Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct 2014

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Nov 2014 12:51

http://www.dawn.com/news/1142188/fresh- ... -bomb-site

Fresh explosives defused near Wagah bomb site

Security personnel conducted a search operation in the areas adjoining the Wagah border crossing near Lahore and recovered a large quantity of explosives and suicide vests which were defused, Rangers sources told Dawn.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 03 Nov 2014 13:05

Anujan wrote: 15 Kilos is the size of at least a big schoolbag. How is a backpaki roaming around with a schoolbag around him?

Wait for the ISPR spokesperson to claim that Pakistani backpacks are high density packed for superb explosive strength of 10X. I wonder how the Baki was lugging a 15kg vest over his shoulder without getting noticed. Given the extent of damage, I highly suspect this was a planted IED and not a soosai vest.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 03 Nov 2014 13:23

Calling it a soosai bombing helps.
An IED means that there was all sorts of failures to prevent this.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 03 Nov 2014 13:37

TIMES NOW ‏@timesnow 8m8 minutes ago

3 militant factions, including splinter groups of Taliban separately claim responsibility for suicide attack that took place at Wagah

TIMES NOW ‏@timesnow 4m4 minutes ago

Al-Qaeda affiliated militant group Jundullah, Jamaat-ul-Ahrar & the Mahar Mehsud respectively claim responsibility for the Wagah attack--PTI

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 03 Nov 2014 13:56

That link to Ajit Doval Talk in the previous page is something that every BR forumite should listen and internalize very carefully. It is probably one of the most important enunciation of what options are currently being pursued with regard to Pakistan.

For sheer clarity and objectivity of analysis, Shri Doval should be complimented. There are some glimpses of what is in the realm of possibilities if you pay attention to what is being said and what is left unsaid.

It should be saved up somewhere so that it can be referenced. SASTRA University has done a good service by making this available.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 03 Nov 2014 14:11

Even Hafeez Suar has listened to it very carefully.

OAN

Wagah suicide attack toll rises to 61

The Wagah bomber has reaped one of the most bountiful harvests of all times. I have no sympathy for these pigs who chant anti India slogans. Congrats to the TTP

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Nov 2014 14:20

RCase wrote:
Anujan wrote: 15 Kilos is the size of at least a big schoolbag. How is a backpaki roaming around with a schoolbag around him?
Wait for the ISPR spokesperson to claim that Pakistani backpacks are high density packed for superb explosive strength of 10X. I wonder how the Baki was lugging a 15kg vest over his shoulder without getting noticed. Given the extent of damage, I highly suspect this was a planted IED and not a soosai vest.

It's got to be rdx.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 03 Nov 2014 14:22

I'm sure that if the state of Pakistan - with absolute finality - stops supporting terrorists, dividing them into good and bad, and facilitating the terrorist slaughter of people in other countries, this kind of bombing will come to a gradual halt. If you breed scorpions, and let them have the run of your house, and their numbers increase, sooner or later you will get bitten, and bitten regularly. It is tragic to see what the state of Pakistan, the army in particular, has done to the country over which it commandeered overlordship.

member_28714 · Post by **member_28714** » 03 Nov 2014 14:38

JE Menon wrote:I'm sure that if the state of Pakistan - with absolute finality - stops supporting terrorists, dividing them into good and bad, and facilitating the terrorist slaughter of people in other countries, this kind of bombing will come to a gradual halt. If you breed scorpions, and let them have the run of your house, and their numbers increase, sooner or later you will get bitten, and bitten regularly. It is tragic to see what the state of Pakistan, the army in particular, has done to the country over which it commandeered overlordship.

Thats soft! What happenned?

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 03 Nov 2014 14:41

gandharva wrote:

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 03 Nov 2014 14:47

Folks are having too much fun here... time to inject a dose of tauba^2

NSFW, btw...

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 03 Nov 2014 15:24

Anujan wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1142188/fresh- ... -bomb-site

Fresh explosives defused near Wagah bomb site

Security personnel conducted a search operation in the areas adjoining the Wagah border crossing near Lahore and recovered a large quantity of explosives and suicide vests which were defused, Rangers sources told Dawn.

Damn, I had stocked up on Beer and popcorn

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 03 Nov 2014 15:34

Quite frankly, feel sorry for those folks, I am happy when SSG, uniformed Jihadis, the Haffeez Syed, and such die.

williams · Post by **williams** » 03 Nov 2014 16:09

I listened to Doval Shahib's speech. Key strategy that every Indian should think about is quoted around 58.27 "You can do one Mumbai, you may loose Baluchistan. There is no nuclear war involved in that... If you know the tricks we know the tricks better.." India is in the safest hands now!

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 03 Nov 2014 16:30

The question is why wagah border?

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 03 Nov 2014 16:47

Dilbu wrote:The question is why wagah border?

Large gathering of Rangers.

Rajagopal · Post by **Rajagopal** » 03 Nov 2014 16:58

Dilbu wrote:The question is why wagah border?

The better question is, why this drama-baazi ceremony at the wagah border?

I cannot fathom why and for what purpose is this elaborate, meaningless ritual called "flag ceremony" being held at this border. All this does is pander to the self-importance of Pakistanis who of-course have nothing else to feel proud about in their miserable lives other than the feeling of standing up to a country million times better and superior. who gives them this opportunity? The govt of India!!

I say, bloody cancel this stupid ceremony and see how the Pakistanis go bawling about "unbearable" loss to their H & D. It will demolish all their castles-in-the-air in one single sweep.

where is the petition to cancel this ceremony?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Nov 2014 17:01

Dilbu wrote:The question is why wagah border?

I suspect that it is a symbol that boasts of the Pakistan army's greatness and attracts people on the lines that the Pakistan army favors - i.e. that they (the army) are the true heroic protectors of Pakistan.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 03 Nov 2014 17:14

We notice that Bakistani are taking Wagah very seriously. There is a park, canteen,shop,Logistic cell and special parade area. On Indian side however it is narrow tight alley surrounded by fields.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 03 Nov 2014 17:19

CRamS wrote:rshindeJi, funny alright, but in poor taste. I like the tweet, succinct sarcasm on TSP and its 3.5 propaganda that TSP is a victim of terror just like India.

Exactly for whose benefit is the insistence on good taste and pretending to give a damn about 50 dead Pakistanis?

Is it to impress Pakistanis? Can't be, because, well they are pakis.

Is it to impress the world minus Pakistan? May be, but the world doesn't care how gentlemanly we are being.

That leaves "conscience" or impressing oneself. Here we may be well advised to remember that this is war, and if we engage in it, then no one gets out of it without a coarsening of the soul, that is to say, abandonment of good taste. You can't both have good taste and participate in war. Hypocrites make very poor warriors.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 03 Nov 2014 17:26

ramana wrote:Pak army is being shown up for the wusses they are. Soon they will be disbanded and the jihadis take overr.

Not enough having jihad-e-fistula as a motto when they face real jihadis who are more dominant.

I have a thought about the kabila concept. One thing that can happen when an army is defeated by an external enemy is that the defeated soldiers will turn inwards and engage in factional fighting, preying on civilians, and so on, generally contributing to the total demise of social and political order and undermining the ability of the state to wage any sort of organized warfare.

Questions are: is the kabila somehow immune to this phenomenon? If India simply stands tough and refuses to be ghazwa-ed, can that lead to kabila breaking up into factions, e.g., TSPA, TTP, J[a|u]ndullah etc.? If so, what can be done to encourage this process (besides refusing to get ghazwa-ed)?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Nov 2014 17:40

There is an interesting point being made in yawn

Wagah attack

However, while ordinary civilians often end up as victims because they happen to be near the venue, yesterday’s suicide attack raises the possibility of those who had come to watch the ceremony being deliberately targeted because of their perceived support for the security forces.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Nov 2014 18:32

Brad Goodman wrote:There is an interesting point being made in yawn

Wagah attack

However, while ordinary civilians often end up as victims because they happen to be near the venue, yesterday’s suicide attack raises the possibility of those who had come to watch the ceremony being deliberately targeted because of their perceived support for the security forces.

Precisely what I thought (and said, above)

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Nov 2014 18:35

Five tortured bodies found in Karachi's Manghopir

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 03 Nov 2014 18:35

Wagah attack: Terror moves eastward - Michael Kugelman

There's something ominous about the location of Sunday night's horrific suicide attack in Wagah.

The tragedy may portend a geographic shift in South Asian militancy – one that lurches eastward from the Afghanistan/Pakistan border regions to the Pakistan-India frontier, and into India.

With foreign troops leaving Afghanistan, numerous militants fighting foreign forces in that country – such as Lashkar-e-Taiba – will be in search of a new target. Redirecting their attention to India is a logical next step.

Additionally, this year has marked the re-emergence of various anti-India militant leaders – figures that had been relatively quiet in recent years.

Take Masood Azhar of Jaish-e-Mohammed, whose voice was heard in a recording broadcast at an anti-India rally earlier this year. His sudden reappearance points to the possibility that he and his like-minded extremists could be preparing for a new campaign.

More recently, al Qaeda announced a new South Asia affiliate. It claims it wants to establish a presence throughout the broader region, including Bangladesh and Burma.

But let's face it: India is likely the biggest target.

The new affiliate's leader, Asim Umar, has long been an al Qaeda propagandist (he also had an affiliation with the Pakistani Taliban), and his diatribes often fixate on India. Umar has often invited Indian Muslims to mobilise for jihad.

"How can you remain in your slumber when the Muslims of the world are awakening?" he has demanded of them.

It's doubtful al Qaeda Central launched this new faction as a response to the Islamic State's outreach in the region (South Asia, with its various al Qaeda-aligned militants, is an unlikely spot for Islamic State to gain major ground).

Instead, al Qaeda – which reportedly has sought this new affiliate for several years, before Islamic State had become what it is today – simply wants to strengthen its presence in a part of the world where it believes it has lost influence in recent years. And with Asim Umar at the helm, this means that India will figure prominently in this plan.

To be sure, militancy will not be leaving Afghanistan anytime soon. The withdrawal of foreign troops will create security vacuums that strengthen jihadists there.

Additionally, if the pronouncements of their leaders and spokespersons are to be believed, various Pakistani militant groups – from Lashkar-e-Jhangvi to Pakistani Taliban factions – claim they will be marching into Afghanistan to join in the Afghan Taliban's fight.

And of course, to state the obvious, militancy will certainly not be leaving Pakistan anytime soon.

The country's security situation had been deceptively calm in recent months since the military launched its offensive in North Waziristan.

Still, so long as ties with all militant groups are not severed, militancy will not end. It's as simple as that. It's telling that, as of this writing, most, if not all, of the groups claiming responsibility for the Wagah attack have staged or attempted attacks in Pakistan during the relatively quiet last few months.

Additionally, arguably the sole target of the North Waziristan offensive, the Pakistani Taliban, is rapidly fracturing – thereby setting the stage for new and possibly more ferocious sources of anti-state terror.

The upshot?

Extremist violence will continue unabated on both sides of the Durand Line. Yet, it could soon enjoy a new renaissance on both sides of the Line of Control as well.

And unfortunately, it's the innocents who will suffer the most, such as those Pakistanis in Wagah on Sunday night.

Cheers

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Nov 2014 18:36

shiv wrote:Precisely what I thought (and said, above)

Shiv ji as always you are well ahead of the curve.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 03 Nov 2014 18:38

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/ ... ocialMedia

21 arrested after Wagah blast as toll mounts to 61; high alert sounded in Pakistan

“A joint investigation team of police, rangers and intelligence agencies have started its probe into the incident. The army and rangers along with police will provide security to Muharram processions in Lahore and they have been put on high alert in the wake of Sunday’s attack,” he said.

They also arrested a suspected suicide-bomber from Multan district, some 350 kilometres from Lahore.

The Lahore police yesterday issued a sketch of 17-year-old Abdul Rehman who had gone missing from a seminary in old city of Lahore for a month.

“The police along with an intelligence agency have raided a house in Multan district and arrested Abdul Rehman,” Naqvi said, adding Rehman has been shifted to unknown place for interrogation.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 03 Nov 2014 18:43

George wrote:
JE Menon wrote:I'm sure that if the state of Pakistan - with absolute finality - stops supporting terrorists, dividing them into good and bad, and facilitating the terrorist slaughter of people in other countries, this kind of bombing will come to a gradual halt. If you breed scorpions, and let them have the run of your house, and their numbers increase, sooner or later you will get bitten, and bitten regularly. It is tragic to see what the state of Pakistan, the army in particular, has done to the country over which it commandeered overlordship.
Thats soft! What happenned?

Please to read bolded again only macha.

member_28714 · Post by **member_28714** » 03 Nov 2014 18:49

JE Menon wrote:
George wrote:
Thats soft! What happenned?
Please to read bolded again only macha.

Aah,

Was wondering if you just went total aman there for a moment.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Nov 2014 18:51

Brad Goodman wrote:
shiv wrote:Precisely what I thought (and said, above)
Shiv ji as always you are well ahead of the curve.

..and round the bend. Raving loony

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Nov 2014 18:54

Peregrine wrote:Wagah attack: Terror moves eastward - Michael Kugelman

There's something ominous about the location of Sunday night's horrific suicide attack in Wagah.

The tragedy may portend a geographic shift in South Asian militancy – one that lurches eastward from the Afghanistan/Pakistan border regions to the Pakistan-India frontier, and into India.

With foreign troops leaving Afghanistan, numerous militants fighting foreign forces in that country – such as Lashkar-e-Taiba – will be in search of a new target. Redirecting their attention to India is a logical next step.

Ohhhh!

I'm so worried. Terrorists from Pakistan have never ever targeted India before. This is terrible - this busness of terror moving eastwards. India has been spared of terror all these years and we have been sirring pretty. And now - with the attack on Wagah it has arrived.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Nov 2014 19:23

shiv wrote:
Dilbu wrote:The question is why wagah border?
I suspect that it is a symbol that boasts of the Pakistan army's greatness and attracts people on the lines that the Pakistan army favors - i.e. that they (the army) are the true heroic protectors of Pakistan.

Shame on India for not participating fully in this effort to educate all visitors to Pakistan (visitors FROM Pakistan prefer to use the rest of the IB and LOC) about the greatness of the Paki Almy.

See? Real Pakistanis CARE. Instead of the Diwali sweets that the IA offered to the Pakis, the Paki fan club of the PA provided full-scale fireworks.

The Indian side should have a Memorial and a wall with the names and pictures of everyone who has been murdered or raped or tortured by the Pakistan Army. If the wall extends all the way from Karachi to Muzzafarabad, that's OK.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 03 Nov 2014 19:27

Guys, when I read pee-pee-see and other sundry reports making this out to be an India TSP thing. Is it just because of the geographic proximity, and I am reading too much into the equal equal part, or is there something to it?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Nov 2014 19:58

CRamS wrote:Guys, when I read pee-pee-see and other sundry reports making this out to be an India TSP thing. Is it just because of the geographic proximity, and I am reading too much into the equal equal part, or is there something to it?

This morning's Deccan Herald had a front page headline that did not specify "Pakistan" while saying 60 killed in Wagah explosion. When Indian media write like this why blame the BBC? Even Indians seem to think the attack is almost on India.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 03 Nov 2014 19:59

Karan Pappad on his show right now: Is it time for India to accept that Pakistan is a victim of terror too

Jyoti Malhotra, Sushant Sarin and Ajay Sahni participants

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 03 Nov 2014 20:00

CRSji,
please bear with me on this unsolicited advice.You should ignore ppc,nyt,e-con-omist farticles on india/pakhanastan for your good health.

What else can you expect from pee pee cee when more than 50 abduls have reached jannat?The ch&^yas cannot bring india here, one would think.Then a gora 'brainwave' that wagha is on the border and now india 'shares something of the ignominy' in the world imagined in gora illusions.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Nov 2014 20:09

I am sure they are desperately hoping that the next one occurs in India. Hides their own inefficiencies in dealing with pigs in their backyard.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 03 Nov 2014 20:13

A section of Pakistanis are victims of terror: non-Muslims, Shias...

Pakistan is not.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 03 Nov 2014 20:19

More importantly : Who or What is Bakistan? I think they are the people who consider themselves NOT India, and they are ok paying any price for it. It is a status symbol onleeee

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 03 Nov 2014 20:41

A_Gupta wrote:Ajit Doval, this section should be listened to for about 10-12 minutes.
http://youtu.be/DuSNC7qZwi0?t=42m30s
His take on how the British perceived various Muslim strategic threats, and their strategic response is very interesting.
The British had the first jihadis fight against Ranjit Singh and get routed. The British answered the highly nationalist Deoband madrassa with Sir Sayyid Ahmed and the Aligarh Muslim University. (He says it is the product of the Aligarh Muslim University that created Pakistan.) He says strengthen nationalist political Islam that is under siege from the Wahhabs and such. "We have to counter the political Islam of the jihadis with the political Islam of the nationalists".

A_Gupta ji, Thank you for posting this most interesting lecture. Goes without saying, Shri Ajit Doval deserves all the respect for his knowledge and his numerous services to the country.

But, in my opinion, bifurcating Islam into (1) political but anti-Indian and (2) fundamentalist but nationalist as suggested by Shri Doval-ji does not go far enough. This is similar to Pak's theoretical division of Taliban into "Good" Taliban and "Bad" Taliban. As seen in Pakistan, the two can easily merge into each other or transform from one to the other at a moment's notice. For what ostensible reason? For propagating Islam and Islamic rule. The ultimate objective for both "political" and "nationalist," Islam as Shri Doval-ji calls them, is the complete imposition of Islam in the Indian sub-continent and annihilation of any remnants of native Indian traditions. This of course is guided by Islamic teachings, that are the ultimate source of inspiration for all Muslims all over the world. Thus, irrespective of whether SIMI is a "Bad" Islamic organization or Deobandis (the name shows what they believe in) are "Good" Islamics according to Shri Doval-ji, both are ultimately antithetical to Indian culture and values. Thus, in my view, the fundamental question that no one is considering (at least in public) is how to eradicate the Malsi software from the subcontinental people's minds. Till the time the software exits in one form or the other, terrorism will remain entrenched and Indian subcontinental people will continue to suffer. All IMHO.