TSJones wrote:KLNMurthy wrote:
Suppose Trump says some xyz's mother is a whore, with no basis whatsoever.
Does that mean every such xyz's mother should be made to go through an investigation to prove That Trump is wrong, and she is, in fact, not a whore?
What a pass rhe free people of the mighty USA have come to. Willingly enslaved to the whimsical tyranny of a third-rate huckster and con-man.
Sad.
there is slander and then there are reasonable suspicions.......
what are the facts?
1. does the US have a large illegal immigrant pop? yes, 15 million or more by conservative estimates.
2. is there a positive ID required in order to vote? no.
3. is there any penalty if caught trying to illegally vote? has any anyone been arrested at the voting booths? practically never....
now who is being enslaved?
Your logic amounts to saying to someone: "Your mother was never accused of being a whore, though she had every opportunity to be a whore. Therefore I, Trump, who btw just happens to be a self-confessed whoremonger, am right to suspect her of being a whore, and demand that she prove her chastity to me." It is true that to a whoremonger every woman looks like a whore.
Let's talk about what enslavement is. To me, the hallmatk of a free people is that they expect to be treated as men and women of honor whose word can be taken at face value. Enslavement is the opposite condition, under which they have to be constantly treated as thieves and crooks, who can be expected to do the wrong thing if not closely watched.
Voter registration requires an oath under penalty of perjury that one is a citizen. States like CA have a citizenship verification step at the Secretary of State's office.
You are claiming a priori that a non-negligible proportion of undocumented aliens, who would be mostly loath to come to any kind of official attention, are part of a systematic effort to perjure themselves about their citizenship status for the purpose of swinging an election for one or the other candidate. To believe this, one would have to believe that in a state like California which has had millions of undocumented aliens for decades now, has seen hundreds of elections in which this kind of fraud occurred, but there was a conspiracy of silence among all the losing candidates in all of these elections to never change fraud.
Afaik Trump is basing his claim on a study that found that often, voter rolls are out of date, due to dead people not being removed or due to people who move out of state not bothering to de-register. But that same study found no evidence that there has been significant fraudulent voting in the names of those dead people or out of state people.
Documented American history of voting fraud has always been in the direction of suppression of voting rights of legitimate voters due to their race. This in fact affected outcomes regularly. The quasi-honor system of voting registration that many states liks California adopted is to try and fix this known, actual problem. I think it is disgusting and disgraceful to try and invalidate this decent element of the system, and to callously try to roll it back.
and this after enduring a decade long circus starting at h1 or f1. one just cannot win against numbers and democratic takeover of the electoral process.