Delhi Case Follow-up thread

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 14 Mar 2015 18:09

In Great Britain, Powerful Pedophiles are Seemingly Everywhere and Totally Above the Law (From: libertyblitzkrieg)

A newspaper editor was handed startling evidence that Britain’s top law enforcement official knew there was a VIP pedophile network in Westminster, at the heart of the British government. What happened next in the summer of 1984 helps to explain how shocking allegations of rape and murder against some of the country’s most powerful men went unchecked for decades.

Less than 24 hours after starting to inquire about the dossier presented to him by a senior Labour Party politician, the editor was confronted in his office by a furious member of parliament who threatened him and demanded the documents. “He was frothing at the mouth and really shouting and spitting in my face,” Don Hale told The Daily Beast. “He was straight at me like a raging lion; he was ready to knock me through the wall.”

Despite the MP’s explosive intervention, Hale refused to hand over the papers which appeared to show that Leon Brittan, Margaret Thatcher’s Home Secretary, was fully aware of a pedophile network that included top politicians.

The editor’s resistance was futile; the following morning, police officers from the counter-terror and intelligence unit known as Special Branch burst into the newspaper office, seized the material and threatened to have Hale arrested if he ever reported what had been found.
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UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 14 Mar 2015 19:08

krisna wrote:
Gus wrote:today in real time with bill maher - couple of women came and talked about campus rapes...apparently the sexual assault is close to 1 in 5...i knew it was bad..not this shocking bad.
It is well known but they treat as lee and order sort of stuff. Keep it like that.
Woman's problem only for pesky countries like India who are not their type.

To go with these fine sentiments, could the herrows hiyar pls go and give Harvinder a hand? A thumbs-up?

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 14 Mar 2015 19:31

Xpost

Police Cover-up of Child Sex Abuse in Sheffield 'Bigger Than Rotherham'

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/03 ... rotherham/

South Yorkshire Police has covered up abuse on a “massive” scale in the former industrial city turned multicultural melting-pot, a retired veteran police officer has claimed, remarking in an interview the abuse was “bigger than Rotherham”.

The revelation by the former officer, who served for thirty years, could be yet another in a long line of emerging child sex scandals in predominantly northern English cities with sizeable Pakistani populations. It is not the first such revelation for South Yorkshire Police, who also failed to detect and prosecute criminal abuse in the city of Rotherham, where 1,400 known girls were trafficked and raped by a network of criminals using take-away shops and minicab firms to enable their activities.

A Sheffield city council employee tasked with tracking child sex abuse has claimed almost 700 children were referred to the police in just two years, but not a single prosecution was made on the back of the information passed to the police.

Retired constable Tony Brooks has come forward with the allegations, and has said South Yorkshire Police have long known that girls as young as twelve – putting them into the most serious category of sex abuse – were being raped, but chose not to act on the information they had, effectively creating a cover-up. Claiming 200 girls were reported to have been abused in just a three year period in the city, he told the BBC “The size of the exploitation was massive in Sheffield.

“We offered to form a unit to continue the work – we offered to advertise our work so girls would come forward. We were told, ‘it’s not going to happen, return to your districts.”

“He said to me, ‘go and spend an hour or two with each girl and find out what’s happened to them and tell them there’s not enough evidence to go on”. The officer refused to follow the order.

Police analyst Gary Birchall, who also spoke to the BBC, expressed his disbelief after he learnt of the extent of the cover-up. He was asked as part of his work to look into a special operation run by the South Yorkshire Police, and paid for by Sheffield city council which was tasked with looking into child sex abuse. He found that despite it having been specifically requested and funded to the tune of £50,000, the operation had been shelved almost immediately with officers reassigned to other work.

He requested a “full investigation” into the failure, but his call went unheeded. Speaking on the matter, he said: “I got a call telling me the operation’s been shelved. I said it can’t be shelved, there’s evidence here that children are being trafficked, being sexually abused. There isn’t a superlative that describes how I felt then or how I feel now. Utter, utter, disbelief.”

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 14 Mar 2015 22:04

Thanks! Posted.

member_28988 · Post by **member_28988** » 14 Mar 2015 22:28

Hi .. Friends i don't know if it's posted earlier here look at what we have found

The Guardian Report - November 2013 - Much Before - this Documentary kaand.

'I am a student, I'm not a killer': One of four men accused of a brutal gang-rape and murder that shocked India protests his innocence

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 35606.html

Vinay Sharma’s left arm was in a sling, and blood seeped from a bandage wrapped around his head.

“It happened when I went for lunch,” he told The Independent this week. “Somebody attacked me from behind with a blade... another prisoner. It’s very important news for you.”

The slightly-built, one-time gym instructor is one of four men who were sentenced to death in September after being convicted of the brutal gang-rape and murder of a Delhi student. Yet he continues to protest his innocence.

It has been almost a year since the attack on the 23-year-old physiotherapy student and her male friend, Awindra Pandey, who was powerless to help her as she was set upon when they boarded a private bus after an evening at the cinema watching Life of Pi.

She was brutally gang-raped and tortured with a metal bar for hours before being dumped almost naked on the road side. Mr Pandey recovered from his injuries, but the young woman died two weeks later in a hospital in Singapore, where she had been sent for specialist emergency treatment.

Details of the savage attack sent shockwaves around the world, and prompted mass protests in favour of expanding rights and protection for women. Within days, police said they had arrested four of the six suspects in the case, based on evidence from closed-circuit surveillance cameras. There was widespread approval in India when the men were sentenced to be hanged.

Large parts of the trial – which took place in a courtroom just yards from the shopping centre where the victims had watched the film that night – had been closed to the media, particularly the foreign press. Whenever the defendants were rushed into the court building, their heads were covered with scarves.

Earlier this week, however, as their lawyers began appealing against their conviction, the prisoners were brought to appear before the court with just a fraction of the security that had been present at their trial.

On this occasion they were not even handcuffed to the police officers – simply made to hold hands. Whereas the conclusion of their trial had attracted a huge media scrum, this week, there were just a couple of reporters present.

What was to be learned from looking at these men? Pawan Gupta, a fruit seller, was dressed in a blue shirt; Akshay Kumar Singh, who had cleaned buses, was wearing an orange checked shirt; Mukesh Singh’s face was obscured by a beard and he wore a baseball cap, and Sharma, seated one row in front of his co-defendants, held up his injuries to show to the court.

Though convicted of a notorious crime, the men themselves appeared unremarkable, unworthy of a second glance if you saw them sitting on a train, or indeed, on a bus. Mukesh Singh’s parents had come to court to see him. They stood confused, watching from the sidelines, before being led out of the court room.

With the exception of Sharma, the other men seemed largely uninterested with what was happening. “Two officers beat me,” he said, addressing his comments to the judge, Ms Reva Khetrapal.

Soon the men were led away and AP Singh, a lawyer, started his defence. He represented Sharma and Akshay Kumar Singh, but he said the evidence he intended to bring would also provide an alibi for Gupta. At the time of the trial, AP Singh said the two men were not present on the bus and played no part in the attack. “They were expecting to be found guilty even though they are not,” he said. According to the Press Trust of India, Gupta, said in December last year: “I accept I am guilty, I should be hanged.”

The prosecution had said earlier that the death penalty was necessary in this case to send a message to Indian women that they were safe.

Members of the Karnataka State Youth Congress, some of them wearing masks of the four convicted rapists, enact a mock execution (Getty) Members of the Karnataka State Youth Congress, some of them wearing masks of the four convicted rapists, enact a mock execution (Getty)
VK Anand, the lawyer for Mukesh Singh, will begin his arguments later this week. At the time of the trial, he said his client had been driving the bus but that he had not been involved in the attack itself. “His role was very limited,” claimed the lawyer. “He had a certain role, a very limited role in the case.”

The defence arguments continued inside. Outside, seated on a bench, awaiting their ride back to Delhi’s Tihar jail, were the four convicted men with their police escorts. It was here that Sharma made a series of dramatic outbursts in reasonable, if imperfect, English.

“I feel very guilty. But I was not involved [in the attack]. I was at a musical event,” he told The Independent, echoing a line his lawyer had told the judge.

“I feel very guilty but I will show you, this is the Indian government. There was media pressure. I will tell you my true story: I am a student, I’m not a killer.”

The young woman’s entire future lay before her as she and her friend boarded that off-duty bus on their way home from the cinema. If he had not raped and assaulted the young woman, then who had?

“I don’t know,” he replied. “I was not aboard the bus.”

One of the six males detained after the 16 December 2012 attack was 17 years old at the time, and was tried as a juvenile. Another, Ram Singh, brother of fellow defendant Mukesh Singh, was found hanging in his prison cell earlier this year.

Sharma claimed he had also been 17 years old, and was now 18. The court says he is 20 years old. He also said he had been offered money for his story from an unidentified British filmmaker and an Indian television news channel, which he did name. The managing editor of the channel adamantly denied that such an offer had been made.

After a few minutes, the police decided the impromptu interview had gone on long enough.

“I was not involved, this is the first time I have been involved with the police,” Sharma insisted, as he was called away by a senior officer. “How is it possible for me to kill that girl?”

Today, India’s Supreme Court accused the Delhi High Court of “rushing” the appeals process, and said it should not continue until the convicts had been given a Hindi translation of the judgment, and final evidence presented during the trial earlier this year.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Mar 2015 07:32

BBC goes to West Bengal

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 15 Mar 2015 07:43

One of the reasons for rapes in India to be getting so much press worldwide (inspite of overall rape statistics nowhere near as appalling as the US or Europe) - is that Indian media, including the top newspapers, devote so much attention to the most brutal of these acts - while similar incidents in the US are completely glossed over by the leading US papers.

Case in point, the news yesterday of a nun getting raped in W.Bengal during a decoity of a convent school.

It was reported by all the leading Indian newspapers. The rest of the world picked up the cue. And here we have the New York Times covering the matter: Nun Raped During Robbery at Convent School in India

However, there was probably an even more horrific rape in Pennsylvania in 2013 of a nun (who was much older to the one in India) by a white US male who morover had no other motive of dacoity....It was covered in some of the more offbeat news-sites in the US, for example this: Pennsylvania man brutally beats and rapes 85-year-old nun

But was there any coverage from the New York Times of this horrific incident in a state just next door to New York ? I did not come across any article in the NY Times...would request BRFites to see if they can dig up anything. On the other hand - this rag has been free in highlighting the rape of a nun half way across the world.

To assert that India has anything to learn from the West's disgustingly sick society is just perverse....

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Mar 2015 07:54

The tools in the US and UK are just pushing buttons with these news reports -- best thing to do is to ignore it. Let's face it, there are more humans by a factor of 3-4 in Asia than the EU and US combined so we'll see who has the last laught, shall we?

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Mar 2015 08:28

they have been trying to tarnish India's social indices on some pretext or another for quite some time now. This is specifically to retaliate against Indian IT and hospitality services sector and bodyshopping. Putting Indian males into 'rapist' and 'casteist' category suits this purpose just fine.

I believe Udwin may have just taken a documentary to BBC and then BBC did it's own extrapolations into it like '**the rapist is a mirror to Indian males who are overwhelmingly sexualized and potential rapists**. This I believe was BBC's own extrapolations and added at it's insistence and obviously Udwin didn't have any issue with it, what does she lose.

Also western media have a terrible guilt-complex about their sociopathic and pedophilic tendencies that run rampant amongst english elite.
And as a result they try to comfort themselves saying others are worse than us. And others have to be peers and not some socialist republic. So India comes right in the radar and a rather low-juicy target since whatever is said about it is never completely refutable.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Mar 2015 08:32

The easiest way to retaliate is to spread the word that every white guy who comes to India most likely a pedophile, especially Americans and Englishmen -- that should square the circle nicely. Not that the self-loathing anglophile turds in the Indian english media would dare print such things (and lose their "relationships" with white people they know).

member_26011 · Post by **member_26011** » 15 Mar 2015 08:34

I think it is necessary to monitor local news county by county to report on the horror that unfolds in the poodle-eu-US, at least more of it, maintaining a searchable repository for rapid response as stories develop. The good news, if we can call it that, is that there is no dearth of news were it to be appropriately crowd sourced. Ignoring it is no longer imho feasible, but the alternative does not imply getting riled up.

Public opinion, such as it is, is powerful. It creates the legitimacy for, ah that favorite expression, "any misadventure" out of the inner Pakistaniyat of Khan or poodle. The uptick in the,"rape" reports are clear as daylight, and the approach simple: in the name of freedom, all those who can be disenchanfrised from the "other", the target, must. No ignoring that war underway can help, imho.

The answer is to hold up the mirror now, through many voices, rather than have this end up in a sanctions goal in the not so distant future. There should be funding from the Indian govt for this to hire people to collect troves of data, releasing it into to the public domain in various ways. For example, to create a 501c3 in the US, A Daughter's Voice, to collect information on rape reporting on campuses and help spread peace through yoga, meditation and heritage studies...etc. can be done, must be done.

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Mar 2015 08:44

sanctions goal is not going to work in future with Chinese and Russians having parallel economic payment system with non-dollar currencies, so this is another legacy effort at trying to reduce India's visibility in west and take it down a notch or two so that the services & IT sector doesn't get too big on it's own. Also India has a natural appeal to all manner of western population segment which needs to be countered on regular basis.

Also Indian elite are not overwhelmingly pedophilic, beause pedophilia is a construct of freemasonry rituals which gives it acceptance in western societies. Having sexual control over a child is akin to sacrificing an animal and believed to have occult benefits. This has creeped down from elites to almost commons now thinking this is something they can get away with.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Mar 2015 08:48

Not sure how the freemasons are involved in the rampancy of pedophilia in USA and UK -- seems more to do with religious christian lore viewing sex as unnatural and guilt-ridden that creates the commonly found caucasian pedophile mindset, which is exacerbated when these people are part of the christian clergy indicating that the religion has something to do with it. Seems more likely than some secret handshake society that may or may not wield world-changing influence as widely rumoured.... But don't want to go OT.

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Mar 2015 08:56

there is a mutual benefit society which is what keeps the elite pedophiles out of prison and in front of the bars and not behind. Check out how BBC covered up pedophilia by Jimmy Saville well after he was dead. Don't get too defensive, and keep all the options open.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Mar 2015 08:59

BBC covering up Pedophilia is just the Brishit peoples hiding the pustulent wart on their civilizational groin, so that they can pretend to be desirable divas and not the syphilitic streetwalkers they are as a nation. As other news items were posted on the thread, he is not the only pedophile to be protected by the BBC and the Brishit government. I wouldn't blame british and american perversions on secret societies that allegedly rule the world just yet.

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Mar 2015 09:25

in the same breath, I wouldn't tar 'Christian clergy' and religion to have anything to do with this deviancy just yet. Yes the Catholic clergy do have issues but then there is also an intersection between west-based clergy and some the mutual benefit societies.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Mar 2015 09:58

Meanwhile, in another place, another time, ...

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Mar 2015 10:52

in the same breath, I wouldn't tar 'Christian clergy' and religion to have anything to do with this deviancy just yet. Yes the Catholic clergy do have issues but then there is also an intersection between west-based clergy and some the mutual benefit societies.

Getting touchy are we? Look, I am just making generalizations in the same vein as all the tools in USA and UK, is that so frigging hard to comprehend, given the current context? Absolutely no need to get all righteous about how all christians are not to blame but the freemasons and the martians are at fault, etc.. Sheesh. Let's just move on. Indians are not going to playing psychological mind games with anyone just yet...more likely to their moral and logical underwear in a twist and play self-spy-ops instead.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Mar 2015 10:58

According to Loh the fraternity has even gone as far as to request “educational training on diversity and respect for the entire fraternity,” which he says the university will provide.

Haha. Fat lot of good that is going to do -- the racist frat boys have preempted any action (With advice from lawyers surely) by the university by requesting this farce called "educational training on diversity"...yes, that should completely make these racists all gentle and civilized.

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Mar 2015 11:09

X Posted from the STFUP thread, more BBC antics.

Reminds me of Jeremy Clarkson, the in the news presenter of BBC Program Top Gear for getting into a fracas with his BBC producer, comment that “The problem is that television executives have got it into their heads that if one presenter on a show is a blonde-haired, blue-eyed heterosexual boy, the other must be a black Muslim lesbian.”

BBC’s quest to promote Mohammadden views runs into trouble as an enterprising Mohammadden man with roots in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan passes himself off as a former Test Cricket player and gets paid by the BBC for expert comments, gets caught for being an impostor:

BBC apologises after Manchester man claiming to be former Pakistan cricketer appears as regular pundit : Nadeem Alam, from Hulme, repeatedly posed as former batsman Nadeem Abbasi and was paid to appear on BBC World News, BBC Asian Network and Radio Five Live

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Mar 2015 12:15

Tuvaluan wrote:Let's just move on. Indians are not going to playing psychological mind games with anyone just yet...more likely to their moral and logical underwear in a twist and play self-spy-ops instead.

Similar to some Indians getting in a twist about mutual-benefit societies. And flinging away the underwear itself that someone's just let out to hang dry ? Very clearly some Indians, appropriate for themselves a different yardstick for psy-ops than others. Just like some Indians have swallowed the western psy-ops hook, line & sinker and have taken in the comedy coverup for western shenanigans, it doesn't mean mutual-benefit societies doesn't exist.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 15 Mar 2015 16:50

Why to blacken India on rape do they have to omit the facts?

If there is a cultural problem here, it is the longstanding desire of the Western media to stereotype Indian males as sexual predators

By Christopher Booker

A huge row has erupted in India over India’s Daughter, a film made by the BBC on the gang-rape and murder of a young medical student on a Delhi bus in November 2012. What aroused particular anger was how the film, designed to be shown in seven countries to mark International Women’s Day, seemed to want to portray India as the rape capital of the world, with its headline claim that the country has “a rape every 22 minutes”.

But what has also come to light is that when the film was privately previewed in Delhi, its original version included evidence that in many countries in the West the incidence of rape is actually much greater. In Britain, the official Crime Survey for England and Wales 2014 estimated that there are 85,000 rapes every year, or one every six minutes. Equivalent US figures suggest that 1 per cent of all women are sexually assaulted each year, one every 25 seconds.

Those who saw the preview of India’s Daughter in Delhi have testified that the original version did make comparisons with the rest of the world. One, Anna Vetticad, praised it as a “balanced documentary”, because it ended with “worldwide statistics highlighting violence against women from Australia to the US”. But when the final version emerged, all this had been cut out. India was shown standing alone, as a country where rape is an exceptional problem.

What also led the Indian courts to ban showing the film was its portrayal of a country where violence towards women is part of its national culture. Particularly controversial was its prison cell interview with the bus driver, waiting on death row for the outcome of his appeal to India’s Supreme Court. He showed no remorse for the woman he had helped to rape and murder. He suggested that she had brought this on herself by travelling on a bus late at night. But again this picture of India as having a peculiar cultural problem over its acceptance of gang-rape is belied by the statistics. According to UK and US figures, 14 per cent of rapes are by strangers. In India the figure is less than 1 per cent.

Back in 2012, when that Delhi crime first attracted worldwide coverage, I looked into many horrific stories of gang-rape reported in Britain. According to the Metropolitan Police, more than 15 per cent of rapes reported in London each year involve three or more attackers. In one Essex case, the rapists of a 16-year-old girl poured acid over her in an attempt to destroy the evidence of their crime. We scarcely need reminding of recent revelations about what was going on in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford and elsewhere.

If there is a cultural problem here, it is the longstanding desire of the Western media to stereotype Indian males as somehow, to a special degree, sexual predators. Back in 1984, Western screens showed the TV series Jewel in the Crown and the film A Passage to India, both featuring rapes by Indian men of white women (although one was imaginary). More recently no films about India have been more popular in the West than Slumdog Millionaire and Monsoon Wedding, again featuring rapes, although this time by Indian men of Indian women.

As for the BBC’s latest effort at reinforcing this stereotype, there is already evidence that it has done damage to the image of India in the West, such as the much-publicised case of the Leipzig professor who barred an Indian student from an internship on the grounds that “we hear a lot about the rape problem in India, which I cannot support”. Female professors in Germany are reported as refusing to teach Indian male students for similar reasons. But the question the BBC has to answer is why did it so deliberately omit the evidence from the final version of that film, which might have given its worldwide audience such a different picture? It seems that, across the board, it now takes its right to distort evidence so much for granted that it no longer has the ability to recognise what damage this is doing.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Mar 2015 18:41

Yindoos as usual getting undies in a knot. Ain't no judge in Dilli that is going to be swayed by such "arguments' or he will be swaying from a lamppost by Hizzoner. AFAIK, all these scumbags got convicted by the FastTrack Court and are now just waiting for the lamppost to become free, hain? Is the Prejident going to "maaphee" them? C above re: lamppost too.

Mewnwhile, I tend to agree that it is time for a full-scale debriefing and exposure of the BeeBeeSee and others like SeeEnnEnn.

Clery Act Data Site, courtesy GOTUS. Clery Act was passed following campaign triggered by rape-murder of U. Virginia student Ms. Clery.
That would be http://ope.ed.gov/Security/GetDownloadFile.aspx
The Campus Safety and Security Data Analysis Cutting Tool; Office of Post Secondary Education, Department of Education. 400% pucca guvrmand site.

Murders:
2011: 34
2012: 33
2013: 42

Code: Select all

Forcible Sex Offenses 2011-2013 (total)
2011: 4198	
2012: 4949
2013: 6016

A growth industry, clearly.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Mar 2015 19:09

Similar to some Indians getting in a twist about mutual-benefit societies.

Right, of course. Now you will have to excuse me -- someone from the illuminati is watching me through the TV screen.

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Mar 2015 19:26

No, that would be a baby-sitter.

member_26011 · Post by **member_26011** » 15 Mar 2015 19:34

This is a useful reference in motivating a response
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vnY6E9iEgPY

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Mar 2015 19:38

habal wrote:No, that would be a baby-sitter.

I am not interested in conspiracy theories that go against the basic principles of individual self-interests and group self-interests, and this "freemason" cr@p is one such CT, but you are clearly a strong believer, so knock yourself out and I am not stopping you. Networking exists because it benefits people in the network as long as everyone plays by the rules, so there are limits to how much members of the group will collude in matters that goes against individual self interest.

Regardless, my point is that ignorant generalizations are very easy to make to drive anyone on the defensive, there is enough fodder to do that to the jerks in the UK like Leslee Udwin and Richard Dawkins, with their fantastic colonial heritage, not to mention their violent religious history that has caused much death and destruction explicitly endorsed by their church. So the illuminati and freemasons had nothing to do with that bit of their history.

The article by Dr. Satya linked earlier is pretty good at explaining why Indians don't need to be on the defensive because of the racist rhetoric from a society that treats its women far worse even as it preaches to India. Rape statistics must be considered in proportion to the population, before the likes of Leslee Udwin can start throwing around accusations on all of India based on one rapist's statement.

What is truly disgusting and despicable about the likes of Leslee Udwin is how they have used the victims of violent crime *and* the criminals to paint their own prejudices as fact. Her movie has used the victim's family and misrepresented them for commercial benefit, even as they paid the criminal who committed the crime to come on camera. That is digging deep below the line of what can be considered ethical behavior.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Mar 2015 19:53

What is really needed is an anal-e-sys of the "XXX-tourism" to Thailand, SL and, yes, India, esp and sadly, Malloostan, Maharashtra and maybe Odisha.

How many tourists? Breakdown by gender and age and national origin. Would be VERY interesting, IMO. Also the number of arrests and who is getting arrested, though that is miniscule compared to the number of crimes.

Then get into the Mail-Order Bride Industry - from Vietnam (mostly stopped now), Thailand, Ukraine, Poland. To Britain, Australia, USA.
This, IMO, defines the Predator Industry and should define any precautionary generalizations. Needs to be WIDELY publicized. Start with James Bond...

I will leave it to the Faithful here to do the needed Namaz to Mullah Googlullah

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Mar 2015 19:55

The flip side of the coin are Indians who think they (and by implication every Indian) is responsible and must feel bad for the New Delhi Rape case, an example is this idiot: "Aseem Chabbra: Disturbed after watching #IndiasDaughter, But glad i watched it. This is India's shame, this is our shame, this is my shame-#DeathOfHumanity"

If that is the case, I am sure it is quite okay to blame an entire group for crimes of an individual....and this would include societies in the UK, USA and Leslee Udwin herself needs to be ashamed of every rape that occurs in the USA.

But we all know that responsibility for a crime falls on the individual who committed the crime, and "Indian society" is not the culprit here, but the violent juvenile and his friends who committed the crime -- what should be a matter of shame is the slow or non existent justice systems to prosecute and throw criminals in prison, unless the case is politically charged and gets high publicity as in this particular case in Delhi.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Mar 2015 20:18

Guys, let me ask you one thing. At the end of the day, are Indians alone not to blame for this Brit woman making hay along India's fault lines. I mean, who are the criminals in the previous Cong govt who in fact gave this despicanble woman the permission to come in and make this movie. And then you have equally demented Indians, like Shashi Tharoor, talking about "freedom of speech" garbage and how BJP is embarrassing India by the ban when you have bunch of white racists pissing on India. Why does this idiot get any space on media? I mean the bottom line is were she not allowed by Indians themselves to make this racist poison, there wouldn't have been all this fuss.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 15 Mar 2015 20:24

Leslee Udwin is basically irrelevant in the long term -- the govt. should basically keep the BBC/US-owned/caucasian TV channels out of Indian affairs if it can, knowing their penchant for racist mischief-mongering.

As for Shashi Tharoor, it is hard to see how a politician who was in a hurry to get his murdered wife cremated (and could not be more anxious to destroy forensic evidence ASAP) can be taken seriously when talks about women's rights etc., raising questions on his involvement in the crime, any more than a rapist can be taken seriously for his views on women.

Since law and order is a state subject and state-level politics is even more useless and unpredictable than national politics, I am not holding any hope that things will improve on the ground about improving the size and competence of the police force, and other essentials which are required to stop violent crimes in India. We are not there by a long shot.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 15 Mar 2015 20:37

>>Leslee Udwin is basically irrelevant in the long term -- the govt. should basically keep the BBC/US-owned/caucasian TV channels out of Indian affairs if it can, knowing their penchant for racist mischief-mongering.

agreed. that is teh crux of the issue. why are NYT and Guardian still allowed in India for instance?
BBC should have had its license to broadcast revoked in India after this disgraceful propaganda attempt.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Mar 2015 20:47

CRamS wrote:Guys, let me ask you one thing. At the end of the day, are Indians alone not to blame for this Brit woman making hay along India's fault lines. I mean, who are the criminals in the previous Cong govt who in fact gave this despicanble woman the permission to come in and make this movie. And then you have equally demented Indians, like Shashi Tharoor, talking about "freedom of speech" garbage and how BJP is embarrassing India by the ban when you have bunch of white racists pissing on India. Why does this idiot get any space on media? I mean the bottom line is were she not allowed by Indians themselves to make this racist poison, there wouldn't have been all this fuss.

The crux of he matter is UPA stalwarts who gave permission are not yet unmasked or questioned as to why they gave permission tot inmates on death row.

The crime occurred in Dec 2012.

Permission to film was given in July 2013.What were the MHA thinking?
The Minister couldnt have acted in isolation. What was the file notings by MHA officers?
Did the Tihar jailer object?
What was co-producer thinking when they applied for joint permission?
No use pretending to have objected just when the film is being released.

All his shows a general malaise and siloed thinking.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Mar 2015 20:56

X-post...

From UK Telegraph which shows the Udwin film shown is propaganda film and had two versions :One for officials to approve and anothter to show in West for propaganda film. Yet the woman claims to be honorable. And Pseculars defend her under freedom of expression when its a freedom to malign India. Throw that wife murderer Tharoor in Tihar.

Shonu wrote:Why to blacken India on rape do they have to omit the facts?

A huge row has erupted in India over India’s Daughter, a film made by the BBC on the gang-rape and murder of a young medical student on a Delhi bus in November 2012. What aroused particular anger was how the film, designed to be shown in seven countries to mark International Women’s Day, seemed to want to portray India as the rape capital of the world, with its headline claim that the country has “a rape every 22 minutes”.

But what has also come to light is that when the film was privately previewed in Delhi, its original version included evidence that in many countries in the West the incidence of rape is actually much greater. In Britain, the official Crime Survey for England and Wales 2014 estimated that there are 85,000 rapes every year, or one every six minutes. Equivalent US figures suggest that 1 per cent of all women are sexually assaulted each year, one every 25 seconds.

Those who saw the preview of India’s Daughter in Delhi have testified that the original version did make comparisons with the rest of the world. One, Anna Vetticad, praised it as a “balanced documentary”, because it ended with “worldwide statistics highlighting violence against women from Australia to the US”. But when the final version emerged, all this had been cut out. India was shown standing alone, as a country where rape is an exceptional problem.

What also led the Indian courts to ban showing the film was its portrayal of a country where violence towards women is part of its national culture.

Do people still want to defend Udwin and BBC here?
And Hillary Clinton promoting the film shows her agenda. Maybe she showed work on the fifty shades of disgrace in US.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 15 Mar 2015 21:06

ramana wrote:X-post...

From UK Telegraph which shows the Udwin film shown is propaganda film and had two versions :One for officials to approve and anothter to show in West for propaganda film. Yet the woman claims to be honorable. And Pseculars defend her under freedom of expression when its a freedom to malign India. Throw that wife murderer Tharoor in Tihar.

Why to blacken India on rape do they have to omit the facts?

Do people still want to defend Udwin and BBC here?
And Hillary Clinton promoting the film shows her agenda. Maybe she showed work on the fifty shades of disgrace in US.

Agenda is is larger for all western nations check - http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1812655

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Mar 2015 21:10

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... rists.html

Thought it was just men who flew abroad for squalid sexual kicks? Meet the middle-aged, middle-class women who are Britain's female sex tourists

By Julie Bindel

Published: 18:56 EST, 25 August 2013 | Updated: 11:52 EST, 26 August 2013

The stereotypical image of the sex tourist is a Western man who travels to Thailand or the Philippines to pay for sex with young women and even children. But in the past three decades the numbers of women travelling primarily for sex with local men is thought to have increased significantly.

The practice has become less stigmatised, and tour operators even add thinly veiled references to sex tourism for women as a marketing strategy. Racial difference plays a significant role in the female sex tourist experience (posed by model)

Phrases such as ‘fantasy island’ are bandied about, feeding off a mythology about male sexual prowess, perpetuated by the beach boys themselves because it’s good for business.

Middle-aged and older women with low self-esteem and a history of failed relationships are more likely to fall for the delusion. In the film Shirley Valentine, the central character travels to a Greek island craving love, attention and genuine emotional attachment.

The reality of sex tourism is very different. I have visited Negril.
American spring break students arrive between March and April, and Europeans and North Americans during the winter months. In 2008, an estimated 351,404 tourists came, making up approximately 20 per cent of Jamaica’s total. Since then, the numbers have continued to rise, according to the Jamaica Tourist Board.

I asked Clinton what he looked for in a woman and he told me: ‘I look for the milk bottles (white women who have obviously just arrived on the island).’ Most of the beach bars advertise cocktails with names that are well-used euphemisms for a large penis, such as ‘Big Bamboo’, ‘Dirty Banana’ and ‘Jamaican Steel’.
It was an unusual sight — women, some in their 70s, bumping and grinding with men young enough to be their grandsons and drinking Red Stripe beer out of cans.

‘I was sick of the men on offer back home,’ says Linda, when I speak to her on Skype, having made contact with her through the same social network on which I found Barbara. Linda is a Londoner who runs a pub with her daughter. She has a ‘string of failed relationships’ behind her.

One young man told me the white women he had sex with made him feel sick. ‘They stink, have rough skin and look like old dogs. No wonder they have to pay for a man’

Each year, as many as 600,000 women from Western countries are said to engage in sex tourism. The figures for men are thought to be many times greater.

(i didn't say these things, they did: I deleted the worse parts)

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 15 Mar 2015 21:14

The crux of he matter is UPA stalwarts who gave permission are not yet unmasked or questioned as to why they gave permission tot inmates on death row.

The crime occurred in Dec 2012.

Permission to film was given in July 2013.What were the MHA thinking?
The Minister couldnt have acted in isolation. What was the file notings by MHA officers?
Did the Tihar jailer object?
What was co-producer thinking when they applied for joint permission?
No use pretending to have objected just when the film is being released.

All his shows a general malaise and siloed thinking.

NDTV, the cat's paw of US State Deptt. in India, was involved in facilitating this documentary and one of its editors (Dibang) acted as a native collaborator. RPN Singh, Minister of State of Home in UPA government, the husband of NDTV editorial director Sonia Verma, pulled strings to get the permission, IIRC.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 15 Mar 2015 21:18

SanjayC wrote:
NDTV, the cat's paw of US State Deptt. in India, was involved in facilitating this documentary and one of its editors (Dibang) acted as a native collaborator. RPN Singh, Minister of State of Home in UPA government, the husband of NDTV editorial director Sonia Verma, pulled strings to get the permission, IIRC.

That means the US State Dept was inside the UPA govt and was feeding out of this govt.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Mar 2015 00:08

So why are Dibang and RPN singh no being questioned publicly about their role?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 16 Mar 2015 00:39

In all fairness, it is NOT any government's fault. When someone comes by and asks permission to interview someone in jail to make a documentary, I do not see that the government should even delay the request, they should approve it ASAP with the general dictum:

Better not stab us in the back: you said you are going to make a fair, unbiased, factual documentary with no commercial or incendiary agenda. The applicable laws are on this long list.

The government properly intervened only when it became clear that these people VIOLATED the agreement and had blatantly commercial as well as incendiary agendas.

Do you want a government that requires you to go get Prior Permission to conduct your everyday bijnej? Even in communist countries that was not required. They DID check your baggage as you were leaving, and in this case, the government DID respond fast when alerted to the fact that an outrage had been perpetrated.

What the whole mess illustrates is how FREE India is, even the jailers at Tihar respected the right of free expression for such monsters.

Hang the perpetrators - they are the ones trying to remove Freedom from the people. Put BBC's entire India executive suite into jail, and put out Interpol warrants on their bosses in Londonistan, and the Director/Producer/Editor/Distributor. Let them deal with those issues for the next 10 years. Demand that any country where they land, should arrest and "rendition" them over to India to face charges.