Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Oct 4 2012

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 25 Nov 2012 20:52

Pakjabis will not by themselves fall out of love with TSPA. they need external stimulus and encouragement to do so.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 25 Nov 2012 21:39

devesh wrote:Pakjabis will not by themselves fall out of love with TSPA. they need external stimulus and encouragement to do so.

Devesh, the Pakjabi fondness for the military is eroding, both at the mass and elite levels, and among beards and RAPEs alike. That is how the Chief Justice has emerged as a rival power centre, and why the PA for example has not been able to get rid of Zardari in a coup already. In ten years the PA's position will be even worse.

The number one challenge to the Pakjabis at the level of the masses is its relationship with the Americans while the US sodomizes Pakistani sovereignty. Its been going on for a decade with no end in sight.

The number two is the weak response of the military to natural disasters like the floods and earthquakes. In an era of climatic instability you can be sure this is something that will happen again and again.

The number three trailing is the educated elite's slow dawning recognition that military driven under-investment in human capital -health and education- is the biggest reason that India has left Pakistan behind in the dust in terms of wealth and power. As the gap with India grows and the threat from the fundamentalists grows, elite disenchantment with PA domination of the budget will also rise.

The number four thing is how bad the PA is at counter-insurgency. Its not very discriminate in blowing things up and killing people, and very bad at rebuilding services and governance. The Swat story is probably going to be repeated in a few years in southern Punjab.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 25 Nov 2012 21:39

Remember TFT's "Nuggets from the Urdu Press" column, which used to bebe quite popular on this thread?

Just came across this nugget: The column used to be translated by Aakar Patel, who refers to himself as a "Hindu bigot".

http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/plXBuc7 ... amine.html

member_23252 · Post by **member_23252** » 25 Nov 2012 22:42

Brit MP and ex-defence minister wants 'neutron bomb' exploded in Pak border

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 25 Nov 2012 23:59

A_Rai wrote:Brit MP and ex-defence minister wants 'neutron bomb' exploded in Pak border

I'll suggest , it be done in Pindi than the border areas.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 26 Nov 2012 00:10

Wonder what happened to Aakar sahib... My blood used to boil after reading his stuff. Now he seems like a BRF approved RAW agent

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Nov 2012 01:10

Chinmayanand wrote:
A_Rai wrote:Brit MP and ex-defence minister wants 'neutron bomb' exploded in Pak border
I'll suggest , it be done in Pindi than the border areas.

Bumm Swallowing Green robe wearing Isamic Djinns and Dervesh do air patrol over the area to protect Allah's very own Pakhanstan. How does the Brit MP plan to neutralize their air cover to drop the Bumb? It is better to spread the plague virus after Brain eating bacteria failed to find food in Poaqnoqiostan.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 26 Nov 2012 01:51

Chinmayanand wrote:
A_Rai wrote:Brit MP and ex-defence minister wants 'neutron bomb' exploded in Pak border
I'll suggest , it be done in Pindi than the border areas.

Well, the border has come close to Isloo anyway, so...

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 26 Nov 2012 16:34

SENIOR JOURNALIST AND GEO NEWS ANCHOR HAMID MIR ESCAPES ATTEMPT ON HIS LIFE

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2012 17:29

TTP rejects peace talsk with Pakistani Government

The Pakistani Taliban has ruled out any possibility of peace negotiations with the Pakistani government, a spokesman for the banned militant group said Monday, vowing to continue fighting until the ouster of the country’s ‘secular rulers’.

Reacting to a statement by Federal Interior Minister issued Sunday, a spokesman for the banned Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) Ehsanullah Ehsan rejected any prospects of peace talks with the government, accusing the interior minister Malik of being “a foreign agent not worthy of granting forgiveness to the Taliban”.

The TTP spokesman further said that the organisation would continue their fighting until “the ouster of secular rulers imposed by foreign forces to rule an Islamic country”, adding that the TTP was striving for the creation of “an independent state governed by Islamic Sharia law, upon which the foundations of Pakistan were laid”.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 26 Nov 2012 17:49

Bomb recovered under Pakistan journalist Hamid Mir’s car

Geo News reported that Hamid Mir had gone to a market in his car and after returning home, the driver spotted a suspicious bag under his car.

The bomb disposal squad was immediately called in to remove the bag after which it was revealed that the bag contained half a kilogram of explosive material.

Mir had visited Islamabad’s F-7 area earlier today where it is suspected the explosives had been planted under his vehicle. The explosives reportedly did not detonate due to faulty wiring.

It seems its a warning call to Mir, if not who would place a bag visibly under car that too with faulty wiring.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2012 18:07

It appears to be a warning call. The TTP normally finish off their cutlet; they don't believe in unnecessary and wasteful warning shots across the bow etc. By the process of elimination, this warning has come from the PA. They gave similar warning to Syed Saleem Shehzad which went unheeded and he paid the price. The PA has a perfect alibi now as the TTP has recently vowed to take action against the media men. The blame will be shifted to them. The TTP has a tendency to claim credit even when it is not due to them and they may therefore even go ahead and accept it.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 26 Nov 2012 21:29

In that country where perp and victims exchange positions hourly, who knows, maybe the guy himself planted the device.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Nov 2012 21:46

joygoswami wrote:SENIOR JOURNALIST AND GEO NEWS ANCHOR HAMID MIR ESCAPES ATTEMPT ON HIS LIFE

Didn't he make the famous statement that he hated qadianis more than Hindus? And got col imam into trouble by insinuating he was sarkari ?

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 26 Nov 2012 22:14

He went to the tribal areas and made once again public what was a well known fact that those areas were not under the control of the Pakistani state. The army might have a supari out for him.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 26 Nov 2012 22:58

For the longest time, I thought that Hamid Mir was very closely associated with the Pak Fauj and the ISI.
That was the begining of his career as a TV journalist. He used to produce programs which would lecture India on Kashmir, and taunt India.
He became high profile after he interviewed Osama.
The question I ask is that a little known journalist can't walk in and meet the ISI's blue eyed boy.

See how the fortunes of people change. There is a new ISI chief and a new Army Chief in Pakistan, and Hamid Mir is out of favour.

I don't think the TTP is involved here, either the ISI or Hamid Mir creating a scene.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Nov 2012 06:17

Verily Very NSFW
Salala Style Negotiation!

The Art of Fart Between Poaq and Unkal Orr Holy Arab and Poaq

habal · Post by **habal** » 27 Nov 2012 08:49

in my humble opinion, he should now seek canadian vija

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2012 09:12

We can see one thing clearly emerge in the Hamid Mir episode. TSP is now well and truly torn between the PA/ISI and the TTP across the entire country. The TTP has so far not taken on the Islamist jihadi proxies of the PA/ISI such as the LeT. The PA/ISI is nervously clinging on to the duppatta of the LeT to ward off the TTP. A time will come, Insha Alla'h soon enough, when the LeT will be also wiped out by the bad Taliban. The PA/ISI will have nowhere to hide at that time. One can expect the PA Generals to do what they do best when defeat stares at them, downhill skiing. However, the bad Taliban would not accept the turncoat PA Generals and they would be strung from lamp posts all over Rawalpindi. The likes of Hamid Gul & Aslam Beg cannot expect to escape the onslaught by the purest of the pure just because they are currently mentoring them. They will meet the same fate as Col. Imam and Sq. Ldr. Khwaja. The real tsunami will be the bad Taliban, not the Imran Khan tsunami.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 27 Nov 2012 09:22

More Maliknamas. Lots of "ifs" and "butts". If wishes were horses....pakis would be inter-galactic supermen.

Malik offers amnesty to banned groups

the government was ready to give a general amnesty for all proscribed organisations, including Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, if they renounced terrorism

If proscribed organisations agree to cooperate with the government and give up terrorism

It was time for Hakimullah Mehsud, whether he was physically fit or suffering from any disability, to apologise to the nation and stop playing into the hands of anti-Pakistan forces

an opportunity for Hakimullah Mehsud to stop killing of innocent people and live a peaceful life

Hakimullah don’t hide in one bunker or another

I announce a general amnesty for you if you stop killing innocent people.

He said the government had evidence that the banned Lashkar-i-Jhangvi organisation was involved in targeted killings

If Veena malik would agree to become my ......Wait! That's part of another Malik fantasy

If the paki goberment had evidence against saeed's LeJ, why dont they show some mardiness and arrest him?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2012 09:53

anupmisra wrote:Malik offers amnesty to banned groups
He said the government had evidence that the banned Lashkar-i-Jhangvi organisation was involved in targeted killings
If the paki goberment had evidence against saeed's LeJ, why dont they show some mardiness and arrest him?

Anup Misra, you are clearly a kafir and a blasphemer. How dare you call for action against LeJ (not Saeed's LeT, by the way).
Do you know anything about LeJ's glorious pedigree ?

It was created in 1996 as a breakaway faction of SSP (no less) by three of the greatest Islamist jihadists that Pakistan has produced, Malik Ishaque, Riaz Basra, and Akram Lahori. Do you know anything about the heroic exploits of these great Islamists, you Kafir ? How can you kafir be expected to know anything about this takfir-salafi LeJ ? Let me educate you.

Riaz Basra embraced martyrdom from the kafir state of Pakistan but, Insha Alla'h, Malik Ishaque and Akram Lahori continue to guide the faithful momin of LeJ in the path of Alla'h and jihad. Riaz Basra assassinated Iran’s Consul General in Lahore, Sadiq Gangi, in December, 1990 and later Iranian diplomat Mohammad Ali Rahimi in Multan in 1994. He was arrested on June 5, 1992 but escaped from police custody on April 30, 1994. Basra was helped in the assassination of Sadeq Ganji by an ISI official named Athar, a low-level official from the Pakistan Air Force. Both Ishaque & Lahori were incarcerated but the Lahore High Court, May Alla'h's Blessings be Always Upon It, saw how they were innocent and were simply following whatever is ordained by religion and has released them, Alla'h be Praised.

Malik Ishaque has been acquitted in 34 cases and given bail in the remaining 10 cases. He spent 14 years facing charges related to murder and other terrorist acts. He was set free in July 2011 but was detained under ‘house arrest’ which was only in name because he was freely moving about with impunity. The State has extended his detention in the ‘interests of public order’ under the ‘Maintenance of Public Order Ordinance’. However, on Jan. 20, 2012, the Review Board of the Lahore High Court refused to detain him any further under ‘house arrest’ and set him free. On the very same day, he was nominated in an FIR registered against his alleged involvement in the recent Khanpur blast killing 18 Shias. He has been accused in the 2002 kidnapping and murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl, twin assassination attempts on Gen. Musharraf in c. 2003, murder of the MQM MPA Raza Haider and the Mastung massacre and the attack on Sri Lankan cricketers in Lahore on Mar. 3, 2009. A true Islamist. Allah-o-Akbar.

Akram Lahori was released by the Punjab High Court for lack of any evidence in May 2010. Akram Lahori was the salar-e-aala (or, Emir) until he was arrested. During the time he was incarcerated, another great Islamist jihadist Qari Mohammed Zafar, was the acting chief of LeJ.

LeJ was behind the assassination of two US Consulate officials in Karachi in March, 1995; attempt of Nawaz Sharif on Jan 3, 1999 in Lahore. LeJ is also involved in the murder of Daniel Pearl (WSJ reporter) {Attaur Rehman alias Naeem Bukhari, who was arrested in Karachi in June 2007 in connection with Pearl's murder in 2002 is also a key Lashkar-e-Jhangvi militant}, two attempts on Gen. Musharraf and one on Prime Minister Abdul Aziz, the July 2006 London airlines plot, the attack on US Consulate in March 2006, and the spectacular Marriott bombing in Islamabad in Sep. 2008. Qari Mohammed Zafar (not to be confused with Qari Hussain Mehsud, aka Ustad-e-Fidayeen, of TTP who trains suicide bombers), a key member of LeJ co-ordinated closely with Al Qaeda and the Taliban. He carried a $5 Million reward on his head and had been seen along with TTP Amir Hakeemullah Mehsud. The TTP announced Qari Zafar’s death in a US drone attack at Dargah Mandi in North Waziristan on Feb. 24, 2010. Qari Zafar was the mastermind of attacks on a Special Investigation Unit (SIU) office in Model Town Lahore, Marriot Hotel, FIA building and American consulate in Karachi. He was under the custody of Punjab’s Special Investigation Unit but escaped in October 2007. Qari Zafar worked in close cooperation with Qari Hussain Mehsud, the Ustad-e-Fidayeen.

Now, do you understand that LeJ is the sword-arm of the bad Taliban in the 'settled areas' of Pakistan ? How dare you ask Rehman Malik saheb to act against LeJ ?

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 27 Nov 2012 10:22

Wasn't Hamid Mir the one who interviewed Kasab's family in his village? This shut the mouths of all kasab ij amar singh school of ZH'sque ppl. Perhaps this overenthusiasm was not kosher with TSPA.

kish · Post by **kish** » 27 Nov 2012 13:59

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'Van cylinder blast'

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 27 Nov 2012 14:08

anupmisra wrote:More Maliknamas. Lots of "ifs" and "butts". If wishes were horses....pakis would be inter-galactic supermen.

Malik offers amnesty to banned groups

Will he offer amnesty to ISI if it renounces terrorism ? Will he offer amnesty to the drones if they denounce terrorism against good taliban ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2012 15:58

Karbala & How Lahore was Involved - Op Ed in DAWN

Historical accounts say seven brave warriors from Lahore died while fighting in the Battle of Karbala. It is said their father Rahab Dutt, an old man who traded with Arabia in those days, had promised the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) to stand by his grandson in his fight to uphold the truth.

That pledge the brave Rajput Mohiyals of the Dutt clan from Lahore upheld.

Today they are known as Hussaini Brahmins, who lived in Lahore till 1947.

Let me begin the story of the Dutts by going through the record of the Shaukat Khanum Hospital and the recorded fact that Indian film star Sunil Dutt, who belonged to Lahore, made a donation to the hospital and recorded the following words: ‘For Lahore, like my elders, I will shed every drop of blood and give any donation asked for, just as my ancestors did when they laid down their lives at Karbala for Hazrat Imam Husain.

Makes you think -but then there is this account which says that the seven sons of Rahab Dutt lost their lives defending the Imam at Karbala. The Martyr’s List at Qum verifies this. History records when the third thrust by Yazid’s forces came, the Dutt brothers refused to let them pass. The seven Punjabi swordsmen stood their ground till they were felled by hundreds of horsemen. In lieu of the loyalty of the Dutt family to that of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) was coined the famous saying: ‘Wah Dutt Sultan, Hindu ka dharm, Musalman ka iman, Adha Hindu adha Musalman.’ Since then, so the belief goes, Muslims were instructed never to try to convert the Dutts to Islam.

A grieving Rahab returned to the land of his ancestors, and after staying in Afghanistan, returned to Lahore. I have tried my very best to locate their ‘mohallah’ inside the Walled City, and my educated guess is that it is Mohallah Maulian inside Lohari Gate. Later they moved to Mochi Gate, and it was there that the famous Dutts lived before 1947 saw them flee from the hate of the people they gave everything for.

The most interesting thing about the Hussaini Brahmins is that they are highly respected among Hindus, and even more amazingly it is said that all direct ancestors of Rahab Dutt are born with a light slash mark on their throat, a sort of symbol of their sacrifice. I was reading a piece by Prof Doonica Dutt of Delhi University who verified this claim and said that all true Dutts belong to Lahore.

I must point out to an amazing version of these events that an Indian historian, Chawala, has come up with. It says that one of the wives of Hazrat Imam Husain, the Persian princess Shahr Banu, was the sister of Chandra Lekha or Mehr Banu, the wife of an Indian king Chandragupta. We know that he ruled over Lahore. When it became clear that Yazid ibn Muawiya was determined to eliminate Hussain ibn Ali, the son of Hussain (named Ali) rushed off a letter to Chandragupta asking for assistance. The Mauriyan king, allegedly, dispatched a large army to Iraq to assist. By the time they arrived, the Tragedy of Karbala had taken place.

In Kufa in Iraq a disciple of Hazrat Imam Husain is said to have arranged for them to stay in a special part of the town, which even today is known by the name of Dair-i-Hindiya or ‘the Indian quarter’ The Hussaini Brahmins believe that in the Kalanki Purana, the last of 18 Puranas, as well as the Atharva Veda, the 4th Veda, refers to Hazrat Imam Husain as the avatar of the Kali Yug, the present age. They believe that the family of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him)is Om Murti, the most respected family before the Almighty.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2012 16:00

AoA, as expected.

TTP accepts responsibility for attack bid on Hamid Mir

Speaking to Dawn.com on Tuesday, Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan claimed responsibility for the attempt to attack senior journalist Hamid Mir a day earlier and warned of more attacks on anyone pursuing the secular agenda.

Ehsan said that Mir was following a secular agenda and was helping those who were working against the principles of Islam adding that their organisation would continue to target all those who were becoming party to propagation against ‘jihad’.

The spokesman of the Pakistani Taliban further said that those targeting the Taliban would be targeted with explosives.

member_23651 · Post by **member_23651** » 27 Nov 2012 16:06

SSridhar wrote:Karbala & How Lahore was Involved - Op Ed in DAWN
Historical accounts say seven brave warriors from Lahore died while fighting in the Battle of Karbala. It is said their father Rahab Dutt, an old man who traded with Arabia in those days, had promised the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) to stand by his grandson in his fight to uphold the truth.

That pledge the brave Rajput Mohiyals of the Dutt clan from Lahore upheld.

Today they are known as Hussaini Brahmins, who lived in Lahore till 1947.

Let me begin the story of the Dutts by going through the record of the Shaukat Khanum Hospital and the recorded fact that Indian film star Sunil Dutt, who belonged to Lahore, made a donation to the hospital and recorded the following words: ‘For Lahore, like my elders, I will shed every drop of blood and give any donation asked for, just as my ancestors did when they laid down their lives at Karbala for Hazrat Imam Husain........

Bali Dutt Lau Chibber Vaid Mohan Bakshi Mehta All are part of Mohyal Brahmin Community. Only the Dutts are knows as Husseini Brahmins
Bhai Mati Das/Bhai Sati Das were Mohyal Brahmins who sacrificed tehir lives aling with Guru Teg Bahadur, though Khalistani propaganda deny this. Its said that it was against the Mohyal Brahmin king of Sindh, the Jats formed an alliance with Mohammed Bin Qasim, which lead to first successful invasion

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Nov 2012 16:50

Isnt a famous Television news personality also from this community.

chandrabhan · Post by **chandrabhan** » 27 Nov 2012 16:51

SSridhar wrote:Karbala & How Lahore was Involved - Op Ed in DAWN
Historical accounts say seven brave warriors from Lahore died while fighting in the Battle of Karbala. It is said their father Rahab Dutt, an old man who traded with Arabia in those days, had promised the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) to stand by his grandson in his fight to uphold the truth.

That pledge the brave Rajput Mohiyals of the Dutt clan from Lahore upheld.... The Hussaini Brahmins believe that in the Kalanki Purana, the last of 18 Puranas, as well as the Atharva Veda, the 4th Veda, refers to Hazrat Imam Husain as the avatar of the Kali Yug, the present age. They believe that the family of the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him)is Om Murti, the most respected family before the Almighty.

I am a Mohiyal or what is called ‘Dutt Brahmin’. We are not Rajputs by a stretch and fall under Bavanjaayi Saraswat Brahmins. Our ancestors have always lived in Islamic lands and none of the Gotra, total of 16 fall under Dutt Brahmins (except Gakkars) converted. We are not ‘karma kandi Brahmins’, we are ‘Shashtradhari brahmins, we wield weapon.
The famous of the clan are Maj Somnath Sharma (Param veer Chakra), Sunil Dutt, Ajay Raj Sharma (Ex Delhi Police commissioner)
Rahab did not return to Lahore, he and our ancestors stayed in Iraq’s Basra for centureis before moving to SIndh and then Peshawar & Jammu and later to modern day Kanpur & Parts of Punjab/Haryana.
Lahore as a city may have a few Gakkars who converted.

chandrabhan · Post by **chandrabhan** » 27 Nov 2012 16:52

Aditya_V wrote:Isnt a famous Television news personality also from this community.

Yup she is

member_23651 · Post by **member_23651** » 27 Nov 2012 17:08

Aditya_V wrote:Isnt a famous Television news personality also from this community.

indeed she is... Burkha Dutt..

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 27 Nov 2012 17:17

Sridhar ji,
How does this relationship between the TTP, ISI, Mullah Omar work?
Faisal shahzad - the times square bomber was in a video with Hakimulla Mehsud, and he said that he was doing the bombing on the instructions of Hakimulla who answers to Mullah Omar.
Hillary Clinton warned Pakistan (presumably the ISI), and lo and behold, there have been no attacks on the US mainland.
What happened?
ISI told TTP not to attack the US mainland? And the TTP heeded?
If the ISI & TTP are so close, why is the TTP attacking Pakistan?
I think it is because the ISI uses these guys and then arrests them depending on exigencies.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 27 Nov 2012 17:57

kish wrote:[url=xhtttp://www.brecorder.com/top-news/1-front-top- ... last-.html]Seven killed, four injured in van cylinder blast [/url]

'Van cylinder blast'

See, this wouldn't happen if the paki water car ungineer had been given his due.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2012 18:50

Gagan wrote: How does this relationship between the TTP, ISI, Mullah Omar work?
. . .
ISI told TTP not to attack the US mainland? And the TTP heeded?
If the ISI & TTP are so close, why is the TTP attacking Pakistan?
I think it is because the ISI uses these guys and then arrests them depending on exigencies.

Gagan, I wrote this sometime back. I may be completely wrong but this is what I believe.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 27 Nov 2012 18:55

SSridhar wrote:We can see one thing clearly emerge in the Hamid Mir episode. TSP is now well and truly torn between the PA/ISI and the TTP across the entire country. The TTP has so far not taken on the Islamist jihadi proxies of the PA/ISI such as the LeT. The PA/ISI is nervously clinging on to the duppatta of the LeT to ward off the TTP. A time will come, Insha Alla'h soon enough, when the LeT will be also wiped out by the bad Taliban. The PA/ISI will have nowhere to hide at that time. One can expect the PA Generals to do what they do best when defeat stares at them, downhill skiing. However, the bad Taliban would not accept the turncoat PA Generals and they would be strung from lamp posts all over Rawalpindi. The likes of Hamid Gul & Aslam Beg cannot expect to escape the onslaught by the purest of the pure just because they are currently mentoring them. They will meet the same fate as Col. Imam and Sq. Ldr. Khwaja. The real tsunami will be the bad Taliban, not the Imran Khan tsunami.

SS, very informative and interesting observation. But my question is this. Apart from this Mir episode, have we seen any other instance where TTP has taken on the TSPA/ISI proxies like pigLeTs? Question also is to what extent pigLeTs are beholden to TSPA/ISI, and what are the fundamental differences between pigLeTs and TTP. In other words, like the TSPA.ISI who worship the mighty $, wine, and Hindu/white women, are the pigLeTs also in the same mould are are they "pure" like TTP? I know Hafeez pig makes a big deal about Islam, but is himself as pure as the pure thoughts that he preaches to foot soldiers like Kesab, or is he as Isalmic as Mushrat? Thus, but for their closeness to TSPA/ISI, would TTP have another divergence with pigLeTs? I want to see the bad Taliban and the good Taliban join hands and take on TSPA/ISI. A long time ago, I had a conversation with an Afghani who said the same thing, namely, Pashtoons will take on the Pakijabis, but they need support.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 27 Nov 2012 19:06

The optimistic scenario is that the various distillate of pure decimate the less pure, which includes the PA and ISI...and finally consume each other....while destroying what if left of paki economy. Fir this constant pressure from uncle as well as silence by GOI is required...

The nightmare scenario is that they all unite after uncle is gone and go after us kuffrs...perhaps like unkil and TSPA we should also have our own good Taliban..I am sure the good book will support our theory that munafiqs are more cutlet than idol worshipping kufrs.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 27 Nov 2012 19:27

The piglets, at least not openly, are not sectarian , they want entire ummah to join them in jihad against kufrs, particularly us SDRE kufrs....that endeared them to the TSPA....but for all we know that could be taqiyah as well, just to collect cash from the state for now.....

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2012 19:49

CRS, The Ahl-e-Hadees {People of the Traditions of the Prophet} do not follow any of the four traditional Islamic schools of thought as they believe that everything is available in the Hadith and anything else is ‘imitation’. In that way, they differ significantly from the wahhabi/salafi/takfiri Deobandis of the TTP.

As for purity, every Islamic school thinks it is the purest. Every Muslim would think he is purer than the other, at least in Islamist countries like Pakistan. So, your question is difficult to answer as there is no BIS hallmark.

Professor saheb follows the religion assiduously as he and his PigLeTs interpret it. Hafeez Sayeed has admitted that h was influenced by the colourful Sheikh Abdul Aziz Bin Baaz, the then Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia. A few years back, Professor saheb married a young widow of jihad and he practised what he preached, I supppse. What more purity do you expect him to demonstrate ?

Professor saheb and OBL's mentor Abdullah Azzam worked shoulder-to-shoulder in receiving and taking care of jihadis coming from all over the world through their office in Peshawar. Later, he also enjoyed a close relationship with OBL who generously helped him in setting up the Murike facilities etc. To that extent, the worldview of AQ, TTP and the PigLeTs overlap. There was a time after c. 2004, when PigLeTs were found along with Al Qaeda in FATA. But, the fierce Uzbeks and some Punjabi Taliban groups were distrustful of the PigLeTs and I believe that they were withdrawn.

See my reply to Gagan also.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 27 Nov 2012 19:57

SS ji, is it possible that Saeed's blood thirst for revenge is also the reason that some what drives his life's purpose? somewhere I read that he claims that he lost many relatives to hindus during the partition bloodshed. He/LeT is aligned with TSPA because this hatred is common and the enemy is common. As long as TSPA's hatred for India and Indians is intact and as long as Saeed heads LeT, I think LeT will remain close to TSPA.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Nov 2012 20:44

venug wrote:SS ji, is it possible that Saeed's blood thirst for revenge is also the reason that some what drives his life's purpose? somewhere I read that he claims that he lost many relatives to hindus during the partition bloodshed. He/LeT is aligned with TSPA because this hatred is common and the enemy is common. As long as TSPA's hatred for India and Indians is intact and as long as Saeed heads LeT, I think LeT will remain close to TSPA.

With respect venug, do not attribute to piskology what can be explained by Islamic indoctrination and the sexual power of obtaining the widowed wives of the terrorists that Saeed sends out. His son died in Kashmir as a terrorist and I suspect Saeed married his daughter in law. His children and grandchildren are now one and the same.