The 2012 Olympics Thread

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 28 Jul 2012 14:31

Men's archery team loses in the tiebreaker 29-27 to Japan, after scoring 214 each .

Diju/Jwala lost to Ahmad/Natsir, the highest ranked pair in their group, who are ranked world #4 and this year's All England champions. They have 2 more group matches.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 28 Jul 2012 17:15

What's a good site to follow Indian team in the Olympics?

Gaurav_S · Post by **Gaurav_S** » 28 Jul 2012 18:13

Olympic debutant Kashyap beat Yuhan Tan of Belgium in straight games in the men's singles. Kashyap won 21-14, 21-12 in 38 minutes. It was the Indian's second win over Yuhan in three encounters.

Chinese have already took 1 gold and 1 bronze.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Jul 2012 18:21

Suraj wrote:Men's archery team loses in the tiebreaker 29-27 to Japan, after scoring 214 each .

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Saw the entire Indo-Japan archery shoot-off.

We really had it in our bag throughout with a 3 point lead since the first 3 shots. But, somehow we muffed up the last 3 shots and managed to tie a won game. The, in the tie-breaker, the Japanese turned it on with their first 2 shots being 10 which sealed it for them.

So near yet so far for our folks. Well played though

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Jul 2012 18:31

harbans wrote:GOI should spend Zilch for olympics. Nothing. These sports originate from gladiatorial conquests. If you are fat and strong, you'll be able to throw a fat iron ball further. The East Europeans will dominate that field because generations of beer drinking amongst a section of them make some stronger young ones epigenetically do it better than others. Just because West Africans spent millennium behind bushes with a Knife/ Spear and sprinting to kill prey like Deer/ Gazelle it will for generations give them an advantage over other races in sprint events. Just like Somalians, Kenyans, Ethiopians and other assorted East Africans spent millennia running major distances for food and water gave them epigenetically a larger hemoglobin carrying capacity they will win all major long distance events and dominate it even without the latest Nike sportswear or Govt support. Rest all Gymnastics and synchro swim events are made for Western nations that have the advantage of indoor pools and more for generations that others don't. Look at any marathon or long distance event..East Europeans dominate. Look at any finalist line up of sprint events..West Africans dominate. Look at hammer throw or shot put events and fat beer drinking progeny dominate. Look at the fancy events European dominate and they have some 80 gold medals waiting in events that most of the planet possibly has only heard of. Why waste time throwing a spear, an iron ball..

The only good thing about Modern olympics is that individuals try and break moulds, epigentic moulds. This should be about individual effort. Not Govt sponsored. India should not get into the Chinese, Soviet, East German ruthless approach to be more TFTA. It should find private sponsors for each olympics, send very large qualified contingents and be very happy with 1-2 or 3 medals. If more great. If not, smile and tell folks we adon't really make too much effort to be TFTA..we are happy being SDRE.

harbans ji,

I am sorry, but that is very defeatist thinking! Let's screw genetics! Olympics is about human will! ... and investment in those with human will!

Let's not use Dharmic hocus-pocus to kill the drive to win and excel among Indian people.

GoI should announce, that anybody who brings home an Olympic Gold Medal would get a pension for the rest of his life equal to that of a Secretary position in IAS, plus a job in the Sports Authority of India. And that is per Gold Medal in any Olympics. Depending on Gold Medals one can multiply! One can similar awards for other medals - Silver and Bronze.

This one time award plus a few advertisement spots is just not enough incentive.

GoI needs to give a lot of push! SDRE philosophical bhashans on this are really not very useful.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 28 Jul 2012 19:11

vijay kumar fails to qualify in 10m

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 28 Jul 2012 19:16

RajeshA wrote:GoI needs to give a lot of push! SDRE philosophical bhashans on this are really not very useful.

GOI gives a lot of push to secularism than sports. Is there a Sachar committe on Sports?

If SWRE Chinese can do it, so can SDRE Indians given good investment in sports (not with political and secular quotas)

My prediction: India - Gold 0 Silver 0 Bronze 1

habal · Post by **habal** » 28 Jul 2012 19:19

We will get 3-4 gold.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Jul 2012 19:25

imo we need to improve the sports culture and infra at high school level nationwide for the long term - not just for H&D dog and pony shows like the Olympics but overall benefits later in life - as in indics are far more susceptible to diabetes, BP and so on, plus gives the youth something to do than surfing the net and watching TV.

a first step toward this would be harmonize the state boards , ICSE, IB and CBSE curricula in india to give 20% marks in the 10th and 12th passout exams as well as every annual exam from GrI onward to sports - make it two sports or one sport - but should be a physical sports like running, gymnastics, basketball, football, swimming whatever the school can arrange for per the funds and interests. poor schools can atleast provide running, football and vollyball, while more chi chi schools might add basketball, swimming etc. CRICKET and CHESS type DO NOT QUALIFY. in cricket the only guys who work seriously hard as routine are fast bowlers, rest do it as per interest.

we will see the benefits in decade as far more talented pool comes into the picture...taking that and fashioning world champions would be easier.

this is what the developed countries did over a few decades...made sports part and parcel of life.

the other extreme is the chinese/east german/soviet model - we dont want to go there and some of the "techniques" like widespread doping and child abuse of kids being groomed for olympic glory from a tender age will not fly here.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 19:41

Why can't our Olympic committee (which was headed by Kalmadi before) lobby to include indian sports like Kabaddi, Kho Kho, Indian style wrestling, and other such Desi sports?

Why didn't we made protest when western countries lobbied to move over to Astroturf in Hockey and we lost our grass advantage?

The problem is not the people but leaders/managers/administration!!! Indian people are as strong as the rest of the world it is the leaders in charge.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 19:44

I need to revise my prediction!! I say that if we repeat our last olympic tally we are lucky! that is 1 gold 2 bronze.
3-4 golds are out of question!!! We just one the first Individual Gold in 2008 Beijing and 3-4 gold in 2012 is totally out of question!!

I blame the cricket culture for this problem with other spots in India!!!

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 19:47

A very simple and effective way is to follow the U.S model of sports.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Jul 2012 19:47

^^Why this pessimism just 1 day into the games?

And then we blame all our netas, leaders etc for not having confidence in Desh and not being bold enough etc...

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 19:52

Boxer Shiv Thapa (56 KG) loses to Mexico Oscar Fierro Valdez in the first round. 9-14

member_23367 · Post by **member_23367** » 28 Jul 2012 20:03

Singha wrote:imo we need to improve the sports culture and infra at high school level nationwide for the long term - not just for H&D dog and pony shows like the Olympics but overall benefits later in life - as in indics are far more susceptible to diabetes, BP and so on, plus gives the youth something to do than surfing the net and watching TV.

a first step toward this would be harmonize the state boards , ICSE, IB and CBSE curricula in india to give 20% marks in the 10th and 12th passout exams as well as every annual exam from GrI onward to sports - make it two sports or one sport - but should be a physical sports like running, gymnastics, basketball, football, swimming whatever the school can arrange for per the funds and interests. poor schools can atleast provide running, football and vollyball, while more chi chi schools might add basketball, swimming etc. CRICKET and CHESS type DO NOT QUALIFY. in cricket the only guys who work seriously hard as routine are fast bowlers, rest do it as per interest.

we will see the benefits in decade as far more talented pool comes into the picture...taking that and fashioning world champions would be easier.

this is what the developed countries did over a few decades...made sports part and parcel of life.

the other extreme is the chinese/east german/soviet model - we dont want to go there and some of the "techniques" like widespread doping and child abuse of kids being groomed for olympic glory from a tender age will not fly here.

+1

Firstly,The SAI has to be overhauled. We have coaches in SAI who are very old and incompetent. They get in by the way of influence only and capability wise they are Zilch. When I was in High School,our school was a recognised SAI training facility. I was in the school Soccer team. The coach was potbellied guy who could hardly run. IMO the best talents in sports shoul be tapped in Middle School. In India sports in any field has been highly politicised.All we think is Money,Money and More money.Be it Politicians,sportsmen,bueracrats,education,health,Religion you can go on and on.It is just not immpossible for a country of 1.2 bil to produce 100 top class atheletes. Politics has corroded this country into being unproductive.
Same was the case with baseball.I was in the state Baseball team and had been to Rohtak to participate in National Baseball Championship.This was in the late 80's.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 20:55

Vijender in 75KB/165lbs bantam weight boxing Playing suzhanov Kazakhstan at 5:30 PM EST.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 20:56

Sania Mirza and Rushmi Chakarvarti playing women's double at 12:30 pm EST against Taiwan.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 28 Jul 2012 21:02

jwala/ashwini loose

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 22:03

Table tennis Saumyojit Ghosh clears the round of 32 by defeating the Brazilian player.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 22:29

Sania Mirza and Rushmi Chakarvarti playing bad (1-4) now serving against Taiwan.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 22:33

Soniya Chanu 7th (not bad) in Women's weightlifting (171 kg) 48kg (106 lbs)

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 22:40

Indian Army sepoy Swarn Singh Virk (men's single sculls timings of 6:54:06) almost made it to the quarter finals but in his heat all of his competitors were good (6:42, 6:46: 6:51) In other heats some with timings of 7:15 qualified to quarter finals. Now he will have another try with repechage on Sunday.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 28 Jul 2012 22:42

USA pull off a shocker in men's team archery beating the Koreans in the semis. Final vs Italy.

Chanu hasn't shown much improvement from 2010 CWG, where she won silver with 167kg combined . This time she lifted 171kg. Winner was 205kg.

PS: When people report win or loss could you please mention context ? A group match is different from an elimination round.

Rant: the broadcasting of events at this Olympics has been terrible. I enjoy cycling, and the road race event has ZERO data on who is in the breaks being shown. With everyone in their national colors, you can't easily tell who is who. The commentary is crap and there are no graphics. Beijing was WAY better in this event.

On the bright side, the same event saw massively overhyped British hopes land flat on their face - they stated that world road race champion and home boy Mark Cavendish already had the medal in his hand, but he finished 45 or something while a 38-year old Kazakh took gold!

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 23:00

After losing the first set 6-1 S Mirza and R Chakarvarthi wins the second set 6-3 against Taiwan girls.
and taiwan gets the first two games in third set

. and Sania/Rushmi are out of the women double.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 28 Jul 2012 23:04

I am not sure where you are watching but if you want to watch events online and live in USA/Canada then you can simple go to nbcolympics.com and watch online (pick you subscriber dish/whatever enter login/password) and watch them online. This is much better for people in USA/Canada who like to watch Indian sports! Beijing in that regards was absolutely garbage!! I watched archery and commentary was decent!

nakul · Post by **nakul** » 28 Jul 2012 23:20

For the unwashed abduls:

http://www.youtube.com/olympic

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 29 Jul 2012 00:43

China looks more dominating than Beijing this time around... Might top the table

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 29 Jul 2012 00:50

kshatriya wrote:China looks more dominating than Beijing this time around... Might top the table

Jo jeeta wohi Sikandar

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 29 Jul 2012 03:15

Vijender Singh defeats Danabed Suzkanov of Kazakhstan 14-10 in 75KB boxing and advances to the round of 16. Vijender will meat Terell Gausha of Cleveland, USA in this round on 2nd august.

http://www.london2012.com/athlete/gaush ... l-1132937/

Terell Gausha is a first time olympian but has been boxing since he was 10 years old. In his first match he was losing to
Andranik Hakobyan of Armenia (8-7) when suddenly Terell knocked down Andranik two times and thus Referee stopped contest and Terell advances.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 29 Jul 2012 03:28

Indian women Archery team will be facing Denmark tomorrow at 4:00 AM EST.

Heena Sidhu and Annuraj singh will be in 10m Air pistol shooting at 4:00 AM EST.

Jai Bhagwan will be facing Allisop Andrique of Seychells tomorrow at 9:30 AM EST in 60kg lightweight.

Paes/Vardhan will be facing Neatherlands Hase Robin and Roger Jean at 2:30 PM EST in Men's Tennis Double.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 29 Jul 2012 07:05

Is it true that except for British atheletes, non of the other athelete;s quarters have AC??

in effing European summers???

how does the IOC allow such third rate facilities?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Jul 2012 09:20

the cycling course was downright dangerous in parts with sharp corners where people crashed. the road surface also looked far from as smooth as the one in tour de france.
the british countryside has a overgrown weedy rambling look with old homes cheek to cheek in built up areas....but on the +ve side they have lots of good grassy meadows.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Jul 2012 09:23

countries like usa, italy, bartania and france seem to have become world level gymnastic powers while old powers like russia, rumania, soko and japan are fading away.

niran · Post by **niran** » 29 Jul 2012 10:53

Vijender Singh has developed a lightening quick upper cut, he would open up with his seemingly useless jabs
and when the opponent sensing came in for the kill would get a nasty surprise, onlee if Vijender develops
super quick feet to withdraw from the counter attack he would deny them opportunity to score.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 29 Jul 2012 11:21

The gymnastics venue looks pretty gloomy. While the surface is well lit, the ceilings are so dark, it's disconcerting when the cameras pan up and down. Looks pretty unglamorous.

Meanwhile, the issues continue:
Empty seats at venues prompt investigation

Thousands of glaringly empty VIP seats at supposedly sold-out events -- including swimming and tennis -- during the first full morning of Olympic competitions has prompted the London Organizing Committee of the Olympic and Paralympic Games (LOCOG) to launch an investigation. It was especially upsetting to fans, who were unable to buy tickets because the vacancies weren't available to for public purchase. The prized seats included some of the best viewing areas, which were set aside for "Olympic family." In this case, family includes: national governing bodies, sponsors, athletes, IOC officials and media.

"We are aware that some venues have empty seats this morning. We believe the empty seats are in accredited seating areas, and we are in the process of finding out who should have been in the seats and why they weren't there," a spokesperson for LOCOG said.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Jul 2012 11:33

to give some credit to bartanaia, without recourse to the bulldozer approach of the chinese, they have managed to get things ready on time and keep things running without a major issue - so far.
perhaps londonistan being a big international air hub, conference venue, tourism mecca and largest (and only) megacity in bartain means a lot of things other places struggle with like transport, media handling, putting up large temporary venues, hotels, airports were already scaled in and proven within the framework with no need for a huge olympics related buildout...

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 29 Jul 2012 12:22

^^Sorry but no sympathy for Bartania. I still remember their uppity snide remarks during CWG. They can stew in their failures for all I care.

In other news, ex-student of mine wins gold - I know I should have retained his final exam papers for future eBay auction

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 29 Jul 2012 13:00

Vijender Singh ...has a very tough fight next...against Terell Gausha

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 29 Jul 2012 13:29

India vs Denmark archery womens team
Set 1: India wins 52-51
Set 2: Denmark wins 56-51
Set 3: Denmark wins 53-52
Set 4: India wins 55-51

Final score
Denmark 211
India 210

I hope set 2 doesn't cost us the match. Swuro is shooting badly. Deepika is consistent.

Set 2 ruined it, as expected. Giving a 5 point lead in one set at this level is never going to cut it. We shot more tens (6 vs 5) and more Xs (3 vs 1), but we also shot a bunch of 6s and 7s. This team can win medals at the CWG or Asian level, but not at Olympic level without 2 more Deepika's.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 29 Jul 2012 13:42

^^ watched vijender yesterday in the round of 32. Created mini India with loud cheers. Supported us boxers in their fight and forced noisy us crowd to Cheer for vijender later

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Indian support was terrific. Saw some second generation kids cheering for India which make me felt, India will live forever in the hearts of it's people wherever they are. Will post some pics of vijender up from close range.
Atmosphere was electric in the arena. Every single ticket was sold out which generally happens for finals only. Next us fighter is a tough chap for vijender, if he manages to outgun, I am betting for top 1,2 finish for vijender.
I really don't know why India loves cricket. Boxing in 10 x times more exciting and entertaining to watch. We should glamorise and show big bucks in boxing to get youngsters involved.