Anujan wrote:THANK YOU!! For agreeing with me. I posted an article that clearly stated that Arjun has torsion bar problems. The posters here posted unverified articles that Arjun does not have a torsion bar. So obviously one or the other is true. Thinking about it, it doesnt matter what is true to prove the final point.Drishyaman wrote: I have seen people using this 'torsion bar' trick in this thread earlier also to catch a person not having much knowledge on Arjun
What people here dont realize is that it is not a question of which tank is better, but which tank is available in numbers and can be serviced in numbers.
(A) If Arjun does in fact have torsion bar problems, why wasnt it fixed? Was it a DRDO issue with poor design or was it an Avadi issue of poor quality control?
(B) If Arjun does not have a torsion bar to begin with, why not? If Avadi cannot even produce enough torsion bars for tanks, how do they expect to produce enough arjuns in quantity to fight a war? DRDO might have good designs to begin with, but Avadi does not have the production capacity what use is it? Then Arjun is just a paper tank.
It is the duty of every taxpayer to question why the production capacity of something trivial like torsion bars have not been ramped up.
We should next discuss how Arjun 120mm gun is not good enough, and how one all knowing, poster here knows the Indian Army will replace the 120mm gun on the Arjun with the Russian 125mm gun.
Then also how the Army will order 1500 Arjuns - but wait it has to first replace T-55s (never mind these lighter tanks can be deployed in areas where even the T-72s dont go).
The Arjun was in anyways not ready when the T-90 was ready. Readiness for T-90 is:
1. Thermal sight doesnt work for decade after induction, so no prolonged use
2. Ballistic computer does not recognize non Russian ammo, so India has to run after Russia which plays hard. India finally asks TATA/DRDO to make a new BC for the T-90
3. TOT is delayed as Russians refuse to provide armor plate and gun barrels citing confidentiality (something which never came up when gobbling the deal money, hyuck, hyuck, hyuck). Now Midhani/DMRL give the plates and India sent umpteen delegations for the barrel, which worked after OFB showed off a replacement barrel for the 125mm gun. Suddenly oh boy, barrel tech is no longer critical.
4. Basic T-90s design is rubbish, with ammunition all around the crew compartment. But hey that's ok. Arjun MK1-MK2 on the other need to have crew protection etc. Which they demoed.
5. Much talk of T-90 having soooper missile firing capability. Only problem sooper missiles didnt work. Back to Russia to solve problems and order 25K more. Apparently because regular Russian rounds with T-90 cannot penetrate Pakistani T80s at combat ranges, so instead lets buy overpriced Russian silver bullet missiles in the hope at least they do.
6. Much talk of super duper fireing capability of T-90. Shown to be inferior to Arjun MK1. Army response, lets have MK2 with even more super duper features (err for another set of trials for Arjun to win and T-90 to get ordered?)
7. AUCRT trials oh oh my....issues pointed with T-90? Imagers missing (still dont work), engines have issues (who knows whether these were fixed or not)?
Whichever bunch of jokers came up with the T-90 deal, need to be investigated. This sort of stuff makes the Westland game look peanuts.