Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Feb 21, 2013

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 26 Mar 2013 20:28

Rajesh ji, I misunderstood your comment. Yes shiv ji earlier pointed out Levien's article which too seems to support Rudradev ji analysis.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Mar 2013 20:37

Lalmohan wrote:jarnails might be under orders, but you know how non-state actors in pakistan are always taking to the stage... the lure of the limelight is too strong!

recall how Akbar's guardian Bairam Khan got cutletted while going on Haj!

I used to think the constant killings in the Sultanate period were due to the pre-modern people. I now think its in the religion they profess. Look at Bilawal's tiff. Most likely Dupercent will become dear to Allah a la Gh(i)asuddin Tughlaq

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Mar 2013 20:42

CRS, Dont discount India's capabilities and efforts. Fingerprints wont be there.
Since 1998, India has been trying to get the US to choke the TSP monster and US has always been walking away.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Mar 2013 20:45

Bilawal just had no heart in doing electoral campaigning for PPP, that too in the heat of both the sun and the threat from the deep state and their non-state actors.

Love with Mr. Khar in cooler climes is a much more inviting prospect.

He simply used the excuse of a tiff with Zardari Sr. to get the hell out! Or Mr. Zardari did not feel like putting the life of his son on the line!

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 26 Mar 2013 20:47

RajeshA wrote:venug ji,

according to Rudradev ji, ISI is responsible both for increasing the jihadi danger to the USA as well as in giving concrete intelligence on any operations planned by jihadis, thus proving its usefulness to USA. If ISI is out of the loop, the threat to USA from AfPak trained Jihadis become REAL, as nobody then has control over the Jihadis. Then USA would have to take care of Pakistan directly.

Excellent point Rajesh A ji. In fact, there is proof of concept to show that things WOULD in fact work exactly as you predict.

The proof lies in the case of Abdulmuttalab, the Underwear Bomber. His attempt to blow up a Northwest Airlines aircraft in Detroit stands completely unique from most cases of jihadi terrorism attempted against the US homeland since 9/11, for an important reason: no direct connection to ISI. He was a Nigerian recruited by AQAP in Yemen, and indoctrinated/trained by an Al Qaeda cleric of American birth, Anwar Al-Awlaki.

So in contrast to the dozens of Pakis and Bangladeshis who have formed the bulk of terror "threats" against the US homeland since 9/11... which were in fact calibrated demonstrations of ISI capability, never intended to succeed... Abdulmuttalab represented a REAL threat such as you describe above.

What was the outcome? The US ordered a drone strike and, ignoring the whines of human rights types who argued that Al-Awlaki was a US citizen and deserved "due process"... they directly, personally gave Al-Awlaki his 72. Khatam! No dancing around with pots of financial and military aid, no major non-NATO ally, nothing. They knew that Al-Awlaki wasn't shadowboxing with calibrated demonstrations of capability designed to blackmail Washington for aid. They knew that he really meant to hurt the US if he could, and they took him out.

That may well be what would happen if the ISI, as you suggest, got removed from the equation. The US would begin to perceive the Paki jihadis as a genuine, immediate, lethal threat rather than a shadow-boxer's puppets. And probably take appropriate action, on a far larger scale than Al-Awlaki.

Shiv has been right all along! Total, unmitigated jihadi takeover of the Bakistani state is what is needed.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Mar 2013 21:44

Rudradev ji,

Exploring your model further ...

for a long time on BRF we were accustomed to looking for ideological differences within the TSPA. We used to differentiate them as the bearded-type and the whiskey-swirling type faujis.

As far as hate towards India is concerned, we felt, both are one and the same. But still there was this American prism which was difficult to escape, that there is indeed a difference between the two.

It seems more and more likely that the differences are not ideological but rather transactional.

1) "Bearded-Type Faujis" - do not have active dealings with USA.
2) "Whiskey-Swirling Faujis" - have an active intelligence cooperation with USA

The beards and the whiskey are basically simply for show for their US intelligence partners and needed to calibrate American ease and discomfiture. The beards in TSPA are intended to increase anxiety among the Americans, the whiskey is there to remove that anxiety.

The convincing creation and removal of anxiety of the Americans and the West and now China too is the whole business model of TSPA. TSPA would not tolerate a structural change in this capability including from America.

What ISI-branch of TSPA does is control all the resources and networks required for making good on the threat - the middlemen, the handlers, the bomb material, the tanzeem heads, the mullahs, etc. Many in the Gulf, UK and elsewhere are part of the ISI network.

So if any true believer decides to become terrorist, he is guided the whole way by ISI and its global network, and in the end often delivered into the arms of the FBI or CIA.

The whole Command & Control of this global ISI network is in Pindi and perhaps to some extent in UK/Dubai. If that were to break, the whole network unravels and becomes truly cellular and amorphous. When that happens the threat increases to the West as the chances of intelligence failure also increases especially with a whole ocean of radicalized Islamic youth. The West thinks it can continue to enjoy control over them through their friends in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Jordan and Pakistan.

I think the other thing that the West is afraid of is China taking over patronage over this Islamic alliance. Chinese footprint in the Gulf and Pakistan has increased a lot.

Of course to some extent USA is mired in their vested interests in the Middle-East. But it is also now becoming a susceptible to Islamic terrorist threat with many Muslims now spread out throughout the West, especially in Britain, so one can presume that some policies of the West, e.g. in Syria, in Iran could be a direct consequence of this blackmail.

Since Saudi Arabia provides the ideology and the money and the ISI provides the manpower and logistics, Saudis are not willing to break off their cooperation with Pakistan either. It allows the Sauds to be a big part of this blackmail of the West and thus to profit from it besides having other means of persuasion, e.g. money, investments.

What we really need to do is to provide a parallel logistics network for the Jihadis so that they can bring down the ISI CnC.

I think one reason USA was uneasy with Indian presence in Afghanistan was exactly for this reason. If we were to develop our own relations and equations with the Afghan Pushtuns, they would know how to influence the Taliban within Pakistan itself, and we could have eroded the whole ISI CnC through the "Bad Taliban". That is also one reason why the Americans were not only targeting the "Good Taliban" in AfPak but also the "Bad Taliban", even though "Bad Taliban" were not fighting US forces in Afghanistan at all, for that is in the interests of both ISI and Americans. Americans now cannot afford to have the ISI lose control over the Islamists, and the "Bad Taliban" could crack this control.

The whole Kerry-Lougar-Hermann Bill is Jizya for protection against Islamic attacks.

The funny part is that USA cannot really do anything against this monster. If they crush the head - the ISI, then the body would fall apart into milions of snakes, all with their independent heads. If they crush the body, the head would continue producing more and in fact helping Americans kill little parts of it. All the while the snake expands!

India really loses nothing by crushing the head. It is a game India would have to play alone, because everybody is on the other side, either as the threat or as the compromised.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Mar 2013 22:10

As i said, Pakistani inbred provide us perfect excuse to remove their terror based ideological underpinning from the human world. The conflict must go on till the objective is obtained. Paki should be encouraged on the path of Jihad so we can do Hasab by removing religious Naqab over the political Qitab.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 26 Mar 2013 23:11

yawn reports

RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kayani has summoned an important meeting of the Corps Commanders for Wednesday, DawnNews reported.

Kayani will chair the session during which some key issues, including the Army chief’s recent meeting with US Secretary of State John Kerry, are expected to be discussed.

The Army chief met Kerry on Sunday during his scheduled visit to Jordan. According to the ISPR, both discussed the reconciliation process in Afghanistan and security issues concerning the South Asian Region.

Sources told DawnNews that Kayani will take the Corps Commanders into confidence over his meeting with the US Secretary of State.

Other key issues, including decisions relating to the Army’s support to the ECP during the coming general election, and the reconciliation process in and Nato troops withdrawal from Afghanistan are likely to be discussed during the meeting.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Mar 2013 23:18

RajeshA wrote:Rudradev ji,

Exploring your model further ...

for a long time on BRF we were accustomed to looking for ideological differences within the TSPA. We used to differentiate them as the bearded-type and the whiskey-swirling type faujis.

As far as hate towards India is concerned, we felt, both are one and the same. But still there was this American prism which was difficult to escape, that there is indeed a difference between the two.

It seems more and more likely that the differences are not ideological but rather transactional.

1) "Bearded-Type Faujis" - do not have active dealings with USA.
2) "Whiskey-Swirling Faujis" - have an active intelligence cooperation with USA

The beards and the whiskey are basically simply for show for their US intelligence partners and needed to calibrate American ease and discomfiture. The beards in TSPA are intended to increase anxiety among the Americans, the whiskey is there to remove that anxiety.

The convincing creation and removal of anxiety of the Americans and the West and now China too is the whole business model of TSPA. TSPA would not tolerate a structural change in this capability including from America.

What ISI-branch of TSPA does is control all the resources and networks required for making good on the threat - the middlemen, the handlers, the bomb material, the tanzeem heads, the mullahs, etc. Many in the Gulf, UK and elsewhere are part of the ISI network.

So if any true believer decides to become terrorist, he is guided the whole way by ISI and its global network, and in the end often delivered into the arms of the FBI or CIA.

The whole Command & Control of this global ISI network is in Pindi and perhaps to some extent in UK/Dubai. If that were to break, the whole network unravels and becomes truly cellular and amorphous. When that happens the threat increases to the West as the chances of intelligence failure also increases especially with a whole ocean of radicalized Islamic youth. The West thinks it can continue to enjoy control over them through their friends in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Jordan and Pakistan.

I think the other thing that the West is afraid of is China taking over patronage over this Islamic alliance. Chinese footprint in the Gulf and Pakistan has increased a lot.

Of course to some extent USA is mired in their vested interests in the Middle-East. But it is also now becoming a susceptible to Islamic terrorist threat with many Muslims now spread out throughout the West, especially in Britain, so one can presume that some policies of the West, e.g. in Syria, in Iran could be a direct consequence of this blackmail.

Since Saudi Arabia provides the ideology and the money and the ISI provides the manpower and logistics, Saudis are not willing to break off their cooperation with Pakistan either. It allows the Sauds to be a big part of this blackmail of the West and thus to profit from it besides having other means of persuasion, e.g. money, investments.

What we really need to do is to provide a parallel logistics network for the Jihadis so that they can bring down the ISI CnC.

I think one reason USA was uneasy with Indian presence in Afghanistan was exactly for this reason. If we were to develop our own relations and equations with the Afghan Pushtuns, they would know how to influence the Taliban within Pakistan itself, and we could have eroded the whole ISI CnC through the "Bad Taliban". That is also one reason why the Americans were not only targeting the "Good Taliban" in AfPak but also the "Bad Taliban", even though "Bad Taliban" were not fighting US forces in Afghanistan at all, for that is in the interests of both ISI and Americans. Americans now cannot afford to have the ISI lose control over the Islamists, and the "Bad Taliban" could crack this control.

The whole Kerry-Lougar-Hermann Bill is Jizya for protection against Islamic attacks.

The funny part is that USA cannot really do anything against this monster. If they crush the head - the ISI, then the body would fall apart into milions of snakes, all with their independent heads. If they crush the body, the head would continue producing more and in fact helping Americans kill little parts of it. All the while the snake expands!

India really loses nothing by crushing the head. It is a game India would have to play alone, because everybody is on the other side, either as the threat or as the compromised.

A picture is worth a thousand words etc. etc....

ramana wrote:Thanks to Shiv!

Updated cartoon:

Prem wrote:

Looks like US cartoonists have caught on!!!

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 26 Mar 2013 23:58

Of course Pakis can do much better, but so far the harvest hasn't been too bad, you reap what you sow!

About 49,000 killed in Pakistan after 9/11: SC told

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 27 Mar 2013 00:53

post deleted - quoted an old post!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Mar 2013 01:08

ramana garu,

An interesting dynamic is that Americans are willing to feed the Sapera and let him breed more snakes, rather than crush him and have to face the snakes without Sapera's help, despite knowing about Sapera's duplicity in this game!

The cartoon is I believe wrong in that it presupposes that Americans are not aware of TSPA's treachery. It is just that Americans would rather pay jizya than go after the Islamics!

It is true that Americans use Pakis for their strategic objectives, but parallel to this also runs the constant blackmail.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Mar 2013 01:26

The cartoon is of pre OBL Narakwas era . But still ,Money is being paid to breed, feed and keep the snakes in "South Asia". Every one on the play acts willfully ignorant . What's the game?. Has to be Racial, Religious or simple retardness as nothing else make sense. All India need to do is to make sure current boiling temperature in Pawkissistan is not lowered while increasing the cost of sustaining PoaqKeep with time . Make Pakistan 50 billion$ a year problem for 3.5 Asshiqs and watch the show .

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 27 Mar 2013 03:11

I think america and chinese presence and influence over pakistan will ensure the following:
1. pakistan will remain dependent. It will only survive and will never improve, just like past 6 decades
2. corrupt and proxy regimes will continue in pakistan
3. there will always be groups fighting within pakistan. A terrorist free pakistan is in nobody's interest, except may be for India, but I doubt
4. It will remain an irritant to us but will never be able to cripple India. As the gap of progress will increase so will paki frustration

Basically an economically and politically strong, nuclear, jihadi pakistan is a world's nightmare. It will not reach to that and will never be allowed to...by everyone involved and invested in pakistan.

Pakistan will die in the hands of its 3.5. It will be slow and pakis will not enjoy.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 27 Mar 2013 06:47

Rudradev wrote: The proof lies in the case of Abdulmuttalab, the Underwear Bomber. His attempt to blow up a Northwest Airlines aircraft in Detroit stands completely unique from most cases of jihadi terrorism attempted against the US homeland since 9/11, for an important reason: no direct connection to ISI.

The 3 most important aspects of the Underwear bomber case are -

(1) The "well-dressed" man who pulled strings to put Abdulmuttalab onto the plane in Amsterdam, even without a passport. This man is probably a bigger fish than Abdulmuttalab himself
(2) The way in which this man was subsequently totally ignored by the US mainstream media, so much so that most folks are quite ignorant of him.
(3) The Headley-like manner in which US agencies had been given multiple warnings about Abdulmuttalab, long before the bombing incident.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Mar 2013 07:47

Da Moment Approaches Soon for hosing down Khoon

Musharraf to enjoy full security

ISLAMABAD: As former president Pervez Musharraf is expected to arrive in Islamabad on March 28, security forces have begun making arrangements for his time in the city, including the deployment of three commandos at his home and road blockades and increased vigilance in the area.
The police have put roadblocks around the farmhouse and on nearby access roads, slowing approaching vehicles for ‘security purposes’. Personnel at the Shahzad Town police station will be deployed at temporary pickets to scrutinise people approaching the residence.While the intelligence agencies have been less forthcoming about their contributions to security for the former president, their officers are reported to be “performing their duties” around Musharraf’s home.Police superintendents are deeply involved in the arrangements, with the SP City and SP Rural both expected to receive Musharraf when he arrives at Benazir Bhutto International Airport, from where they will escort him to his farmhouse.The SP City will be responsible for providing security personnel during Musharraf’s movements in Islamabad, coordinating with the former president’s staff as needed.In a press conference in Karachi, Musharraf claimed that he would come to Islamabad on March 28. The date is not yet firm, however, and according to a police official, the officers responsible for Musharraf’s security have not been given any concrete details. “Usually, officers receive details a few hours beforehand,” the official said, suggesting that the lack of prior information was a way of ensuring greater safety

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Mar 2013 07:59

Snoopy Ice Cream Parlour and the real story of Daniel Pearl's kidnapping

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Mar 2013 09:35

Punjab Division will Lead to Disintegration of Pakistan

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Mar 2013 10:00

Jihadi Sethi is the new Punjab caretaker CM. Meanwhile

kish · Post by **kish** » 27 Mar 2013 11:29

Finally, Justice has been served. A woman who taught kufr education for girls and spoiling these girls for 22 years has been killed in front of her son. Now, girls in that area will study just one book

and produce children for sunni believers.

Targeted attack: Schoolteacher who served Khyber Agency for 22 years shot dead

Shehnaz Ishtiaq, who served students in Khyber Agency for 22 years, was gunned down in front of her teenage son in Jamrud on Tuesday morning

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Mar 2013 12:20

SSridhar wrote:
Rajdeep wrote:Bilawal leaves Pak after tiff with Zardari over PPP affairs
The funny part is Dawn report quotes Press Trust of India for this news !
The news comes as the Press Trust of India reported that the PPP chairman had left after an argument with his father, President Asif Ali Zardari.

According to the report by the Press Trust of India, the PPP chairman had a quarrel with President Zardari and his sister Faryal Talpur over the party’s stance on several importance issues including militancy, sectarianism and the awarding of party tickets for the upcoming general elections.

The news agency reported sources as saying that Bilawal had an issue in particular with PPP’s weak reaction to the Malala Yousufzai shooting and the bomb attacks on the Shia community in Karachi and Quetta.

Blahwal vs 10% tift has curious similarities with the Congrezzi dramabazi we witness near to home. For example compare below two headlines..

"Blahwal fights with Zardari for justice to Malala"
"Blahwal speaks out against the Government's failure to protect Shias"

vs

"Differing with PM, Sonia demands a Food Security bill"
"NAC demands that NREGS minimum wage has to be linked to each state's minimum wage laws"

All in all, these choreographed tifts and fallouts expressed publicly - are to be seen as pressure valve tactics to tide over an unfavorable state of affairs and justify inaction on popular (but nonviable) demands ...

This tactic was used well by the NAC types in UPA1 and UPA2 with an obliging paid media in tow.
The Zardari clan is just now trying out such newly learned tricks of the trade from the Congrezzis .

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 27 Mar 2013 18:19

"India is largely responsible for Islamic Terrorism in TSPA"

India has long accused Pakistan-based religious seminaries of radicalising the youth and sending them over the border to fight in the Indian-administered Kashmir. She has also accused Islamabad of either covertly supporting such seminaries, or not doing enough to keep them in check. India, however, has failed to do the same domestically.

The Deoband-based seminary, Darul Uloom, is perhaps the most radical of all religious seminaries in South Asia. And whereas, religious leaders of all stripes in Pakistan, with the exception of the Taliban who are not necessarily religious but religiously motivated militants, have issued religious edicts against suicide bombings and targeting civilians, the India-based Darul Uloom has failed to do the same. Indian authorities will be well-served to recognise the challenges at home before they accuse others.

Daul Uloom maintains an active website to offer edicts on matters of interest to Muslims. Essentially, edicts are answers to questions posed by the sect’s followers. It is not what the scholars at the seminary have said about violence that raises concerns. In fact, it is their conspicuous silence that is alarming. In a question about suicide attacks against non-Muslim forces, the scholars at Darul Uloom had nothing to say. Instead, they asked the inquirer to consult the local scholars in his vicinity.

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How is it that the dozens of religious scholars in the Darul Uloom have no opinion on such an important matter? It is not that the Ulema are shy in expressing opinions. When someone inquired about how to clean one’s teeth with miswaak (a teeth-cleaning twig of the Salvadora Persica tree), the ulema offered a specific response: apply the twig across the teeth and along the tongue. They instructed to start cleaning the teeth from the right side and end on the left. They further asked to rinse and repeat three times. As for suicide bombings, the ulema at Deoband had no opinion.

The past decade of violence in Pakistan has been alleged to have been perpetrated more by the followers of the Deobandi school of thought than any other religious sect. A doctoral dissertation at the University of Pennsylvania revealed that of the 2,344 terrorists arrested in Pakistan, whose guilt was substantiated by sufficient evidence, more than 90 per cent followed the Deobandi sect.

The rise of the Deobandi sect in Pakistan was a coordinated effort sponsored by the Saudis and the Americans to raise beachheads to fight against the Soviet Army in Afghanistan. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Deobandi and other militias raised in Pakistan were of no use to the Americans. In the 90s, the graduates of the Afghan war and other madrassah alums were first deployed to the Indian-administered Kashmir to fuel the insurgency. The militants returned to Afghanistan and Pakistan after 9/11 to fight against the Americans who in fact had financed the very seminaries that produced the militants.

For Pakistan, the violence has been catastrophic. Thousands have died a violent death since the start of militancy in Pakistan, which also has an ugly sectarian side to it. Since 2003, thousands belonging to sectarian minorities, including Shias and Ahmadis along with hundreds of non-Muslims have fallen prey to the extremists. Pakistanis can use a strong religious voice against militancy and sectarianism. Instead, they have to battle the militants and the silence of their religious scholars.

Another follower of the Darul Uloom asked the scholars to opine about the fact that Pakistan-based Jamiat-e-Ulama-e-Islam (JUI), a Deoandi religo-political outfit, had partnered with the Shias. The inquirer was concerned that JUI’s teaming up with the Shias would reduce hatred against the Shias who may no longer be declared apostates. Yet again, the scholars at Deoband referred the inquirer to consult with his or her local religious leaders.

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The fact that sectarianism threatens the very survival of Pakistan should encourage the Deobandi ulema in Pakistan to speak against violence in unequivocal terms. They should chart out their own path independent of the seminary in India, which has not been helpful with its silence over violence and sectarian hatred.

Sectarian and religiously motivated violence has been consuming the region for decades. India should consider having a constructive dialogue with the religious leaders and scholars at Deoband. It is time to put the genie back in the bottle.

Murtaza_Haider-

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Mar 2013 19:11

^^ url please

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 27 Mar 2013 19:31

Dawn par hai.

Posted in full.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Mar 2013 19:50

mahadevbhu wrote:Dawn par hai.

Posted in full.

Sir. Please post the url. Articles from this forum are archived by many people including myself so that we can quote them if need be after 2 or 3 or more years. That is why we need the url ref. We cannot say "BR Forum member Mahadevbhu told us 3 years ago about this" especially if the material is to be used in a serious article as BRF people sometimes write.

Dawn par hai or Google karke dekho is unhelpful, cavalier and forum unfriendly. If the article is not your own you must quote a source.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 27 Mar 2013 19:51

Yup include the URL always pls...

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 27 Mar 2013 20:53

Shiv, since you archive the articles pls be aware of that some of us morph the urls of paki sites.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Mar 2013 21:01

If it is from a Paki site, one can put the url in the "code" tag, so that it does not increase their Search rankings.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 27 Mar 2013 21:59

Anujan wrote:Meanwhile

This photo of Gola is very interesting to look at. His posture is like a private security guy who is eager to please, hoping his eid allowance is generous. And Dimmy is not even head of state.
Wondering even if one is El Presidente or Army chief, a mohajir is always a mohajir in Al Bakistan? Maybe that is why he was over compensating.

mayo · Post by **mayo** » 27 Mar 2013 22:00

Shiv, here's the link you were looking for from mahadevbhu's post above ^

Code: Select all

http://dawn.com/2013/03/27/putting-genies-back-in-the-bottle/

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Mar 2013 23:33

Proud of Kargil operation, says Musharraf

The former military ruler of Pakistan, General (retd.)Pervez Musharraf, on Wednesday said he was “proud” of the Kargil operation and blamed the political class for squandering away a military victory.

At a press conference in Karachi — his first since returning from self-imposed exile on Sunday — he asserted that “a military victory was turned into a political defeat.”

Gen. Musharraf’s defence of the Kargil operation drew flak instantly from within Pakistan and elsewhere on the social media. At the same time, some Pakistanis sought to drive home the point that Indians held the former Army chief in greater esteem that his own fellow nationals.

The kind of media coverage his return got in India, and the frequency with which he appears on Indian television channels and gets invited to conclaves organised by the media across the border has raised eyebrows here often enough, particularly since Pakistani peace activists and players have been shown the door in India.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Mar 2013 23:35

Najam Sethi to be caretaker chief minister of Punjab

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 27 Mar 2013 23:57

pankajs wrote:Proud of Kargil operation, says Musharraf

Hoping against hope, but...

Oh, please, please let this guy become CEO of Bakistan again.

TTP was born and inflicted its most humilating defeats against the TSPA on his watch.

Lal Masjid kendostix siege and kidnapping of Cheeni nationals happened on his watch.

Kargil happened on his watch, and he is proud of it

9/11 also happened on his watch onlee.

The full-blown spiraling descent of Bakistan into the bakistan can be attributed to Musharaff, perhaps more than any other single individual.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Mar 2013 00:13

pankajs wrote:Najam Sethi to be caretaker chief minister of Punjab

So Hajam Sethi is really part of the deep state in Pakjab!!!!! And Indian folks/WKK think he is just a journalist!!!!

its like Shekar Duppatta being made caretaker PM of India for Pakjab is Pakistan!

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 28 Mar 2013 02:17

^^^^ do not trust hwajam for any less.He mentioned above his heroics on going to fight ka phir yinddoos when he heard that they were on gates of Lawhore.With his lakdis of pure better than guns of not pure they thought they can defeat them but they found the yindoos were no way near their town. He is mjhaid always and always will be typical paki

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 28 Mar 2013 02:58

Speaking of Pakistani mard-e-momins, Im the dim seems to be the natural inheritor to Djinnah's legacy.

Both men went to England for their higher education.

Both lived glamorous lifestyles, with pork, whisky and phoren wimmens on the menu.

Both married outside their religion. Jinnah's second marriage was to a Parsi Rattanbai Petit who converted.

Both marriages broke down.

Both leaders attracted a core following of social butterflies and elites.

Both men have (had) vague political philosophies, and kept their public pronouncements vague and conflicting. More than 60 years on, Pakistanis are still arguing whether Djinnah was a fundamentalist Muslim leader or a (cuttle-able) secularist.

Im the dim is trying to mirror Djinnah's rise to power, on the back of a small group of power brokers.

One hopes that Im the dim, like Djinnah, will go on to create a separate nation for his people onlee. The next version of Pakistan awaits.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 28 Mar 2013 03:08

from India Today.

Sethi, who hosts the programme "Apas Ki Baat" on Geo News, told the channel: "I will ensure the holding of free and fair polls and that good candidates are elected".

"Sethi also called Nawaz Sharif today and ensured him that he would remain impartial if the PML-N backs him," the source said.

So, he defines who is a good candidate and he will be selectively impartial?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Mar 2013 05:23

Ready to work for peace without Pakistan help: Afghanistan
Proud Pathan Bitten BY Honorless, Miskeen Pakjabi Black Dog

KABUL: Afghanistan is shocked by “Pakistan’s complacency” in the nascent Afghan peace process and is ready to work without Islamabad’s help on reconciliation, Deputy Foreign Minister Jawed Ludin told Reuters on Wednesday.It is the first time Afghanistan has suggested the possibility of going it alone without its neighbour.Regional power Pakistan is seen as critical to stabilising Afghanistan because of its long ties to insurgent groups.Ludin also said the government would look to senior Taliban prisoners recently handed over by the United States in Bagram prison to urge militants to pursue peace. He did not elaborate.Afghan officials had been pushing Pakistan hard to influence the Taliban and other groups to join reconciliation efforts and Kabul had spoken of progress after Islamabad released some Taliban prisoners who could promote peace.But Ludin, who is widely believed to shape foreign policy, told Reuters in an interview that Afghanistan had noted a shift in Pakistan’s position towards peace efforts that are gaining more urgency as foreign forces prepare to leave by the end of 2014.“We here in Kabul are in a bit of a state of shock at once again being confronted by the depth of Pakistan’s complacency, we are just very disappointed,” he said.“But what has happened in the last few months for us, (we) see that Pakistan is changing the goal post every time we reach understanding.”Military trip cancelled
Afghanistan also cancelled a military trip to Pakistan due to what the foreign ministry called “unacceptable Pakistani shelling” of the country’s mountainous eastern borderlands.The Afghan foreign ministry claimed more than two dozen Pakistani artillery shells were fired into its eastern province of Kunar on March 25 and 26.The cancellation of the trip and days of angry diplomatic exchanges have placed further strain on an already fraught relationship.Eleven Afghan National Army (ANA) officers had been due to take part in a simulated military exercise at the Staff College in the Pakistani city of Quetta.“This visit will no longer take place due to the resumption of unacceptable Pakistani artillery shelling against different parts of Kunar province from across the Durand Line on Monday and Tuesday,” the ministry statement said.A Pakistani military official told AFP it had “no details” of the cancellation and declined to give any other immediate response.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 28 Mar 2013 11:03

Am curious to understand what sort of politics is at play here , when Sethi has been approved to be made the CT CM of Punjab by the Badmash bros. who are the current rulers. And to boot he was nominated by Pee Pee Pee.

If I am not wrong Sethi was taken under arrest (under Treason charge) Salim Shezad style in 1999 when Badmash was the ruler. He was tortured in jail , where according to reports he even suffered a heart attack.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Mar 2013 11:30

Rajdeep, read DT editorial today to understand the play.