Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Oct 2013 23:49

Sagar G wrote:^^^^ Makes no sense to me, give some background.

Means ST, with all that gloss of Britsh English accent, western education etc, is no different from Tandoor Sharmas, ND Tiwaris, Kandas, Prakash Jaiswals of Congress.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 12 Oct 2013 23:53

That's already known but what about the piss that is being talked about by him and who is pallavi ???

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 12 Oct 2013 23:59

abhijitm wrote:
SaiK wrote:
Heil Modi!

- wonder why congi and the media has not taken this pic to task?
I thought congress would sue Modi for copying MMS trademark waiving.

Like this

from firstpost

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Oct 2013 03:28

I notice big differences.. the aged hand is sagging and struggles to remain at 165*.. whereas the younger heil is near 180* perfect. only caveat being the left hand vs. right hand. some commonalities are ill-kept beard.

disha · Post by **disha** » 13 Oct 2013 04:00

Sagar G wrote:That's already known but what about the piss that is being talked about by him and who is pallavi ???

ST countered a BJP supporter by insisting that one must talk peace with adversaries and not with friends. And the person responded with the agreement but also called ST an "intolerable disgusting" person.

In that context, ST response is extremely crass - particularly coming from an elected representative. First of all he says that the person (a woman) knows only "piss" and second invites her to "pass it" (to make it). This is basically "high english" version of gutter chaap CongIs.

And as an elected representative, no body has given him authority to define "talk of peace happens only among adversaries"., context of the original tweet could have been different and he jumped in with gratuitous advice and when countered responded even crassly.

So where is the media that made this talk about 50 crore girlfriend hiding now?*

*On another note, Sunanda is also on twitter and is now the airy fairy wall flower of twitter. Talks only inanities.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 13 Oct 2013 04:05

Thin attendance forces Congress to cancel Rahul Gandhi rallies in UP

Faced with the prospects of thin attendance owing to Hindu festival 'Karvachauth', the Congress has cancelled two rallies of Congress vice president Rahul Gandhi in Uttar Pradesh Oct 22. {karva chauth? I mean, really? }

While Congress leaders are attributing this for the axing of the rallies at Hamirpur and Salempur, other sources say the Congress was unhappy with the poor turnout at Gandhi's rallies this week in Aligarh and Rampur.

At both Aligarh and Rampur, the crowds were much below Congress expectations. After his return to the capital, Gandhi is learnt to pulled up Congress leaders from Uttar Pradesh, the sources said. {so they still have congress 'leaders' in UP? Who? Rita joshi?}

As Uttar Pradesh remains crucial for the Congress electoral arithmetic, the poor show was "certainly a cause for worry" for the party, a party leader said. The Congress holds 22 of the state's 80 Lok Sabha seats. {22 how? very suspicious... this evm thingie... hopefully they'll find their 'natural' level of 2 this time.}

Rahul Gandhi is to address eight rallies across Uttar Pradesh this year. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has announced nine rallies to be addressed by its prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi. {Since RG's rallies seem to hugely benefit BJP only, can we say BJP will have 9+8=17 rallies this time in UP?}

The ruling Samajwadi Party is slated to hold 18 rallies.

The thin attendance at Gandhi's rallies has been ridiculed by his opponents.

Urban Development Minister and Samajwadi Party leader Mohd Azam Khan said more people come out to catch a glimpse of him (Khan) any given day.

BJP state spokesman Vijay Bahadur Pathak said the thin attendance at Gandhi's meetings were not surprising. "We all know that people are dead set against the Congress," Pathak said.

disha · Post by **disha** » 13 Oct 2013 06:26

^^ At least they remembered karva chaut!!!

In this version, I think all the CongIs politician are observing karva chaut and waiting for the son to rise!

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 13 Oct 2013 09:42

nawabs wrote:Building ABVP in JNU – The Long Struggle

http://centreright.in/2013/10/building- ... -struggle/
It was in early nineties when a RSS Pracharak began to visit JNU campus on regular basis. He befriended a student who was quite influenced by the communist ideology. Dominance of communist ideology in JNU campus deservedly earned it the sobriquet – Kremlin on the bank of river Yamuna.

Excellent article. Thanks for posting.

Yogesh · Post by **Yogesh** » 13 Oct 2013 10:54

So just got off ph call from my bro..UP state govt has gone totally senile and elected representative becomes thugs of first order- consider this, state govt has given advt for appointment of @5k gram panchayat adhikari (in pay scale 5200-1900-20000) and the ruling party mla's mps are asking a sum anywhere in range 8-12 lacs INR openly as the security money for job.. this rate is for even direct relatives (this is not fictitious as it may sound, i name here district that border Vihar on NH2 (erstwhile GT road) MP RK yadav- 2 days back one of his relative visited him & he demanded this token amount from him

, the guy went crying all over the area

, giving choicest abuses to the sacred sinners

).. people feel now even Maya did better, hering this i was like hhppmhh

, now i understand why Nikku is praised against lallu lal raj

above is just a sample, list just goes on- mullaG last term govt appointed 14k police constables by taking a ransom of 4-5 lacs in 2006-07: these all are home now post high court stay for > 1 year now. more than 71k TET (basic education teachers vacancy got on hold for 9 months now- many candidate wrote application for 25-30 districts amount a fee of @30K to state govt exchequer, no clarity if the vacancies are cancelled or they will return fees ?

I said brother its best to just do some business- save this ransom and do something that your soul can accept, sigh ..

IMO Namo should raise this issue in coming rallies in UP..

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 13 Oct 2013 12:22

SaiK wrote:I notice big differences.. the aged hand is sagging and struggles to remain at 165*.. whereas the younger heil is near 180* perfect. only caveat being the left hand vs. right hand. some commonalities are ill-kept beard.

by Left hand vs right hand caveat you mean right hand like this??

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 13 Oct 2013 12:34

^^^ ju fascist. How dare ju compare the sikular pm with a communal wannabe.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 13 Oct 2013 12:45

I profess my innocence .I was comparing only Left hand vs right hand.
However one sagging right hand salute I found was that of a WW-II POW

here it is..

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 13 Oct 2013 13:15

disha wrote:ST countered a BJP supporter by insisting that one must talk peace with adversaries and not with friends. And the person responded with the agreement but also called ST an "intolerable disgusting" person.

In that context, ST response is extremely crass - particularly coming from an elected representative. First of all he says that the person (a woman) knows only "piss" and second invites her to "pass it" (to make it). This is basically "high english" version of gutter chaap CongIs.

And as an elected representative, no body has given him authority to define "talk of peace happens only among adversaries"., context of the original tweet could have been different and he jumped in with gratuitous advice and when countered responded even crassly.

So where is the media that made this talk about 50 crore girlfriend hiding now?*

*On another note, Sunanda is also on twitter and is now the airy fairy wall flower of twitter. Talks only inanities.

Ok I get it now thanks disha garu, people can easily fill up his twit handle with such high class gutter chaap talk targeting him as well not a difficult task at all.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 13 Oct 2013 15:49

Right time for NM to get some help to Odissa and AP people. I am posting in his page. Other gurus also please do.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 13 Oct 2013 15:56

Narayana Rao wrote:Right time for NM to get some help to Odissa and AP people. I am posting in his page. Other gurus also please do.

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vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 13 Oct 2013 17:22

chaanakya wrote:
SaiK wrote:I notice big differences.. the aged hand is sagging and struggles to remain at 165*.. whereas the younger heil is near 180* perfect. only caveat being the left hand vs. right hand. some commonalities are ill-kept beard.

by Left hand vs right hand caveat you mean right hand like this??

Was't that guy hitler a Christian fundamentalist who butchered minority Jews and others in gas chambers.

How did secularism in Europe deal with such a Christian fundamentalist? Were not there NGOs in Christian Europe taking such Christian fundamentalist to courts to prove his case?

Wasn't there campaigns against this Christian fundamentalist in secular media? What were secularists doing in Europe?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 13 Oct 2013 17:48

vishvak wrote: Was't that guy hitler a Christian fundamentalist who butchered minority Jews and others in gas chambers.

How did secularism in Europe deal with such a Christian fundamentalist? Were not there NGOs in Christian Europe taking such Christian fundamentalist to courts to prove his case?

Nazis were not exactly Christian fundamentalists, saar. Nazism is a ******** child of `secular rationalism' and Christian bigotry. But you are right that they did extend the old Christian antisemitism to its logical end. As Raul Hilberg puts it in his `Destruction of the European Jews', the church said `You have no right to live amongst us as Jews', the secular antisemites afterwards said, `You have no right to live amongst us', and Nazis took the statement to the logical extreme, and said, `You have no right to live.'

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 13 Oct 2013 17:56

Nageshks ji, could you please elaborate how secularism could have prevented Holocaust of Jews in Christian Europe and step by step logical worsening of anti-Sematism?

How can Indians educate European masses against anti sematism? After all secularism is a term in Indian constitution and we should live by high standards to talk about it.

Modi should make education and eradication of anti sematism as part of global civilization outreach as part and parcel of international goals.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 13 Oct 2013 18:06

This time the central and state agencies seem to have performed as they should be and so the death toll is in sub hundred where as it was in tens of thousands in 1999. This is also a NAMO effect. MMS and Munro working over time to make sure that they are not again shown in bad light against NAMO. But electorate should make no mistake as this is VOTE BANK appeasement only and will not be there once the VOTEing is over.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 13 Oct 2013 18:12

vishvak wrote:Nageshks ji, could you please elaborate how secularism could have prevented Holocaust of Jews in Christian Europe and step by step logical worsening of anti-Sematism?

Goodness! Secularism not only did not prevent the antisemitism, in fact the seculars were the most ferocious antisemites. The secular Nazis (well, Nazism is a religion of its own) held the Christian churches (of all sorts) in contempt, and even went after the Catholics, in some cases. The Nazis were after racial purity. The supposed Aryan race (not sure exactly how one determines this) was not to be polluted by contact with Jews and other lesser races (like the Slavs, the Roma - well, everyone except west Europeans). The old Christian antisemitism was modernised by the secular Nazis, and they gave the holocaust a modern facade by mixing it with race politics.

How can Indians educate European masses against anti sematism? After all secularism is a term in Indian constitution and we should live by high standards to talk about it.

We cannot. Antisemitism is at the core of many (if not most) Europeans. The East Europeans openly espouse antisemitism (my Romanian and Hungarian friends even today deny that there was any holocaust in Romania/Hungary, or even that there were many Jews in their countries in 1940). The west Europeans are a bit more sophisticated about it - they will say they oppose Israel, but not Jews, but scratch a bit deeper and you will find the old antisemitism there. To put it in brief, Europeans will give up every bit of their civilisation, but will never give up their antisemitism. Even in Germany and Austria, where Holocaust denial is a crime, and antisemitism has been demonised, it keeps coming up in new forms and is widely prevalent. Antisemitism exists because the Europeans hate Jews. There is nothing we can do about it.

Modi should make education and eradication of anti sematism as part of global civilization outreach as part and parcel of international goals.

Let us concentrate on educating Indians about the folly of antisemitism. It is already creeping up in India among Muslims. Europe is beyond us, and they will never learn anything from a bunch of heathens like us, so let us worry about ourselves, and leave the Europeans to do what they will.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 13 Oct 2013 18:22

Agree, there are some former East Europeans - Slovaks, Czechs, Poles on some forums I visit and their dislike of jews (in the guise of disliking pro Israel policies by the US) is very evident. They exhibit near visceral hatred against the jews, whilst claiming to be secular atheists. Surprising..

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 13 Oct 2013 18:31

My understanding is simple. Europe USA claim progressive laws so shouldn't citizens of these countries be subject to civilizing laws and litigations. Otherwise how will citizens be educated out of outright hatred and ignorance.

In Russia, Jews do enjoy festivities and yearly religious traditions. Europeans must be educated about this otherwise how will we ensure if Europeans coming to India are to be educated for such basic values.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 13 Oct 2013 18:39

this is going OT and better carried on elsewhere.

my two cents, for the roots of european anti-semitism, look at the diadochi(alexander's succesors) and roman empire's history with jews, creating a sentiment which was gradually spread around europe with the empire's propaganda arm -- the RC church. (do remember that the eastern orthodox churches separated only in the medieval period)
starting with the maccabee revolt against the selecucids and the jewish roman wars culminating in the bar kokhba revolt.

germany's own virulent strain of anti-semitism owes directly to martin luther and his protestant ethos. this was basically a wahabi style fundamentalist movement who anti-semitism would put modern anti-semitists to shame. whether the nazis were christian or not (some were, some not), they were all strongly influenced by germany's past, of which martin luther is a very important part.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Oct 2013 18:46

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 13 Oct 2013 18:49

Yes its interesting to see how the cultural memes or basic likes/dislikes remain even as the wrapper changes. There are some Pakistanis who claim to be liberal, secular, atheist - even post against islam and "organized religion". Still hate India/Hindus like anything though, with a barely disguised superiority complex.
Which is what makes the bizarre post independence secularism foisted onto India by the JNU ding dongs so bizarre. As if it will improve/reform India - all the good parts of sanatan dharma would be suppressed/eradicated, whilst the basic behaviour of the Indian public caste/regional issues would only remain and worsen (since the corrective mechanism would have disappeared).

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 13 Oct 2013 18:51

Amazing pics Muppalla ji - ready to be shared.
Are these his personal security folks? See both NSG and others..

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Oct 2013 18:53

Karan M wrote:Amazing pics Muppalla ji - ready to be shared.
Are these his personal security folks? See both NSG and others..

http://www.narendramodi.in/narendra-mod ... ayadashmi/

He did shastra puja with police and security forces.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 13 Oct 2013 19:24

Ebil Modi communalijing the police/armed forces onlee.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Oct 2013 20:03

^^ Teesta Traitor Setlvad started collecting crores from CONGis and COMMIEs because BJP was sendig rakhis to Army people. Now this? OMG!

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 13 Oct 2013 20:07

Daddy's Girl: How An African 'Princess' Banked $3 Billion In A Country Living On $2 A Day

The real story, however, is how Dos Santos–the oldest daughter of Angolan President José Eduardo dos Santos–acquired her wealth. For the past year FORBES has been tracing Isabel dos Santos’ path to riches, reviewing a score of documents and speaking with dozens of people on the ground. As best as we can trace, every major Angolan investment held by Dos Santos stems either from taking a chunk of a company that wants to do business in the country or from a stroke of the president’s pen that cut her into the action. Her story is a rare window into the same, tragic kleptocratic narrative that grips resource-rich countries around the world.

For President Dos Santos it’s a foolproof way to extract money from his country, while keeping a putative arm’s-length distance away. If the 71-year-old president gets overthrown, he can reclaim the assets from his daughter. If he dies in power, she keeps the loot in the family. Isabel may decide, if she is generous, to share some of it with her seven known half-siblings. Or not. The siblings are known around Angola for despising one another.

“It is not possible to justify this wealth, which is shamelessly displayed,” former Angolan prime minister Marcolino Moco tells FORBES. “There is no doubt that it was the father who generated such a fortune.”

Will we ever see our own kletrocrats Sonia/Vadra expose and chased around the globe?

archan · Post by **archan** » 13 Oct 2013 20:24

vivek.rao wrote:^^ Teesta Traitor Setlvad started collecting crores from CONGis and COMMIEs because BJP was sendig rakhis to Army people. Now this? OMG!

How many times do I have to tell you? Stop throwing the traitor word around, and mind your language.
You are just returning from a 3-month ban, have 4 active warnings, one more will mean a permanent ban. I suppose you couldn't care less? if so, let me know, I will make it easy for everyone.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 13 Oct 2013 21:12

Afrikan princess's husband is an arts collector, along with businessman and part owner of cement and oil companies.

Total coincidence only!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Oct 2013 21:21

Guys going OT all this talk of Hitler, Nazi salute etc.

SaiK try to control yourself as it leads to derailing.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 13 Oct 2013 21:29

Just to note that it is pointed out how anti-semitism has made inroads into Indian Muslim psyche.

To deal with it in India is like TSP rabid dogs thrown across border when root of the problem lies elsewhere. Anti-semitism without Jews as pointed out in poland show clearly how baseless it is wherever it is.

archan · Post by **archan** » 13 Oct 2013 21:51

vishvak wrote:Just to note that it is pointed out how anti-semitism has made inroads into Indian Muslim psyche.

To deal with it in India is like TSP rabid dogs thrown across border when root of the problem lies elsewhere. Anti-semitism without Jews as pointed out in poland show clearly how baseless it is wherever it is.

Wow, so you'll post this, in this thread, right after a mod's post about not making thread derailing posts? are you sure you want to keep it?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 13 Oct 2013 22:17

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1526069

A post from above discussion.

As a country we may have to deal with anti-semitism creeping into Muslims.. so how will we do that here? I have heard about it from Muslims in India about a decade ago already and we got to center any discussion on Indian issues and another important reason indirectly to live lifestyle which is Indian.

My last on this.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Oct 2013 22:36

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/naren ... 69031.html
Why Narendra Modi and the BJP are more dangerous than Congress?

Congress is guilty for the massacre of Sikhs, but it must be acknowledged that the party has tried to make up for its crime.

The BJP has nothing to do with the riots of 2002!

Punjab’s legislators. Of the 46 Congress MLAs, 33 are Sikh (on the other hand 10 of the BJP’s 12 MLAs are Hindu). It is the Sikhs who elected Congress to government twice in Punjab after 1984.

BJP in Gujarat, where no Muslim has been given a BJP ticket to contest in three Assembly and two Lok Sabha elections under Modi.

Please do not deviate or go OT. provide a logical response only.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 13 Oct 2013 23:10

How is making Sikhs as MLAs = making up for the crime?
Making up for the crime is punishing those who did the crimes and publicly apologizing.
Putting up Sikhs as MLAs = trying to win votes.
If local Sikhs think local Congress had nothing to do with riots and reelected it, then that does not prove Congress in Delhi etc was not culpable

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Oct 2013 01:13

Muppalla wrote:
Karan M wrote:Amazing pics Muppalla ji - ready to be shared.
Are these his personal security folks? See both NSG and others..
http://www.narendramodi.in/narendra-mod ... adashmi/He did shastra puja with police and security forces.

We have waited looooooooooooog for this conenction with Shastar, Shastra and Satya, Spiritual Sangam Signifying Soul and Strength of Soil As spoken by Swami Victory.
Moditatvam

(shudar)
Seudo Secular Andhkar Ka Dassa
Shastra Shastar Atam Parkasha
Khandit Adamb,Pratinind Aavasa
Malesh Kalesh Avadyti Naassa.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 14 Oct 2013 08:33

The "pehle shauchalaya phir devalaya" buzzword is also related to the eradication of the dehumanizing practice of manual scavengers and untouchability.
Of Toilets, Temples and Hindu Nationalism

That in a state like Gujarat which has been for long conservative there are now only less than 5000 persons associated with manual scavenging is actually a welcome sign. After all, after decades of progressive leftist rule in West Bengal the 2011 census data reveals that there are 1,30,000 manual scavengers and in that Islamic paradise Kashmir, despite its small size, there are 1,78,000 manual scavengers.

Gujarat, with a population of 55 million, has had a poor track record with 20 per cent rural sanitation coverage (NFHS-3) four years ago. However, with consistent efforts made by the Government and the community, the situation is now starting to turn around. Out of 18,000 villages, 1,300 villages have already been declared open defecation free.

Associating spirituality with the sanitation has a long history in the Indic tradition. Upanishadic seers declared that every organic function is as divine as every other function. The highest cognitive function is as divine and in no way superior to the so-called lowly function of excretion. Subala Upanishad declares

Vak is adhyatma, that which is acted upon by vak is adhibhuta, and Agni is Adhidaivata. The nadis bind them. He who moves in vak, that which is acted upon by vak, Agni, the nadis, prana, vijnana, that akasa of the heart, and within all else- that is Atma. It is that which should be worshipped. It is without old age, death, fear, sorrow, or end…. The anus is adhyatma, the excreta is adhibhuta, and Mrtyu is adhidaivata. The nadis bind them. He who moves the anus, the excreta, Mrtyu, the nadis, prana, vijnana, ananda, the akas of the heart, and within all else – that is Atma. It is that which should be worshiped. It is without old age, death, fear, sorrow or end. (Khanda V)

It is in this context that we should also see the empowerment programme by Modi for Dalits. Section of Dalits, traditionally forced to perform manual scavenging, are now being trained to become temple priests. Interesting enough, the anti-Hindu leftists have as usual raised their voice against this scheme. The anti-Modi hate peddlers love to paint this as a conspiracy of upper caste Hindutva with their convoluted theoretical arguments. But the fact remains that the association of divinity with the so-called defiled professions, is a time tested method to remove the stigma and democratize the so-called defiled jobs. The one organization in India that has done stellar work for the sanitation workers and attempted to break the caste barriers in sanitation services has actually used religion the very same way as Modi has used, but long before Modi, to empower the Dalits.