Islamic Britain & The Compromised Western Civilization

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Cross-posting a post by brihaspati from the "Indo-UK News & Discussions - April 2013" Thread
brihaspati wrote:If we are looking at Margaret Thatcher's associations/sympathies with fronts/orgs/ideologies through special speculative lenses : here should also be something of interest
Published on Apr 16, 2013
By: Nu’man Abd al-Wahid
Why Margaret Thatcher Loved Islamists: al akhbar
Overlooked in both portrayals is her support of political Islamism and, by extension, jihadis. In December 1979, Thatcher advocated political Islam as a counterweight to left-wing or communist ideologies, which she derogatively dubbed “imported Marxism.” As cited in Mark Curtis’ Secret Affairs, Britain’s Collusion with Radical Islam, she said:

I do not believe that we should judge Islam by events in Iran…There is a tide of self-confidence and self-awareness in the Muslim world which preceded the Iranian revolution, and will outlast its present excesses. The West should recognize this with respect, not hostility. The Middle East is an area where we all have much at stake. It is in our own interests, as well as in the interests of the people of that region, that they build on their own deep religious traditions…

Thatcher’s statement that “our interests” and “the interests of the people of the region” are one and the same is rooted in a particular type of British imperialist strategy that was articulated by Frederick Lugard.


An imperial officer in northern Nigeria in the 19th century, Lugard managed the local emirs on the grounds that they “were allowed to retain the trappings of power so long they accepted the advice of their new overlords,” according to Dane Kennedy’s Britain and Empire.

There was nothing new about this puppet-overlord relationship in the history of British imperialism, but Lugard added a new dimension to this relationship. He framed the Empire’s relationship with its subjects “in terms of the preservation” of their way of life. Hence, Thatcher’s notion that the “Muslim world” should “build on their own religious traditions.”

Professor John Callaghan further argued in The Labour Party and Foreign Policy that if there were no indigenous structures for the British Empire to partner with, then it would consolidate its exploitation and also “retard the rate of social and political progress.”

When the Empire began to consolidate its lordship over the Arab world after WWI, it partnered with Saudi Wahhabis and the Muslim Brotherhood. The trends that these movements represented were not so much “invented” by the British but favored and promoted.

Before the British allowed the Wahhabis to establish themselves in Riyadh in 1901, they were an isolated, exiled cult in the Basra region known as “Kuwait.” With further support from the Empire, the Wahhabis expanded into the western part of the Arabian peninsula in 1924 and 1925.

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928. In Richard P. Mitchell’s seminal book on the Brotherhood, The Society of the Muslim Brothers, the American academic states that a British operative, seemingly from the British embassy, James Heyworth-Dunne, was “a participant in some of the history of the movement and his work must be considered a primary source.” The work in question is Heyworth-Dunne’s Religious and Political Trends In Modern Egypt.

Heyworth-Dunne wrote that the challenges faced by the Empire in Egypt in the 1920s and 30s were twofold. First, US president Woodrow Wilson’s “declaration of self-determination inspired the Egyptians to higher ideals.” Second, there were the “communistic ideas” to be dealt with.

To offset these two challenges, Heyworth-Dunne advocated the Islam as “taught and represented by Hasan al-Banna,” the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, rather than the traditional Islam as practiced by the oldest university in the Islamic world, al-Azhar, for which he had nothing but disdain.


The British Empire had an overprotective attitude toward Islam. It heroically and selflessly defended Islam, even if al-Azhar, the traditional bastion of Islamic learning in the world, didn’t comprehend this urgency.

By the time these two major trends of Islamism strategically coalesced in the 1950s to meet the challenge of third world independence and socialism, the Americans had embraced the British Empire’s imperialist strategy.

The British Empire had an overprotective attitude toward Islam. It heroically and selflessly defended Islam, even if al-Azhar, the traditional bastion of Islamic learning in the world, didn’t comprehend this urgency.
This embrace meant bringing British puppets, such as the Saud clan of Saudi Arabia and the Thani clan of Qatar, under its protective umbrella. This American appropriation of the puppets had initially gained doctrinal credibility through the Eisenhower doctrine and extended all the way until the 1980s to support the Islamist mercenaries, or mujahideen, against the Soviets in the 1980s.

It is for this reason that Thatcher declared that these mujahideen were engaged in “one of the most heroic resistance struggles known to history,” as cited in Sandy Gall’s Afghanistan, Agony of a Nation.

For the UK, the policy of employing Islamists to further its interests is rooted in an imperialist existential strategy, whereas for the US, utilizing Islamists commenced in the 1950s during the Cold War. This is the reason why there is currently a mild schism between the US and the UK with regard to supporting the Islamist “rebels” in Syria. With the Cold War over, the obstacle currently facing the UK is convincing the US to remain enlisted in a pro-Islamist strategy in Syria.
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Anindya wrote: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 7#p1447377

Thousands rally in UK to demand end to anti-Islam speeches
BIRMINGHAM: Up to 25,000 British Pakistani men, women and children from across the UK gathered in Aston Park here to express their love for Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) and to call on the British government to introduce legislation that bars Islamophobes from insulting Islam under the garb of the freedom of speech.



Unlike Bangladesh (which is just a puny poor turd world cuntry) where Awami govt is resisting to pass a blasphemy law against the atheist bloggers etc , in UQ (which is a strong (supposedly always punching above its weight) wealthy first wurld cuntry) muzzlims expect an obliging briturd Parliament to pass strong blasphemy law to quell criticism of PUBHah emanating from any corner of the world.
Here it is prudent to remember, Briturd parliament is so great that it can legislate on anything and everything but make a woman a man and a man a woman onlee .
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Left-Liberal European Women and their Soft-Corner for Islam

Continuing from "Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis" Thread
I would like to hear theories of others as well on this.

I think the Left-Liberal Europeans have a very simple switch.

1) If there is any cultural rejection coming from their society towards some other, they run to show support to the targeted group. They are not really open to dissecting why the cultural rejection is there. Their primary world-view is that Europeans have a long history of cultural subjugation of others, and as such any form of cultural rejection would have to be based on the same past chauvinism and all reasons they give are simply a means to project themselves as superior and as such such reasoning should not be bought, and all forms of cultural rejection of a minority needs to countered.

2) There is an innocence of mind among the left-liberals, especially women. When they come into contact with Islam with an initial frame of mind that they will not accept any criticism of Islam coming from their own society and culture, then there really isn't any argument one is in a position to give against Islam. Islam is a vast cultural-religious phenomenon they as yet do not know about and they are willing to allow the Islamist show her around in this Islamic landscape. The Islamist would of course first show her all the very nice things there are about Islam - the simplicity, the family values, the knowledge the imparted to the Europeans, Arabic and Turkish music, the laid back Shisha smoking, the courtesy, etc. All the blood-soaked galleries in this Islamic Museum are left out. The conservatives can try telling the left-liberal European woman to go and look at these galleries as well, but all that falls on deaf ears, for in this state of mind, such galleries do not exist and it is all a unjustified effort by the cultural chauvinists to malign Islam. The Islamist too calls it a case of Islamophobia. Generally the left-liberal woman is pleasantly surprised to find such a human decent Muslim and her mistrust of conservative propaganda increases all the more. The left-liberal woman in fact feels excited that she could overcome her cultural programming and sees her contact with Islam liberating.
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RajeshA wrote:Left-Liberal European Women and their Soft-Corner for Islam
RajeshA ji, I don't think its just Left-Liberal women who convert or marry into Islam. One case I know is the daughter of a conservative pastor. I think it comes down to the inner workings of Western 'Conservatism' and 'Liberalism' and the role of Christianity and 'protest against Christianity' in them -- and how Islam is able to tap into that very mindset...

Additionally, one must not overlook the fact that many Islamist preachers and lay folk in the field are very dedicated people with a solid moral code, a sense of service and social betterment, and can be exemplary in many ways. Such men are attractive to many good and intelligent women.

Further, the psychological violence that the average Western woman goes through in terms of her sexual objectification is bound to create a reaction at some point. The peer pressure to lose one's virginity by freshman year in college, the prevalence of date-rape on college campuses (usually not provable in court because of prior consumption of alcohol), etc. is horrendous, and I've known more than one who reddened or even went lachrymose on the recount. Many women converts are those who want to simply avoid all this horrendous nonsense and love the chivalrous values and treatment. Another section of converts are older women who have been through it all, lived through a highly promiscuous period of their lives, and rejected it because ultimately they found that the men in that culture are incapable of devoted responsibility.

But in the big picture, Islamic missionary activity in the West has a different selling point depending on which demographic is being targeted. Islam is everything to all people, it is the panacea that plugs all holes - Islam usually sells itself as a solid means to a desired reality, and in limited cases it flashes a mystique that caters to a curiosity about reality (Sufism).

In prisons it is one thing - sense of victimhood and rebellion, a new brotherhood in and outside prison, identification with the slaves who were some of the Prophet's (pbuh) earliest followers, a second chance to repent one's wrongdoings and weaknesses and be in society again - but importantly, to dedicate oneself to changing and converting it by picking a much bigger fight on a global and cosmic scale than anything one has ever gotten into before.

Among Left Liberals Islam is another thing - claim of egalitarianism as demonstrated in praying together (over a wide diversity of colorful races), a victim of Zionist oppression and its main challenger like David and Goliath, victim of Orientalist prejudice that is all wrong as touted by Edward Said, medieval cause of Europe's own renaissance, a seductive culture of eloquence and mysticism about alternate reality that puts Morocco and other places on the hippie's map, a jurisprudence that offers new ways of thinking about old social and economic institutions, etc.

And among Conservatism-seeking types it is another thing - no-compromise attitude, tough love, quick justice, fundamental caveman values, control of women and sexuality, strict old-fashioned values but in a more 'balanced' way than medieval Christianity and one that seems to encompass and rein in many decadent modern tendencies (e.g. Moslem women dress like nuns but don't have to actually live the 'unnatural' life of a nun, celibacy is not institutionalized whereas polyamoury is brought within the purview of 'marriage', etc.), co-existence of races but offering the White West the mantle of political leadership of global Islamism just as the Turks won that mantle by adopting it, anti-Jewish sentiment, conspiracy theories and end-of-time Prophecies about 2nd coming of Christ (which Islam elaborately discusses via Mahdi'ism), and very importantly a palliative for white guilt about slavery and colonialism that is rubbed in by Left Liberals but which can be easily justified by Islamic jurisprudence and theology, etc.

Thus one can see that it appeals to one segment with one idea and appeals to another segment with a directly opposed idea - and it justifies this by saying it is a "balance" between the two. This is a very specious argument that can appear very convincing. Indeed it is true that Islam does contain dipoles between which one can argue and position oneself based on "taqwa" (conservative adherence) and "rukhsat" (liberal leave), but the intrinsic permutation between these opposites and the undercurrent between them is what is really interesting. But most people can't yet see or understand that philosophically or even experientially. With women converts to Islam also (or women born into Moslem families trying to reconcile with modernity) it is the same case.
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Carl ji,

indeed a very good assessment of the various sections within the Western society vulnerable to different faces of Islam.

You're right that it is not just the left-liberal women who are vulnerable to Islam. I didn't wish to sound it that way! I would say even the intellectuals are vulnerable to Islam considering the fact that they believe that Islam was what put an end to the Dark Ages in Europe, as Greek and "Arabic" knowledge became accessible to Europe through the Arabs.

One must remember, that many in the West when they get involved themselves with Islam, they think they are going places intellectually, they are adding to their knowledge by integrating Islamic knowledge to their own and to that of their society. For these Islam is just another unexplored country with much to offer.

That way they too get lured by the temptation of Islam.

I do however also think many women in Europe are also impressed by the aggressiveness of the Islamic male, especially as they compare them to other White European men, from among whom only an dwindling minority wish to test manliness with others. It is of course an oft cited propaganda that takes place from the Islamics, but I think this propaganda has started showing results. The willingness to pick fights, to react violently at the slightest of slights, to show oneself as supremely confident and brash, to be loud, to be unapologetic, etc. on a community-wide level starts strengthening the image of the confident male. European men on the other hand are far more into projecting the image of nice lovable laid-back, easy-going, party-lovers, or as too bookwormish, or as too individualistic, or as simply too afraid of responsibility, relationships and family-raising, or too obsessed with money and separate accounts.

There are too many weaknesses in European society which is making them a walk-over by Islam!
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Cross-posting a post by arun from the "Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis" Thread

Published on Apr 29, 2013
By Ryan Parry
My boyfriend the bomber: The Sun
Former girlfriend of now dead Mohammadden Terrorist Tamerlan Tsarnaev who carried out the attack on the Boston marathon is reported as saying “He said I was 'pure' and he took my virginity. I loved him but he slapped me and tried to brainwash me to hate US like he did”
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HuffPost:
American Female Converts To Islam Facing Growing Scrutiny
By Omar Sacirbey (Note the Turkish name)
BOSTON (RNS) When Karen Hunt Ahmed and her Muslim husband divorced four years ago, many friends asked her, "Now you can stop this Islam stuff, right?"

Some friends, she thought.

"Like it was a hobby I took up when I got married and now I'm supposed to drop it," said Hunt Ahmed, president of the Chicago Islamic Microfinance Project, which she founded with two colleagues in 2009.

Hunt Ahmed, 45, is part of a growing sorority of female American converts to Islam, especially those who are or were married to Muslim men, who must deal with the perception that they converted to Islam because of domineering boyfriends or husbands.

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While some American Muslim women converted while single, those who started reading about Islam after meeting future husbands are incredulous over the idea that they converted to please them.

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Female Muslim converts acknowledge that they have heard about Muslim women trapped in abusive relationships, but say that such relationships affect women of other faiths as well.

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While such stereotypes still annoy these women, many say they have grown tired of having to explain their decisions to convert. Which doesn't mean they aren't trying to change minds.
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LAW AND FREEDOM

Britain's last hope?????

http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/
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Pakistan and True Democracy Conference - in Birmingham (UK), with invited Islamist dignitaries from UK and Europe. speech by Dr.Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq11vTJHdNw
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Sharia Scare Shakes UK: 'Law of the land go to hell'. An RT Report.

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Tony Blair's sister-in-law, who converted to Islam, steals a fellow-Muslimah's Pakistani husband.
Peace activist and Muslim convert Lauren Booth has been branded a home-wrecker by the woman who is still married to her new husband, Sohale Ahmed.
She accuses her of openly flirting with Sohale in front of her, spending the family celebrations of Ramadan and Eid with him, and marrying him in secret.

Speaking from the house in a gated community where she has taken refuge, Mrs Ahmed said:
‘Lauren destroyed my home. You can’t just put on a hijab and say you are a good Muslim woman – it’s about having boundaries with men, and love and respect for women.

‘She came into my house as my and my husband’s guest and did this under my nose. Her behaviour appals me, and other Muslim women – the very people she professes to support – must now judge her.’

Her words are a major rebuke to Ms Booth, 45, whose Facebook announcement of her marriage was revealed by The Mail on Sunday last week.

It followed a jokey advert placed on the social networking site last year saying she was hunting for a husband, and that ‘Mossad agents, secret drinkers, CIA stooges, men who don’t pray and men who don’t pay’ need not apply.

Last night Mrs Ahmed told how her marriage to Sohale, 49, faltered as he devoted increasing amounts of time to promoting Muslim charity and fundraising events involving Ms Booth.
She knew they were business associates and Sohale described Ms Booth as his ‘sister’ – a Muslim term of respect.

Mrs Ahmed first met Ms Booth, who is now recognised across the United States, Asia and the Middle East as a public speaker, when she came to stay at the Ahmed family home in March 2012.

...Later that evening, after demanding that her husband come upstairs to bed, Mrs Ahmed claims she was shocked to see him emerging from Ms Booth’s room.

‘He said he’d just popped in to collect something and brushed aside my suspicions but I was shocked and furious with him,’ she said.

...Ms Booth later wed Sohale in a secret nikah, or religious ceremony. Such a ceremony is significant in faith terms but is not recognised as legal in Britain unless it takes place in another country where it is considered a legal way to marry.
Ex-husband: Peace activist Booth was formerly married to actor Craig Darby. She divorced him after he suffered serious brain injuries in a 2009 motorbike crash.
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Is it even Islamic to comeout like that on a husband, especially when Islam allows men to marry more than one woman?
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Seven disgusting Pakistani monsters found guilty of child rape:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ox ... e-22438623
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Britain has actually lost all moral high ground to say anything about turd-wuld countries, as it imports Pakistani men from Pakistan to come and rape their children, abuse them, beat them and burn them. The British Elite are so obsessed with their friendship with the Saudi Royals and their obsession with playing power-politics in far off countries that the British are willing to allow this abuse of their children.

There is no other people on this Earth which can fall so low so as to quench the greed of their elite!
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Karmic Wheel Turning;Chappa Chappa Chappa Charkha Challe, UQ Kaa THALLA Jalle


Christianity declining 50pc faster than thought – as one in 10 under-25s is a Muslim
Christianity could be facing a catastrophic collapse in Britain according to official figures suggesting it is declining 50 per cent faster than previously thought

A new analysis of the 2011 census shows that a decade of mass immigration helped mask the scale of decline in Christian affiliation among the British-born population – while driving a dramatic increase in Islam, particularly among the young.It suggests that only a minority of people will describe themselves as Christians within the next decade, for first time.Meanwhile almost one in 10 under 25s in Britain is now a Muslim.The proportion of young people who describe themselves as even nominal Christians has dropped below half for the first time.Initial results from the 2011 census published last year showed that the total number of people in England and Wales who described themselves as Christian fell by 4.1 million – a decline of 10 per cent.But new analysis from the Office for National Statistics shows that that figure was bolstered by 1.2 million foreign-born Christians, including Polish Catholics and evangelicals from countries such as Nigeria.They disclosed that there were in fact 5.3 million fewer British-born people describing themselves as Christians, a decline of 15 per cent in just a decade.At the same time the number of Muslims in England and Wales surged by 75 per cent – boosted by almost 600,000 more foreign born followers of the Islamic faith.While almost half of British Muslims are under the age of 25, almost a quarter of Christians are over 65.The average age of a British Muslim is just 25, not far off half that of a British Christian.Younger people also drove a shift away from religion altogether, with 6.4 million more people describing themselves as having no faith than 10 years earlier.
Secular campaigners said the new figures showed that Christianity had now dropped below “critical mass” making the case for disestablishing the Church of England stronger.
But the Church insisted that while there had been a significant drop in “nominal” Christians, the core of the Church remained firm.
Prof David Coleman, Professor of demography at Oxford University, said: “This is a very substantial change – it is difficult to see whether any other change in the census could have been remotely as big.“But I wonder how far it reflects an overarching change in society where it is more acceptable more normal to say that you are not religious or are not Christian.”Dr Fraser Watts, a Cambridge theologian, said it was “entirely possible” the people identifying themselves as Christians could become a minority within the next decade on the basis of the figures.“It is still pretty striking and it is a worrying trend and confirms what anyone can observe - that in many churches the majority of the congregation are over 60,” he said.Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society, said the long-term reduction of Christianity, particularly among young people, was now “unstoppable”.“In another 20 years there are going to be more active Muslims than there are churchgoers,” he said.“The time has now come that institutional Christianity is no longer justified, the number has dropped below critical mass for which there is no longer any justification for the established Church, for example, or the monarch going through a religious ceremony at coronation. :lol: “The expressions of optimism by the church are just completely misplaced.”But a spokesman for the Church of England said: “These figures highlight the diversity of Christianity in this country today, something which has been increasing for decades and shows the relevance of Christianity to people from all backgrounds.“These figures once again confirm that this remains a faithful nation and that the fall in the numbers identifying themselves as Christians is a challenge but – as you can see from the stability of Church of England attendance figures – the committed worshipping centre of the church remains firm.“The challenge to the Church is to reconnect with the nominal.”
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^ are ju saying

There are 10 briturds
5 of them are briturdinis
1 male Briturd is a Muslim
Muslim Briturd marries 4 briturdinis
This leaves 1 (wanna be pious) briturdini available for all five briturds (the Muslim Briturd is available for ahem outside marriage) making her a hore.

In generation 2
There will be 10 old briturds and 10 new briturds
The new Muslim briturds will all be Muslims and will get 50% of national resources
The old Muslim Briturd family gets another 25% of national resources

Leaving 25% of national resources to all non-Muslim briturds put together?

I see lot of capital flight (along with PIOs) in next 50 years throwing the Britain in Atlantic....
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Cross-posting a post by brihaspati from "West Asia News and Discussions" Thread

jihadis will of course be taken care of : as in Afghanistan or Libya or Sudan, etc. After all they are their own assets!

Meanwhile something more about the Qataris : (an old ref, but thought of this since I remember that the current emir is an ex-Sandhurster and came to power through a coup against his father, and the counter-coup was thwarted with the help of western "intel" and the first country to "recognize" him post-coup was UK).

Published in January 27, 2012 issue
By Hussein Askary
Al-Jazeera Demystified: Executive Intelligence Review
While BBC Arabic Television itself may be dead, its editorial spirit, its style and even its programmes, albeit under different names, live on—transmitted from the tiny Gulf State of Qatar. Al-Jazeera (the Peninsula) Satellite Television went on air at the beginning of last November [1996], staffed chiefly by ex-members of BBC Arabic Television, and headed by Chief Editor, Sami Haddad, a skilled broadcaster and former Current Affairs Editor with BBC Arabic Radio at Bush House for many years.

—Ian Richardson, Al-Quds Al-Arabi,
April 21, 1997

Jan. 16—Any discussion of Al-Jazeera TV's sinister role in the current developments in North Africa and Southwest Asia, and the role of the State of Qatar, should be seen in light of the above words by Ian Richardson, published London-based Arabic daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi. Although not telling the whole truth, he gave a useful account of the shutting down of BBC Arabic on April 21, 1996, and the birth of Al-Jazeera a few months later. The Saudis were behind the shutdown of the BBC Arabic service because they were the financiers of the operation, and when they collided with the British Empire's "permanent interests" which know no "permanent allies," they closed the money spiggot and shut off the satellite supply from the Saudi-owned Orbit Communication Corporation which was providing the transmission for BBC Arabic.

Richardson was the managing editor and creator of BBC Arabic Television News. According to his own biography, he had previously held such sensitive "news"/intelligence collector functions for the British Foreign Office-run news agency as: editor, BBC World Service Newsgathering; BBC World Service field co-ordinator for the Gorbachov-Reagan-Bush summits; and BBC World Service field co-ordinator for the Tienanmen Square uprising, Beijing (http://www.richardsonmedia.co.uk/).

From its inception, Al-Jazeera TV was one tool among many, of British intelligence and cultural warfare (disinformation war), born out of a crisis created by the British themselves, involving Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other actors. The aim of the British was to order the affairs of the region and the world, at a time that Londonw as preparing the permanent "war on terror" and crisis management and dictatorship rule, currently in process in the United States, the EU, and other parts of the world.

The period Richardson was referring to, when the transmutation of BBC Arabic into Al-Jazeera Satellite TV occurred, was a turbulent one, which started when the current Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani (a British Sandhurst Military Academy graduate) carried out a palace coup against his father Khalifa bin Hamad Al-Thani in June 1995. Hamad was assisted by his cousin, the current Foreign Minister Hamad bin Jasim Al-Thani. The elder Khalifa, who was abroad at the time of the coup, sought help from Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the two most powerful Arab countries, in a counter-coup which failed in February 1996.

A massive diplomatic crisis took place, involving Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt. Nineteen Saudis were implicated in the failed counter-coup, many of whom where later sentenced to death (but execution was suspended) or life imprisonment. Unconfirmed reports allege that the young Sheikh Hamad was assisted by foreign powers to stay in power, in spite of the fact that major regional powers and part of the ruling family were against him. What is known, however, is that the Queen of England and her government were the first to acknowledge the new ruler of Qatar.


Meanwhile, in Saudi Arabia

Simultaneous with these developments, Saudi Arabia was being targeted by an operation run from London to destabilize the Al-Saud dynasty, ironically the most important ally of the British Empire and its largest weapons importer. What was involved is partially a succession fight inside the Al-Saud family (due to King Fahad bin Abdul-Aziz's failing health, caused by a stroke in 1995), which the British wanted to steer to preserve the special relationship between the Kingdom and Britain. But what was more important strategically, was to shape the relationship between Saudi Arabia and the United States of America.

As has been extensively documented by EIR, the British policy vis-à-vis the U.S republic since the death of President Franklin Roosevelt has been to involve the U.S. in permanent wars in Asia, and prevent any strategic-economic alliance among the U.S., Russia, and China. British foreign and intelligence policy manages that by playing the special friend and ally with the U.S. in imperial wars and adventures around the world. Smaller nations, such as the Arab governments in the Middle East are treated like useful tools, that can be treated harshly when they do not fall in line with the British schemes, and nicely, if they do.

King Fahad, under whom the British-Saudi Al-Yamamah weapons contract was consolidated, and the Afghan War financed, had become unpopular because he had invited the U.S. military forces to the Muslim Holy Land of "Al-Haramain" (Saudi Arabia) in 1990 to help expel Saddam Hussein's forces from Kuwait after the Iraqi invasion. The U.S. established a permanent air base near Al-Khobar, which gradually became the target of fanatic sections in the Wahhabi clergy and factions of the Al-Saud family.

One Osama bin Laden, a former CIA-MI6-backed asset in the Afghan War against the Soviets, established an office in London for an advocacy group called the Committee for the Defense of Legitimate Rights (CDLR). In 1994, the CDLR started lobbying for support and signatures targeting the Saudi-American cooperation and King Fahad. While the office of the CDLR was manned by Western-clothed political activists Saad Al-Fagih and Mohammad Al-Masaari—two political refugees granted asylum and protection in Britain—along with bin Laden's close friend Khalid Al-Fawwaz, the manifestos and press releases calling for the overthrow of the King, forcing the U.S. armed forces out of the Holy Land, and establishing a true Wahhabi state, were all signed by bin Laden.

All Saudi attempts to convince the British government to shut down the CDLR offices or expel its members from Britain failed. At the time, Britain was fighting legal charges from dozens of countries in Asia and North Africa for hosting all types of terrorist groups which were actively planning, recruiting for, and funding massacres and terror-bombings throughout Asia and North Africa. The British government and Parliament's official defense line against these charges was that the British Empire's laws allow such activities on British soil as long as these terror activities do not harm British interests!


On Nov. 13, 1995, a car bomb killed five U.S. and two Indian citizens at the offices of the Saudi National Guard in Riyadh. This car bombing led the U.S. forces stationed at Khobar Towers to raise the threat condition alert.

In spite of that pre-warning and state of alert, a massive truck-bomb attack on the U.S. Air Force base on June 25, 1996, killed 19 U.S. servicemen. This led many intelligence analysts to suspect that a faction in the Saudi family, specifically active in the National Guard under Crown Prince Abdullah, was behind the attack, or at least facilitated it. The Saudis misled the U.S. into believing that the Iranian-backed Hezbollah in Lebanon was behind the attack, allegedly managing to smuggle a truckload of explosives across the borders of four countries with tight security, from Lebanon to Saudi Arabia!

It was revealed later in FBI chief Louis Freeh's memoir, My FBI, that it was Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, who suggested that Iran and Hezbollah be investigated as the possible culprits. Bandar made this the leading issue in the mind of Freeh in a private meeting in Bandar's residence the day after the attack. Then Bandar personally, along with Saudi intelligence, constructed a long trail of false evidence to lead Freeh and FBI to the conclusion that Iran was behind the attack.

Interestingly, President Bill Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno did not buy this story pushed by the Saudis. It was not until George W. Bush was in the White House that an indictment against a group of allegedly Hezbollah-affiliated Saudi-Shia citizens and a Lebanese, was issued on June 21, 2001, by the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia.

Freeh went on later to become Prince Bandar's lawyer to help whitewash him of charges related to the Al-Yamamah corruption and bribery case in the U.S. As documented thoroughly by EIR,[1] Al-Yamamah was the Anglo-Saudi arms deal which created the slush funds to finance the mujahideen fighters around the world, and even the 9/11 hijackers, by Bandar and his wife, personally. Suicide attacks against U.S. targets in Saudi Arabia continued all through the 1990s, up to the most bloody attack on the Vinnell Company compound in Riyadh in May 2003, in which 35 civilians were killed and 200 wounded.

Eventually, and conveniently, the U.S. air base was moved to the tiny and protected state of Qatar, where the As Sayliyah Army Base served as the air operations center for the next American war against Iraq, in March 2003.

Bin Laden, who, in 1994-96, was not known internationally, struck a deal with the Al-Saud family (reportedly through Prince Turki bin Faisal, the director of Saudi Intelligence at the time) to prevent him from being extradited from Sudan, where he resided until 1996, to either Saudi Arabia or the United States. The Sudanese government was willing to cooperate with the U.S., but was told to let bin Laden leave, to travel to Afghanistan. He was advised by Saudi intelligence to go there and enjoy the protection of the Saudi-assets, the mujahideen, and later, the Taliban.

In the meantime, bin Laden changed the nature of his operations to target only U.S. interests instead of the Al-Saud regime. This was inaugurated with the twin car bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, in August 1998, and the official announcement of the creation of al-Qaeda. This paved the way for the next British move, forcing the United States into "a permanent war against terrorism," rather than dealing with other urgent issues, such as the collapsing financial and economic system.

At the same time, the British brought the Saudis more into line with their policies, succession fights aside, after giving them a lesson in who is the master who can pull the strings of the different players. Terrorism and media control were two essential instruments in the game.

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Following the first terrorist attacks in Riyadh in 1995, the BBC Arabic began, in early 1996, to broadcast regular interviews with bin Laden's CDLR office managers Al-Fagih and Al-Masaari, as "experts" on Saudi affairs, giving them ample freedom to attack the Al-Saud family, and to give marching orders to the opposition inside the country. This enraged the Saudi royal family, who themselves were financing BBC Arabic. The British government and the BBC waived the station's "independent editorial policy" in the face of the Saudi objections. So, instead of presenting obsolete legal arguments, the Saudis simply turned off the switches at the Orbit satellite service provider of BBC Arabic on April 21, 1996.

It is not clear yet how the decision to move BBC Arabic to Qatar to create Al-Jazeera was made, and which British and Qatari officials were involved in the deal. But one thing is clear: The British helped the new Qatari Emir, who was in a propaganda war against the Saudis and Egyptians, to stay in power and to boost his ego. The propaganda from Al-Jazeera was targeting Saudi Arabia and Egypt specifically, and therefore, it had to bring the most viral opponents of these regimes on air. This meant bin Laden and his sympathizers, and the Egyptian Islamists.

But in order to acquire popularity in the eyes of the large Arab population in the Middle East and North Africa, Al-Jazeera started criticizing the government and leaders of these regions. This was taboo in these countries, where the mass media was totally controlled by the regimes. Of course, the only government which was not criticized was the Qatari government itself, which was investing enormous amounts of financial resources in the Al-Jazeera satellite TV.

However, the largest boost in popularity for Al-Jazeera was due to its anti-American and anti-Israeli propaganda. While it is clear that the U.S. and Israel have had a terrible, and often criminal record of abuses against the Arab nations, especially the Palestinians and Iraqis, little attention was paid to the British origins of the political crises in the region. Al-Jazeera's mission seemed to be to paint a world dominated by American imperialists who are controlled by the Zionist Lobby.

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Missing is the legendary "human intelligence" which relies on understanding history, culture, and science. British intelligence is a master of this, but only the dark side of the matter, and therefore, the world will not be rid of this plague as long as the U.S. is led by either Republicans or Democrats with a weakness for monarchist-oligarchical systems. British intelligence is like the Venetian Iago Shakespeare and Verdi warned us of. "Credo in un Dio crudel," says Iago in Verdi's Otello: "I believe in a cruel God." The Qataris, Saudis, and Americans are merely the Othellos, Cassiuses, and Desdemonas, who are being manipulated by the false friend Iago.

It is often the ironies and paradoxes which reveal the truth. While Qatar-owned Al-Jazeera was sympathizing with and propagating the ideology of bin Laden and al-Qaeda, and overtly supporting the Saddam Hussein regime, American bombers were taking off from Qatar's As Sayliya base to bomb Iraq and Afghanistan. While Al-Jazeera was defending the Palestinians, Qatari leaders were playing the peace-makers and friends of the Israeli government, who were killing the Palestinians in Jenin and Gaza.

Now that the British drive for a world war assumes the highest priority, all assets have to be directed towards the same goal. Therefore, Al-Jazeera, and Qatar behind it, have been mending their relations with the Saudis. The 19 Saudis who were waiting for death sentences or life imprisonment in Qatar were pardoned and released in 2011, and Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani reaffirmed his state's commitment to the teachings of the extreme Wahhabi sect when he inaugurated the Imam Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab Mosque in Doha in December 2011, as a gesture of good faith towards the Saudis.
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Cross-posting from "West Asia News and Discussions" Thread

brihaspati garu,

that was quite an insightful post!

It seems the British try to control both sides of the conflict - by siding with the strongest party capable of military warfare and the party of chaos, the party capable of asymmetric warfare. And this they do along the whole chain thus keeping each player under threat and in control.

Media, NGOs, Jihadis, Drugs, Money Laundering, etc. seem to be their weapons of choice.

It is also probable that it was the British who pushed the whole Arab Spring thing to create a new alternative. Muslim Brotherhood opened its London office in 1999, but the Brits had started to nurture MB since 1996 itself.

The Brits try to get any two groups to fight it out and then to play the arbitrator and get power. Now both MB and Wahhabis are present in London and it allows Britain to play both sides.

London, Riyadh, Dubai and Doha are the capitals where the wars of the world are decided.

It would be interesting to learn which faction is doing what in this Pakjabi-Pushtun politics, who owns whom - Imran Khan, Nawaz Sharief, Taliban, etc. The Taliban office in Qatar should be something to think about! Actually I would be surprised if there was a single player in Pakistan, that the Brits did not own!

Also Britain invests in all three streams of movements and vested interests - military, left-liberals and Islamic extremists. They look after the third world military rulers like Musharraf. He had bought a house on Edgeware Road in London, paid by some Arab regime, but most probably facilitated by the Brits themselves. The Brits have a thriving left-liberal industry in academia and media. In fact, BBC has a program called a Doha round, with which it tries to create a certain position in the Arab world. And then all sorts of Islamic groups are given sanctuary in Britain. Besides every form of ethnic group has its leadership residing in Britain, Altaf Hussain is a prime example.

What the British are able to do is to keep all of these factions carry out factional fighting, and either directly or through other partners, e.g. in Arabia, are able to provide some succor to some party thus creating still more indebted individuals and assets. Now that Musharraf e.g. is completely in debt and has been shown his place, wouldn't he be singing everything about the nuclear capacity of Pakistan like a canary?! That is in case he hasn't already done so!

In fact, even the work of mediation in Pakistan has been outsourced by the British to the Saudis and Qataris, to give themselves more plausible deniability and freedom to operate.
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Published on Mar 05, 2013
By Samuel Westrop
Britain Legitimizes, Funds Terrorist Movement: Gatestone Institute
Jamaat-e-Islami, an extremist Bangladeshi Islamist group responsible for mass killings in 1971, has established itself as a leading force among British Muslims.

Forty years after Pakistani forces and their Islamist collaborators slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people, there is finally some semblance of justice in Bangladesh. Of the ten people indicted for acts of genocide by the Bangladeshi war crimes tribunal, eight of them are from the Islamist movement, Jamaat-e-Islami.

In the West, where many of the war criminals from the 1971 atrocities fled, the Jamaat movement has become a powerful leader within Muslim communities.

Bangladesh's official figures claim Pakistani soldiers and their Jamaat collaborators killed an estimated three million people, raped 200,000 women and forced tens of millions to flee their homes. At the time of the genocide, one US official was quoted saying, "It is the most incredible, calculated thing since the days of the Nazis in Poland."

Earlier this month, the war crimes tribunal handed a life sentence to Abdul Quader Mollah, a leading Jamaat-e-Islami figure, for his role in the 1971 atrocities. He emerged from the Supreme Court on February 4, offering a victory sign to his supporters. Known as the "Butcher of Mirpur," Mollah was convicted of beheading a poet, raping an 11 year old girl, and shooting 344 people.

Hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshis have deemed a prison sentence too benign; huge protests have been taking place for several weeks outside the courthouse in Bangladesh's capital city, Dhaka. Even today, Bangladesh's other extreme Islamist groups believe Jamaat to be too violent. A journalist for the British Independent, Philip Hensher, wrote that, "The protests … are led by intelligent and liberal people; they are, however, calling with great urgency for the death penalty to be passed on Mollah and other convicted war criminals."

In Britain, however, Jamaat is not troubled by its past.

The East London Mosque and the Islamic Forum of Europe are both leading Jamaat organizers in Britain. Both institutions heavily promote the writings of Syed Mawdudi, the founder of Jamaat Islamism, whose book, Let Us Be Muslims, tells followers that, "The sacred duty of Muslims … wherever you are, in whichever country you live, you must strive to change the wrong basis of government, and seize all powers to rule and make laws from those who do not fear God."

One Bangladeshi Jamaat MP, Delwar Hossain Sayedee, also a war criminal, has regularly appeared at the East London Mosque and has even raised funds there for the Jamaat movement. In November 2010, the War Crimes Tribunal for the Bangladeshi genocide ordered the arrest of Sayedee for his involvement in war crimes in Pirojpur, his home district, where 30,000 people were murdered and their bodies dumped in 12 mass graves. At least 300 women were allegedly tortured and 146 houses were set on fire. The investigators visited Pirojpur and found evidence of murder, rape and genocide "committed by Sayedee."

On February 28th Sayedee was found guilty by the Tribunal and was sentenced to death.

Other speakers at the East London Mosque have included Bilal Philips, named by the US government an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; Hussein Yee, who has claimed the September 11 attacks were a Jewish conspiracy; and the late Al Qaeda recruiter Anwar al-Awlaki, whose last video talk at the mosque in 2009 was advertised with a poster of New York under heavy bombardment.

The Islamic Forum of Europe [IFE] is another Jamaat group that also promotes extremists. Azad Ali, a leading IFE official, was previously filmed by undercover reporters stating, "Democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia, no one is going to agree with that." He has called for the destruction of Israel, justified the killing of British troops in Iraq and praised Al Qaeda leader Anwar Al-Awlaki, as well as Osama bin Laden's mentor, Abdullah Azzam.

Ali was previously a civil servant at the British Treasury. In 2010, the current leader of the opposition, Ed Miliband MP, and Harriet Harman MP attended a conference where Ali spoke. The conference, called Progressive London, was organized by the former Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone. Ali was also the chair of the Muslim Safety Forum, another Jamaat front group that worked closely with the British Government, including the Metropolitan Police, the Crown Prosecution Service and the Home Office.

Junaid Ahmed, another IFE official, is the deputy chair and a trustee of London Citizens, a group of "community organizers" which is a key supporter of the East London Mosque. Junaid has described Ahmed Yassin, the founder of the Palestinian terrorist group, Hamas, as a "hero," and has praised the "steadfastness" of Hamas's murderous activities. In spite of this, London Citizens has received support from the Mayor's Fund for London and has even enjoyed partnership with a number of Jewish synagogues for interfaith initiatives.

In 2010, the UK Islamic Mission, yet another fundamentalist group that promotes Jamaat-e-Islami, organized a series of fundraising events across the UK, which prominently featured Qazi Hussain Ahmed, a former president of Jamaat-e-Islami. Ahmed, a strong supporter of Bin Laden, claims that the Jews were responsible for the September 11 attacks. He also has said, "Now is the time that we should be prepared for Jihad. This Jihad will be against oppression … And the jihad in the way of Allah is not terrorism. I salute the girl who killed five American soldiers in a suicide attack in Iraq." The Labour Party's Anas Sarwar MP was happy to speak on the same platform.

But Jamaat representation in the UK goes beyond promoting Jamaat ideology; it also includes wanted war criminals from the 1971 slaughter. In April 2012 the Sunday Telegraph reported that Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin, who was formerly the director of Muslim spiritual care provision in the National Health Service, a trustee of leading British charity Muslim Aid and a founding figure of the Muslim Council of Britain, was to be charged in connection with a series of killings of intellectuals during the 1971 atrocities. Mueen-Uddin was formerly also the vice-chairman of East London Mosque.

A Channel 4 "Dispatches" program has alleged that another leading British Islamist, Abu Sayeed, is another war criminal who fled Bangladesh to live in Britain. Sayeed was previously a "head teacher of a Muslim school and a co-opted member of Tower Hamlets Education Council." The documentary revealed that he was a senior member of the Al-Badr death squad, a Jamaat paramilitary group responsible for the mass murder and rape of Bangladeshi citizens.

While the Jamaat movement is being held to account in Bangladesh, it has established itself as a leading force among British Muslims. For years, leading Members of Parliament have spoken at events organised by Jamaat groups such as the East London Mosque. In the past seven years, the East London Mosque has received around £3 million of public funds. Further, in 2011 it was revealed that the Islamic Forum of Europe was channelling £149,627 to three organisations controlled or heavily influenced by Jamaat – the East London Mosque (£17,561), the Tower Hamlets Council of Mosques (£26,179) and the Osmani Trust (£105,887).

Such support only works to legitimize Jamaat as leaders within the British Muslim community.

British media and politicians have only just started paying proper attention to the current tumult in Bangladesh and the crimes committed by Jamaat-e-Islami. While Bangladeshis demand justice for Jamaat's crimes, the British taxpayers have been supporting Jamaat's work.
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Published on May 22 2013
By Rosa Silverman
'Soldier beheaded' in street by men with machete

Two men were shot by armed police after attacking a pedestrian, believed to be a soldier, with a machete-style knife close to military barracks, eyewitnesses have said.

Local MP Nick Raynsford said he had been told the man attacked in the street was a soldier serving at the Royal Artillery Barracks near the attack.

Mr Raynsford said the soldier had been returning to the barracks after a day out when he was attacked.

London Ambulance Service said one man, believed to be the victim of the machete attack, had died in the incident and two others were injured, one seriously.

Several witnesses described seeing a "beheading" while another described seeing a man wearing a Help for Heroes T-shirt being attacked with a machete-style knife and dumped.

One witness, called James, told LBC radio: "We saw clearly two knives, meat cleavers, they were big kitchen knives like you would use in a butcher's, they were hacking at this poor guy, we thought they were trying to remove organs from him"

"These two guys were crazed, they were not there, they were just animals. They then dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road.

"They took 20 minutes to arrive, the police – the armed response."

He added: "There was only a few people at first then traffic began to build up because people were getting out of their cars to shout at them they were taking no notice, they were standing there, I think they were proud of what they were doing.
"When they dumped the body in the road, these two black guys had the opportunity to hurt other people if they wanted to because there were brave women with the dead guy on the floor, they were shielding and covering him. The attackers with the knives were standing over these women.

"The guy with the gun, the tall guy with the beanie cap on, even a bus had pulled up – he was going over to the bus and asking people to take his photo."

Luke Huseyin, 32, who lives in a block of flats on John Wilson Street, Woolwich, close to where the incident happened.
He said: "I was at home and heard a big bang. I looked out of the window and saw a car had crashed.

"It was a blue Vauxhall.

"Then two black guys got out of the car dragging a white guy across the road towards the wall.

"One of the guys had a knife that looked about a foot long and a machete and the other bloke had a gun.

"They started slashing him up with the knife and hitting him in the stomach with the machete.

"I don't think it took long before he was dead.

"There were people passing by who were screaming and running away. I've never seen anything like it.

"I'm still really shaken up.

"When he was dead, they dragged him out into the road and left him there.

"It was strange, they didn't run off, they just stood there as if they were waiting for the police.

"It must've taken about 20 minutes for the police to arrive, I think it must've been because they were waiting for armed police.

"The police officers got out of the car and the two black men ran towards them with the gun.

"The police shot them.

"They fell to the ground. Then a helicopter landed.

"Think it must've been an air ambulance.

"The paramedics got out and I think they were working on the two men to try and keep them alive.

"I don't know if they died, they were taken away in the helicopter.

"A blanket was put over the white guy lying in the road.

"I just can't believe what I saw."

Eyewitness Michael Atley, 28, who works for a building maintenance firm nearby, said the two killers were in a blue BMW 3 series which mounted the pavement and knocked the victim over.

They then beheaded him with either a meat cleaver or a machete before both were shot by police officers who were on the scene within moments.

He told the Telegraph: “We heard the gunfire from the police shooting the two people. There were a few shots, then a pause, then some more shots, maybe eight shots in total.

“I spoke to an eyewitness who had seen the whole thing and he said they had run the guy over and then started decapitating him.

“When the police arrived the black guys were waving a pistol and a machete or a meat cleaver in the air and the police opened fire.

“When I got there the police were rushing to the bodies of the people they had shot.

“A helicopter landed in the middle of the road and took the victim away. There was a lot of blood. The paramedics wear blue gloves and they were covered in blood.”
He said children at a nearby school were locked in by their teachers.

Officers were called to John Wilson Street in Woolwich, south east London, at around 2.20pm and the immediate area was shut down.

On its Twitter account, the Metropolitan Police helicopter team called the incident "serious".

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "Officers have responded to an incident in John Wilson Street at 2.20pm today.

"We believe at this stage officers were called to reports of an assault."

A police cordon was set up around 100 meters around where the incident happened.

A white police tent had been put up in John Wilson Street close to the junction with Artillery Place and Wellington Street.
Two ambulances, two police cars could be seen in the road.

A picture posted on Twitter appeared to show three people lying in a street with concerned people around them.
Images also appeared to show knives and blood stains at the junction of John Wilson Street and Wellington Street.

Local residents said there was a heavy police presence in the area and most of John Wilson Street had been cordoned off.
David Dixon, the head teacher of the nearby Mulgrave Primary School & Early Years Centre, said he went into the street to find out what was going on after hearing of the incident.

“There were lots of police,” he told the BBC. “I saw a body lying in the road. I went immediately back to shut the gate and to lock all the gates.

“The children were inside so they were as safe as possible.”

All the traffic had been stopped and “there were gunshots after that,” he added.

A woman working in an office overlooking the incident said: "I can see three bodies lying in the road with red blankets over them.

"All the bodies are within about 30 to 40 metres of each other. It looks like the police have covered them over because they must be dead.

"I didn't see the incident itself but I heard all the police and ambulance sirens, and then I saw an air ambulance landing nearby.

"I could see armed police all over the place. There was a lot of commotion, police running around in all different directions, as if they were looking for other people.

"I've been told that a man was attacked with a machete."

London Air Ambulance confirmed a doctor and a paramedic were sent to the scene at 14.27pm and remained on site.
London Ambulance Service was also called to the scene.

A spokeswoman for London Ambulance Service said: "We were called a 2.20pm to reports of an incident at John Wilson Street.

"We sent two responders in cars, three ambulance crews, two duty officers and London Air Ambulance were called out.
"We still have staff at the scene."
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^^^ another witness reporting attackers to be of afghan appearance
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on the news helo footage, you can see a huge pool of blood on the pavement...
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Karma Barra Balwan Rey: Chorre Na Yeh Jaan Rey
Kye janmo Tak, Kye Sadiyon Tak, Legga Full Imtihan Rey.

Must be Imrankhani 10%Pathani type. Britain needs to make separate ,secured room for Muslims where they can enjoy their religion freely by killing Kaffirs and raping local females. Lest not forget to send the Zaziya welfare check on weekly basis.
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This is in London

UK: Muslims screaming "Allahu akbar" behead British soldier with machete on public street

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/05/uk-mu ... treet.html
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Some Afghan interpreters to be allowed to settle in Britain
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ma ... -settle-uk
About half the Afghan interpreters risking their lives for British troops are to be given settlement rights in the UK under a reworked package prepared by the coalition government.The package represents a climbdown from earlier suggestions that most interpreters would have to risk reprisals as collaborators by the Taliban after coalition forces leave a still unstable country at the end of 2014.
Under the proposals any interpreters who have put themselves in physical danger working outside British military bases will be offered a resettlement package if they have been working for the UK forces for more than 12 months at the point of their redundancy.The package will apply to any Afghan interpreter employed by British forces between December 2012 and December 2014, the final point of British departure. It is estimated that about half the interpreters – roughly 600 – will qualify for resettlement in the UK.Qualifying interpreters will be offered a five-year visa for themselves and their families with additional practical help for relocation, accommodation and seeking work in the UK.If a qualifying interpreter does not want to take up the option of living in the UK they will be given an alternative five-year training and education package with the Afghan security forces on existing security force salaries. They will also be offered pro-rata rates.It is estimated that roughly 600 interpreters will not qualify for resettlement either because they do not have 12 months' continuous service or have not been deemed to face sufficient physical danger in their daily work. Interpreters not qualifying for resettlement will also be given the right to the equivalent of an 18-month average army salary paid on a monthly basis, rather than as a lump sum.A No 10 source said: "The prime minister has been very clear that we should not turn our backs on those who have trod the same path as our soldiers in Helmand, consistently putting their lives at risk to help our troops achieve their mission."
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BBC truly in love with "Peace"

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303
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^ on the right path.

I hope Govt of Britain maintains peace and human rights of the alleged protestors. Perhaps time for British society to reflect on how their society is making people so helpless that they have to resort to this type of desperate actions.
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Have to admire the brave women who were trying to help the poor guy

with these lunatics running around with bloodied hands and cleavers
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I don't call it bravery. It is public apathy, may be something to do with Britain. I think all Britishers should hang their heads with shame and contemplate what message they are sending to their children.
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Why is ArunDhoti Roy silent?

RamaYji, sometimes it is shocking that people go through "fight or flight" syndrome., and in case of western societies, they do not want to "interfere" since it is a "police job" which is usually prompt. So there is an implicit trust in the government services. So I would not link it with "british public apathy" (it is very subjective).

However since it is called a terrorist attack, British govt. needs to be reminded that terrorism has no religion and the human rights of the minorities need to be protected.
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Re: Islamic Britain & The Compromised Western Civilization

Post by ramana »

Looks more like a brutal criminal activity with Islamic slogans shouted. Hardly a terrorist attack.
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Re: Islamic Britain & The Compromised Western Civilization

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Disha-ji,
It was the same in Holland, when Theo van Gogh was cut up in front of a whole lot of people. They were all watching it with indifference, or even, mild curiosity as though it was Lux-kya-scene-hain.
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I wonder why British police shot these two guys wounding them. They seem to be very calm and interacting with media and other commoners.

I wish the police used some stun guns or pepper spray to arrest them instead of shooting them. Even better if they spent some time talking to them and take these peaceful protestors (their aggression was done by then) into custody.

Disha garu - it is police duty everywhere. In some places there are more police and have right equipment and in other places there is none.
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Its Time to Send Diggyrajabaja to comfort the peaceful minority victimized by Brit Police. They just shot the alleged suspects instead of arresting them and try in the court of Sharia.
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india also has had one islamic guy cutting his sisters head for a honour issue and walking calmly to the PS on the road , followed by a crowd with cellphone cams. the police were quite scared to see him and immediately barred the door!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txn7wJQBaKQ

pure 100% contractor grade islam.
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Re: Islamic Britain & The Compromised Western Civilization

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When Indian soldiers were beheaded, BBC termed an alleged accusation by India.

And this is a Terrorist attack?

It is just another Street Fight in Londonistan!
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Re: Islamic Britain & The Compromised Western Civilization

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The spirit of London'ers will shine through in this difficult time.
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Re: Islamic Britain & The Compromised Western Civilization

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The Islamists have overplayed their hand. Its a high visibility, low impact attack. If the Brits are smart about this, they will keep this issue burning in the media and use it to introduce tough immigration legislation
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