Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 24 Nov 2016 02:33

Is Arunachal Scouts now considered Regiment in Indian Army?

vaibhav.n wrote:1 & 2 Arunachal Scouts have been presented with their colours by COAS.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 27 Nov 2016 13:14

Bengaluru school to donate Rs 50 lakh to soldiers

Students, teachers and management of a city school have come together and pooled in Rs 50 lakh to be donated to the Army Welfare Fund.
Chairman of the New Horizon Educational Institution Mohan Manghnani will hand over the money to Major General KS Nijjar, general officer commanding, Karnataka and Kerala sub-area, on Thursday.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 28 Nov 2016 22:03

Exorcising the ghost of Bofors

The Indian army is set to acquire its first howitzers in three decades and restart a long-delayed artillery modernisation programme.
Sandeep Unnithan

November 24, 2016 | UPDATED 20:35 IST

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 18418.html

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Nov 2016 00:25

Lt Gen A K Bhatt appointed Director General of Military Operations

http://www.newsx.com/national/47877-lt- ... operations

New Delhi: The Appointments Committee of the Cabinet on Monday approved appointment of Lt Gen AK Bhatt as the Indian Army's new Director General of Military Operations.He will replace Lt Gen Ranbir Singh who moves to Mathura as commander of the army's 1 (strike) Corps.
The new appointment come nearly two months after the surgical strike by Indian troops across the Line of Control to neutralise terrorist launching pads, which Lt Gen Singh as DGMO had announced on September 29, and as incidents of ceasefire violations from Pakistan continue along the International Border and Line of Control. The cabinet panel also approved the proposal of the Ministry of Home Affairs to appoint Lt. Gen Shokin Chauhan as Director General of Assam Rifles on deputation basis for a period of two years with effect from the date of his assumption of charge or till his retirement from the Army or until further orders.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Nov 2016 20:25

a gift to all those who shit on indian small arms of shiny new foreign kit

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germa ... ce=twitter

German arms manufacturer Heckler & Koch will no longer sign contracts to supply countries outside of NATO's influence because it has become too difficult to obtain government approval for such deals, news agency DPA reported on Monday.

The company, one of the world's best-known gunmakers, will in future only sell to countries that are democratic and free from corruption and that are members of NATO or NATO members' partners, DPA said, citing company sources.

It said this change in strategy would rule out deals with countries such as Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Brazil, India or even NATO member Turkey.

Heckler & Koch did not respond to requests for comment.

Its HK416 assault rifle is said to have been used to kill Osama bin Laden and its G36 rifle is standard issue for armies across the globe.

However, German restrictions on arms exports to the Middle East have weighed on its business, contributing to a 90 percent collapse in operating earnings last year.

The company sued the German government last year for failing to approve a deal to supply Saudi Arabia with parts needed to make its G36 assault rifle.

The deal had been approved in 2008 despite concerns about human rights abuses in the Gulf kingdom, but the German government changed its approach on arms exports two years ago.

German Economy Minister Sigmar Gabriel has sought to curb sales of tanks and small arms in particular since taking office late in 2013, arguing that guns such as assault rifles were the weapons of choice in civil wars all over the world.

Selling weapons is highly sensitive in Germany due to the country's World War Two history. It is the world's fifth- biggest exporter of major arms, according to the SIPRI research institute, and the industry employs about 80,000 people.

Heckler & Koch, which listed some of its shares on Euronext via a private placement last year, also came under pressure last year when some of its former employees were charged with breaching laws on trade and weapons of war by selling arms destined for four Mexican states.

(Reporting by Maria Sheahan, additional reporting by Sabine Siebold; Editing by Susan Fenton)

Rishi Verma · Post by **Rishi Verma** » 29 Nov 2016 23:09

Another terror attack on our troops. 2-officers 5-jawans dead.

Nagrota Terror Attack on Army

khan · Post by **khan** » 30 Nov 2016 00:07

Rishi Verma wrote:Another terror attack on our troops. 2-officers 5-jawans dead.

Nagrota Terror Attack on Army

They need to revise Standard Operating Proceedures inside military bases. For eg, when entering a military base, everybody should be disarmed except the "natives" of the base who are recognized by security.

Random armed people should not be able to walk into military bases just by virtue of wearing the right uniform.

arun · Post by **arun** » 30 Nov 2016 12:29

X Posted from the “India Border Watch: Security and Operations”.

When confronted with attacks on our Military Bases at Pathankot, Uri and Nagrota in a compact time frame resulting in our Military suffering higher casualties than the Mohammadden Terrorist attackers, I wonder if Auric Goldfinger might have said “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is incompetent action”:

Intelligence warned of imminent attack, spotlight now on poor security at camps

vaibhav.n · Post by **vaibhav.n** » 30 Nov 2016 23:06

Aditya,

Scouts battalions come under specific Infantry Regimental Centres. Arunachal Scouts draws manpower from the Assam Regiment. As the former is a full fledged infantry regiment, scouts are allowed to be presented with colours as such in recognition of their services. Most infantry regiments with class composition from the hills have scout units. Scout units have different tasking than regular battalions which may be deployed alongside them.

AFAIK, only the Ladakh Scouts are a full fledged regiment and are thus allowed to have their own regimental training centre and records office.

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 01 Dec 2016 00:13

Correct Vaibhav
I think they got to that due to their exceptional services rendered all the time and in Kargil and the Tibet_ian X factor.

Believe it was afoot in mid 90s and then finally it came to , thanks to Kargil etc.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 01 Dec 2016 02:03

vaibhav.n wrote:Aditya,

Scouts battalions come under specific Infantry Regimental Centres. Arunachal Scouts draws manpower from the Assam Regiment. As the former is a full fledged infantry regiment, scouts are allowed to be presented with colours as such in recognition of their services. Most infantry regiments with class composition from the hills have scout units. Scout units have different tasking than regular battalions which may be deployed alongside them.

AFAIK, only the Ladakh Scouts are a full fledged regiment and are thus allowed to have their own regimental training centre and records office.

Interesting. thanks

Found a related piece

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 255193.cms

UCKNOW: Friday was indeed a historical day for the Indian Army, the Gorkha Brigade, 11 Gorkha Rifles & the state of Sikkim, as Vice Chief of Army Staff (VCOAS) Lieutenant General SK Singh unveiled the flag of Sikkim Scouts. This new battalion will form part of 11 Gorkha Rifles and will be raised at 11 GRRC, Lucknow.

On this historic moment, the VCOAS, who is also the 'President of the Gorkha Brigade' unveiled the flag and handed it over to Colonel Samar Singh Pundir, first commanding officer of the battalion. The battalion will be permanently located in the high altitude and rugged terrain of Sikkim. This battalion is raised on the concept of 'Sons of Soils' to guard the nation's frontiers. Based on this concept, the Indian Army already has Ladakh Scouts, Dogra Scouts, Garhwal Scouts, Kumaon Scouts & the Arunachal Scouts.

The raising ceremony was followed by a talk by the VCOAS to the 319 recruits & the core group, which has assembled to train the new entrants. It is after nearly 50 years that a new battalion has been raised as part of the Gorkha Brigade. The VCOAS exhorted all present to work hard and lay a solid foundation. He said that other troops will stay for 2-3 years in these altitudes and then withdraw, but the Scouts will be permanently there.

He also said that the men have been selected since they are locals, they understand the language and are fully acclimatised. He remarked that a new beginning has been made & the Sikkim Scouts must live up to the reputation of the fabled Scouts of Indian Army.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 02 Dec 2016 00:25

Khalsa wrote:Correct Vaibhav
I think they got to that due to their exceptional services rendered all the time and in Kargil and the Tibet_ian X factor.
Believe it was afoot in mid 90s and then finally it came to , thanks to Kargil etc.

Ladakh Scouts were/are different from other other Scout battalions in the IA.

Earlier, Ladakh Scouts were organized as wings - you had the Karakorum Wing and Indus Wing. More accurate comparison of Ladakh Scouts is the Northern Light Infantry of Pakistan Army before and after regularization.

Post Kargil, they evolved into a full fledged Infantry Regiments.

As compared to them, some Infantry Regiments have 1 or max 2 battalions termed as Scouts. And these operate in their home turf. Dogra Regiment has Dogra Scouts; Kumaon Regiment and Garhwal Rifles also have a Scout Battalion each.

Dogra Scouts are employed in eastern Himachal (HP-Tibet border) while Kumaon and Garhwal ones are in their respective areas of Uttarakhand.

Level of mountain warfare training is higher; many are expert mountain climbers and product of Army's Mountain Warfare School. Unlike other battalions of the regiment, these stay put in their AOR and hence, have a much higher knowledge of terrain. Not to forget that these men are literally fighting on their home turf.

Officers who've served with these battalions sport the Scouts shoulder tab.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 06 Dec 2016 01:48

Video Of Indian Army Cadets Being Beaten Ignites Controversy
http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/12/video- ... ts-beaten/

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 06 Dec 2016 06:18

%##$^!@%%!

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 06 Dec 2016 08:58

I saw the video a few months back on YouTube and thought it was not real. When I saw it again in the news, I posted it here. Shocking in this day and age to do nonsense like this.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Dec 2016 10:04

To me the cheerful way in which the black shirters come and get walloped by the white shirters seems like they lost a bet or a competition. They all seem the same age and build.

It could have been a wargame of sorts with a taste of something much milder than a Paki would give them.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 06 Dec 2016 10:10

There is a subculture of the military that is fascinating as it is abhorrent. It is little studied.

There was a report from Canada a few years back of inductees eating each others' sh!t.

kvraghav · Post by **kvraghav** » 06 Dec 2016 10:44

Has Army ordered Tata Safari Storme? There is news that initial order of 3200 has been placed.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 06 Dec 2016 15:08

sanjaykumar wrote:There is a subculture of the military that is fascinating as it is abhorrent. It is little studied.

There was a report from Canada a few years back of inductees eating each others' sh!t.

many, particularly all male, institutions have a lot of macho initiation rites - definitely hard wired all over the world
most of it is non-sense but seems to work for the majority
a minority always come out scarred...

even the Danish detective series The Killing II featuring a group of soldiers returning from active duty in Afghanistan features a commander who punishes non performing members of his unit by having them tied up and suspended from the ceiling and having a flare put in their musharraff...

and this in a nice, 'civilised', caring sharing opt out military culture like Denmark...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Dec 2016 15:36

https://twitter.com/adgpi/status/806021463459274752

nits · Post by **nits** » 08 Dec 2016 20:53

Why has the army chief not been appointed yet? - From Rediff ( it also talks in details about appointment of a tri-service chief; posting part of it below - Read full Article for details)

If the government had followed tradition, Lieutenant General Praveen Bakshi, currently commanding the Eastern Army from Fort William in Kolkata, would have been named two months ago to succeed the present army chief, General Dalbir Singh Suhag, who is scheduled to retire on December 31.

General Bakshi is the senior-most amongst the qualified generals; and the government has traditionally named its incoming army, navy and air force three months ahead of time, to facilitate a smooth handover. But with just 23 days to go for General Suhag's retirement, and no successor named, the New Delhi grapevine is abuzz with speculation that the government is finalising the appointment of a tri-service chief, along with the next army chief.

There are three ways this could be done.

The least disruptive measure, and therefore the least transformative, would be creating a four-star 'permanent chairman chiefs of staff' (PCCOS), as proposed in 2013 by the Naresh Chandra Committee.

The government's second option is to appoint a five-star rank commander termed the 'chief of defence staff' (CDS), who would be the direct boss of all three service chiefs and the single point military advisor to the political leadership.

The third option, which would be the most transformative, is a root-and-branch restructuring of the entire military command structure, to impose tri-service jointmanship not just at the apex of the hierarchy, but also on the combat force --- the so-called theatre commands.

Now, the government has just three weeks to decide whether to deliver.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 08 Dec 2016 21:16

Which ever option the govt decides to undertake, I would be happy. Our PM is doing what no PM in the past has done. A CDS is long overdue.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 08 Dec 2016 23:00

the reason theatre commands work in the US/NATO structure is that senior officers of all services do a lot of post graduate studies and work jointly on planning, command and control - and have a good understanding of deploying combined arms/forces. this has taken a lot of time to set up. I would like to think that Indian armed forces now have this level of maturity in the senior ranks... public sources over the years have indicated a high degree of difference and rivalry - which I hope are now a thing of the past

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 08 Dec 2016 23:45

When Chinese soldiers gorged on Indian Army's roti and chicken curry
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/pla- ... 29279.html

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 08 Dec 2016 23:47

Tata Safari Storme Replaces Old Favourite Gypsy As The Indian Army Workhorse
http://auto.ndtv.com/news/tata-safari-s ... sy-1634738

In comparison, diesel is a more readily available fuel option, given the large fleet of army trucks and heavy-vehicles that run on oil burners. The Tata Safari Storme in that sense, fits the bill quite well, with the 2.2-litre four-cylinder engine being a good package of power and fuel economy. The motor churns out 154bhp and 400Nm of torque, while paired to a 6-speed transmission; while there is also a 148bhp and 320Nm version on the lower variants, paired to a 5-speed gearbox. Moreover, the SUV comes with both 4x2 and 4x4 options, which will help the SUV wade through marshy lands, desert, snow, gravel and every kind of varied terrain our country has to offer. As part of its duties, the Safari will have to transport men, material, artillery as required.

You want power, you need diesels.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 14 Dec 2016 21:01

this is from Major GD Bakshi fan page fb :

सेना के जूते की दास्तां

जयपुर की कंपनी सेना के लिए जूते बनाती है, फिर वह जूते इस्राइल को बेचते थे, फिर इजराइल वही जूते भारत को बेचता था और फिर वे जूते भारतीय सैनिकों को नसीब होते थे ! भारत एक नंग जूते के Rs. 25,000/- देते थे। यह सिलसिला कई सालो से चल रहा था ।
मनोहर पर्रिकर को यह पता चला, आग बबूला हो गए .. कंपनी के CEO से मिले, कारण पूछा, तो जवाब मिला : "भारत को डायरेक्ट जूते बेचने पर, भारत का सरकारी तंत्र सालो तक पेमेंट नहीं देता था, इसलिए हम दूसरे देशों में एक्सपोर्ट करने लगे।
मनोहर पर्रिकर ने कहा : "एक दिन, सिर्फ एक दिन भी पेमेंट लेट हो तो आप मुझे तुरंत कॉल कीजिए, बस, आपको हमे डायरेक्ट जूते बेचना है, आप प्राइस बताएं"
और इस तरह आखिर पर्रिकर ने वही जूते सिर्फ 2200/- में फाइनल किया !!
सोचिए ... जूते के 25,000/- देकर कॉग्रेस ने सालों तक कितनी लूट मचा रखी थी !
Shared from a friend's wall

The story of the army.

The company of jaipur is making shoes for army, then he sold the shoes, then the Israel had to sell India and then they had to go to the Indian soldiers to the Indian soldiers. India had a nang shoe rs. 25,000 /-. This season was running out of many years.
The Manohar Parikar detected it, the fire became kasmir.. met the CEO of the company, asked: " India had to sell direct shoes, India's official system of India, so we do not pay payment for other countries. Started to export to the export.
Manohar Parikar said: " a day, just a day to be late but you call me instantly, you have to sell the direct shoes.
And thus parikar the same shoes only in 2200 /- final done!!
Think... 25,000 /- by the shoes, how many robbery had made for years!

https://www.facebook.com/GDBAK/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 15 Dec 2016 17:32

Read in full and read comments too : https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-inf ... e=7f70a09c

Well, an Afghan channel outed this long ago, so I guess it’s open knowledge. Since the flavour of the day is glorifying your own armies, I’m sharing what was once left in a bunker, for the pakis. This is waaaayy before the “surgical strikes”.

The context :

A watchpost, with mg nest and two snipers with sota automatic DMRs, conv. radio, gasoline generator and 1 pak squad/ptn. (approx 18 elements) minus 4 men, who went “ missing” on recon. I can’t name the place or time, so don’t ask. This is the only surviving pic. And I will delete after a while.

One sniper with an Izmash SV-98, modded for .338 Lapua Mag; approx 840± yards.

Eight commando , 5 from SF(strike) 1 and 3 from the (desert) 10th.

Parameters :

4 hr window. Shock And Awe. No survivor.

Carry casualties back. Extract shells, confiscate effects and ordnance, raah raa raah…

Apart from 22 bodies, the only evidence left:

From comments :

All the families were not told , but they must know it by now. Sadly, revenge is overrated. And everything we won in those struggles was later handed to the tangos by our govt.s when they aligned with the ****** pdp and directed the MI to take a backseat, because some stupid sonofabitch thought he could ‘win their hearts’. Or maybe the brass’ or some minister’s bookie was ruing the cancellations of cricket matches.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 16 Dec 2016 00:41

From Pathankot to Pampore, how ideaForge is powering the Indian Army
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

Infosys has invested in a drone startup that works with the Indian Army
http://qz.com/863858/infosys-infy-has-i ... dian-army/

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 16 Dec 2016 15:17

^^ Ideaforge (Netra) has had a issues with production (delivered) quality and upkeep from what i hear. I Lol'd at some parts of the article. take it with a pinch of salt. It is ecotimes after all.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 17 Dec 2016 05:10

The Story Behind Manipur’s New National Highway: A Soldier’s Gift to A Village He Saved
https://www.newslaundry.com/2016/12/16/ ... ign=buffer

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 17 Dec 2016 05:14

Rakesh wrote:Tata Safari Storme Replaces Old Favourite Gypsy As The Indian Army Workhorse
http://auto.ndtv.com/news/tata-safari-s ... sy-1634738

In comparison, diesel is a more readily available fuel option, given the large fleet of army trucks and heavy-vehicles that run on oil burners. The Tata Safari Storme in that sense, fits the bill quite well, with the 2.2-litre four-cylinder engine being a good package of power and fuel economy. The motor churns out 154bhp and 400Nm of torque, while paired to a 6-speed transmission; while there is also a 148bhp and 320Nm version on the lower variants, paired to a 5-speed gearbox. Moreover, the SUV comes with both 4x2 and 4x4 options, which will help the SUV wade through marshy lands, desert, snow, gravel and every kind of varied terrain our country has to offer. As part of its duties, the Safari will have to transport men, material, artillery as required.
You want power, you need diesels.

TATA Storme, welcome to the family of Olive Green.
You will be carrying soldiers to war.
Go forth, and serve with honour.
https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/sta ... 2133019648

^^ Check out the tires --> BF Goodrich All Terrains. KO2s would have been amazing, but overkill. A winch in the front. A front skid plate would have been nice. Can someone please identify the gun on the top?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 17 Dec 2016 10:06

Was looking at the info graphic posted on the 28 by Austin. 12000 crs for 2000 FAT to be procured from AL. This is 6 CR a truck.

The question is why so expensive.

Rishi Verma · Post by **Rishi Verma** » 17 Dec 2016 17:32

Another attack by mofo pakis.. 3 Jawans killed.

Muslim Terrorists Attack Army Convoy in Pampore

tushar_m · Post by **tushar_m** » 17 Dec 2016 19:37

posted in wrong thread

Shubham · Post by **Shubham** » 17 Dec 2016 21:11

Breaking news:-
Lieutenent General Bipin Rawat to be the new Chief of Army Staff, Air Marshal BS Dhanoa to be the next Indian Air Force Chief.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 17 Dec 2016 21:32

The new RAW chief - Dhasmana- and the IA COAS- Rawat- are likely both from Uttarakhand given their surnames.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 17 Dec 2016 21:48

Govt. supersedes Lt Gen Praveen Bakshi & Lt Gen PM Hariz. Appt of IAF chief per seniority. Very interesting move.

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 17 Dec 2016 21:59

Awesome news seniority crap is finally sidelined, the "golf operation" to fix line of succession of Punjabi chiefs goes down the drain. IMHO VK Singh was right with his fight

ShankarC · Post by **ShankarC** » 17 Dec 2016 22:13

With all due respect, it wasn't right to supercede 3 generals to appoint a chosen one as COAS. This hurts institutional morale and needlessly politicizes the armed forces.

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 17 Dec 2016 22:20

^^^ How Merit superseding age isn't right? , I want the best man for the job.