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Despite detailed explanations, the IN insistence on medium sized helo has always been puzzling.

Medium helos like Sea King are truly a class apart, but surely Navy could have accepted say, 1-2 squadrons of Dhruvs for ship borne role. Worst, we continued to flog the Chetak fleet without any upgrades.

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The DAC cleared Rs 7000Cr order for 32 Dhruvs with 16 for IN and 16 for CG. Seeing the high cost it is most likely that ASW version of Dhruvs with weapons are earmarked for IN.
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8 chetaks are also cleared.

In near future it seems 24 S70B+16 Dhruv+17 (Upgraded )Sea kingB+14 (upgraded and new)Ka 28+8 Match chetak=79 ASW helos will form the ASW helo fleet till ASW version of NMRH and NLUH arrives.
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This is an old report on the new RuCorvettes,whose dpl. is now said to be 2000t and includes an ASW helo stored below deck.The specs gives an idea of the capabilities of this small warship. Compare this clout with our NOPVs which are much larger.The IN however has to grapple with both enough platforms and within its budget,the smallest of the 3 services.In fact it should be be substantially increased so that the 200 ship/sub fleet is achieved within a decade. The more capable our smaller warships are,
the greater the reach and striking power of the IN.

http://defense-update.com/page/42?attachment_id
First of a New Class Patrol Ships Laid Down at Zelenodolsky Shipyard in Russia
Feb 28, 2014
Project 22160 offshore patrol ship

The lead vessel in a new class of patrol vessels designed for maritime security was laid down in a ceremony at Russia’s Zelenodolsky shipyard (Gorky) Wednesday February 26, 2012. The vessel, to be named ‘Vasily Bykov’ will be the first diesel-powered Project 22160 patrol ship.

The new generation, 1,300-ton ship will have a range of 6,000 nautical miles on missions up to 60 days at sea. It will be manned by a crew of 80 sailors.

The ship will be armed with a single 57mm cannon, heavy machine guns, air defense systems, radar, electronic warfare and electronic countermeasures (ECM). The large deck can be configured to accommodate a pair of weapon launchers as an option. These weapons can include two torpedo launching tubes, a Shtil-1 air defense system with two launchers, two Club-N cruise missiles or two Uran-E anti-ship missile.


Powered by diesel or combined diesel-gas turbine, (CODAG), the 94 meter vessel can reach a top speed of 30 knots. The vessel is designed with a ‘telescopic hangar’ and aft deck supporting helicopters weighing up to 12 tons.

The new class is intended for economic zone patrol, search-and-rescue operations, anti-piracy and anti-smuggling activities, environmental monitoring, as well as coastal defense and escort service. Six ships of the new class are expected to be built by 2019.
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At 2:28 there is a number on the screen Sortie: 0 Total: 777837. Almost a million miles on this boat?? That's an awful lot of mileage.
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Indian Navy Upgrades INS Vikramaditya With Barak-1 Air Defense Systems
Source : Our Bureau ~ Dated : Wednesday, July 15, 2015

The Indian Navy has refitted its aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya with Barak-1 air defense systems and Russian made AK-630 close-in weapon system for operational services.

AK-630 close-in weapon system is borrowed from a to-be-decommissioned Godavari-class ship.

The $2.3 billion aircraft carrier acquired from Russia was inducted in the Indian Navy in 2013 without self-protection systems.

"The aircraft carrier will sail out of the harbour after its first short refit and join the Navy in a week," Vice-Admiral P. Murugesan, Vice-Chief of the Naval Staff, said on Tuesday.


The carrier was originally scheduled to receive a long-range surface-to-air missile system under joint development with Israel. But the carrier was inducted without its own air-defense cover due to delay in its development.

Barak 8 is an upgraded version of the Barak system that both the nations use. The missile is being jointly developed by India's Defense Research & Development Organization (DRDO), Israel's Administration for the Development of Weapons and Technological Infrastructure, Elta Systems, Rafael and other companies.

The state-run Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) will series produce the 70 km-range Barak-8, with 32 missiles to be initially fitted onto INS Kolkata.

The Isreali Barak 8 missile is capable of intercepting incoming missiles. It is able to simultaneously track hundreds of airborne targets to a range of more than 250 Kms. The missile had undergone a successful test in Israel last November.
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/14816/ ... ][b]Indian Navy To Issue RFP For First Refit Of INS Vikramaditya Aircraft Carrier[/b]
Source : Our Bureau ~ Dated : Thursday, December 10, 2015

INS Vikramaditya Carrier

Indian Navy will soon be issuing a Request For Proposal (RFP) to carry out the first refit of its newest aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya which is set for overhaul by September 2016.

“Dry docking of an aircraft carrier is a critical task and the Navy has asked the two shipyards to ready their existing infrastructure to meet the requirement. The Request for Proposal will be issued shortly and one of the contenders will carry out the first refit of the carrier,” Indian Express News Daily quoted an unnamed Defense Ministry source as saying.

The Navy has identified Pipavav shipyards and Cochin Shipyards for the first docking of the carrier under the government’s Make In India initiative.

The 45,000-ton modified Kiev class warship was commissioned into the Indian Navy in November 2013.

As per the contract with Russia the first refit of the aircraft carrier is mandatory within three years of it being commissioned and is expected to cost over Rs 200 crore (US $30 million).


During the refit, crucial parameters of the ship such as damages if any to the hull, propellers, runway, health of the component aircraft — presently Mig 29K— will be checked and their operational capability will be enhanced, the daily reported.

“As per the contract, subsequent dockings are supposed to take place once in five years,” the source said.
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sankum wrote:The DAC cleared Rs 7000Cr order for 32 Dhruvs with 16 for IN and 16 for CG. Seeing the high cost it is most likely that ASW version of Dhruvs with weapons are earmarked for IN.
Exhaustive ASW mission package with missile is around 1200 kgs.

Flash dipping sonar with panels, unit and 750 m cable is 310 kgs
Two mk46/54 torpedos is 275*2 = 550
total = 860 kgs.

Two operators + two pilots = 400 kgs
Total is roughly around 1300 kgs ( with rounding up )

That still leaves 1000-1200 kgs that can be carried in external fuel pods on the outside for the dhruv. That would give comparable loiter capability.
I am not sure why the IN has not pursued dhruv as a real and a very serious ASW option for IN. In 2015 the rotor blades have a new folding mechanism.

Maybe Vivek K can calculate what the loiter capability is, if it can lug around another 1000 kgs of fuel.

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Philip wrote:...

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/14816/ ... ][b]Indian Navy To Issue RFP For First Refit Of INS Vikramaditya Aircraft Carrier[/b]
Source : Our Bureau ~ Dated : Thursday, December 10, 2015

INS Vikramaditya Carrier

Indian Navy will soon be issuing a Request For Proposal (RFP) to carry out the first refit of its newest aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya which is set for overhaul by September 2016.

“Dry docking of an aircraft carrier is a critical task and the Navy has asked the two shipyards to ready their existing infrastructure to meet the requirement. The Request for Proposal will be issued shortly and one of the contenders will carry out the first refit of the carrier,” Indian Express News Daily quoted an unnamed Defense Ministry source as saying.

The Navy has identified Pipavav shipyards and Cochin Shipyards for the first docking of the carrier under the government’s Make In India initiative.

The 45,000-ton modified Kiev class warship was commissioned into the Indian Navy in November 2013.

As per the contract with Russia the first refit of the aircraft carrier is mandatory within three years of it being commissioned and is expected to cost over Rs 200 crore (US $30 million).

During the refit, crucial parameters of the ship such as damages if any to the hull, propellers, runway, health of the component aircraft — presently Mig 29K— will be checked and their operational capability will be enhanced, the daily reported.

“As per the contract, subsequent dockings are supposed to take place once in five years,” the source said.
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All the more reason why second Vikrant carrier should be ordered and inducted by 2023. Given the 3-5 year frequency of dry docking for refits, the IN would need at least 3 carriers to keep one deployed at all times with one on active reserve and one in refit/training/secondary reserve. Around 5 carriers would be required to keep at least 2 deployed at all times.
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Found this int. titbit about the SK's refit.Interesting new eqpt.including an NHPP scope!
INDIA – Sindhughosh (Kilo – Project 877) Class Submarine
INS SINDHUKIRTI (S61): On 21 May 2015, the Sindhughosh
class submarine INS SINDHUKIRTI (S61) departed Hindustan
Shipyard Ltd (HSL) for sea trials following a nine year overhaul
period. The mid-life upgrade (MLU) began in 2006. The
submarine will be returned to active service by the end of 2015.
The work package for the MLU included:
 Hull, mechanical and electrical maintenance and repair.
Installation of the Novator club-S (3M-54E1, SS-N-
27/Sizzler) missile system.
 Replacement of weapon control system.
 Upgrades to electronic warfare suite.
Installation of the indigenous Ushus sonar system.
 Installation of the indigenous CCS-MK radio communication
system.
Installation of L3 KEO non-hull penetrating mast.
 Installation of the Sagem SIGMA 40 ring laser gyro system.
The four remaining units of the class (Sindhudhvaj – S56,
SINDHURAJ – S57, SINDHUVIR – S58, and
SINDHUSHASTRA – S65) were originally schedule to have this
refit completed by 2016 at HSL under the direction of advisors
from Rubin Design Bureau and Zvezdochka Shipyard. However, it
now appears that the IN will probably overhaul the two of the
remaining four at Zvezdochka starting in 2016 and the final two at
HSL.
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Rajput with Oto Melara 76 mm cannon:

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One of the few things I can agree with Philip Saar is the purchase of some additional new MKIsed Kilos
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Philip wrote:http://defense-update.com/page/42?attachment_id
First of a New Class Patrol Ships Laid Down at Zelenodolsky Shipyard in Russia
Feb 28, 2014
Project 22160 offshore patrol ship

The new class is intended for economic zone patrol, search-and-rescue operations, anti-piracy and anti-smuggling activities, environmental monitoring, as well as coastal defense and escort service. Six ships of the new class are expected to be built by 2019.
Seems like a Russian Littoral Combat Ship.
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we need a hi res version of this pic yesterday from kochi
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^^ Tarmak has shared a lot of pics: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 085&type=3

Here is a higher-res:

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On the occasion of Vijay Diwas:

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The squadrons deployed on the INS Vikramaditya? Probably the clearest such picture I have come across so far.

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Source: Tarmak FB

I looked them up on Wiki, can gurus verify if the list is right?

(from L-R)
- INAS 333, The Eagles flying the Ka 25 and 28
- INAS 339, The Falcons flying the Sea King and Ka 31 (the insignia on Wiki is different, did it change recently?)
- INAS 303, Black Panthers flying the MiG-29K

- INS Vikramaditya's insignia
- Navy crest
- INS Vikramaditya's insignia

- INAS 300, The White Tigers flying the Sea Harrier :-o (didn't know they were deployed on this carrier? Or are they being converted to the 29K?)
- INAS 330, The Harpoons flying the Sea King
- INAS 321, The Angels flying the Chetak
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INAS 300

yes interesting indeed. I don't see them being number plated.
They are crem de la crem and have already seeded the Black Panthers.
Natural progression for them to carry on with harriers till end of life and switch to the Mig-29K.

I am sure they will be getting their hand dirty as more Ks arrive.

For now I think we must be testing inter operability for them on the Vik_A for the Harriers.
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Some media reports.Grand show by the IN for the PM.

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 047_1.html
An impressive array of warships, including nuclear capable submarines, and about 8000 men and officers of Indian Navy presented an exquisite display of operational capabilities in an exercise reviewed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi off the Kochi coast in Kerala today.

Having chaired the Combined Commanders Conference, an annual tri-services event held for the first time outside New Delhi onboard INS Vikramaditya, the Prime Minister reviewed the exercise about 50 km off the coast where the naval guns blazed and fighter jets roared in a dazzling display of India's military might.

The annual event, held against an operational backdrop of the high seas for the first time, was attended by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, National Security Advisor Ajit Doval, Chiefs of Army, Navy and Airforce, secretaries of the government of India besides top tri-services commanders.

"Indian Navy displayed its Naval as well as air power capabilities during the approximately 40 to 45 minute (exercise). Ships of the Navy were there including submarines, as also aircraft, and about 8000 plus men of Indian Navy participated as part of the exercise," a Defence spokesman said.

He said it was the Prime Minister's Office which wanted the tri-services meet to be held in an operational setting.

"So it was moved out of the South Block and it is a reality today. It is now going to be from operational backdrops to operational backdrops," he said.

After Prime Minister Modi had chaired the meet onboard INS Vikramaditya which lasted for about an-hour-and-half, he reviewed the exercise that began with firing by naval guns followed by a rocket-fire demonstration.

"We had 30 plus ships outside, which included INS Vikramaditya, Virat, Kochi, Delhi, Mysore....," the Defence spokesman said.

"Then we had nuclear submarine INS Chakra... ...We had 60 aircraft of the Naval aviation ranging from one end of the spectrum to other end. We also showcased the actual operations of MiG 29 K from INS Vikramaditya. A number of sorties were taken off, one from the larger runway--that is 195 meters and one from the 100 meter runway," he said.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/k ... te][b]Modi watches naval might on board ship[/b]
Two MiG 29 K fighter aircraft that are part of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya’s integral air defence during the operational demonstration witnessed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi off the Kochi coast on Tuesday.
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Two MiG 29 K fighter aircraft that are part of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya’s integral air defence during the operational demonstration witnessed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi off the Kochi coast on Tuesday.
Theatre-level operational demonstration by assorted naval ships and aircraft

Minutes past an hour-and-a-half long closed door briefing onboard Indian Navy’s flagship INS Vikramaditya on Tuesday, Prime Minister Narendra Modi watched a scintillating display of naval might in a theatre-level operational demonstration put up by assorted naval ships and aircraft.

Mr. Modi reviewed a tri-services guard of honour at the naval base here earlier in the day before landing on the refurbished Soviet-era carrier on a Seaking helicopter. Behind closed doors, he chaired a session with the National Security Adviser, defence secretary, senior secretaries in the Defence Ministry and the services chiefs and top commanders discussing issues of strategic significance under the consideration of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS). The Prime Minister also interacted with services personnel on board the carrier, positioned on the seas off Kochi coast in a first for the annual Combined Commanders’ Conference.

Mr. Modi was received on board with the naval band in attendance followed by naval gunfire.

Frontline vessels of the Navy, including destroyers INS Kochi, INS Delhi, INS Shivalik, INS Suvarna with the nuclear-armed Dhanush missile and the nuclear submarine INS Chakra took part in the operational demonstration and steam past. Outgoing warhorse, aircraft carrier INS Viraat participated in the demo with its integral fleet of Sea Harrier jump jets.


Sailing between carriers Vikramaditya and Viraat, Chakra dived; Seaking anti-submarine warfare helicopters demonstrated detection of submarines using their dunkers. Fast attack crafts and fast interceptor crafts simulated various scenarios in anti-piracy operations.

Chetak helicopters flew with the services flag and the national flag under-slung. The airpower demo comprised aerobatics by aircraft such as the MiG 29K, with six aircraft taking off and landing on board the Vikramaditya; missile boat INS Nirghat fired a surface-to-surface missile; P8-I and Dornier maritime recce aircraft displayed their surveillance capability; the advanced light helicopter (ALH) demonstrated its skills and an ageing Sea Harrier conducted operations from the deck of Viraat.

Sources said Mr. Modi took a tour of the Vikramaditya, inspecting its command and control facilities besides weapon and communications systems when he was briefed on the carrier’s operational utility and versatility.[/quote]
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>>ageing Sea Harrier
>>Outgoing warhorse
>>refurbished Soviet-era carrier

Who is teaching these folks to spit the betel juices all over the fleet?
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Jugal R Purohit ‏@jrpur 15h15 hours ago
JUST IN: Vizag-based, MoD-owned Hindustan Shipyard cleared to build five massive fleet support ships (30000 tonnes) for the navy @ Rs 9000cr
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Thakur_B wrote:
Jugal R Purohit ‏@jrpur 15h15 hours ago
JUST IN: Vizag-based, MoD-owned Hindustan Shipyard cleared to build five massive fleet support ships (30000 tonnes) for the navy @ Rs 9000cr
Its a huge relief for HSL which was running without without orders. It is an oppurtunity for them to execute the delivaries now on Time unlike the earlier time when they delayed the Refittment of Kilo Sumarine in Yrs.
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pkudva wrote:Its a huge relief for HSL which was running without without orders. It is an oppurtunity for them to execute the delivaries now on Time unlike the earlier time when they delayed the Refittment of Kilo Sumarine in Yrs.
Do not blame HSL on this issue. If not lengthy Kilo submarine refit, on what pretext huge Russian engineers will visit Vizag. Once Arihant on seas for trials, suddenly Kilo refit has over.
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The Kilo refit was bungled by HSL and rescued by the IN/Ru teams. Anyway,the sub is back with huge improvements,something to celebrate. :D

More bubbly and vodka to be corked and opened.Media reports today say that the second Akula is to be sealed during the PM's Moscow visit,along with several S-400 systems,hundreds of KA-226s and a huge Pinaka order. The Pinaka order is significant as it indicates the method of dealing with any future aggro coming from across the border. The Pakis "won't like it up 'em" as Cpl. Jones used to say,when massive salvoes of Pinaka rounds greet them when they indulge in cross border firing or mischief.This willa dd considerably to the IA's firepower.

The second Akula-2 will be a huge boost for the IN and one is sure that the plans for the IN's nuclear sub fleet is gathering the desired momentum.
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Why this piecemeal getting Akulas. Layout a 5 year plan and induct a few (3-4)-and build some operational capability on our side for running long and deep, esp till our nuke boats come online. We need these to create a huge asymmetry viz-a-viz china.
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^^^Why does the Pinaka order have to coincide with Moscow visit? That's a homegrown system...and I hope we're not going for more Russian long range MLRS.
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kmkraoind wrote:
pkudva wrote:Its a huge relief for HSL which was running without without orders. It is an oppurtunity for them to execute the delivaries now on Time unlike the earlier time when they delayed the Refittment of Kilo Sumarine in Yrs.
Do not blame HSL on this issue. If not lengthy Kilo submarine refit, on what pretext huge Russian engineers will visit Vizag. Once Arihant on seas for trials, suddenly Kilo refit has over.
Russian Engineers will continue to visit Vizag as India would need their assistance for INS Aridhaman, INS Arihant i.e during commissioning & later when it comes for 1st Maintainence .

More Importantly it needs to learnt what will be Russian assistance in the development of SSN.

On Akula-2: There were also reports that Deal has fallen apart and India may not go with Akula-2 due to Cost & other unknown reasons. By 2018 India wud hve INS Chakra, INS Arihant & would also be close to commission INS Ardhaman.
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Philip wrote:The Kilo refit was bungled by HSL and rescued by the IN/Ru teams.
No it was "bungled" by the russians on purpose, to stymie Indian efforts to deprive them of a cash making prospect. A naive and incompetent HSL fell for it and that is their fault, but let us apportion the blame to where it lies.
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pkdua sahab,
akulas and arihants are for different purpose. we need both of them.
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adityadange wrote:pkdua sahab,
akulas and arihants are for different purpose. we need both of them.
Thanks I know it very well. My reply was only pertaining to Russians coming to Vizag. I still re-iterate they shall continue to come as their consultancy shall be required in all eventualities or Navy shall demand for it :D
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there may be no more akulas to lease and with things heating up, RuN will want to keep all their more modern subs as yasen class is expensive and slow to build.

there are claims that some unfinished akula hull sections were reused in the Borey class!
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Hull sections may be similar for diff classes of subs,esp when reactors,engines,etc. are standardised. It is true though that sev. Soviet era unfinished subs and their components have been used in some new Ru N-subs. The hulls have a min 50 yr life. The old hulls may have also had the advantage of some titanium components,which in those days was relatively cheap for the Soviets,though eventually even they discarded Ti hulls after the Alfa class and used high strength steel for the Akulas. From today's media reports,the second Akula lease is on the cards,and will be signed during the PM's visit to Moscow.As our SSBN fleet grows and IAC-1 arrives,the need for more SSN/SSGNs will dramatically increase. The second Akula is planned to arrive in 2018,the same year the new Vikrant also enters service. One wouldn't rule out further leases of Ru N-subs in the future,since we've yet to get started on building our first SSN.
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would two 50k ton class aircraft carriers be better than a 100 k ton behemoth ? Apparently it does !! ..for almost all countries in the world except one ! .. Suggestions welcome . Apart from reasons like one carrier cannot be in two places at once and operational expenses ..
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Other countries do not matter much in this discussion. Best way to approach would be from an operational requirement perspective. Find out threat, look at what the threat can bring to bear, see what is required to counter that and then add room for other missions. That will determine your OR for a particularly system. For most nations the choice between 2 small and 1 large is dictated by economics because they only intent do spend a finite amount of money and are generally trying to figure out whether to buy 2 or 1 (and not 3, 4, or 5 carriers). So for them its about finding in what capability can be squeezed into a finite budget for 2 carriers. Most of those nations ( UK, France) do not have a pear threat challenging the carrier and are essentially using this as a forward deployed global force projection tool rather than to advanced its own maritime interests in a region or project force against a pear threat.
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Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

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In the IN's context,given the geostrategic location of the Indian landmass,it is essential that we have at least 2 med-sized CVs. One each for the Arabian Sea,African littoral,south west IOR and Gulf and a second for the Bay of Bengal,A&N islands,malacca Straits,and south east IOR.A third will be needed for ops in the ICS (Indo-China Sea),ASEAN waters and Pacific theatre. The planned 3-4 amphibs could be leveraged for swing roles in the IOR on both flanks,as supporting cast to the CVs and standing in for them when needed provided they are ski-jump air-capable from which at least our NLCAs could operate from. We have island nations like Mauritius,the Seychelles,the Maldives and Sri Lanka as our key strat. interests,defence rtie-ups with some of them including Vietnam in the ICS.

One large N-powered CV simply cannot be in 2 or 3 places at the same time.We are not the USN and must not have grandiose delusions about being Uncle Sam's "deputy" in the region.But given our landmass and island territories,plus friendly relations with so many countries and the aforementioned def. relationship, we also need to improve our LRMP inventory and capability,including strat. bombing capability. The manner in which legacy TU-142 Bears have struck flying thousands of KM in the ME/Syria,repeated testing of NATO defences, proves its importance and also shows that there is a glaring hole in our def. preparedness and offensive capability ,the lack of both a dedicated tactical strike and strat. strike bomber.
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Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

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rohitvats wrote:^^^Why does the Pinaka order have to coincide with Moscow visit? That's a homegrown system...and I hope we're not going for more Russian long range MLRS.
This was decided in the monthly DAC meeting. Nothing to do with PM's Russian visit.
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Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

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Thakur_B wrote:
Jugal R Purohit ‏@jrpur 15h15 hours ago
JUST IN: Vizag-based, MoD-owned Hindustan Shipyard cleared to build five massive fleet support ships (30000 tonnes) for the navy @ Rs 9000cr
S Jha mention 40,000 tonne as full displacement for the FSS.
Now the projected size of these ships will make them only slightly smaller than the INS Vikramaditya which recently became fully operational with its complement of Mig-29ks. With an overall length of 200 m, a beam of about 25 m and and full load displacement of 40000 tonnes, the FSS will easily count among the IN's biggest ships. These FSSs will thus be more than 10000 tonnes larger than India's latest fleet tankers of the Deepak Class. Interestingly the RFI also says that the draught of these ships should not exceed 10m thereby rendering them easily capable of traversing the Suez Canal and even shallower navigable channels.
The article has a lot more info -
http://www.ibnlive.com/blogs/india/saur ... 48469.html
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Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

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The latest CAG reports show that the IN's Chetaks are in v.poor shape and condition,probably why the 50 or so KA-226s mentioned for the IN in a recent report are to be fast tracked.
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"I want you baby but not so fast" - as the BRO signs on twisty himalayan roads say.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 234798.cms
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In the port city, senior HSL officials were unable to confirm the development and said that they were yet to receive the order from the DAC.

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"If the reports of HSL being nominated for the five FSS are true, then we will need the request for proposal based on which we can have a build strategy. The build strategy will take into consideration the design of the FSS. Decision will be taken on whether the design has to be taken from abroad and who will be the foreign and Indian collaborators for the project. Once the RFP is received, then HSL will decide on who will be the partners for the project," a HSL official said.

"We have been hearing about nominations for HSL for the P75 (I) project under which HSL was supposed to build two submarines. But later on it was changed and we are yet to get that order," he added.

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Jugal Purohit chips in with another good piece ...

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/insi ... 50387.html
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The question of securing the VVIPs as well as over 2200 personnel (in the place of 1500 otherwise), in international waters on board INS Vikramaditya did rise. While there were stand by assets for every eventuality, even those decked up and participating had to do their bit in sanitising the scene.
"You must not forget that five submarines participated but only one showed up on surface. Let's just leave it at that," said an officer.
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