Indian Interests

[Aditya_V]

Going to Post in Army thread but anyways will post here, what do folks think cutting army funds for Note for vote Cash transfer scheme.

Do you think the Govt belives because of Aman ki Asha there will no war

Defence modernization funds cut by Rs 10,000 crore; Army operations may be hit

[brihaspati]

Its about investing in elections - which takes a priority. Given the often expressed moods of people - there is a fear. Borders are less important than holding on to power.

[brihaspati]

Owaisi the loose mouth has been taken suddenly ill for which the only place to treat it is Londonistan. Is it not a sign of the superior cultural aspects of the Brits - that every rascal with an Islamist bent, and anti-Hindu or anti-India noises - somehow land up in Londonistan for retirement, amusement, vactaion, or medical treatment? Akbarudding Owaisi, after giving the "slaughter Hindus" speech, joins the long illustrious line of Islamists vacationing/medically-recovering in UK from Jinnah, to Benazir to Mussharraf to the Bangladeshi BNP supremo's son.

[member_20292]

^^^ Sri Sri Ravi Shankar speaks very metaphorically.

I like this gentleman call Sudhanshu Maharaj a lot. 800 am on aastha

[Prem]

Owaisi the loose mouth has been taken suddenly ill for which the only place to treat it is Londonistan. Is it not a sign of the superior cultural aspects of the Brits - that every rascal with an Islamist bent, and anti-Hindu or anti-India noises - somehow land up in Londonistan for retirement, amusement, vactaion, or medical treatment? Akbarudding Owaisi, after giving the "slaughter Hindus" speech, joins the long illustrious line of Islamists vacationing/medically-recovering in UK from Jinnah, to Benazir to Mussharraf to the Bangladeshi BNP supremo's son.

To Avoid Chittars, Puttar apni Maa ki Godh mei Nah Baithega tho Kya Karega?

[member_20317]

^^^ Sri Sri Ravi Shankar speaks very metaphorically.

I like this gentleman call Sudhanshu Maharaj a lot. 800 am on aastha

I think you can also watch Atmagnani Deepakbhai Desai. Some of these Babas are really cool.

I personally like Atmagnani Deepakbhai Desai if I am in a somewhat easy mood and some pragmatic living. Normally I watch Baba Ramdev ji with whom I share my political leanings.

[ramana]

Owaisi the loose mouth has been taken suddenly ill for which the only place to treat it is Londonistan. Is it not a sign of the superior cultural aspects of the Brits - that every rascal with an Islamist bent, and anti-Hindu or anti-India noises - somehow land up in Londonistan for retirement, amusement, vactaion, or medical treatment? Akbarudding Owaisi, after giving the "slaughter Hindus" speech, joins the long illustrious line of Islamists vacationing/medically-recovering in UK from Jinnah, to Benazir to Mussharraf to the Bangladeshi BNP supremo's son.

I think for last few months, specifically Nov 2012, Owasi is on INC mission to consolidate the Muslim votebank by raising false issues:
- He raised a bogus issue of Lakshmi temple in Charminar
- Withdrew support from Kiran Kumar Reddy govt even though it wasn't surviving on his mercy
- He is on a roll to raise a feeling of "Islam khatre me hain" type of rhetoric

All this benefits INC only portrayed as the savior.
I hope nobody falls for his antics and makes him irrelevant.

BTW Hindu newspaper was acting as his foil by publishing bogus new stories and pictures of Charminar in the olden days, which ignore the reality of Bhagmati temple since construction of Charminar from Qutub Shahi days..

[abhishek_sharma]

Views from the Right

TONGUE-TIED

The handling of the public anger at the brutal gangrape of a young woman in Delhi by the government has come under severe criticism by the Sangh Parivar mouthpieces. Both the Organiser and Panchjanya have carried cover stories highlighting the police action and the clampdown on the protests in the national capital. While criticising the tactics employed by the government as reminiscent of state control during the Emergency, the cover story and the editorial in the Organiser claim that the “sheer absence of communication skills” is the reason behind the establishment’s failure to “engage” with an “aspirational citizenry... demanding more from their rulers”.

The Organiser, in fact, has highlighted Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s decision to break his silence a week after the incident by contrasting it with US President Barack Obama’s address “within hours” after the Connecticut school shooting. It has also compared how Sonia and Rahul Gandhi sought to only cosmetically engage with the protesters with how the then external affairs minister, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, pacified protesters after the kidnapping, rape and killing of young Geeta and her brother Sanjay in 1978, despite the fact that Vajpayee was hit by a stone thrown from amidst the protesters. It also mentions how L.K. Advani ignored the “smouldering” situation during the anti-Mandal agitations and visited a critical student after his attempt at self-immolation.

DEVELOPMENTAL DECLINE

An editorial in Panchjanya has described the recent National Development Council (NDC) meet to approve the Twelfth Five Year Plan as another occasion that allegedly exposed the government’s “aimlessness” and “lack of (political) will” to assure the country of future economic well-being. Claiming that the PM failed to give positive signals about the right “directions and intentions” of economic policy, the editorial claims he signalled the further burdening of the common citizen with more price rises for diesel and kerosene.

Highlighting the reservations expressed by several chief ministers about the direct cash transfer scheme, the editorial justifies these by calling cash transfer a political stunt aimed at bluffing people with an eye to the next election. While the editorial uses Tamil Nadu CM J. Jayalalithaa’s walkout to criticise the PM and top Congress leaders’ attempts to take credit for development in states, it lambastes the government with Gujarat CM Narendra Modi’s criticism that the entire country (all CMs) was summoned to fix a growth target of 8 per cent while Gujarat is growing at 11 per cent. “This government has neither an action plan nor a leader,” Modi has been quoted on the lack of leadership at the national level.

ITALIAN HOLIDAY

An article in the Organiser criticises the Union government for not objecting to the court permission to the two Italian mariners, accused of shooting two Indian fishermen in Indian waters last year, to go home for Christmas for two weeks. While the article’s blurb alleges, “Sonia interferes to release Italian marines”, the article only emphasises the pressure from the Italian government as well as lobbying by Catholic priests to get the marines freed. But it doesn’t provide any evidence to substantiate its claims.

Compiled by Ravish Tiwari

[ShauryaT]

I watched the owaisi speech. Fully deserves a charge of treason due to a threat to wage war against the state, along with a dozen other charges. GoI should not tolerate these. Shame on us for not acting.

[SwamyG]

I missed the Owaisi speech, and it has been removed from YouTube. Are there any pertinent translations around? A brief search did not yield material, just the media talking about 'hate speech', 'slur' ityadi.

[ShyamSP]

I missed the Owaisi speech, and it has been removed from YouTube. Are there any pertinent translations around? A brief search did not yield material, just the media talking about 'hate speech', 'slur' ityadi.

Try these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnvrC8lVCO8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slPdiaAserc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI94cm8Zihg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avLfmP5RZrM

Maybe they are all blocked in India due to freedom-stifling internet laws.

[nawabs]

Try this.It's working but it's the whole speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... I94cm8Zihg

[johneeG]

ShauryaT saar,
I think you asked a question sometime back: what is Hindutva?

There are two points:
a) The contemporary
b) The Hindu

My understanding is Hindutva is a compromise between (a) and (b). From contemporary point of view, Hindutva is same as Hinduism(or perhaps a diluted version of Hinduism). From Hindu point of view, Hindutva is a journey whose goal is Hinduism.

Contemporary means the policies of the ruler and attitude of the masses.
---
The ovaisies are rabid-dogs and its well-known. They are relics of Nizam's razzaqer attitude. This speech is just a tip of the iceberg. If these **&#$#@0ts are properly investigated, then one would find many jihadi skeletons in the closet. Not just individuals, but the party itself is like SIMI and must be banned. Both brothers and their prime supporters need to be treated as terrorists(not just hate-speech). Either exile them or imprison them like Khalistanis were done.

Such rabid-dogs seem to be existent in many places. Madari in Kerala, Bukari in Dilli and so on.


Sibal was keen on going after hate-speech on net, but the same man cannot even utter a word on the hate-speech in public rallies?! So far, the kongis are not even making a pretense of caring for Hindu sentiments... not even a pretense. That is the level of smugness and arrogance. And ack thoo on any Hindu who still supports kongis. Really, ack thoo...

BTW, has a single muslim organization condemned this hate-rant? Yea, and the silent muslim majority are supposed to be secular, hain ji?!

And, this is one more instance of grand failure of TDP. What is it doing? Why is it not able to shred the Govt to pieces on this issue when it is well-known the ovaisies are pets of Kongis?

The kongis are petting ovaisies on one hand and jagan on other hand.

Really pathetic situation. Not ovaisy. Nothing better can be expected from a low-life. It is the reaction that is pathetic. Secularism in full flow...

I am hoping that atleast when another Govt comes to power, they will ban this terror party and punish these jihadi lowlives. Kongis may still do some pretense of taking action, but that won't be enough...

[SwamyG]

Thanks...for the links, what was his core 'hate speech' ? It is in Urdu :-(.

[Virupaksha]

Thanks...for the links, what was his core 'hate speech' ? It is in Urdu :-(.

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/01/comm ... india.html

That could give you the gist of it.

[abhishek_sharma]

From the Urdu Press

Punishment for rape

Regarding suitable punishment for rapists, the daily Hamara Samaj in its editorial (December 28) writes: “The protesters want the alleged rapists to be hanged on the gates of Red Fort immediately. But the reaction of women’s organisations is moderate. They have demanded that the accused not be given death sentence; instead, they should be awarded an exemplary punishment so that one indulging in such a crime lives with a lifelong feeling of self-deprecation. Perhaps this demand is better.”

Lucknow-based tabloid Jadeed Markaz in its editorial (January 5) supports the protests but criticises the celebrity response, especially Jaya Bachchan’s “crocodile tears”. It writes; “Jaya Bachchan’s husband backs Modi completely in his ads, who had failed to prevent the rape of so many women in 2002... If they had been given exemplary punishment, this rape may not have happened. Why are they protesting this now?”

The daily Rahnuma-e-Deccan, in its editorial on December 24, says that “the political parties rose above politics and raised their voice unanimously against this bestiality. The most important thing was that the Delhi High Court took suo motu cognisance of this case and asked the police commissioner of Delhi to explain his stand.”

An Islamic scholar, Maulana Khalid Saifullah Rehmani, in an article published in some papers offers this suggestion: “Undoubtedly, a rapist deserves the harshest punishment. But justice demands that he be provided an environment to help him keep away from crime... the government should first make laws that would prevent the act and a pious society would be created, where a person is compelled to think a hundred times before moving towards a crime. Then an appropriate punishment for rape should be thought of .”

Analysing Modi’s win

Jamaat-e-Islami’s bi-weekly, Daawat, (December 25) trying to analyse Modi’s third win, writes: “It is being said that Narendra Modi’s success in the assembly elections for the third time is due to the developmental work he has done, but this is only partly true. It is also being said that this time Modi had asked for a vote in the name of Gujarat’s asmita, development and sadhbhavana — that is, passions were not raised against any community this time. This is absolutely true. As to why this happened, the paper agrees with the observation of an Indian scholar at a British university, Raheel Dhattiwala. If today there is peace and order in Gujarat and there was no riot during the election campaign, it was because Modi did not need it this time... The Gujarat voters have been permanently divided and hatred against Muslims is a fact.”

Rashtriya Sahara in its editorial on December 22 writes: “Despite the victory in Gujarat, BJP has got two seats less than last time... losing two seats is nothing much. But given how Modi started his election campaign, reduction by even one seat is significant, and the number of seats for BJP has been continuously decreasing.”

Rahnuma-e-Deccan in its editorial on December 26 writes: “It is interesting that during the campaign, while praising Modi as a chief minister, L.K. Advani did not say a word about making him prime minister. Leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha, Sushma Swaraj, also evaded a direct answer to questions about Modi as PM. Leader of the Opposition in the Rajya Sabha, Arun Jaitley, also praised Modi but did not mention the PM possibility.”

Eye on Egypt

Urdu papers are following the developments in Egypt closely. Defending the “democratic” functioning of the new Egypt president, Mohammed Morsi, the daily Inquilab writes in an editorial: “Morsi’s opponents have filed 43 cases against him. He could have ensured the stability of his position, and that of the 100-member assembly, only through special powers. So, he took this step... The opposition tried to create unrest around the referendum. But the real strength of Ikhwan-ul-Muslimeen is in its Islamist character — and the people have elected it on this basis... Now the critics of the system should keep quiet as it has been voted in by the majority of the people”.

Daawat backs Morsi: “The self-proclaimed secular, broad-minded and liberal section of the country is trying to create a political crisis... But the fact is that whatever Morsi is doing, he is doing democratically.”

Compiled by Seema Chishti

[SwamyG]

Virupaksha: thank you. I showed this to SHQ, she dismissed this readily saying she has heard hundreds of these from Hyderabad mosques' speakers.

[devesh]

^^^
so what's the point? all is well? is that the new form of defense? "we've seen much worse, this ain't nothin'.."

[RamaY]

^ Devesh garu

That is a symptom of desensitized society, mainly from two perspective.

Firstly, it is an indication of the way things are, the way Muslims are, Indian or otherwise, and nothing can be done to change their behaviors. It also indicates a sense of helplessness that since Hindu majority cannot wish away ~150 million and growing Indian Muslims it is better to ignore them.

Secondly, it is an indication of the existing Asuricness of Hindus against their own ilk. So there is no moral authority for Hindus to stand up to Muslim atrocities unless each and every Hindu is a living RamaChandra. I call this Jesus (secular) cancer, which says "that only the one who never sinned can row the stone". This is the rationalization of Muslim/Christian asuric nature in (sic) secular India. This is exactly the line of argument by our dhimmi brothers threadbare. They deman the BJP have to be 100% pure before they can claim the leadership of India; but Congress can rule India because of this TINA.

If I can apply some chanikianness on Ms. swamyG garu, which i think is her true Kali-self, she is just telling us that "These Nizam Muslims are pu$$ies of first kind. They have been crying like this since 1948 and they have been defeated again and again by Hindus. Let them cry because they cannot do anything else. The moment these pu$$ies move out of their mehendis in old city, they will have to hide in their purkhas"

Look at this Akparuttin Owaisi. What a pu$$i he is. He dared 75 crore Hindus and ran away to a kafir queendom.

[SwamyG]

^^^
so what's the point? all is well? is that the new form of defense? "we've seen much worse, this ain't nothin'.."

So why jump to conclusions, my dear? Jumping with both feet and shooting from the hips without politely asking for a clarification seems to the hallmark. And others wax eloquent needlessly. The point is mosques blare such sentiments, and they are not being questioned. Probably, because in those days the audio (or video) was not captured and posted out on the internet.

[RamaY]

[chaanakya]

Italian marines Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone, accused of shooting dead two fishermen off the Kerala coast, returned here on Friday after celebrating Christmas with their families.

The Kerala High Court had allowed them to go home on the condition that they report to the Kochi Police Commissioner before 3 p.m. on January 10.

The marines arrived at the airport here at 8.15 a.m. by a special chartered flight.

Italian Consul General Giampaolo Cutillo told reporters at the airport that Rome had kept its word and sent the marines back.

He expressed the hope that the gesture would be appreciated by the Indian public.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 272004.ece

[ramana]

Italian Consul General Giampaolo Cutillo told reporters at the airport that Rome had kept its word and sent the marines back.

He expressed the hope that the gesture would be appreciated by the Indian public.

Did he want them to abscond after Italy gave garuntee?

[devesh]

^^^
so what's the point? all is well? is that the new form of defense? "we've seen much worse, this ain't nothin'.."

So why jump to conclusions, my dear? Jumping with both feet and shooting from the hips without politely asking for a clarification seems to the hallmark. And others wax eloquent needlessly. The point is mosques blare such sentiments, and they are not being questioned. Probably, because in those days the audio (or video) was not captured and posted out on the internet.

let me make one thing clear right away: I am not your "dear".
unless you want me to give you a pet name like 'honey' or 'love' or something as inane.

secondly, I make it a point to shoot from the hips while involved only in one kind of activity.

so what is the point? let's not be patronizing here. so what should be done about mosques and Owaisi and others?

no beating around the bush. out with it. what should be done? what should be acceptable? where should the line be drawn?

[SwamyG]

Then stop pause and think before you froth. Dont assume, ask for clarifications with politeness.

[devesh]

Then stop pause and think before you froth. Dont assume, ask for clarifications with politeness.

do you actually have anything to contribute?

"frothing at the mouth" or some variation of that phrase has been used by you ad-nauseum as if it's the only adjective-phrase you know.
you should at least expand your vocabulary and get more creative.
otherwise this is just getting boring...
so, question still stands: what's the point of the above "seen worse, this ain't nothing" attitude?

[devesh]

SwamyG,

let's forget the rhetoric and go back to the original question. where do you stand on that?
you are under no obligation to answer, of course, but the "seen much more" is callous and not a valid excuse.
also, the mosques don't spew their garbage speeches out to the public. that's reserved for the audience inside.
the only thing which emanates from the loud speakers are the "official" prayers.
at least in Hyderabad, the speeches are not on the external loud speakers that carry for kilometers.

[brihaspati]

Devesh and RamaY Bandhujana,
here is Marcuse: writing in 1965 with a different agenda, but...
http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60s ... erance.htm

THIS essay examines the idea of tolerance in our advanced industrial society. The conclusion reached is that the realization of the objective of tolerance would call for intolerance toward prevailing policies, attitudes, opinions, and the extension of tolerance to policies, attitudes, and opinions which are outlawed or suppressed. In other words, today tolerance appears again as what it was in its origins, at the beginning of the modern period--a partisan goal, a subversive liberating notion and practice. Conversely, what is proclaimed and practiced as tolerance today, is in many of its most effective manifestations serving the cause of oppression.

The author is fully aware that, at present, no power, no authority, no government exists which would translate liberating tolerance into practice, but he believes that it is the task and duty of the intellectual to recall and preserve historical possibilities which seem to have become utopian possibilities--that it is his task to break the concreteness of oppression in order to open the mental space in which this society can be recognized as what it is and does.

Tolerance is an end in itself. The elimination of violence, and the reduction of suppression to the extent required for protecting man and animals from cruelty and aggression are preconditions for the creation of a humane society. Such a society does not yet exist; progress toward it is perhaps more than before arrested by violence and suppression on a global scale. As deterrents against nuclear war, as police action against subversion, as technical aid in the fight against imperialism and communism, as methods of pacification in neo-colonial massacres, violence and suppression are promulgated, practiced, and defended by democratic and authoritarian governments alike, and the people subjected to these governments are educated to sustain such practices as necessary for the preservation of the status quo. Tolerance is extended to policies, conditions, and modes of behavior which should not be tolerated because they are impeding, if not destroying, the chances of creating an existence without fear and misery.

This sort of tolerance strengthens the tyranny of the majority against which authentic liberals protested. The political locus of tolerance has changed: while it is more or less quietly and constitutionally withdrawn from the opposition, it is made compulsory behavior with respect to established policies. Tolerance is turned from an active into a passive state, from practice to non-practice: laissez-faire the constituted authorities. It is the people who tolerate the government, which in turn tolerates opposition within the framework determined by the constituted authorities.[Note that Marcuse accurately outline sthe process by which a regime, even within constitutional or democratic shell, can impose the parameters of opposition to the government.]

Tolerance toward that which is radically evil now appears as good because it serves the cohesion of the whole on the road to affluence or more affluence. [any intolerance of Owaisi types radicalism will destroy the march towards prozperity and gazillions of inveztments from FDI which will be scared of a war starting up in India because Owaisi has been cricticized] The toleration of the systematic moronization of children and adults alike by publicity and propaganda, the release of destructiveness in aggressive driving, the recruitment for and training of special forces, the impotent and benevolent tolerance toward outright deception in merchandizing, waste, and planned obsolescence are not distortions and aberrations, they are the essence of a system which fosters tolerance as a means for perpetuating the struggle for existence and suppressing the alternatives. The authorities in education, morals, and psychology are vociferous against the increase in juvenile delinquency; they are less vociferous against the proud presentation, in word and deed and pictures, of ever more powerful missiles, rockets, bombs--the mature delinquency of a whole civilization.[Marcuse's agenda is of course undermining the military-industrial side of the very society that pays his professor's salary from at least partly from the proceeds of such sales of tools and practice of violence. But he is angry over the objectives of the propaganda - not necessarily at the method of moronization itself. But we can see how subcontinental regimes can moronize too.]

According to a dialectical proposition it is the whole which determines the truth--not in the sense that the whole is prior or superior to its parts, but in the sense that its structure and function determine every particular condition and relation. Thus, within a repressive society, even progressive movements threaten to turn into their opposite to the degree to which they accept the rules of the game.[the Congreess's MKG transition from LBP to the JLN transition from pre-Brit to pseudo-Brit] To take a most controversial case: the exercise of political rights (such as voting, letter-writing to the press, to Senators, etc., protest-demonstrations with a priori renunciation of counterviolence) in a society of total administration serves to strengthen this administration by testifying to the existence of democratic liberties which, in reality, have changed their content and lost their effectiveness. In such a case, freedom (of opinion, of assembly, of speech) becomes an instrument for absolving servitude. And yet (and only here the dialectical proposition shows its full intent) the existence and practice of these liberties remain a precondition for the restoration of their original oppositional function, provided that the effort to transcend their (often self-imposed) limitations is intensified. Generally, the function and value of tolerance depend on the equality prevalent in the society in which tolerance is practiced. Tolerance itself stands subject to overriding criteria: its range and its limits cannot be defined in terms of the respective society. In other words, tolerance is an end in itself only when it is truly universal, practiced by the rulers as well as by the ruled, by the lords as well as by the peasants, by the sheriffs as well as by their victims. And such universal tolerance is possible only when no real or alleged enemy requires in the national interest the education and training of people in military violence and destruction.
[the national alleged enemy exists for Bharat - which is the supposed danger of "saffron", and therefore by Marcuse's logic no "universal tolerance" is possible.]
As long as these conditions do not prevail, the conditions of tolerance are 'loaded': they are determined and defined by the institutionalized inequality (which is certainly compatible with constitutional equality), i.e., by the class structure of society. In such a society, tolerance is de facto limited on the dual ground of legalized violence or suppression (police, armed forces, guards of all sorts) and of the privileged position held by the predominant interests and their 'connections'.

These background limitations of tolerance are normally prior to the explicit and judicial limitations as defined by the courts, custom, governments, etc. (for example, 'clear and present danger', threat to national security, heresy). Within the framework of such a social structure, tolerance can be safely practiced and proclaimed. It is of two kinds:

1. the passive toleration of entrenched and established attitudes and ideas even if their damaging effect on man and nature is evident, and

2. the active, official tolerance granted to the Right as well as to the Left, to movements of aggression as well as to movements of peace, to the party of hate as well as to that of humanity I call this non-partisan tolerance 'abstract' or 'pure' inasmuch as it refrains from taking sides--but in doing so it actually protects the already established machinery of discrimination.

The tolerance which enlarged the range and content of freedom was always partisan--intolerant toward the protagonists of the repressive status quo. The issue was only the degree and extent of intolerance. In the firmly established liberal society of England and the United States, freedom of speech and assembly was granted even to the radical enemies of society, provided they did not make the transition from word to deed, from speech to action.

Marcuse's long harangue can actually be summarized into two basic observations:

(a) tolerance in a society is actually driven by group interests and by values held by the group. Tolerance is always relative, and always contextual. The value behind any claim/demand for "tolerance" is a contextual one, and is given only because it is convenient for that person/group to appear "tolerant", because it satisfies utility maximization for that group. Different groups will have different value systems to construct their utility functions on. The group, that say, will demand that Owaisi's speech be tolerated, may actually be vehemently intolerant of any criticism of Owaisi's speech. Or for that matter may be virulent in demanding that the state take penalizing action on those who call for banning public celebration of Valentines Day by mixed gender couples.

(b) tolerance as practiced in a society is a reflection of power equations between the dominant group in state power and those not in state power. tolerance is a tool used flexibly, contextually, and conveniently by the group with maximum coercive power. Marxists say that state should always be seen as an instrument of coercion - by one group on the rest of society. They want that power for their abstract "proletariat" class - which like the invention of the category of "Dalit" is deliberately kept vague so that groups can be incorporated for mobilization towards state power as convenient.

We do not need to reach their conclusions as to objectives - but invert their analysis of "tolerance" to see that in a reverse way, it applies to Bharat too, and fits nicely the existing mechanism of manufacture of consent.

[RamaY]

Thanks Bji. It took 47 years for the same bulb to go in my mind

Isn't the whole logic of our constipation is transfer of power, money, opportunities and even faith from group to another? Then why are we scared of the same transferring to another Indian group?

Yes. The future losers will fight future winners. What should be the basis for future wars? Dharma or secularism?.

[RoyG]

Warning to all who watch all clips especially the last one. BP will go up. Former RAW Chief Dulat defending Miandad is sickening. What a rotten state of affairs. India is going to the dogs under the UPA.

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Miandads- ... 418099.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Miandads- ... 418100.cms

http://www.timesnow.tv/Debate-Miandads- ... 418101.cms

[SwamyG]

I already answered, by way of implication, in my first reply. The mosques have been blaring similar nonsense, and we have been ignoring. They have to be held accountable. Dude, you jump with guns blazing and question my contribution? Wah re wah. And, I believe my SHQ when she says she has heard them. I will take her word over yours.

[devesh]

You are welcome to believe the words of whoever you want but I am quite sure that the internal speeches are not put on external speakers.
It is only the prayers which are aired. Hyderabad still has enough saffron elements to "take care of islamics" if they cross lines, so they are very careful about letting the core jihadi thinking out in the open.

[Prem]

India’s Feckless Elite & Surveying the World of Ideas

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/dialogue-pr ... orld-ideas

[Agnimitra]

^^^ A good interview. Here's the article on which the discussion is based:
http://www.aei.org/article/foreign-and- ... ess-elite/

[SSridhar]

For an India-led Security Architecture in South Asia - N.Sathya Moorthy, The Hindu

[ramana]

India is pretty dangerous under MMS.
People get gang raped in Delhi and beaten by Delhi Police if they protest..

At borders TSPA chops of heads of Indian Army personnel.

In both instances MMS wants to debate.

Shows "Emperor has no clothes"

Its time for the do nothing PM to go.

If he had shown half the zeal used in suppressing Indians against the Pakis, India would have been much better!

[Prem]

MMS have disappointed almost every thinking Indian and lost all the respect of being leader or intelligent person worthy to lead India . None of his decisions of last few years make any sense except that they have been harmful to Indian national interests and benefitial to the enemies , antagonists of India . I have been shouting for over decade that Congress on its dying day will make every effort to harm Indian , weaken National Security Insititutions. And they have been making repeated attempts to undermine national security and encourage both Internal and external threats to nation and society. The worst non pardonable sin they have been committing is to promote the internal fragmentation for narrow personal, political interests . Nothing less than deliberate betrayal of the Motherland.

[ramana]

I wonder if MMS is like Ramsay MacDonald and Neville Chamberlain the UK PMs who blundred their way into WWII by compromising core interests.

[Sushupti]

My encounter with Brian Pennington at the recent AAR
:
:
Next Pennington showed his own agenda, stating that the “ready identification of these two things – India the nation state and India the ancient civilization ...Umm … To me the association is troubling,” because he was suspicious of “the political uses of such a work.” He went further as said:

“What I do see is a project that is imbued with the identification of India with the Sanskritic and Hindu tradition, an identification that really disallows the association of any individual or community that does not identify itself in these terms.” He was disturbed by what he saw as an attempt to “construct an authentic Hindu”.

In other words, at the heart of this anger is his problem with associating Indian civilization and India as a nation. This deep trouble was the focus of his influential book, Was Hinduism Invented? In that book the main culprit is Swami Vivekananda because he more than anyone else had “invented Hinduism”.



Pennington was upset that Islam is hardly mentioned in Being Different, even though the book makes clear up front that it deals specifically with a comparison between dharmic and Western civilizations, respectively, and explains why Islam needs its own separate comparisons with each of these two. As the typical White Man facing the burden to save Indians, Pennington was worried that,

“there is no doubt his work could be useful as a device to delegitimize the political subjectivity of the Christians and Muslims [along with other] marginalized and ignored communities in India.”

His final remark was to chide the organization that had invited me to the panel: “I remain somewhat puzzled about why the Society for Hindu-Christian Studies would honor this work with a serious discussion, when Christianity features as a fairly invisible presence in this work.” And he concluded with a patronizing gesture “I would hope that we could have a frank and respectful and collegial discussion about all those things.”

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RajivMalh ... ssage/4065

[Prem]

As KC singh said Indian External Affair Minsiter is acting like Pawki foreign minister, India now has real Foreigner Minister Khrushi... to talk with Kharshi....
On Second thought, Paki verbal excretea about UN has something to do with Excretealand assuming the open mouth position in UN security council. As dumb they are , they may be thinking they are no more begging boys in the hood.