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Arjun wrote: Which particular indicators and principles are these ? And I would be interested in your comparison with Democrats if you can take it to specifics.

Not in the mood to wade through a lot of Devanagari right now, so haven't spent time on the Antyodaya site.
Hmm, this would be lot of work. Maybe a while later. Meanwhile do try and go through the site.
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Sushupti wrote:but why Communists, supposedly non-religious, having problem with non Abrahamic religion?.
Cultural Marxism is all about destroying pre-existing cultural rootedness of the people so as to recruit them in their project of classless society! And usually this is directed not against all religions and culture but always towards the majority religion and culture, as they see the minority religions as helping them in their deracination agenda.
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^^ Very good insight. Cultural Marxists are against Islam in Indonesia, against Christianity in Europe, against Hinduism in India and against Buddhism in Thailand.
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Don't know about cultural marxism but know of one thing good enough. If something is not natural to a pre-existing population then every 'engineering' project directed at the pre-existing population will necessarily rely on outsiders to fund/support such project

From the Sheela Bhatt story in rediff http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 0307.htm#1
He thinks that caste essentially divides the Hindu vote-bank.
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Modi's staunch supporter from Mumbai told rediff.com, "Remember, Delhi is not India. Delhi is not the BJP. The real India and the real BJP live outside Delhi. The BJP outside of Delhi feels for Modi."
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Another die-hard Modi follower and colleague says, "The leader who keeps ranting "Hum sochenge, hum karenge" can't be elected in today's India. People see in Modi shades of Indira Gandhi. As nobody looks for an impotent husband to trust her life with, the Indian voters too look for strong leaders like Indira Gandhi."

Seems like people are putting forth their views clearly and without compromising, now.

I am tired of, us undershooting compared to our full potential. The distractive logic that has been thrust on us is much to irritating. A long period of hard core work ethics with an uncompromising aim of overthrowing the old order, is desperately needed for the whole population to heal us of our cut and slash wounds.
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Vitthal Radadiya, the MP who brandished gun at toll booth, joins Narendra Modi's BJP

These are the sort of tactical mistakes Modi-ji should avoid imvvho. Why give fresh talking points to the congress? Especially now when they are on the back foot? Penny wise, pound foolish onlee.
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dhruvM wrote:Vitthal Radadiya, the MP who brandished gun at toll booth, joins Narendra Modi's BJP

These are the sort of tactical mistakes Modi-ji should avoid imvvho. Why give fresh talking points to the congress? Especially now when they are on the back foot? Penny wise, pound foolish onlee.
NM getting acceptance of fringe groups as well. Now S.TN should have no issues with NM :rotfl:
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Arun Jaitley on India's economic priorities: CHALLENGES WHICH INDIA MUST OVERCOME
Good governance needs strong leadership. It needs decisiveness to form a policy. Leadership must necessarily have credibility. The economic model for India is increasingly becoming a subject matter of larger consensus. You need a 9 percent growth for the next decade or more. A continuous 9 percent growth will target investment; it will create jobs. It will generate larger revenue for the government. Enhanced revenue can be used for infrastructure creation and social spending. It will expedite poverty alleviation schemes. Unfortunately, the past few years have witnessed a policy paralysis and declining credibility of the political leadership. This tendency has to be replaced. Our poverty alleviation schemes including income enhancing schemes must combine their social objects and asset creation. The need to eliminate manual scavenging, uplift the weakest, particularly the tribals, concentration on health care, education and rural infrastructure are the major challenges of the day.

How do you reach a 9 percent growth rate?

In order to reach a 9% growth rate India must have decisive policy formulation. We need to expedite and improve upon the infrastructure creation. Unfortunately success stories like the Telecom sector and National Highways were marred by corruption. It is not healthy for the economy to hold up innumerable large investments in the name of a new licensing regime In the name of environment protection. Economy and ecology must co-exist. It is extremely necessary that our manufacturing sector reforms are expedited. We live in an age where consumers buy products which are cheaper. Low Cost manufacturing is the key to success. Rationalizing of interest rates, improvement of infrastructure, effective implementation of power sector reforms and availability of utilities on internationally comparable prices is the need of the hour.

Our concentration on Highways, Ports, Airports, Rural roads has to be given its due importance. India has failed to exploit its' tourism potential. Lower taxes on tourism related industries, improved airports, railway stations and cheaper hotels are necessary to exploit our entire potential. We need to liberalise the movement of goods within the country. Higher taxation is a short-lived policy which will never bring long term results. Taxation rates have to be modest and internationally comparable. You can export goods, you can recover export taxes. We have seen several success stories. Expansion of the educational network, Information Technology, Telecom , Pharma sector, the auto sector, the Highways, expansion of the Urban Housing are some of the success stories we have witnessed in recent years. One new policy and new legislation must further these successes rather than curtail them.
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The above is Professor. Saswati Sarkar, and the reason I post is her MUST-READ article in NitiCentral, and we already have photos from the rogues gallery; time to honor the good folks too, no?
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Gujarat riots: IUML MLA gives clean chit to Narendra Modi

Thiruvananthapuram, Mar 8: An MLA of the Indian Union Muslim League (IUML) that is part of the Congress-led UDF government in Kerala has absolved Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi of any blame whatsoever in the post-Godhra riots. Addressing a IUML meeting at Panoor in Kerala on Wednesday, the legislator KM Shaji said that Modi has not tried to implement the BJP's Hindutva agenda in Gujarat. According to Shaji, Modi cannot be held guilty of killing Muslims. Nor did he have a role to play in the destruction of any masjid, Shaji averred. The MLA quoted human rights activists as saying that some leading businessmen engineered the Gujarat riots. Shaji noted that big industrial houses set up shop in Gujarat not too long after violence ravaged the state in 2002. Pointing to the harmony between Gujarati Muslims and Hindus, he said that members of the minority community have welcomed Modi's good governance. Gujarat has witnessed rapid development over the past one decade and the steps taken by the BJP regime should be emulated by other states in order to achieve similar growth, the MLA stressed. Incidentally, several IUML leaders were present on the dias while Shaji gave a clean chit to Modi but none of them objected to his praise of a political rival. The surprising aspect is that IUML never misses a chance to target the BJP. Now that Modi is emerging as the clear frontrunner in the race for the prime minister's post and more than one stalwart in the main opposition party has already endorsed his candidature, it looks like IUML is looking to mend fences with him. Whether this is a pointer of things to come remains to be seen. Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar has repeatedly hinted that Janata Dal (United) could walk out of the NDA if his Gujarat counterpart is projected as the BJP's choice for the top post. Shaji's comments show that there are no lifelong enemies in politics. Probably Modi may one day get Kumar's backing too.

http://news.oneindia.in/2013/03/08/godh ... 67196.html
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I think even the Muslims are getting cagey that Modi would ride on some Hindutva sympathy among the people especially as far as dealing with Muslims is concerned that they have started exonerating him. They are saying don't give any votes to him, because Modi does not believe in Hindutva at all and did nothing to promote it!

Indeed Funny!
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SwamyG wrote:Image


The above is Professor. Saswati Sarkar, and the reason I post is her MUST-READ article in NitiCentral, and we already have photos from the rogues gallery; time to honor the good folks too, no?
Unbelievable. It is so long since decent people of Indian origin stood up to the chronic anti-national, terrorist COMMIES who have been in the US and working with ISI, KAC and every Paki Islamic terrorist organization to spread terror against India, destroy India. These corrosive, dangerous people are simply ignored by most people because they don't want to pick fights with these people.
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RajeshA wrote:I think even the Muslims are getting cagey that Modi would ride on some Hindutva sympathy among the people especially as far as dealing with Muslims is concerned that they have started exonerating him. They are saying don't give any votes to him, because Modi does not believe in Hindutva at all and did nothing to promote it!

Indeed Funny!
There is a saying in Punjabi based on thousand years experience in dealing with Jihadi hordes.

"Agga de Gidad piccha da sher"

If show them your back than they are lion but they are jackals if you take them full frontal .
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Sushupti wrote:["Agga de Gidad piccha da sher"

If show them your back than they are lion but they are jackals if you take them full frontal .
What frontal, Poakers are Picche ka Ghazwa Sher. They go huntning in their own home every night. Paki Behan Yand Bhai, Din ke Harjai , Do Raat Ko Kammai .
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^^ They are trying every trick in the book.

See how desperate these PAID MEDIA artists are! The venom and hate from PAID MEDIA will be more and more furious as days go by. Look at the news now a day. Nothing but attacks on Modi.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/bjps- ... 52610.html

BJP’s dilemma: ‘Polarising’ Modi or an ‘acceptable’ other? Rajdeep Sardesai
It is not without reason that the BJP has in recent times been referred to as the ‘Hindu Divided Family’. Impressed by the speech given by Sushma Swaraj at the BJP National Council, I tweeted: “outstanding speech by Sushma Swaraj: is she another PM in the making?” Within minutes, I was subject to vicious abuse on Twitter, including from a person whose profile described him as the co-convenor of the BJP IT cell from Ahmedabad’s Ellisbridge area and a Narendra Modi supporter. Profanity on social media is not unusual, but it struck me that praise for a ‘rival’ BJP leader was being seen by a member of the Modi fan club as a downsizing of their icon.

:rotfl: People get angry because these guys are trying to prop Sushma or Advani as PM since they know people will defeat them without bothering. So these PAID folks try to egg on Advani or Sushma and then use it as a argument that BJP is divided.


Modi today is undoubtedly the prime ministerial choice of the BJP’s rank and file. The response to his speech at the party’s national council was euphoric: every rhetorical flourish was accompanied by loud cheering. The other leaders on the stage seemed almost dwarfed, like a support cast in a solo hero film. Even the media appears to have bought into the ‘Modi for PM’ slogan: the Gujarat Chief Minister’s was perhaps the only speech at the council that was covered ‘live’ by every national news channel. Which brings me to the central question: if Modi has been anointed the de facto PM candidate of the BJP cadres, why is the leadership reluctant to formally announce his name?

At the party council, amidst the Modi craze, LK Advani as elder statesman appeared to give a touch of realism to the proceedings. In his speech, he called for the need to change the “equation between the BJP and the minorities,” adding, rather sagely, that the BJP needed to reach out to other parties to widen the NDA into “NDA plus” to provide a “viable, non-Congress alternative.”


:rotfl: Again, Advani has become elder statesman so that BJP loses again in 2014. Sunil Joshi of RSS became the darling of PAID scums 2 months before Guajarat elections. Now, no freaking PAID MEDIA CON artist know who the hell is.


Ironically, it was Mr Advani who had originally recast the BJP as a party for the coalition era by projecting Atal Behari Vajpayee as the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate at the 1995 BJP convention in Mumbai. Advani was the Modi of that period: the ideological mascot and macho Hindutva hero who had lifted the party from near-oblivion to the political centrestage with his pivotal role in the Ram Janmabhoomi movement. By contrast, Vajpayee was seen as a leader from a previous era when the BJP had lived in the shadow of Congress dominance. Vajpayee’s oratory, much like that of a Sushma Swaraj, was always envied, but he wasn’t seen as the natural leader of political Hindutva. It required Advani’s pragmatism to recognise that the BJP needed a consensus builder and not an ideologue to enable the BJP to become a party of power in a coalition era.

Eighteen years later, the sangh parivar is confronted with a near-identical dilemma. Does it follow the ideological instincts of its followers and position Modi as ‘the leader India awaits’; or does it seek refuge under the NDA umbrella and look for a prime ministerial candidate who will be able to embrace the largest number of potential allies? The BJP could well claim that general elections are still a year away and these choices can be deferred to another day. However, the vaulting enthusiasm of its cadres and the growing restiveness of some of its key allies, both actual and potential, poses a challenge which cant be postponed much longer.

Despite his attempted image makeover, Modi remains a polarising figure as the recent Wharton controversy only confirms. It is now increasingly apparent that Nitish Kumar of the Janata Dal (United), the BJP’s single biggest ally in parliament with 20 seats, is unwilling to accept Modi’s leadership. Its not just Nitish: would potential NDA allies like Biju Janata Dal, Mamata Banerjee, Telugu Desam –- all of whom were once part of Vajpayee’s grand coalition – be willing to go into an election with Modi as their PM candidate? Would a Mayawati be willing to provide such an arrangement ‘outside support’? At the moment, the only fresh ally that the NDA can count on under a Modi-led regime is Jayalalithaa.

:rotfl: The scumbags of COMMIE, anti-national and Islamic terrorist sympathizers start a coercive argument threatening protests and the same scums now it show how controversial he is. I think we have see enough of you!

Once BJP gets its 180-190 seats every dog will come running and we know you want to make BJP 100+ party. We know your pants are wet because of fear of Modi. If BJP loses with Modi, so be it. We have see crooks like you what you did with Cash for Votes scam.


At the same time, Modi’s charisma and personality could become a force multiplier that could enlarge the BJP’s traditional vote base. The urban middle class, in particular, which appeared to desert the party in the 2009 elections, is seen to have endorsed Modi’s decisive leadership style and good governance mantra as providing a marked contrast with an effete Congress-led coalition that has been riddled with corruption and complacency. For a BJP whose highest tally has been 186 seats in the post-Kargil elections of 1999, Modi’s presence is seen to provide an additional 25 to 30 seats that could prove crucial in a fragmented verdict. But there is also the real fear – as shown up in the 2004 elections – that a strong Muslim turnout at the elections in response to Modi’s elevation could prove decisive in around a 75 to 100 seats across India.

The CONs, Pakis and terrorists will always unite to keep India poor, divided and weak. We know your strategy. There is an increasing number of Muslims who are really turning to Modi for the reasons of development. The communal dogs will never support a honest and patriotic Indian as we have seen. No Modi, No Abdul Kalam or not even M.J. Akbar.


Which way then does the BJP turn in an election where the UPA is clearly on the defensive? Does it gamble with Modi with the sole aim of becoming the single largest party in a divided parliament? Or does it aim to create an NDA-plus government by relying on smaller regional parties who have a chameleon-like ability to transfer loyalties? The RSS would perhaps still like to play safe and prefer the notion of a ‘collective’ leadership ahead of elections, but if past experience is any guide, multi-starrers don’t work at the electoral box office.

You worry about your pay check and commissions. BJP will take care of itself.


Post-script: The ultimate irony: if in 1995, Mr Advani’s had to sacrifice his prime ministerial ambitions because he was ill-suited as a coalition leader, could his stature now as the grand old man of the NDA make him a more ‘acceptable’ post-verdict compromise candidate? It’s a long shot and the RSS may not concur, but in Indian politics, life can begin at 85!

The writer is editor in chief, IBN 18. email: [email protected]
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^^People like him makes me for a moment sympathize with the need for Naziesque concentration camps.
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http://www.firstpost.com/india/whartons ... 52374.html

TV18 withdrew!
Another key sponsor of the Wharton Indian Economic Forum (WIEF) has pulled out of the prestigious annual meet in the wake of the organiser’s decision to cancel a key-note address by Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi.

The webpage of Wharton India Economic Forum (WIEF) today showed — Colours’ channel which is Viacom18′s flagship brand in the entertainment space in India – being removed from the list of silver sponsors to the annual event.

Into the 17th edition of the annual event of the prestigious business school of the United States, which is primarily being run by its students, the WIEF has been pushed into controversy due its decision on Modi – first to invite him and then to cancel the invitation following protests from a section of the University of Pennsylvania.

There has not been any official word from either the Wharton School or the organisers of the WIEF on withdrawal of sponsors and speakers and its impact on the conference.

Before Colors, the Gujarat-based Adani Group, who was the top Platinum sponsor of the event, and Hexaware Technologies (a silver sponsor) have withdrawn from the event.

Colors was the silver sponsor of the event. This has left Deutsche Bank as the top sponsor (silver sponsor – the second highest category of sponsors).
Incredible India (Ministry of Tourism) is the only sponsor left in the Bronze category.


The three media sponsors are Knowledge Wharton (which is a Wharton publication), T V Asia (an eminent Indian American news channel) and US India Business Council.

Meanwhile, Wikipedia this morning removed the content from its WIEF page that was highly critical of the Wharton India Economic Forum because of its decision to cancel its invitation to Modi. The entire paragraph was removed.

Disclaimer: Colors is owned by the Viacom18 group, a part of Network 18 which also owns Firstpost.
I think the COMMIE India hating group is getting a push back for the first time from Indian business, Indian business leaders, US Professors and even journalists of Indian origin. The bozo Americans who mass murder and give speeches to browns will be rattled. The fact that local Penn state newspaper covered the mess is good too. The frauds will fall in line.
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^^ LOH Purush is their best hope.
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Why is he so impolite in his speeches?

That is a debatable issue. He identifies his opponents and goes after them. The language, phrases and symbols (comparing the Congress to termites) that he uses are an integral part of his politics. Take it or oppose him, he won't change it. The editorial writers in newspapers may have an issue but his 'catchment area' absorbs it. He has a killer instinct. He has violent bug to identify his enemy early and go against him/her the whole hog.

Study closely what he has done in the last ten years in Gujarat. He blunted the growth of the Congress so successfully. The Gujarat assembly is almost a defunct body. Even the BJP MLAs do not know what's happening in the assembly at most times.

Modi works closely with his core team consisting of managers, executives, IAS and IPS officers. He is extremely secretive. The Chief Minister's Office in Gandhingar is the all powerful body that has been successful in achieving the targets set by Modi. IPS and IAS officers are pawns in his games and they deliver because their actual power remains more than the elected MLAs of ruling party.

The Gujarat cabinet is a rubber stamp. Most of his colleagues are no match for Modi and some are so subservient that it even irritates Modi sometimes. Since the last ten years he has been ruling without obstruction to his 'not-so-refined' style. It's unlikely that he will change just because a few forces in New Delhi demand sophistication from him.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 0307.htm#3
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Sushupti,

It is not fair to criticize LKA like that. Of course his time has passed.

None of the BJP leaders publicly expressed their desire to be the PM candidate.

NM so far has been delivering awesome speeches. He is the only on calling the family.

Everyone else is quite in all aspects.

Media is trying to muddy public mindset.
1. First they tried to do INC==BJP
2. Then they tried to do RG != MMS so he is different
3. Then they tried to do RG == NM
4. Now they are trying to do BJP > NM
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Isn't he emerging as leader impatient for power in New Delhi, as compared to Rahul Gandhi's softer and almost philosophical approach to power politics?

Come on! Real Indian politics is desi territory. Modi belongs to the school of thought where you can almost hear him proclaim with pride, 'I have earned my position on merit. I am not begging before the central leadership or the RSS to declare me a prime ministerial candidate. I don't follow the media. It is the media that follows me. I have no fear in going with full force to get what I deserve and what my supporters think I deserve.'

Also remember that notwithstanding Modi's brash behaviour, corporate India, big fat cats of the western world and even 'vested interests' in vital ministries in his state and in New Delhi are backing Modi. Try and talk to the shadowy middlemen and you will know why they back Modi. They want a 'decision maker' in New Delhi -- which is an image Modi has built up successfully.

Modi takes on Rahul Gandhi, the way he does, because he really believes that the Congress dynasty must be opposed politically. Like Swaraj and Jaitley or earlier Atal Bihari Vajpayee he doesn't like to play soft once in a while with his well-identified political enemies and public adversaries.

A Modi supporter asked a cunning counter-question while debating Modi's so-called loutish approach against Rahul Gandhi: "Can you ever think of the BJP making Jayant Advani (L K Advani's son) a prime ministerial candidate? Just because Rahul is born in the Gandhi family, why should the Congress project him as a PM candidate at all? Is it tolerable for any Indian who really believes in democracy?"

His loyalists, repeatedly, claim that he is a complete politician who is not dependent on any external sources for his growth. He is a self-made leader who toiled hard with robotic precision to reach this level. He has no advisors in the real sense and he will be 'impolite' because he has never been anything else in all these years in public life.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 0307.htm#3
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Sorry to put it in a straight and simplistic way but should one seriously take Modi and his gamble for the prime minister's post seriously?

It depends on your politics. Modi has and will continue to divide country's opinion. The Congress has strength in its planks of secularism but Modi means reality. People who think that there is life beyond the 2002 riots, and those who think that the Indian nation is much, much bigger than the debate of Hindu-Muslim relations in India will take a certain stand and take him seriously but those who firmly believe that the intentional hurt to the minority's pride and security is a violation of the ethos of the Indian Constitution will keep opposing him.

There is also another issue to consider. Even if the BJP/Modi wins or loses the next election the fundamental argument of both sides will not be won or lost. The debate will go on because it is about who we are and how the Indian nation should assimilate various shades of India fairly and within the framework of Indian democracy.

The election is too small an event to lose or win or change such fundamental beliefs of people
, whichever way, on issues like the communal riots of 2002.
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How well prepared is Modi?

First, understand his enormously difficult task. There remains no doubt that it can be 'taken for granted' that if the UPA wins enough seats to form the next coalition government then Rahul Gandhi has no competition in getting into 7, Race Course Road. There is no suspense at all about it.

But in complete contrast, Modi's current journey is a fascinating event because there is a huge suspense. The odds are stacked against Modi. Not just the 2002 riots taint that is haunting him but his belligerent, almost anti-democratic political style is no less of an issue. Look at the way he took on Sanjay Joshi, his former friend and colleague. Even his best fans in the party tried to pacify him but Modi remained stubborn and threw Joshi out of the positions of power in the party.

Quite ruthlessly and cold-bloodedly he decimated his mentor Keshubhai Patel without speaking a word against him. The way he has refused, time and again, to apologise for the 2002 riots suggests that he knows what he is doing. He has not fallen in the media's trap.

The CMO in Gandhinagar is the most political and hyper-active office in Gujarat. Recently when the district panchayat elections were held, staff of the CMO kept track of every single seat, voting patterns and even ensured that maximum district panchayats were captured by the BJP.

With a burning desire, unlimited resources, unwavering focus and the RSS's compulsion to back him and a pan-Indian network of supporters he is preparing his campaign to tour India after July. He has solid backing of the party cadre and its infrastructure. Not to forget the money power that makes him best prepared amongst his colleagues to fight the coming election.
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So what are Modi's back of the envelope calculations to achieve his ambitions?

There is nothing light or casual about Modi. His supporters say the BJP will seriously look at fighting only 325 seats out of 543 seats in the Lok Sabha. Some 120 seats are such where Muslim votes will dominate. It is difficult in a country like India to predict where and how the political mood will swing on the day of the election. But as on March 2013, the BJP is expecting 150/170 seats for itself.

A BJP leader close to Modi told rediff.com that the BJP can expect to improve its Uttar Pradesh tally to 23/24 seats in the best case scenario. Although the Samajwadi Party's stock is down due to Akhilesh Yadav's bad governance, BJP managers think the SP can't get less than 30 seats.

If the Congress loses badly and ends up, say, below 100 then it necessarily doesn't help Modi or the BJP automatically. Because, if the BJP is restricted to around 150 seats and the Congress fares poorly then the regional parties will be the main gainer of the anti-Congress votes at the cost of the BJP.

So the primary calculation presents a tough scenario and sets hard challenges. The stakes are set too high and it's a long, long way to go for Modi.
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Will he stand for election from Uttar Pradesh?

Yes, as on today, he is planning to. Modi's difficulty will not end even after the National Democratic Alliance gets a comfortable number of seats. To ensure his claim for the PM's gaddi he will have to stand for election outside Gujarat and win with a handsome margin. He has to quickly shed his identity of being a 'regional leader' and that can happen quickly and forcefully only if he contests and wins from Uttar Pradesh.

To stake claim for the top post this is a must for Modi. Modi is, right now, assessing a few seats in UP's Purvanchal region that falls around Gorkhpur and also Lucknow and Varanasi but the final choice will be such where caste-divide is the least.

Modi will always avoid the caste-mine of Indian politics. He belongs to the Ghanchi-Baniya community that comes in the bracket of 'other backward classes' in Gujarat. But he never highlights his caste in order to keep the Hindu votes united. He thinks that caste essentially divides the Hindu vote-bank. That's why the Congress will have the twin powerful political weapons of the secular card and the caste card to fight the onslaught of Modi.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 0307.htm#5
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That's the way he may be looking at his position within the party-fold, but what makes him confident to take on the Congress at the national level and the regional parties at the state level?

Modi's camp knows well that it's easy to hit out at the Congress and the Gandhi family right now when its stock is down, but the BJP won't find it easy to fight the regional parties.

Modi's calculation will surely go awry if the anti-Congress votes go en-block to the regional parties in Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, West Bengal etc. The BJP gains only if the anti-Congress votes get divided in UP. But if the anti-Congress voters do not come the BJP's way and largely goes to the Samajwadi Party and the Bahujan Samaj Party then the BJP will face tough competition in the form of a strong grouping of regional parties after the election. It is established now that in UP, the BJP gains only if the Muslim votes get divided. {This means end to windbag's policy of pandering to M vote}

Modi is confident only in harnessing the anti-Congress emotion in the country but regional parties are real threat to him and his party.

At a personal level, surely he is concerned about the taint of the 2002 Gujarat riots or the issue of the denial of an American visa.

But he is trying his best to make virtue out of the problems.

Recently a senior BJP office bearer was asked by a senior official from the US consulate in Mumbai if Modi is going to apply for a visa? They were worried that the US embassy will have to reject it but at some cost and huge controversy. The BJP leader told the American, "Modi has told us that he will never ever ask for an American visa. One day the Americans will come to him with the invitation."

Modi is determined to turn the tables against America, the Maharashtra-born BJP leader claims.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 0307.htm#1
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What Sheela Butt was doing was Put 1 favorable quote and then puts her own venom/hate to make him look mean, bad and angry. She knows what she is doing. Pay check ka baath hai na...
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Just watch in UP, K'taka and even TN... A lot of people even in villages know Modi and support him in 2014. They are waiting for it. They will break all loyalties in 2014.

If Modi really starts July yatra, then all bets are off.
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Except last two points, i doubt she is spitting any venom. But funny thing is that she has to imagine an interview (based on quotes from Modi supporters, critiques etc) because she can't get any interview from Modi. But "Paapi" pet ka sawal hai.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 872284.cms

Now that malnutrition turned out be a LIE, the SUCM PAID MEDIA started new front against Modi. These bozos won't stop.
The so-called Gujarat model may have propelled Narendra Modi to the next orbit and the investment inflow may have quadrupled over the past decade. But has the rapid industrialization translated into employment?

Industrial investment has grown from Rs 66,000 crore in 2000 to Rs 2,40,000 crore in 2010 at a compounded annual growth rate ( CAGR) of 22%. Gross output, too, has grown at a handsome rate of 22%. There were about 1,000 medium and large factories added during this period. However, when it came to job creation, the growth was a dismal 3%, according to data available with Union ministry of statistics and programme implementation.

As per the latest socio-economic survey of the state government, there are 8.79 lakh job seekers listed on the employment exchange as on October 31, 2012. Of this, 8.15 lakh are educated youth.

But the reality could be grimmer. Hemantkumar Shah, an academician considered close to the Sangh ideology, says Gujarat is a classic example of jobless growth. "There has been a decline in growth rates of employment in the decade 2001-2011," he says, arguing that the state government's claim of eight lakh jobless people in Gujarat is not accurate. "There are about 16 lakh unemployed youth, double than what is on record. Data obtained from statistical department suggests that." The annual rate of growth of employment in Gujarat was 2.4% during 1999-00 - 2004-05 (2.89% in India), and it fell to 1.3% during 2004-05 to 2009-10 (1.48% in India).

"The quantity of employment is a concern. But a bigger concern is quality of jobs, low wages, very poor working condition and almost no social protection," says Prof Indira Hirvey. "There is also outright non-implementation of the International Labour Organisation's concept of decent work."

More alarming is the exclusiveness in employment -- there is declining participation of women. And in spite of the high industrial growth, the share of the manufacturing sector in the total employment remains at 20%. But that of the service sector has increased.

The top 10 sectors contributing to Gujarat's industrial output are petrochemicals (35%), chemicals (15%), metals (8%), textiles (5%), food (7%), power (5%), machinery (3%), pharma (2%), plastics (2%), auto (2%) and oil (2%).
Just check. For next 2 months, this will become a buzz word of the PAID SCUMS.
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who is the string puller of this Sepoy.
POLLING PRIME MINISTERS
- There are possibilities apart from Rahul Gandhi and Modi

RAMACHANDRA GUHA

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130309/j ... TpmT9b3D3U
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Also remember that notwithstanding Modi's brash behaviour, corporate India, big fat cats of the western world and even 'vested interests' in vital ministries in his state and in New Delhi are backing Modi. Try and talk to the shadowy middlemen and you will know why they back Modi. They want a 'decision maker' in New Delhi -- which is an image Modi has built up successfully.
This is very interesting.

Given Indian geopolitical scenario, In house capabilities and world arms developers, there is a limited set options for India.
- it has to buy its defense needs for at least 20 more years
- it has to buy from Russia, Israel, US and EU
- the arms manufactures do not mind paying agency fees, it is built into their pricing models

It doesn't matter if they pay an Indian agent or western agent (of course they prefer this) as long as deals are made.

This is a $100B demand with potential commission of $5b. This is the force no one can fight with and NM can win this coalition without match :mrgreen:

Slowly but surely S.TN will be a lonely place :P
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RamaY wrote:Slowly but surely S.TN will be a lonely place :P
While I understand you are referring to one poster specifically it is still distracting, demeaning and somewhat alienating to keep having a go at one region. In the AP history thread there are innumerable CTs running the gamut. Would you like references to that in every thread?
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Sushupti wrote:
How well prepared is Modi?

First, understand his enormously difficult task. There remains no doubt that it can be 'taken for granted' that if the UPA wins enough seats to form the next coalition government then Rahul Gandhi has no competition in getting into 7, Race Course Road. There is no suspense at all about it.

But in complete contrast, Modi's current journey is a fascinating event because there is a huge suspense. The odds are stacked against Modi. Not just the 2002 riots taint that is haunting him but his belligerent, almost anti-democratic political style is no less of an issue. Look at the way he took on Sanjay Joshi, his former friend and colleague. Even his best fans in the party tried to pacify him but Modi remained stubborn and threw Joshi out of the positions of power in the party.

Quite ruthlessly and cold-bloodedly he decimated his mentor Keshubhai Patel without speaking a word against him. The way he has refused, time and again, to apologise for the 2002 riots suggests that he knows what he is doing. He has not fallen in the media's trap.

The CMO in Gandhinagar is the most political and hyper-active office in Gujarat. Recently when the district panchayat elections were held, staff of the CMO kept track of every single seat, voting patterns and even ensured that maximum district panchayats were captured by the BJP.

With a burning desire, unlimited resources, unwavering focus and the RSS's compulsion to back him and a pan-Indian network of supporters he is preparing his campaign to tour India after July. He has solid backing of the party cadre and its infrastructure. Not to forget the money power that makes him best prepared amongst his colleagues to fight the coming election.
The media is going crazy :twisted: they don't know what they are writing.

This piece can be said about Sonia Gandhi and Congress party.

Look at the way they kicked out Sitaram Kesari. Look at the way they treated PVNR, the PM of India who can be said as one of the top two best PMs india ever had.

Look at how they killed Robert Vadras parents. And so on..
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anjan wrote:
RamaY wrote:Slowly but surely S.TN will be a lonely place :P
While I understand you are referring to one poster specifically it is still distracting, demeaning and somewhat alienating to keep having a go at one region. In the AP history thread there are innumerable CTs running the gamut. Would you like references to that in every thread?
S.TN is the BR term (ArmenT can add it to BR dictionary if he wants) for the regions/groups/ideologies that DEMAND special entitlements beyond other regions/groups/ideologies that humbly claim Bharatiyaness unconditionally.

I called certain sections of T-vadis Pakis for making similar demands.
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Sushupti wrote:
Will he stand for election from Uttar Pradesh?

Yes, as on today, he is planning to. Modi's difficulty will not end even after the National Democratic Alliance gets a comfortable number of seats. To ensure his claim for the PM's gaddi he will have to stand for election outside Gujarat and win with a handsome margin. He has to quickly shed his identity of being a 'regional leader' and that can happen quickly and forcefully only if he contests and wins from Uttar Pradesh.
I hope NM contests elections either from Jammu or Kerala or North East and wins with thumping majority.
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Sushupti wrote:Except last two points, i doubt she is spitting any venom. But funny thing is that she has to imagine an interview (based on quotes from Modi supporters, critiques etc) because she can't get any interview from Modi. But "Paapi" pet ka sawal hai.
Agree. That is a good article by all means.

It shows media bias, congress fears and NM challenges.

The main worry is that as and when NM goes to public, all these parties will go into Arapian sea.
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NM should fight on two seats (as all major first time PM candidates did, Indira, ABV, Sonia), one in Gujarat (safe) and one in UP (to energise UP and have Cow Belt consider him as their own). If NK goes out of NDA, go for Broke and Contest UP and Bihar (Patna and Lucknow) and then see the magic of Modi.
rgds,
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Industrial investment has grown from Rs 66,000 crore in 2000 to Rs 2,40,000 crore in 2010 at a compounded annual growth rate ( CAGR) of 22%. Gross output, too, has grown at a handsome rate of 22%. There were about 1,000 medium and large factories added during this period. However, when it came to job creation, the growth was a dismal 3%, according to data available with Union ministry of statistics and programme implementation.
A 3% increase in labor force resulted in 22% CAGR in gross output and industrial investment? That means Gujarat is entering into real industrial mode. This also means the incomes will increase, if not 22% but atleast 10% which means Gujaratis are getting wealthier.

What an idiot to miss that simple point.
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RamaY wrote:S.TN is the BR term (ArmenT can add it to BR dictionary if he wants) for the regions/groups/ideologies that DEMAND special entitlements beyond other regions/groups/ideologies that humbly claim Bharatiyaness unconditionally.

I called certain sections of T-vadis Pakis for making similar demands.
It's pretty odd to point to another set of name calling about another group you don't belong to as some sort of defence. Anyway it references one guy claiming to speak on behalf of one region much as you seem to claim to speak for something. Ultimately everyone speaks for themselves and extrapolating much further is counterproductive. Snide comments and beating about the bush with oblique references is not particularly bharatiya and seems more in keeping with the Diggy style of commentary. Anyway OT and likely wasted.
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^ thank you. You made your point. Let me make my point.
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