terrorists in Mumbai said. Click here for the video. We are more pseudo than we give ourselves credit for.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jun 2012 08:00

>> We want to be seen as secular, so we insist on secularism.

We insist on secularism because we like secularism.

Pakis are waging a religious war. It does not imply that we will stoop to their level. Killing Pakis and their supporters is good enough. And this has nothing to do with pseudo-secularism. In this context, pseudo-secularism would entail white-washing or appeasing Pakis and their supporters.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jun 2012 08:04

abhishek_sharma wrote: We insist on secularism because we like secularism.

Pakis are waging a religious war. It does not imply that we will stoop to their level. Killing Pakis and their supporters is good enough. And this has nothing to do with pseudo-secularism. In this context, pseudo-secularism would entail white-washing or appeasing Pakis and their supporters.

May I take you up on the words "stoop to their level". Pakis have imposed on us a fait acompli. They pull us down to their level. We have no option but to admit that a religious war is being imposed on us. Denying that will get us nowhere. I see denial of even one sided Islamic religious motivation in India-Pakistan wars as a form of whitewashing. We have to openly accuse them of waging religious war, which is what they admit anyway.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Jun 2012 08:06

Youth kidnapped by LeT returns to India from PoK

OK, lets analyze these KM low lifes' "return to India story" (and mind you, once accepted by the authorities, many more who return will use the same bull crap story):

1. ....who was apparently kidnapped by LeT terrorists and forcibly taken to PoK for arms training....
2. ....escaped on Wednesday to the Indian side....
3. ....along with his Pakistani wife and three children...
4. ....seeking safety and shelter...
5. ....pleaded with the army to allow him and his family to return ...
6. ....The troops immediately extended food and first aid to the family....
7. ....However, he escaped from the training camp...
8. ....Leading a life of misery and poverty, not being able to make ends meet...
9. ....and having no other alternative, he decided to return to his parent country....

Sheesh! What a cock and bull story.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jun 2012 08:08

In any case, how does it make any difference? Let us assume that it is a religious war. So what? How is our performance/strategy going to change?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jun 2012 08:50

abhishek_sharma wrote:In any case, how does it make any difference? Let us assume that it is a religious war. So what? How is our performance/strategy going to change?

The government's strategy of befriending Pakistan is based exactly on denial of any religious colour to the conflict. I am surprised that there is opposition to the GoI's fine strategy, given that it is perfectly secular and remains perfectly blind to the religious war started by Pakistan. It is possible, and desirable to ignore the plight of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan and it is possible to mollycoddle the sypathizers of Azamgarh in order to uphold our secular credentials.

I see a kind of split personality of opinions where the government's strategy of friendship is criticized while we insist on denying the decidedly communal color of the conflict. Peace with Pakistan should not be made on Pakistan's terms. Pakistan's terms have been Islamist terms so far. We continue to deny that in the name of communal harmony and secularism.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jun 2012 08:54

AIR does not have recording of Jinnah's speech

A senior official said, ``We have looked for the speech but have not found it. There are two other recordings we have of Jinnah's speeches — both made in 1947— but they do not include any reference to a secular state as mentioned by PBC.''

I enjoyed that cheek-by-jowl reply from AIR, whether unintentioned or by design. Now, it is not even authentic anymore that Jinnah did indeed give such a 'secular speech'. That was the only time Jinnah is supposed to have made a 'secular speech' and even that has become very doubtful now. AoA.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 15 Jun 2012 09:04

anupmisra wrote:Youth kidnapped by LeT returns to India from PoK

OK, lets analyze these KM low lifes' "return to India story" (and mind you, once accepted by the authorities, many more who return will use the same bull crap story):

1. ....who was apparently kidnapped by LeT terrorists and forcibly taken to PoK for arms training....
2. ....escaped on Wednesday to the Indian side....
3. ....along with his Pakistani wife and three children...
4. ....seeking safety and shelter...
5. ....pleaded with the army to allow him and his family to return ...
6. ....The troops immediately extended food and first aid to the family....
7. ....However, he escaped from the training camp...
8. ....Leading a life of misery and poverty, not being able to make ends meet...
9. ....and having no other alternative, he decided to return to his parent country....

Sheesh! What a cock and bull story.

I know !!!

Where do the wife and the 3 little abdul pakis fit into his misery and poverty crap story ?
This is some real bullshit and I hope such two headed snakes are not allowed to come back and rot the country again.

PS - Guess what he would do if he was told that he would be allowed to come back to India with out his paki baggage , he would drop them like a hot pot of pindi channa

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jun 2012 09:13

>> The government's strategy of befriending Pakistan is based exactly on denial of any religious colour to the conflict

In that case, it is a pathetic position. Lack of religious color (from our side) to the conflict does not imply that we should not punish Pakis for their crimes. Preference for religion-free decision making should not be conflated with dhimmi policies.

Also note that GoI did not start its mohabbat until the elections were over in 2009. So the Azamgarh voting block has limited influence.

GoI has all kinds of lame excuses for its policies. You might have presented just one of them.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 15 Jun 2012 09:16

shiv wrote: The government's strategy of befriending Pakistan is based exactly on denial of any religious colour to the conflict. I am surprised that there is opposition to the GoI's fine strategy, given that it is perfectly secular and remains perfectly blind to the religious war started by Pakistan. It is possible, and desirable to ignore the plight of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan and it is possible to mollycoddle the sypathizers of Azamgarh in order to uphold our secular credentials.

I see a kind of split personality of opinions where the government's strategy of friendship is criticized while we insist on denying the decidedly communal color of the conflict. Peace with Pakistan should not be made on Pakistan's terms. Pakistan's terms have been Islamist terms so far. We continue to deny that in the name of communal harmony and secularism.

The government's strategy of befriending pakistan and making compromises for peace would be unsound even if this was a purely territorial conflict. You do not make compromises when negotiating with an enemy who has no hope in hell of defeating you in a military conflict.This defeats the very purpose of negotiating from a position of strength. It doesn't matter whether the conflict is religious or territorial.