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Lalmohan wrote:rajeshji i agree, however imperialst japan was not india's friend - it wanted to recreate the western model at our cost
Japan's history cannot be restricted to only the second world war. I think Japan needs to return to Shinbutsu-shūgō, when Shintoism and Buddhism were fused. It was only after the Meiji Era in 1868 that both were separated forcefully, and Japan started on its journey of active internationalism, and that too after being forced by the Gaijin, the outsiders, namely Europeans, and colonialism. After the Meiji Restoration, Buddhism decreased in influence over the Emperor.

I have a question!

Let's say we see Europe including Britain being overrun by Islam in the next half century. We know Europe would fall to Islam and become Eurabia. Why? Because neither Christianity nor Western Secularism offer any systemic resistance to Islam. We know that if Europe falls to Islam, the Islamic pressure on Bharat too would increase manifold.

So would it not be prudent to stop Europe from falling to Islam?

If Christianity and Western Secularism are incapable of stopping the slide, shouldn't Dharma take up the effort to gain space in Europe, including from Christianity and Western Secularism, as they are weak!

I think this is one way of viewing Japanese interventionism in Asia! They were not willing to accept the White Christianist Gaijin in Asia! And yes they did feel that many Asians were proving to be a walk-over for the European Colonialists. That so the Japanese thought of supplanting Asian rulers with themselves who had the strength and the will and could push back the European colonialists.

I am not saying that it was the right way to go about it, or the Dharmic way, but Japanese imperialism can also be seen as the Asian fightback against White Christianist colonialism enveloping Asia.

The problem with the Japanese was that earlier they had been so isolationist and self-centered, due to the Sakoku policy that their awareness of the larger Asian continent and its people was somewhat limited which made it difficult for them to interact with the others on an equal and respectful basis, especially during an age of war and competition later on.

However earlier Japan and India had close relations, and Japanese used to call India, Tenjiku, the heavenly abode!

India needs to play an active role in revival of Shinbutsu-shūgō which would bring balance again in Japanese thinking, and help realign Japan with India.

That is why I think an Indian PM should visit both a Buddhist Temple (e.g. Tōdai-ji) and a Shinto shrine (e.g. Yasukuni) in Japan and help them come together.
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there are other shinto shrines of equal importance that do not celebrate a colonialist war (in which many indians perished at the behest of others)
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Lalmohan wrote:there are other shinto shrines of equal importance that do not celebrate a colonialist war (in which many indians perished at the behest of others)
But no other Shinto Shrine has the same political importance!

It would be an open declaration of support for Japanese resurgence and that India would not allow it to be moved by what others think when it comes to Japan.

It would actually be an incredibly controversial visit by the Indian PM to Yasukuni Shine. The controversy itself would forge the political nearing between Japan and India.
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i would support a japanese resurgence in support of india (as the mothership of its civilisation) rather than one which promotes japanese racial superiority over her asian neighbours
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Lalmohan wrote:i would support a japanese resurgence in support of india (as the mothership of its civilisation) rather than one which promotes japanese racial superiority over her asian neighbours
As I said, the problem was the Meiji Restoration, which twisted Japan's worldview and I think was responsible to a large part in creating distance between Japan and its Asian neighbors.

I don't think it is correct to call India as the mother of Japanese Civilization, perhaps a Guru would be more appropriate, though perhaps looking at it from the viewpoint of migrations, may be one could even call us "mother"! :wink:

That can be corrected.

Japanese racial superiority was actually more a function of their missionary zeal to stop White Christianist Gaijin Colonialism in Asia, and I think even the Meiji Restoration was a process to harden themselves to this task.

Why do Indians feel racial superiority over the Pakis? Because they are those who fell to Islam. They are the fallen! They are the orcs who were once elves but the torture and the corruption changed them.

Japanese racial superiority towards other people comes from the same root. They saw others as fallen, fallen to European colonialism! But when Japan itself fell to USA after two nuclear bombs were thrown on Japan, it created a still larger shame, because they fell in their own eyes, as they considered themselves the one's who would not fall and expected more from themselves.

This is the situation from which Japan needs to be extracted, and I think it something only Indians can do or would be willing to do!
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i feel the superiority piece is more inherent in their nature, not just the meiji era mindset
they would have achieved much more with a genuine asian co-prosperity sphere than the one they set out to build
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Lalmohan wrote:i feel the superiority piece is more inherent in their nature, not just the meiji era mindset
they would have achieved much more with a genuine asian co-prosperity sphere than the one they set out to build
It is actually normal for any warrior people to have an acute sense of pride. One would see the same sort of feelings among the Indian Rajputs, among Turks, among Americans and a whole lot of other people.

As far as superiority is concerned, it matters only for those who have an inferiority complex themselves. It should not matter to Bharatiyas.
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An Indian Prime Minister can and should visit Yasukuni Shrine for a much more direct reason - Dr.Radhabinod Pal is memorialized there. Our PM already acknowledged Dr.Pal's contribution to the development of cordial Indo-Japanese post-WW2 ties. He does not have to visit the shrine to the controversial war criminals, but can acknowledge an Indian whom the Japanese revere.

Just as the Chinese consistently make it a point to give their respects to Dr.Kotnis' family (and maintain a large memorial to him at his grave), the Japanese do so with Dr.Pal - besides the memorial at Yasukuni, they have a memorial to him in Kyoto. As a more direct relationship, Dr.Pal was personally acquainted with Nobusuke Kishi, former Japanese PM and current PM Abe's grandfather.

Kishi was also one of the Class A war criminals on trial where Dr.Pal was among the presiding judges; he was charged since he used to be part of the puppet Manchukuo govt. He was acquitted and later got to know Dr.Pal, whose dissenting opinion gained fame in Japan.

FWIW, desi mango people should also visit Dr.Pal's shrine at Yasukuni when in Tokyo - the Japanese around will identify with your presence and will be quite cordial.
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^^^ suraj, thanks, did not know this
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No problem. Most Indians are completely unaware of how much the Japanese revere Dr.Pal, especially the older generation. Any nationalist Japanese will know about him, while many Indians don't know who he is. His memorial is one of the five or so main memorials at Yasukuni. It's the other ones that get all the attention due to the protestations raised by PRC and ROK. India should make it very clear that a PM's visit is to honor Dr.Pal's role in our bilateral ties. Of course, the west will vehemently portray such a visit in the negative, considering Dr.Pal's written dissent is (as far as I know, still) officially banned in US and UK and they see him very negatively for refusing to be a pliant yes man.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 89804.html
Japan's Nuclear Plans Unsettles US
TOKYO—Japan is preparing to start up a massive nuclear-fuel reprocessing plant over the objections of the Obama administration, which fears the move may stoke a broader race for nuclear technologies and even weapons in North Asia and the Middle East.The Rokkasho reprocessing facility, based in Japan's northern Aomori prefecture, is capable of producing nine tons of weapons-usable plutonium annually, said Japanese officials and nuclear-industry experts, enough to build as many as 2,000 bombs, although Japanese officials say their program is civilian. Japanese officials have said the plutonium would strictly be used for power generation, even as just two of Japan's 50 power reactors are running because of the safety concerns raised by the 2011 Fukushima nuclear accident. As the only country to have suffered a nuclear attack, Japanese officials have long opposed the use of nuclear weapons.
Yasufumi Fukushi, a spokesman for Rokkasho's operator, Japan Nuclear Fuel Ltd., said that under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's ruling Liberal Democratic Party, idled nuclear-power plants that meet new safety measures will reopen. He also said the government is pushing ahead with Rokkasho as part of a national energy policy that seeks to recycle used nuclear fuel. But with North Korea actively testing nuclear weaponry and the region brimming with territorial tensions, U.S., South Korean and Japanese officials have expressed concerns that the plant would have a far-reaching affect on other nuclear programs.U.S. officials believe Japan's neighbors, particularly China, South Korea and Taiwan, are closely monitoring Rokkasho and its possible commissioning to gauge whether they also should seek to develop their own nuclear-fuel technologies, or in Beijing's case, expand them."As a practical matter, if it operates Rokkasho, it will force China to respond to re-establish that it, Beijing, not Tokyo, is the most dominant nuclear player in East Asia," said Henry Sokolski :| , who heads the Nonproliferation Policy Education Center, a Washington think tank. "Such nuclear tit-for-tats-manship could get ugly."
Underscoring the concerns are calls by hawkish South Korean and Japanese politicians to consider whether their governments should pursue nuclear weapons after North Korea began a series of atomic-weapons tests in 2006. North Korea's latest bomb test took place in February.A second U.S. concern has to do with the security of Japan's plutonium stockpile. Given that the country has drastically reduced the number of operating reactors that could burn plutonium-based fuels to produce electricity, the excess plutonium would have to be stored. Rokkasho has been seen as a facility that will allow Tokyo to reduce radioactive wastes from its nuclear power plants by reprocessing spent nuclear fuel.
"For the Obama administration…there wasn't any real need to focus on [Rokkasho]," said Gary Samore, who oversaw nuclear-proliferation issues in the White House during President Barack Obama's first term.
The December election of Mr. Abe, however, has bred new life into Japan's nuclear-power program and the prospects for the Rokkasho facility, said government and industry officials. Mr. Abe is pro-nuclear power, but his office said he wouldn't comment on Rokkasho.Tokyo's ability to both enrich uranium and reprocess spent reactor fuel has allowed it to amass roughly nine tons of weapons-usable plutonium on its soil. Activating the Rokkasho plant would produce that much each year, said officials and industry experts. Japan had a reprocessing center in central Japan, called Tokai Mura, that harvested roughly seven tons of plutonium before the plant was shut in 2007.

Japan's reactors are almost all fueled by enriched uranium, not plutonium-based fuel. Reactors can be fueled by either, depending on the technology in use. Nuclear weapons, too, can be produced using either uranium enriched to weapons-grade or plutonium. Iran, by comparison, is producing near-weapons-grade uranium, but it also has a heavy-water reactor being developed that could produce weapons-usable plutonium.
Tatsujiro Suzuki, vice chairman of the Japan Atomic Energy Commission, met in April in Washington with Obama administration officials, and paraphrased what he said was their message: "Allowing Japan to acquire large amounts of plutonium without clear prospects for a plutonium-use plan is a bad example for the rest of the world."Both the Japan Atomic Energy Commission and Japan Nuclear Fuel have cited October as the startup date for the facility. But the country's Nuclear Regulation Authority, which was created in response to the Fukushima disaster, has said meeting this date is "impossible" as new safety regulations won't be released until December. The construction of the Rokkasho facility is largely completed, and nuclear-industry experts believe it could reach full capacity in a number of months. Fukushi stressed that the United Nations' nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, will closely monitor Rokkasho's operation to guard against potential diversion of the weapons-usable plutonium.The Obama administration fears that whenever Rokkasho starts operating, it will add a new dimension of friction in the region, prompting other countries to seek greater nuclear capabilities and more control over them.A new nuclear-cooperation agreement with South Korea, which would allow for the continued sale of U.S.-origin fuel and equipment to the Asian ally, has ben delayed.
South Korean negotiators had been seeking a new nuclear-cooperation agreement with the U.S. that would allow it to begin enriching uranium and reprocessing spent reactor fuel, arguing these technologies are crucial for Seoul to expand and secure its civilian nuclear-power program.
But Washington resisted and the two agreed last week to extend the current agreement—without those prerogatives—for another two years, while negotiations continue.South Korea believes—and has argued to the U.S.—that it should have the same capabilities as Japan, a longtime rival and former colonial occupier, current and former U.S. officials said.U.S. officials said the commissioning of Rokkasho will only increase pressure from Seoul that it be formally allowed to follow Tokyo and begin producing its own nuclear fuel."If the Koreans are left with the impression that Japan can do things that South Korea can't, then it's not a sustainable concept," said Christopher Hill, a former American ambassador to Seoul.China last week said it signed an agreement with French nuclear-power company Areva SA to construct a new facility to reprocess spent nuclear fuel. The plant is expected to be built at the same scale as Rokkasho and capable of producing nine tons of plutonium annually.Beijing said the plant will be used only for civilian purposes. But China is estimated to have thousands of nuclear warheads in its arsenal. And nuclear experts believe any sign Japan is expanding its ability to produce weapons-usable fissile materials will likely be matched by Beijing.
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So World War II is not yet over.
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ramana wrote:So World War II is not yet over.
Wait and see what are German up to . This time they should fix the Island Pappus in cooperation with Russians.Japan , Soko and then it must come to India to help Vietnam to get strategic independence Viz a viz China.
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ramana wrote:So World War II is not yet over.
Saar,
All foreign countries belong only to one of two categories, in the view of US. Vassals, and enemies. If you are not a vassal, you are an enemy. And Japan, by forsaking its vassalage, is making it clear that it is an enemy ......
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Tokyo-Moscow thaw to hurt Mideast oil exporters

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tokyo- ... 2013-05-03
( Aappne ko Benefit Milega)
JERUSALEM (MarketWatch) — The Kurils are a windswept and mostly empty chain of islands off of northern Japan and eastern Russia, the largest of them smaller than Luxembourg, but the archipelago has been clouding relations between Tokyo and Moscow ever since the Red Army grabbed it in World War II’s last days. Now, following Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s visit to Russian President Vladimir Putin this week, the two powers seem finally ready to remove the territorial obstacle from their trade relations, a generally positive development from the international system’s viewpoint, but a very negative one for Japan’s Middle Eastern oil suppliers . Prime Minister Shinzo Abe signals that he won’t let a territorial dispute with Russia stop Japan from obtaining more oil and gas from Siberia. Abe’s soothing statements in Saudi Arabia, where he emerged the day he left Moscow, only enhance the conclusion that the Japanese oil tanker is in the process of U-turning from Arabia to Siberia. The Kremlin summit did not resolve the 68-year-old conflict, which prevents to this day the signing of a Russo-Japanese peace agreement. Moreover, the islands, which Stalin emptied of their Japanese inhabitants and repopulated with Soviets, will remain disputed well after talks concerning their future commence. However, agreements signed this week to jointly prospect the Russian Far East conceal a Japanese strategic choice to treat Russia the way Taiwan treats China, namely to let bilateral trade thrive regardless of diplomatic disputes. Indeed, Russian oil and Japanese industry have been begging to meet for generations, yet they hardly did. First, when Imperial Japan modernized, Czarist Russia had yet to seriously mine its Far East; then, in 1905, the two countries fought a war; and then came the 1945 conquest and the Cold War, all of which delayed the economically pre-destined meeting of Russian supply and Japanese demand.
It was a commercial absurdity that should have vanished with the Berlin Wall. Instead, for nearly a quarter of a century the two neighbors thought they could ignore the laws of supply and demand indefinitely — the Russians by leading their barrels and pipelines westward, to Europe, and the Japanese by leading their tankers south, to the Middle East. Now this defiance of economic gravity is coming to an end. Russia, faced with its European clients’ slumping economies, came to realize it must find new markets for its raw materials, which in the Putin era became its economy’s main engine. Lastly, Moscow and Tokyo are uneasy about their mutual neighbor China’s rise to global dominance. It follows that the pair’s economically driven affinity also has a diplomatic engine, one that will increasingly offset the Kuril Islands’ role as a diplomatic wedge. Hence the new thinking, which will now see Japanese investments pouring into Siberian and other Russian mineral deposits, while Russian gas will start flowing later this decade into Japan through new installations in Vladivostok. Regardless of this, the Japanese decision is not only about where to buy its power, but also where to no longer seek it.
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On Mar 09, 2013, I had written,
RajeshA wrote:I think it is time for Japan to sign a Peace Treaty with Russia, which accepts Russian sovereignty over the Kuril Islands but explicitly states that sovereignty over the islands, should it come to it, cannot be transferred to any other country except Japan.

I think the solution of this international dispute is vital for Indian interests, perhaps more vital than any other dispute outside the Indian Subcontinent, except perhaps the one with China-Taiwan equation.

I don't think the Americans would welcome such an agreement between Russia and Japan, but it changes the whole equation in the Pacific!
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This was called by James Rickards a while ago. Japan will move into Russian orbit slowly and begin work on nuclear weapons.
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Sorry who is that person and a link possible for education?
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Ramanaji,

It's in his book "Currency Wars".

https://twitter.com/JamesGRickards
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RajeshA wrote:Tokyo-Moscow thaw to hurt Mideast oil exporters


I think it is time for Japan to sign a Peace Treaty with Russia, which accepts Russian sovereignty over the Kuril Islands but explicitly states that sovereignty over the islands, should it come to it, cannot be transferred to any other country except Japan.

I think the solution of this international dispute is vital for Indian interests, perhaps more vital than any other dispute outside the Indian Subcontinent, except perhaps the one with China-Taiwan equation.

I don't think the Americans would welcome such an agreement between Russia and Japan, but it changes the whole equation in the Pacific!


If French and Germany join this alliance then it is the end of the current world centered around the financial center of London.
This is the reset after 300 years since the East India Company.

India will benefit from this since History will go back to 1750 for India.
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Acharya wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Tokyo-Moscow thaw to hurt Mideast oil exporters
I think it is time for Japan to sign a Peace Treaty with Russia, which accepts Russian sovereignty over the Kuril Islands but explicitly states that sovereignty over the islands, should it come to it, cannot be transferred to any other country except Japan.I think the solution of this international dispute is vital for Indian interests, perhaps more vital than any other dispute outside the Indian Subcontinent, except perhaps the one with China-Taiwan equation.I don't think the Americans would welcome such an agreement between Russia and Japan, but it changes the whole equation in the Pacific!
If French and Germany join this alliance then it is the end of the current world centered around the financial center of London.This is the reset after 300 years since the East India Company.
India will benefit from this since History will go back to 1750 for India.
BRIGJS not BRICS
French are not necessarily crucial to this. Germany, Brazil , South Africa, India, Japan and Russia need joining of Hips and Heads. In one go Paap Ki Handi burst and we get to correct many historical mistakes.
Dono Haatho Mey laddo, Shaddo, Mukh Mey Hogi Barfi
Baaanya Hath Sey Benovolent Boon
Daanye Haath Mey Barshi.

Any promise of Mithai from Bhai?
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French are the Templars and play a crucial role in this global reset. Will post later GDF
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RajeshA wrote:Why do Indians feel racial superiority over the Pakis? Because they are those who fell to Islam. They are the fallen! They are the orcs who were once elves but the torture and the corruption changed them.
RajeshAji, orcs ko galin kyon de rahe ho? By calling orcs as bakis, you are giving a big galin to orcs. Please apologize. I take it personally, since sometimes kids do behave like orcs so I do call kids as orcs (now I am hurt if orcs are called bakis).

Anyway, I am all for Japanese resurgence. Let China feel the heat from Vietnam, Malasia, Phillipines, Japan, S. Korea and of course, they lost all trust from India. China has to be content with friends like kim and bakis.
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@nitingokhale: PM Manmohan Singh likely to visit Japan for a 3-day visit from May 27.
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I think it is time for Japan to sign a Peace Treaty with Russia, which accepts Russian sovereignty over the Kuril Islands but explicitly states that sovereignty over the islands, should it come to it, cannot be transferred to any other country except Japan.
There will be no solution to the Kuril Islands dispute. There are four islands Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai
Iturup and Kunashir are big islands. Habomai and Shikotan are much smaller. In 1956 USSR to transfer the two smaller islands and sign a peace treaty. The Japanese under pressure from Americans said no.
Since 1956 they have spent a lot of energy claiming all the four islands. Accepting anything less now would be declared a sell out.
The Russians wont give the two larger islands Iturup and Kunashir. They are strategically very important. They constitute the screen of naval defence to Russian mainland (far east). Giving up those islands would allow large military vessels to reach sea of Okhotsk easily. Unlikely that Russians would part with these till the Japanese have `Treaty of Cooperation and Friendliness` with USA. Certainly not after the NATO expansion experience in eastern Europe.
So the issue is stuck and cannot be resolved.
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japanese have already imperilled their security by not fielding nuclear weapons and getting pushed around by US only because they are dependent on nuclear umbrella.

suppose japan overtly gets nuclear and declares a intention to keep a stockpile of some 300 weapons, plus tests a few on some rock.

what will the US do? impose sanctions ? :rotfl: stop buying japanese product ? :rotfl:
what will china do? other than impotent rageboy dance :rotfl:
what will Soko do? this might give them the excuse to go nuclear and the US if it wants to retain a presence on the korean land will have to suck it up. after all the US media created Noko nuclear weapons threat to US mainland.

nuclear weapons are like quad core processors, few yrs back only the highest and elite machines had it...now even abdool with a micromaxx phone has it....its time to demystify the whole possesssion thing...if TSP can be a valued munna with nuclear weapons...even nigeria, tunisia and morocco need to have a few...
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RSoami wrote:So the issue is stuck and cannot be resolved.
Well it can be resolved if the Japanese are willing to budge. They can for example take the two smaller Kuril islands. And for the other two bigger ones, they lease them to Russia for a period of say, one hundred years.

In a hundred years, who knows whether Russia's 5 million population would even be able to maintain their presence in East Asia or not!
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They can for example take the two smaller Kuril islands
USSR was willing to give them the smaller islands. Japan would most likely have agreed. Then the Americans threatened that they are going to keep Okinawa if the {edit}Japanese agree. That caused the deadlock.
Over the years the {edit}Japanese have invested heavily into stirring up a campaign for the return of all four islands. On Feb 7 they have a special day for this. In fact if the {edit}Japanese agree now to take only two islands, the government will fall.
And for the other two bigger ones, they lease them to Russia for a period of say, one hundred years.
They dont control any. In 2008 Medvedev visited the islands and declared them inherent part of the motherland. Military modernisation is taking place in Iturup. Unlikely that Russia will give the strategically important islands to a military ally of the US. NATO expansion has gone deep into the Russian psyche.
In a hundred years, who knows whether Russia's 5 million population would even be able to maintain their presence in East Asia or not!
Hundred years is a very long time. The solution as I see it is for Japan to get more independent from its US alliance. Investing heavily into Russian Far east. Building up similar or better relations with Russia than Germany has. Only then, perhaps russia might consider giving any concessions. Till then the solution is too far away
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THe Fukushima disaster has caused problems for Japan. Also the rare earth minerals isuue. Japan needs oil/gas from somewhere if it is not going to restart those nuclear reactors. Unkill would like to push Japan to buy more from the Saudis. But Abe is more nationalistic. We can hope that he strikes up a deal with Russia for the same.
Russian far east is extremely rich in natural resources and needs investment desperately. Once oil and gas deal is through, it could be real deluge. This could spur up some real changes in the equation between the two countries.
It depends on how much the {edit}Japanese can resist American pressure and willing to do business with Russia.
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RSoami ji,

Of course Japanese don't control any islands. The hundred year lease is to let Russians do what they want on the island, as long as say no missiles are pointed towards Japan, and for the Japanese to save their face and the question of sovereignty.

Does it matter for Russia whether they have full control over the island due to their "sovereignty" over them which neither US nor Japan accepts, or due to a lease agreement, whereby they need not fear Japan or their ally USA.

Russia gets what it wants, Japan gets what it wants.

Now 68 years are over and Japan still has no control over the islands. So what would be the loss if they accept that the islands would be returned to them say in a 100 years and so long Russia can use the islands as they deem fit.

Anyway, it is just an idea. Probably it has also been already explored.

But it would help end the dispute if they come to an agreement.
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Under Putin, the Russians are absolutely hostile to any idea giving any inch of concession to US or any of its allies. Unless Japan eases itself to a more independent position, its unlikely that the Russians would oblige.
You should be made Japan`s foreign minister though. :D
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FWIW, desi mango people should also visit Dr.Pal's shrine at Yasukuni when in Tokyo - the Japanese around will identify with your presence and will be quite cordial.
I did,nt know this, I went to the Yasukuni shrine for the sakura. Will visit again to check it out.

But the japanese(who know about him) have high respect for Dr.Pal.
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When Japanese do the Nuke testing by mid next year , they can show good will toward India by further proof testing out our newly designed Big ones on that auspicious occasion.
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Jhujar ji,

I think a third country would do the testing!
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Singha wrote:japanese have already imperilled their security by not fielding nuclear weapons and getting pushed around by US only because they are dependent on nuclear umbrella.

suppose japan overtly gets nuclear and declares a intention to keep a stockpile of some 300 weapons, plus tests a few on some rock.

what will the US do? impose sanctions ? :rotfl: stop buying japanese product ? :rotfl:

The US will get out of its forward deployed bases in Japan. It has very large troop numbers stationed there. It will drawn down the troops there. Reduce by 20% to teach Japan a lesson in whose boss.

And what makes you think that Japan DOES NOT have Nukes? AFAIK, they are one screw drivers turn away from it. Like...they could make one this weekend if they wanted to.

nuclear weapons are like quad core processors, few yrs back only the highest and elite machines had it...now even abdool with a micromaxx phone has it....its time to demystify the whole possesssion thing...if TSP can be a valued munna with nuclear weapons...even nigeria, tunisia and morocco need to have a few...
Never thought through it like that, but come to think of it, you'[re right.
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I do not think it is a decent thing to do to refer to Japanese folks as Japs. They (Japanese) consider it highly racist and offensive.
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rhytha wrote:
FWIW, desi mango people should also visit Dr.Pal's shrine at Yasukuni when in Tokyo - the Japanese around will identify with your presence and will be quite cordial.
I did,nt know this, I went to the Yasukuni shrine for the sakura. Will visit again to check it out.

But the japanese(who know about him) have high respect for Dr.Pal.
Thanks. Please post pics of the visit, if possible.
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China and the post-tsunami spirit have revived Japan
Shinzo Abe has not abandoned his nationalism. His vision stems from the same impulse

India Ko Bhi Chahiye Ek aisa leader
In all the excitement about Japan’s rediscovery of its long-lost mojo, one question has largely gone unasked. What made the country’s establishment change tack so suddenly? One minute, the powers that be thought there was nothing much that could be done about deflation. The next, everyone had rallied around Shinzo Abe, the new prime minister, and his mission to reverse 15 years of falling prices.So dramatic has been the shift in policy – and so rapidly have markets responded – that everyone has been too busy making money to worry much about what triggered the change. The yen has weakened from Y77 to the dollar to nearly Y100, benefiting exporters. The broad Topix index is up 65 per cent in six months, the strongest rally in decades. Stock market gains have added Y150tn, or nearly $1.5tn, to the market capitalisation of Japanese companies, says Peter Tasker, an analyst at Arcus Research. So grateful are investors for the bonanza, he jokes, that they now customarily sign off their emails: “All hail to Abe.”
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The second factor has been China, whose economy overtook Japan’s in 2010. Beijing has become increasingly assertive over its claims to the Japanese-administered Senkaku, five uninhabited islands known as Diaoyu by China. In the run-up to Mr Abe’s election as leader of the Liberal Democratic party – a prelude to the premiership – violent anti-Japanese demonstrations broke out in more than 50 cities across China. If Japan has found a leader with a sense of purpose, it might have China to thank for it.The link between fears over its security and a sense of economic weakness is old and deep. Fukoku-kyohei (rich country, strong army) was the rallying cry of Japanese modernisation after the Meiji Restoration of 1868. To Mr Abe, the slogan resonates loudly. Put simply, it means that if Japan’s economy is weak so is its ability to defend itself. Mr Abe has not abandoned his nationalism. His mission to revive the economy stems from precisely the same impulse. In his February “Japan is Back” speech in Washington, he made the link explicit. “Japan must stay strong, strong first in its economy, and strong also in its national defence.”The backdrop to the country’s bold economic experiment has been a strengthened patriotism. Even Emperor Akihito was taken aback when Mr Abe and other attendees at a ceremony to mark the anniversary of Japan’s return of sovereignty at the end of the US occupation in 1952 shouted banzai – long live the emperor. Mr Abe, who is riding high in the polls with support above 70 per cent, is fired up by the idea that the country can regain its economic and geopolitical clout simultaneously. “In order for us, Japan and the US, to jointly provide the region and the world with more rule of law, more democracy, more security and less poverty, Japan must stay strong,” he told his US hosts in February.
The motivation is important. After years of drift, Japan has been galvanised into action. If history is any guide, now that consensus has been reached, it will proceed faster and with more purpose than might be assumed after two decades of dithering. Mr Abe has already surprised many by committing Japan to negotiations for the trans-Pacific Partnership, a high-level trade pact that would expose Japan’s economy to fiercer competition. To sign up would mean tearing up the Liberal Democratic party’s social contract with the country’s cosseted farmers. On the face of it, that might seem unlikely. So might other long-discussed imperatives: liberalising energy and healthcare, or getting more women into the workforce. Until recently, you would have bet against any of this happening. But there is a new urgency about Japan. Sceptics may be surprised.
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Anand Sharma seeks more market access from Japan - The Hindu
Commerce and Industry Minister Anand Sharma has sought from Japan more market access for Indian exporters in sectors such as agriculture, marine and pharmaceutical products. He has also expressed concern over the mounting trade deficit. Mr. Sharma raised the matter during his meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida in Tokyo during his two-day visit.

The Japanese pharmaceutical market is projected to touch $100 billion, and the Indian generics can play a key role in providing affordable healthcare. India’s trade deficit with Japan stood at over $6 billion in 2012-13.

Mr. Sharma also apprised Mr. Shinzo Abe of the progress made in the implementation of the Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor (DMIC) project, which was conceptualised during Mr. Abe’s 2007 visit to India. “Mr. Abe expressed mentioned that Japanese companies are looking forward to partner India in project implementation,” the statement said.
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JICA to fund grade-separators in Chennai - The Hindu
The Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) is likely to fund several of the city’s projects, including three grade separators.

The Chennai Metropolitan Development Authority (CMDA), the nodal agency, has sought government approval.

A team of officials from JICA, had met with officials of the CMDA a few months ago, and reviewed various infrastructure development projects on the outskirts. A number of projects in Madhavaram, Karunakaracheri and Manjambakkam figured in the discussions. The projects, including a truck terminal and a logistics park, have already been listed in the State’s investment promotion programme for the Chennai metropolitan area.

JICA, which supports socioeconomic development in developing regions, provides bilateral aid through technical cooperation and loans. The huge investment made by Japanese investors in the State has been one of the factors contributing to JICA funding. The projects funded by the agency are aimed at establishing better connectivity with the city for Japanese industrial units in the suburbs. The Japanese investors had raised the issue with their government and senior officials from New Delhi have been periodically visiting Chennai during the past few months to review crucial infrastructure projects {And, yet, petty politics is holding up or delaying these projects. We never learn, do we ? } .
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