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UAE arrests 7 people who are AQ and were planning acts in the UAE.
For the last couple of months newspapers in the UAE have been buzzing almost regularly about this..

A 'clandestine' group allegedly funded by the muslim brotherhood/AQ had plans to mount a coup in the country, It was discovered last year...

Links:
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=54474

http://en.fujairahnews.net/News.aspx?id=4504&sid=3

Somewhat detailed: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... aight.html

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/crime ... -1.1159917

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/gener ... -1.1171398

Some more details about the prganization/functioning:
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/crime ... -1.1163142
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^^ the AQ arrests are not linked with the earlier arrests of the MB linked individuals and the closure of Al Islah.
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Khaleej times a few days ago noted that both the AQ and MB groups had very similar functioning ..

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/insi ... pril54.xml

quoting from the above
Quoting reports published and run in media channels that the busted cell comprised members of different nationalities, Yusuf said they were exploiting the ill-minded, poor or needy people as they did in other countries.

He said Al Qaeda had the same thought process as that of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was trying to gain the sympathy of the people and use them as per its whims.

“Such organisations and cells target the UAE for the development it has achieved and openness to other countries,” said Habib Al Sayegh, chairman of the board of directors of the UAE Writers’ Union.
A couple of months ago there were rumors that the MB cell in uae may have connections to other organizations, this coupled with the fact that the AQ cell was discovered just when investigations of al islahi are going on doesent sound like a coincident.. Then again, this is my opinion, truth may be something else...
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MB cell was political - linked with Egyptian MB. AQ group were terrorists. AQ and MB have similar thoughts but there are some differences - as AQ is largely salafi (more extreme than the extreme MB). MB is not. For example in Gaza tHAMAS are getting attacked for not being extremist enough by the salafis.

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Vashishtha wrote:Khaleej times a few days ago noted that both the AQ and MB groups had very similar functioning ..

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/insi ... pril54.xml

quoting from the above
Quoting reports published and run in media channels that the busted cell comprised members of different nationalities, Yusuf said they were exploiting the ill-minded, poor or needy people as they did in other countries.

He said Al Qaeda had the same thought process as that of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was trying to gain the sympathy of the people and use them as per its whims.

“Such organisations and cells target the UAE for the development it has achieved and openness to other countries,” said Habib Al Sayegh, chairman of the board of directors of the UAE Writers’ Union.
A couple of months ago there were rumors that the MB cell in uae may have connections to other organizations, this coupled with the fact that the AQ cell was discovered just when investigations of al islahi are going on doesent sound like a coincident.. Then again, this is my opinion, truth may be something else...

Its called the retail-chain store model under anti-trust laws. Split the parent company into several fronts - that will make respective client audiences happy and feel secure. Open different shops in different parts, all selling the same stuff - repackaged under different brands, with slightly different outward design and covers and "country of origin". The core management is the same, capital pool is the same, and exchange of personnel or resources in common - with the overall common aim of erasing any and all competition to become the monopoly. But since people might get suspicious or object - do it under cover of multiple apparently independent units.
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My definition sometime ago of "Assadfall" : any event which is promised to happen the next day, but seems to take forever. He must have gone through the centre of the earth now by this time and emerged on the other side. Maybe he is in space now falling to the centre of the galaxy?
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As the Syrian civil war gets ever more violent and destructive, there is a big beneficiary: al-Qaeda and its franchise in Syria, Jabhat al-Nusra — which is now the fastest-growing al-Qaeda front in the world, attracting fighters from across the Islamic world. Today it's focused on destroying the Bashar al-Assad regime but its ultimate goals are much bigger, attacking America and its allies in the heart of the Middle East.
The Syrian franchise gets crucial support from the al-Qaeda core in Pakistan. Al-Qaeda leader Ayman Zawahiri issued a public call in February 2012 in which he urged “every Muslim and every free and honest person in Turkey, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon to rise and help their brothers in Syria with everything they have and can do.”
Zawahiri’s call, just after the announcement of the creation of Jabhat al-Nusra and its first major attacks in Aleppo, was clearly coordinated with the fighters on the ground. Since that call, at least one senior member of the al-Qaeda Shura Council in Pakistan has traveled to Syria to further coordinate plans and operations with the core hiding in Pakistan. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton termed the exchanges of messages between al-Qaeda in Pakistan and Jabhat al-Nusra in Syria as “deeply disturbing” in one of her final interviews in office.
Jabhat al-Nusra, translated variously as the Victory Front or the Support Front for the Syrian people, was officially founded in January 2012, almost a year after the first demonstrations against the dictatorship of President Basher al Assad. It was created with the additional assistance of the al Qaeda franchise in Iraq which was formed nearly a decade ago during the American invasion of Iraq. The Iraqi base provided a safe haven for setting up the front in Syria and still provides sanctuary for the Syrian group.
Estimates of the size of Jabhat al-Nusra vary but they may now account for up to a quarter of the opposition fighters in Syria. The al-Qaeda presence is stronger around Aleppo and the north than around Damascus but it is becoming a national phenomenon. Without doubt they are among the most effective fighters in the resistance to the Assad regime and the most willing to use multiple simultaneous suicide bombings, an al-Qaeda trademark. Al-Qaeda in Iraq has a wealth of experience in developing large sophisticated bombs which has been exported into Syria.
And the front is attracting more fighters rapidly, not just among Syrians but from across the Muslim world. One estimate suggests that as many as 5000 foreign fighters have gone to Syria. A review of jihadist websites found more than 130 martyrdom notices — obituaries posted on extremist websites ‘celebrating’ the martyrdom of fighters in Syria. Most are relatively new; 85 of the 130 were posted in the last few months. The majority of these were for fighters in Jabhat al-Nusra. They came to Syria from Libya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia, Palestine, Lebanon, Australia, Chechnya, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Kosovo, Azerbaijan, France, Iraq and Spain.
Several senior European intelligence officials have told me that there is a wave of angry young Muslim men from all across Western Europe going to Syria to join al-Qaeda and fight Assad. The largest contingent is from the United Kingdom, perhaps over a hundred already. The Danish press reported that a 39-year-old Danish citizen, Slimane Hadj Abderrahmane, along with another unnamed Danish citizen, were killed fighting in Syria. Abderrahmane, the son of a Danish mother and an Algerian father, had served two years in Guantanamo after being captured by American forces in Afghanistan in 2002. Danish reports say at least thirty Danish Muslims have gone to fight with Jabhat al-Nusra in Syria.
Jabhat al-Nusra is not the only jihadist group fighting in Syria that is linked to al-Qaeda. Other smaller groups with a local focus also support the al Qaeda movement and align themselves with Jabhat al-Nusra.
Assad, of course, from the beginning of the uprising against his tyranny has blamed it all on terrorists and al-Qaeda. But the truth is that by refusing to give up power and by resorting to a brutal war against his own people, Assad has created a self-fulfilling prophecy and brought al Qaeda to Syria. The longer the war goes on, the stronger al-Qaeda will get in Syria.
The Syrian group has also tried to export its violence to Jordan. In October, the Jordanian intelligence service foiled a plot based in Syria by al-Qaeda to stage a mass casualty terror attack in Amman that was apparently modeled on the 2008 attack by Pakistani terrorists on Mumbai, India. The Jordan attack would have begun with suicide bombings in two shopping malls in Amman, then when the security forces rushed to deal with those, other attackers would have struck the American Embassy and other western diplomats in the city.
Jordanian authorities believe that the plot was scheduled to coincide with the anniversary of November 9, 2005, terrorist attacks in Amman, in which 60 people were killed and 115 injured in multiple hotel bombings. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the plot, citing its rejection of Jordan’s alliance with the United States and Jordan’s 1994 peace treaty with Israel. Jordanian intelligence said that the group nicknamed its new terror plot “9/11 the second” after the 2005 bombings. Among those arrested were two cousins of the Jordanian founder of al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musaib al Zarqawi, who planned the 2005 attacks.
For now, the jihadists are focused on Syria and winning the war against Assad. But their ambitions are much larger. The groups’ amir or leader uses the nom de guerre of Mohammad al Golani, a clear indication of al Qaeda’s hope to use Syria as a base for attacking Israel. Israeli sources say elements of Jabhat al-Nusra have already appeared opposite the Israel Defense Forces on the Golan Heights.
With a base in Syria, the jihadists can threaten American interests in the entire Levant region, Europe and our allies in Turkey, Jordan and Israel. The worst danger is that the al Nusra front will get control of some of Syria’s large chemical weapons arsenal. Bashar’s father, Hafez al-Assad, built a major chemical weapon capability in the 1980s which includes the deadly nerve agent Sarin which was first developed by the Nazis. Al-Qaeda has been trying to get a weapon of mass destruction for years. In February, Jabhat al-Nusra fighters seized the remnants of the North Korean-built nuclear reactor destroyed by the IDF in September 2007. Next the group could grab a working chemical weapon.

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http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2 ... oil-m.aspx
Is Saudi Arabia Losing Its Importance in the Oil Market?
For three decades or so, Saudi Arabia has wielded considerable influence on the global oil market. The kingdom's status as the world's only "swing producer" has given it the unparalleled ability to influence oil prices by boosting or reducing its production and exports, which it has done at various times over the past few decades.Indeed, Saudi Arabia may be the only major oil-producing nation in the world with the ability to influence the global price of oil to a noticeable degree. But now, it appears that the Saudis are gradually losing their powerful grip on the world oil market.
Why Saudi influence could diminish.There are at least two major reasons why we could see Saudi Arabia's influence on oil prices wane over coming years. The first is expected growth in non-OPEC oil supplies, mainly from North American shale and oil sands production, while the second is changing oil consumption patterns among the Saudis themselves. This year, non-OPEC supplies are expected to increase by nearly 1 million barrels a day, led mainly by production growth from U.S. shale plays like North Dakota's Bakken and Texas' Eagle Ford. Over the past few years, these plays have experienced tremendous growth, as new and improved drilling techniques have allowed operators to coax massive quantities of oil and gas from the ground.In the Bakken, for instance, Kodiak Oil & Gas (NYSE: KOG ) , which reported a tripling of average production from 2011 to 2012, is expecting to further double its production this year from last year's levels. And in the Eagle Ford, Chesapeake Energy (NYSE: CHK ) is hoping for nearly 40% production growth in the play and is targeting a year-end exit rate of roughly 70,000 barrels of liquids per day, after already having achieved an impressive 266% year-over-year production increase in the fourth quarter.Led by the Bakken, North Dakota's field production of crude oil has soared more than fivefold over the past five years, from 45.1 million in 2007 to 242.5 million barrels last year, while crude oil production in Texas, led by the Eagle Ford and the Permian Basin, has nearly doubled over the same period, from 391.1 million barrels to 721.4 million barrels. Unless production from these key states sees a sharp drop-off, OPEC and Saudi Arabia have reason to be concerned.
Growth in Saudi domestic consumption
The other major factor that suggests Saudi Arabia's influence on global oil prices could wane over the next few years is the kingdom's high and rising consumption of its own oil. In just under three decades, the Saudi population has more than doubled, from a little over 13 million in 1985 to more than 28 million people today. As the population has grown, the nation's demand for energy has exploded.In fact, Saudi oil consumption relative to its economic output is twice the global average. In per capita terms, the Saudis consume more oil than even the United States. In fact, of the almost 10 million barrels per day the kingdom produces, its own citizens use up roughly a quarter.That may be surprising considering that women -- who account for about 45% of the population -- are not allowed to drive, but not so much when you factor in the extravagant sports cars commonly sighted on Saudi roads and highways. I may be stating the obvious here, but Bugattis and Lamborghinis don't exactly get the best gas mileage.As the nation's domestic consumption has risen, its export potential has fallen. From 2005 to 2010, Saudi exports declined 23%, from 7.5 million barrels a day to 5.8 million. With domestic consumption expected to rise in the coming years, exports are likely to fall further.That's worrisome, because petroleum exports accounted for nearly 90% of total Saudi export revenues in 2011, according to OPEC. Lower export revenues make it harder to sustain the largest welfare state in the world and elevate the threat of internal instability, should dissatisfaction grow among the kingdom's citizens.
Winners and losers
If the Saudis do indeed lose control of oil prices and they fall to a sustained below-$100 level, it would have drastically different impacts on different countries, as Nick Butler of the Financial Times recently suggested. The major winners would be large oil importers, such as the U.S., China, Japan, and Europe, for whom cheaper oil would likely provide a strong economic boost.On the other hand, the losers would be major oil exporters, such as Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Nigeria, Russia, the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela, which require high oil prices to keep their national budgets balanced and, in many cases, sustain welfare payments to their growing populations. Though Saudi Arabia remains the world's largest producer and exporter of total petroleum liquids and the world's second largest crude oil producer behind Russia, its influence in the global oil market is likely to diminish if current trends continue and non-OPEC producers continue to gain larger shares of global oil production.
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India Will be approving the $100m port investment in Chabahar shortly. Good news.
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Jhujar wrote:From 2005 to 2010, Saudi exports declined 23%, from 7.5 million barrels a day to 5.8 million. With domestic consumption expected to rise in the coming years, exports are likely to fall further.That's worrisome, because petroleum exports accounted for nearly 90% of total Saudi export revenues in 2011, according to OPEC. Lower export revenues make it harder to sustain the largest welfare state in the world and elevate the threat of internal instability, should dissatisfaction grow among the kingdom's citizens.
Reason why Oil Revenues wont go below $100 for long , $100-110 for Brent and $90-100 for WTI is new Normal that the world has to live with.

Most of Gulf state gets 90 % of budget from Oil Revenue and to maintain social welfare Saudi needs $94 per barrel atleast.

Hence dont expect the Oil to fall as OPEC can cut production if the value falls down for long and Europe or US would not like to see instability due to loss of social welfare for its people.
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KSA needs oil to be at USD 70-80 to have a deficit free budget. Russia needs oil at USD 90 for the same. USA needs oil to be at least USD 50-60 to make renewable energy (including shale oil, which breaks even at USD 35-40) attractive to investors. This, then, are the red lines that the oil producers will not want to be crossed.
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Luxury prison for al-Qaida militants in Saudi Arabia
A luxury rehabilitation centre has opened in Saudi Arabia, where prisoners, mostly al-Qaida militants, will have access to such facilities as an Olympic-size indoor swimming pool, a sauna, a gym and a television hall.

Relaxing procedures will supplement sessions with counselors and talks on religion. The center spreads over an area equivalent to around 10 football pitches and is designed to provide accommodation to 228 prisoners. The primary aim of the center is to moderate extremists’ beliefs.

The new complex has been built by efforts of the Prince Mohammed bin Nayef Centre for Counselling and Care, which was set up seven years ago with the aim to work out rehabilitation facilities for extremists jailed during a Saudi crackdown on the local branch of al-Qaieda.

This centre is located in Riyadh, there is another one in the western port city of Jeddah, and three more will be opened soon.

Saudi Arabia has become a target for al-Qaida jihadists after the country said ‘yes’ to the US’s request to set up military bases there during the Gulf War and to remain there till 2003, when US troops withdrew.
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Ummayad Mosque minaret falls in clash in Aleppo

So the Syrian clash is turning out ot be a replay of the old sectarian fight in Islam between Sunnis and Shia. Last time it ended in defeat of Ali because of his misplaced piety (he refused to fight the others who put the Koran on their lances!) and Muwayya became the Caliph and relegated Shias to the margins and Sunnis became the majority sect.
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Spreading to Lebanon as well - as I mentioned in 2011, the vision is for Hezbollah to become a purely political entity. They are likely to take a big hit in this crisis based on the position they have taken. They are all into the fight now.

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Chem weapons - Major meeting taking place today in Washington DC - US Brit Canada France Israel Jordan GCC Czech in attendance. Each will be given a role in the event that chem weapons are deployed and secured. Israel only limited to intel supply. This is after meeting in Jordan where Qatar, Canada, Czech, Jo, US France UK took part and first time israel.
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abhischekcc wrote:KSA needs oil to be at USD 70-80 to have a deficit free budget. Russia needs oil at USD 90 for the same. USA needs oil to be at least USD 50-60 to make renewable energy (including shale oil, which breaks even at USD 35-40) attractive to investors. This, then, are the red lines that the oil producers will not want to be crossed.
More than the budget it is the sops that KSA has offered that requires a a steady price of $94 , Russia needs at ~ $100 dollar .....but i agree with the assessment Oil wont go down for the same reason.
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shyamd wrote:
Sanku wrote:Or the politicians deliberately egged on Saddam to attack Kuwait and later used that excuse to punish him for it.

Would be typically Brit-Saudi strategy of double dealing and backstabbing.
Evidence?
Evidence for what shyamd ji; regular and inveterate double dealing by British and Saudi Regimes? Or for the specific instance in case of Saddam Hussein?

Here is the laundry list of all items which detail the US/UK support to Saddam.

Interestingly this is where the Axis powers are basically asking Saddam that they dont care about Iraq-Kuwait conflict.

http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/glaspie.html
WASHINGTON, Sept. 22 -- On July 25,President Saddam Hussein of Iraq summoned the United States Ambassador to Baghdad, April Glaspie, to his office in the last high-level contact between the two Governments before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on Aug. 2. Here are excerpts from a document described by Iraqi Government officials as a transcript of the meeting, which also included the Iraqi Foreign Minister, Tariq Aziz. A copy was provided to The New York Times by ABC News, which translated from the Arabic. The State Department has declined to comment on its accuracy.


GLASPIE: I think I understand this. I have lived here for years. I admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. I know you need funds. We understand that and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.
Now of course one can say that, "US taking a particular stand on Iraq does not mean that UK takes the exact same stand" -- however such claims are tenous given that US-UK have always worked together in general and have worked together in case of West Asia specifically.
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Ok... So prove that the UK was involved in the design. Sounds like you are assuming.
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shyamd wrote:Ok... So prove that the UK was involved in the design. Sounds like you are assuming.
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^^^
shyamd ji your comment reminds me of a long lost friend. Whenever we had a chota-mota cricket match with an outside team and we knew we were loosing we would ask this big fat intimidating guy to 'manage' it for us. All he would do was ask the opposite side for an 'action replay' of the last run out or whatever.

It was good fun. Thanks bhaijaan.
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^ Lol ... Yeah so if the ball came in from the offside you can't say it was the fielder at a different location did it can you? Even though they are in the same team. The GW1 was a long time ago (evidence would have probably tumbled out by now) and if the "Brit-KSA" baited him to attack is just assuming a lot of things and just Guessing British and Saudi involvement where little evidence exists. I asked the all knowing sanku to prove it and he can't furnish anything (as usual). Just posted Glaspie who is not British nor Saudi

I can easily claim that saddam took the decision to go to war regardless of US position - he had amassed troops before the Glaspie meet, only difference is there is evidence to back up my assertion.
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The 12-Year gulf war period was used by Anglo-Saudi alliance to keep Iraqi oil (which is the lowest cost of extraction) out of global markets. This they succeeded at.

12 years later, after Saddam had complied with all UN conditions, and Iraqi oil could not be kept out of the market, they invaded it again and the bloody insurgency that followed kept the Iraqi oil out of the market for another 10 years. That's 22 years of high oil prices we have had to suffer to placate the greed of two of the most wasteful societies on earth - American and Saudi.
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evidence for that?
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Maybe high-oil prices were necessary to keep US dollar afloat after the 'sub-prime' mortgage scam (almost forgot the name of that scam). Until you use oil as energy, you always leave the door open for americans to screw us all. Either destroy america or stop using oil and use alternate sources of energy. Either one leads to the other.
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: Unconfirmed reports from #syria opposition: #israel aircraft attacked chemical weapon facility near Damascus http://t.co/G3lIRLmtZa

FSA: Israeli air force jets flew over Assad's palace and bombed a chemical weapons site near Damascus http://t.co/xPON2uvDS9

Secret cooperation between Iran and Israel http://t.co/ePhu0SGzQs
As recent as 2006...
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Folks - dig up on the history of Kuwaiti connection to UK, and why this dispute has been going on for the better part of 20th century. The UK-Saudi needs and interests in Kuwait go a long time before US became involved. Once that research is undertaken, it will be clear as to who and what created the compulsions to draw Saddam into facing the US MIC experimentation.
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A former Israeli general and military intel chief on the threat from Iran's potential nuclear capability and the situ in the region.

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Amos-Yadli ... ure-311370
Amos Yadlin: The intelligence picture
By YAAKOV LAPPIN
04/28/2013

Maj.-Gen. (ret.) Yadlin, former military intelligence chief speaks to the 'Post' about Israel's security situation.
AMOS YADLIN
AMOS YADLIN Photo: Gil Magen/Reuters
Maj.-Gen. (ret.) Amos Yadlin, former military intelligence chief, was one of eight Israeli fighter jet pilots to strike Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981. Before that, he took part in intense air battles against enemy forces in the Yom Kippur War of 1973.

He was one of the first Israelis to pilot an F-16 warplane in the early 1980s, before becoming the commander of a number of Israel Air Force (IAF) squadrons.

Throughout the 1990s, Yadlin commanded a number of air bases. In 2004, he was appointed IDF attaché to Washington. Two years later, he became the first member of the IAF to be appointed as head of military intelligence, a post he served until 2010.

Today, Yadlin is director of the prestigious Institute for National Security Studies at Tel Aviv University.

In regard to his evaluation of Iran¹s nuclear program, Yadlin says, "Iran has all the capabilities it needs to decide to create a nuclear weapon. The day of the decision could be tonight, when they might choose to break out of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and enrich uranium to 93-95 percent, from 20%." Enriching uranium to weapons-grade material - beyond the 90% threshold - is, surprisingly, the easiest part of the process, Yadlin points out. "It's very simple to do. The hardest part is to enrich uranium to the 0.7-3.5% level," he says. In other words, Iran mastered the most difficult aspect of nuclear weapons production a while ago.

If Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei decides to go all the way now, it would take Iran between four to eight months to possess a working nuclear weapon, Yadlin estimates. If Iran uses its new generation centrifuges, which enrich uranium faster, it could take as little as six months.

Yadlin has objected to the idea of Israel taking a lead in issuing military threats against Iran, describing such a policy as counterproductive. Quietly, Israel should prepare a military option and put it on the table as a last choice, he says. "But we have to have other options and give them a chance," he adds.

Washington and Jerusalem should be fully coordinated on the Iranian threat, but the cooperation shouldn¹t end there, Yadlin urges. "We're facing many of the same threats - al-Qaida, Iranian nukes. We are exactly on the same side," he says.

With the US and Israel sharing the values of democracy, human rights and freedom of speech, there is every reason to believe that political differences between US President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu can be overcome, says Yadlin.

The US isn't about to shift away from the Middle East, despite earlier signals that it was seeking to move its military focus from the area and concentrate on the Pacific arena, where China's influence is steadily rising. Yadlin feels that the shift to the Pacific theater came too soon.

"The US can't leave the Middle East in a flash. It has too many interests here. The price of energy is still influenced by the Middle East," he notes.

Turning his attention to the Palestinian arena, Yadlin says the time has come to think outside the box and for Israel to define its own borders in the face of continued Palestinian refusal to formally accept a two-state solution.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has made a strategic decision to enter a reconciliation process with Hamas, a decision that should not be dismissed by observers, Yadlin warns.

On the international front, Abbas is bypassing Israel and trying to use the United Nations as a substitute for direct peace negotiations, he adds. "The strategy of the Palestinians is not to reach negotiations but to get concessions from Israel via the international community," Yadlin says.

Israel is absorbing significant damage to its international standing from the ongoing conflict with the Palestinians, Yadlin argues. In order to maintain its status as a Jewish and democratic state, it is time for Israel to think about how it can define its eastern border with the West Bank without being dependent on the Palestinians.

"My basic claim is that the Palestinians don't want a two-state solution. On the other hand, we can¹t condition our [national] character, as a Jewish democratic, secure, legitimate state, on the Palestinians," he says.

His solution: To renew the peace process with the PA but to plan for the likely possibility that an Israeli two-state offer will once again be rejected.

"I think that if it fails, we will have to shape our border alone, and we will have to take hold of our fate," says Yadlin. That entails a unilateral Israeli withdrawal from Areas A and B in the West Bank, where most Palestinians live.

Unlike the disengagement from Gaza, which was total and left open a weapons smuggling artery in the form of the Philadelphi Corridor, this unilateral disengagement would leave the Jordan Valley in Israeli control to prevent rockets and arms from pouring into the West Bank.

Some areas, mainly where settlements exist, would also remain mostly under Israeli control as a bargaining chip, until such time as the Palestinian Authority came to the negotiating table with serious intentions to conclude a peace deal.

"The bottom line is that we could tell our friends, 'Look, we withdrew from 85% of the West Bank, and we've made a two-state solution offer," says Yadlin. "This withdrawal is offering the reality of two states." As for his view on the geostrategic storm in the Arab world, Yadlin says that the slaughter in Syria, where some 70,000 people are estimated to have been killed in the civil war, meant that the world has not learned its lessons after the Rwanda genocide of 1994.

"The world didn't meet its obligations. If the world had intervened [in Syria] two years ago, 50,000 people would still be alive," he says.

Looking at the Syrian chaos from Israel's point of view, he says, "It's not necessarily negative. Beyond the humanitarian catastrophe, the axis of Hezbollah, Iran and Syria - an axis that will not allow any peace deal - is weakening." Powerful Sunni states, mainly Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, are emerging as new power brokers in the region, though it remains far from certain that they will work together.

"There's no love lost between the Muslim Brotherhood [in Egypt] and Saudi Arabia - [Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip] Erdogan is not loved in Egypt. I'm not sure there will be an active Sunni pillar. We¹re a long way from that," says Yadlin.
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Will The 21st Century Be A Horror Show Of Epic Proportions?
(Epic proprotion =My kind of Bhasha is now used)

Deep nalization: PurvaPaksha of ME Mushika
In 2006, Mark Steyn reached two conclusions from his study of anemic Western demographics in his book America Alone. The post World War II global order led by the United States is literally dying, and the future belongs to Islam.David Goldman, Spengler at Asia Times Online, dismisses those contentions as bogus. “The fastest demographic decline ever registered in recorded history is taking place today in Muslim countries.” World fertility fell from 4.5 to 2.5 children per woman over the past half-century, but “two or three times faster” in Islamic nations. Moreover, the severity of this drop is exacerbated by the “lapsed time” in which it is occurring. Europe spent two centuries descending to its present demographic nadir. Islamic societies are “attempting it [collapsed fertility] in twenty.”But, this rush towards demographic oblivion is still cause for alarm. It “makes radical Islam more dangerous” because of “Spengler’s Universal Law #1 – A man or a nation at the brink of death does not have a rational self-interest.” As Islamic societies choose de-population, their rational calculus changes. The radicals’ boast that “you love life and we love death” is revealing in this regard. Radical Islamists have chosen to die fighting, rather than watch their societies self-terminate. As Goldman quips, “the flip side of suicide by infertility is jihad.” And, he marshals statistics, history, and philosophy to offer chilling predictions and disturbing recommendations.Goldman draws on mounds of data to diagnose the Islamic world’s ills, and he dismisses Steyn’s thesis with the qualification of poverty. Old people are an existential threat to Islamic nations because they possess a fraction of Europe’s $30,000 GDP per capita circa 2009. The Middle East’s elderly “rely on their children to care for them.” But today’s bulge of young people will find that neither wealth nor descendants will exist to support them in their old age. The first signs of looming ruin are already apparent in states suffering drastic demographic drop-offs such as Iran (six children per woman), Turkey (five) and Egypt (four).

President Ahmadinejad started sounding the alarm back in 2006. His pronouncements have ranged from factual assertions that Iran faces “a tidal wave of elderly” to outlandish claims that Iran’s low birthrate is the result of a Western conspiracy. Yet, his anxiety is not misplaced. Iran’s $4,400 GDP per capita is primarily derived from oil exports. Furthermore, “today there are more Iranians in their mid-twenties than in any other age bracket. But they are not reproducing.” With a European birthrate of 1.7, and an economy dependent on exporting oil, the abyss seems inescapable.And, demographic decay coupled with poverty is yielding a third problem. Beneath the façade of theocracy is social rot. Young women, even educated ones, are increasingly selling themselves as a means to make money and escape unemployment: “90% of Tehran’s prostitutes have passed the university entrance exam.” Others, five million by one estimate, use drugs. Stiff penalties, “a third conviction for alcohol possession merits the death penalty,” are not deterring this behavior. It seems that “on its own terms, Iran’s Islamist experiment has failed.”The oil poor nations of Arab Spring fame are arguably in worse shape. Decades of economic underdevelopment, particularly in agriculture, have left these states dependent on importing half of their caloric consumption. The result is a merciless subjection to market volatility. Indeed, one trigger for the uprisings was the doubling of the price of wheat after a 2.4% drop in supply in 2009 and 2010. The reason for the price spike is cold economics: the increased wealth of Asian consumers has made food prices more inelastic. Stated succinctly, “Chinese and Indian demand has priced food staples out of the Arab budget.” Of course, an arguably bigger driver of nosebleed food prices is not scarcity, or rising demand from India and China, but the global run on paper currencies driven by policies in the U.S. to cheapen the dollar since 2001.Egypt is a microcosm of the economic disaster wrought by the Arab Spring. Despite half the population living on two dollars a day, foreign aid and revenue from tourism kept Egypt afloat under Mubarak. But since the revolution in 2011, the economy has imploded. Unemployment has soared as key industries shrivel, and capital flight is causing foreign exchange reserves to plummet. And, the latter is lethal. Egypt, with five percent arable land and eighty million souls, is running out of money to buy bread. The prospective starvation may become “a catastrophe of, well, biblical proportions.”. Falling fertility is symptomatic of a society encountering modernity; education, urbanization, and women’s emancipation. The onset of modernity has already begun in the Muslim world as demonstrated by the impact of literacy, particularly female literacy, on its birthrates.Increasing education is negatively correlated with decreasing fertility. This is a fact that Iran’s mullahs are painfully learning. Before his overthrow, the Shah launched a program to modernize Iran by eradicating illiteracy. The program was a smashing success. Iran now has literate and highly educated women with respect to the rest of the Muslim world. The result is “university-educated Iranian women had a fertility rate of 1.3.” It appears that Persian females are voting against the theocrats with their wombs.Turkey faces an identical problem. Its strong economy, rooted in a good education system, has yielded women bearing few Turkish children. Perhaps in a moment of distress, Prime Minister Ergodan ranted in 2008: “they want to eradicate the Turkish nation.” Add in the long oppressed Kurds’ fecundity, and Ergodan is probably right. “If we continue the existing trend, 2038 will mark disaster for us.”
Nothing is more dangerous than a civilization that has only just discovered it is dying.” This begs the questions of dangerous to whom and how much so? Certainly weak states cannot effectively project conventional force against industrialized powers. No one expects Libya to invade Britain, let alone succeed. Moreover, even a repeat of the 9/11 terrorist attacks is dangerous. It would invite massive retaliation.Goldman’s response is dying nations make suicidal decisions, consequences be damned. He cites the Ludendorff Offensive of 1918, among others, as proof that suicide occurs when hope of victory is lost. However, the German example is particularly problematic. His claim that “Germany knew it had lost the First World War by 1918” is erroneous. The Germans nearly won. After Russia surrendered in March 1918, German troops out east transferred west and nearly beat the American relief army to Paris. Indeed, a decisive victory before the Americans arrived was Germany’s best hope of ending the war on favorable terms. The offensive’s failure makes the decision wrong, not suicidal.
Moreover, it is difficult to name any state that willingly killed itself. Not even Red China at its revolutionary worst, Mao welcoming nuclear war and killing millions during the Cultural Revolution, self-liquidated. Those who argue that some regimes are irrational seemingly overlook that violence is employed purposefully and, yes, rationally. On the subject of irrationality, Goldman’s lethal logic invariably turns to Iran. Its demographic and economic bind will compel it to undertake one final action of glory: seizing oilfields in Iraq and Saudi Arabia. To secure this scenario, “Iran cannot do without nuclear capability.” Add in its “apocalyptic eschatology” and the U.S. has a mess on its hands: a terminally ill society led by religious fanatics seeking to wound the Great Satan with nuclear martyrdom. The answer is, of course, preemptive war. As Goldman explains:
The lessons of the First World War, the Civil War, and the Cold War point to the same conclusion: preemption with overwhelming force is the appropriate means to contain an adversary who knows that he has nothing to lose. The strategy most likely to avoid war in the Middle East is not to reach out to Iran but to humiliate it.”This is extraordinary threat inflation. The U.S. has no hostile and powerful neighbors or comparable military challengers at present. The previous opponent, the USSR, had an equally disturbing ideology (violent world revolution) as radical Islamists, but collapsed without a nuclear holocaust occurring. What makes impoverished Iran different? And even if it acquires a nuke, it lacks the delivery capacity of a warhead and faces annihilation from a retaliatory attack. It is also worth remembering that a suicide is only such if the despairing individual or nation pulls the trigger.In the final chapter entitled “The Morality of Self-Interest”, Goldman argues for “Augustinian Realism.” He claims “America’s self-interest lies in alliances with countries that share our common love.” He clarifies his meaning this way: “Israel is the example par excellence of a state with a moral claim on American friendship [italics added].” It is a liberal democracy and a hub of economic activity. The same applies for India and South Korea other capitalist democracies.This conflation of values with interests is beyond erroneous. It is dangerous. Alliances, if they have any meaning, force U.S. engagement in conflicts that do not, by themselves, imperil Americans. The Korean Peninsula and the Middle East are two excellent examples.
Goldman’s book is paradoxical. It is an economics tour de force and a set of disturbing policy prescriptions. He brilliantly demystifies Islamic demographics, yet counsels preemptive war against terminally ill Iran. He stylishly suggests a new strategic way forward for U.S. foreign policy that smells of early 2000s neo-conservatism.At bottom, Goldman’s book is an apocalyptic prophecy. He spins a terrifying tale of a world on the cusp of radical change as civilizations fail. His goal is to horrify the reader, and he succeeds. One might even say upon finishing his book, mission accomplished.
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‘World’s intelligence agencies know full well that Assad used chemical weapons’Top Israeli official says the evidence is indisputable; former Israeli defense minister claims weapons of mass destruction are already leaking to Hezbollah By ILAN BEN ZION April 29, 2013, 3:29 pm 2
Former Syrian officer: ‘I was ordered to use sarin’Syrian PM survives assassination attempt in capitalRebels battle Syrian army near chemical weapons site
Israeli and foreign intelligence agencies have hard and definitive evidence that Syrian President Bashar Assad has used chemical weapons against rebel forces, a senior Israeli official said Monday amid rampant speculation about the West’s next move.

“We’re not talking about intelligence assessments concerning the use of chemical weapons, but rather proof and perhaps more than proof,” the official said.

The senior official, speaking on condition of anonymity, added that international intelligence agencies possessed hard evidence of the charges against Assad and that Israel’s information to this effect was shared with “all the intelligence agencies.”

US officials last week declared that the Syrian government probably used chemical weapons twice in March — newly provocative acts in the two-year-long civil war that has killed more than 70,000 people and displaced hundreds of thousands more. The US assessment followed similar conclusions from Britain, France, Israel and Qatar, some of which are eager for a more aggressive response to the Syrian conflict.

“Not one of them has doubt or uncertainty in the matter,” the official said.

He reiterated Israel’s primary concern about the transfer of chemical weapons from the Assad regime to Hezbollah or Lebanon, and said that if Hezbollah or any of the rebel groups operating in Syria acquired chemical weapons, it would have grave ramifications for Israel.

Israel’s security cabinet convened Sunday night to discuss the increasing chaos in Syria, and reportedly disagreed over whether inaction would be more dangerous than urging America to act against Syria.

Opposition MK Binyamin Ben-Eliezer (Labor) told Israel Radio Monday that he too “has no doubt” Assad has already used chemical weapons.

What’s more, he said, some of those chemical weapons are “definitely reaching” Hezbollah.

I have no doubt that these weapons are trickling to Hezbollah,” the former defense minister said, but did not supply any evidence for his claim.

Ben-Eliezer said he was “amazed by the silence of the world” and that the international community needs to intervene to end the high civilian death toll in Syria’s civil war. He said Israel should consider action if there is no international intervention.

“I wouldn’t rule out preparing a plan for Israel to act if the world continues to remain silent and the weapons continue to flow to Hezbollah. These are crazy people, terrorists who will not hesitate to use this tomorrow morning,” he said.

US President Barack Obama said Friday that if Syria was in fact using chemical weapons against rebel forces, a claim that Israel has made but Syrian officials have denied, that would change the “calculus” of US involvement in the conflict — but said too little was known about a pair of likely Sarin attacks to justify aggressive action now.

Obama spoke three days after Itai Brun, the IDF’s top intelligence analyst, speaking at a conference in Tel Aviv, detailed specific Syrian use of Sarin in an attack on March 19, and said there had been other instances of Assad’s forces using chemical weapons. The assertion was initially disputed by the US, and subsequently accepted.

American lawmakers urged the president on Sunday to take decisive action against Syria for its use of chemical weapons.

“The president has laid down the line, and it can’t be a dotted line. It can’t be anything other than a red line,” said House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, a Republican. “And more than just Syria, Iran is paying attention to this. North Korea is paying attention to this.”

Environmental Protection Minister Amir Peretz (Hatnua) called for US military intervention in the ongoing civil war.

Peretz said action should have been taken long ago, due to the high civilian death toll. “We expect that whoever defines red lines will also do what is needed, first and foremost the US and, of course, the entire international community,” he said.

Yoav Galant, a prominent former general, expressed concern that such intervention would hasten the fall of Assad and usher in extremist elements.

“In the short term, the fall of Assad weakens the radical axis. But in the long term, we’ll be facing the extremist organizations that have entered Syria and are establishing themselves therein,” Galant told students on Sunday.

“Things will get worse,” he cautioned.
Deeper preparations are underway. There was a meeting on thursday and friday last week assigning roles.

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India, Saudi Arabia to set up panel to address Indians' woes
India and Saudi Arabia will set up a joint committee to address the problems faced by Indian workers in that Gulf nation in the wake of its new labour policy.

The first meeting of the new panel will be held in Riyadh on May 1 to discuss various means to solve the problems Indian workers would face under the new Nitaqat or Saudization policy, local media reported on Monday.

The new policy makes it mandatory for all Saudi companies to reserve 10 per cent of jobs for Saudi nationals.
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Jhujar ji,
from Goldman's premise : I do not see why he is being found to be inconsistent and irrational.

What he is doing is approaching it from a militarist viewpoint that looks at every confrontation in a spatio-temporal framework. Almost mimicking the way Chanakya proceeds in parts of his magnus opus. Once Goldman

(1) identifies the nature of islam as persistent imperialistic and totalitarian expansionism both in space and time ,
(2) he looks at it as a war and sequence of battles in both space and time,
(3) he is looking towards preemptive strikes far from his cherished/identified "centre" of his world/culture while he still has the spatio-temporal freedom, opportunity and dominance to do so.

It may seem paranoid, but cannot be ridiculed as threat amplification.
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B sir Ji, he thinks India can be the Bali Ka Bakra and used as Ahuti ,turn into Babhuti adoring Western Mastak. We should also ask its not only the Islamist halve but also the Chini halve to visualize the complete picture and the dark hole it paint ,trying to spread the DTD= Deadly Doctrinal Transmitted Disease
Half way Meeting; Ek Kadam Tum Bhi Chalo, Ek Kadam Hum Bhi Chale.
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From Indian perspective ,Let the WEST first Denuke PoaqaKhotalolastan and leave it to us for the good hard work of depopulating the Islamist terrorist problem. Both people and ideological pipe they smoke are the culprits and must be smitten by our right hand. Then we can join the for similar objectives to be achieved in the West Asian theater as its almost equidistant, equidisgustant among Euronions,Jewtonians and Bhartinians. As of now cruel,callous and crowded WA have been undermining our civilization- national interests;removing this living threat will only benefit.Last Panipat war did usher in the era of half crowded WA on this side. If the Goldman-Smith-Washingtinians want to initialize the inoculation on the other side then lets encourage ,clap, cheer and watch but keep our hands clean. We can wait, watch, learn and prepare the needle to use in appropriate time.
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Jhujar ji, We have our own plans. We want our territories back. We want in addition more than what we had for the last thousand years - because like the Chinese, and the Russians, and the Arabs, and the Americans and the Brits, - we too want buffers and buffers of buffers. There is no long term space in that plan for the traditional boot lickers of the Anglo-Saxon. And that includes both sides of the Gulf.
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brihaspati wrote:Jhujar ji, We have our own plans. We want our territories back. We want in addition more than what we had for the last thousand years - because like the Chinese, and the Russians, and the Arabs, and the Americans and the Brits, - we too want buffers and buffers of buffers. There is no long term space in that plan for the traditional boot lickers of the Anglo-Saxon. And that includes both sides of the Gulf.
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Its a necessity and there is no alternative. India will do it even if we have to arm 10 Million Souls to pay this debt to Dharti Mata .
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Toyota cuts cost of hydrogen-fuel cell cars

The cost of making a hydrogen fuel cell-powered car has fallen so dramatically that the same vehicle that cost about $1 million in past year can now be made for as little as $50,000 when it goes on sale in the U.S. in 2015, a top Toyota engineer says.

That means that customers probably will see sticker prices of up to $100,000 for cars so clean that they produce no more than water vapor from the tailpipe, Automotive News quotes Chris Hostetter, a group vice president for Toyota, as telling a conference.
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Have they figured out how to make hydrogen fuel cells without precious metals like platinum?
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Israeli warplanes 'launch air strike in Syria'
US media reports suggest that Israeli warplanes have launched an air strike inside Syria.

The reports, quoting unnamed US officials, say the likely target was a weapons site. Some indicate the arms were to be sent to Lebanon's Hezbollah.

There has been no confirmation from the Israeli or Syrian government.
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@AP: BREAKING: Israeli officials confirm airstrike on Syria, say it targeted shipment of advanced missiles. -MM

U.S. officials show Israel video trial of 'buster bunker' bomb that could destroy Iran's Fordow nuclear installation http://t.co/Gh6uqMkhTn
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Hezbollah & Iran have overplayed their hand in Syria.
Public opinion in USA is turning....
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Theo_Fidel wrote:Hezbollah & Iran have overplayed their hand in Syria.
Public opinion in USA is turning....
public opinion in USA is a switch in US president's press corps.

it means that POTUS has taken the decision and is laying the ground work.
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Israel Warplane attacks Syrian research facility

http://youtu.be/f_j8ID-m1pU
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