2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 11 Jun 2022 08:50

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/2022-ra ... ay-3054358

Sorry its from NDTV, but it was the only source I could immediately find that lists the results completely.

Good job by BJP especially in MH and KA. And sweep in HY (1 BJP winner and 1 independent backed by BJP+JJP).

In MH, a clear indication that MVA is losing ground. There is no way the BJP would win all 3 seats without considerable cross-voting. Good leadership by Farnavis.

The fact that the priority effort by Thakre went into ensuring the vidushak Sanjay Raut keeps his RS seat, shows how weak the MVA is.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 11 Jun 2022 11:20

Ambar wrote:Every town, district, city in India experiences periodic rioting, some more violent than others. And yet we cannot even provide our police force basic riot gear ! Heck ! Even Pakis seem to have done a better job of providing their police with basic riot gear and we are using cricket helmets (probably bought by the cops themselves) and a wooden lathi! The Police force in UP where they are no strangers to riots and violence have no armored vehicles, no helmets, no body armor, no pepper/smoke grenades, no ballistic shields or shields of any kind !.

Edit: Thanks to RD...removed references to Twitter video. I'm not sure if one should feel sorry or indifferent to the police infrastructure...it seems like the state administration (or MHA...which can make sure that cities & state police force meets min. standards of equipment & training) does not care...it seems like some units in Army (or officers) are purchasing tactical vests (from Armasen) on their own dime...hopefully police inspectors will follow suit.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 11 Jun 2022 11:26

Zynda wrote: There is a video on Twitter where a constable is pleading to his boss over a cell phone call about stone pelting. Literally the constable is crying...it is not a pleasant thing to hear..I'm not sure if one should feel sorry or indifferent to the police infrastructure...it seems like the state administration (or MHA...which can make sure that cities & state police force meets min. standards of equipment & training) does not care...it seems like some units in Army (or officers) are purchasing tactical vests (from Armasen) on their own dime...hopefully police inspectors will follow suit.

It's a fake video, boss. Have posted about it here.

viewtopic.php?p=2553277#p2553277

rrao · Post by **rrao** » 11 Jun 2022 12:03

The Govt should not budge to the demands of these mobsters misguided by PFI and SDPI ISI linked outfits.... sad to see police are not in riot gear with all the protective shields and batons. Hindus should also react strongly now onwards for any vandalism on temples and holy places. owaisi brothers often shoot out their mouths...especially the younger one. All seers and prominent Hindu leaders should issue hindu equivalent to fatwas. I dont know why VHP maintains silence? because Togadia is no longer in VHP?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Jun 2022 13:09

the frustrated amerikis continue to be vindictive.....

The virus of ukraine has corrupted their thinking and, as always, logic and truth are the victims.... and the spinmeisters are out in force..

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 083376.cms

Modi government rejects U.S report after India finishes last in environment performance index

The report ranked India at the bottom of a list of 180 countries.

Jun 8, 2022

NEW DELHI: The Union environment ministry on Wednesday rebutted the Environmental Performance Index 2022, which ranked India at the bottom of a list of 180 countries, saying some of the indicators it used are “extrapolated and based on surmises and unscientific methods”.

The index published recently by the Yale Center for Environmental Law and Policy and the Center for International Earth Science Information Network, Columbia University, used 40 performance indicators across 11 categories to judge countries on climate change performance, environmental health and ecosystem vitality.

“The Environmental Performance Index (EPI) 2022 released recently has many indicators based on unfounded assumptions. Some of these indicators used for assessing performance are extrapolated and based on surmises and unscientific methods,” the ministry said in a statement.

“A new indicator in the climate policy objective is 'projected GHG emissions levels in 2050'. This is computed based on the average rate of change in emission of the last 10 years instead of modelling that takes into account a longer time period, extent of renewable energy capacity and use, additional carbon sinks, energy efficiency etc. of respective countries,” the ministry said.

Forests and wetlands of the country are crucial carbon sinks but have not been factored in while computing the projected GHG emissions trajectory up to 2050 given by EPI 2022. Historical data on the lowest emission trajectory has been ignored in the computation, it said while rejecting the analysis.

The ministry said the weight of the indicators in which India performed well has been reduced and the reasons for such change have not been explained in the report.

“The principle of equity is given very low weightage in the form of indicators like GHG emission per capita and GHG Emission intensity trend. The CBDR-RC principle is also barely reflected in the composition of the index,” it said.

Common but Differentiated Responsibilities and Respective Capabilities (CBDR–RC) acknowledges the different capabilities and differing responsibilities of individual countries in addressing climate change.

The indicators on water quality, water use efficiency, waste generation per capita which are closely linked to sustainable consumption and production are not included in the Index, the ministry said.

“The index emphasises the extent of protected areas rather than the quality of protection that they afford. Management, effectiveness and evaluation of protected areas and eco-sensitive regions is not factored into the computation of biodiversity indices,” it said.

The index computes the extent of ecosystems but not their condition or productivity. It did not include indicators like agro biodiversity, soil health, food loss and waste even though they are important for developing countries with large agrarian populations.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Jun 2022 13:28

March 10 2022, a week after India abstained from voting on resolution condemning Russia for Ukraine Invasion, US officially designated Qatar as a “Non NATO ALLY”.

Now Qatar spearheads a religious intolerance campaign against India.

Coincidence much.............

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... 0Register.

Memorandum on the Designation of the State of Qatar as a Major Non-NATO Ally
MARCH 10, 2022

PRESIDENTIAL ACTIONS

Presidential Determination No. 2022-10

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE

SUBJECT: Designation of the State of Qatar as a Major Non-NATO Ally

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and by section 517 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, as amended (22 U.S.C. 2321k) (the “Act”), I hereby designate the State of Qatar as a major Non-NATO Ally of the United States for the purposes of the Act and the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.).

You are authorized and directed to publish this determination in the Federal Register.

JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1 ... -nato-ally

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Jun 2022 17:30

rrao wrote:The Govt should not budge to the demands of these mobsters misguided by PFI and SDPI ISI linked outfits.... sad to see police are not in riot gear with all the protective shields and batons. Hindus should also react strongly now onwards for any vandalism on temples and holy places. owaisi brothers often shoot out their mouths...especially the younger one. All seers and prominent Hindu leaders should issue hindu equivalent to fatwas. I dont know why VHP maintains silence? because Togadia is no longer in VHP?

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 11 Jun 2022 18:01

This is actually about San Francisco, however in a very roundabout way it does have implications for India.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ONARD.html

The insanity spreads far beyond California. Radical Left District Attorneys have been elected in cities across the U.S., including New York, many of them — it emerged this week — with substantial indirect backing from billionaire investor George Soros.

Mr Soros, an anti-Brexit campaigner and famously the man who ‘broke the Bank of England’ by betting on the pound crashing out of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism on ‘Black Wednesday’ in 1992, reportedly gave $40 million to groups campaigning to elect Boudin and 74 other like-minded prosecutors.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 11 Jun 2022 18:15

also heard Indians techies in SF are being targeted on caste by MB type organisations hiding behind dalit activists. Looks like democrats want to use caste to beat Hindus into submission (?? aren't desis already voting democrats in California?)

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Jun 2022 19:31

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 11 Jun 2022 20:54

IndraD wrote:also heard Indians techies in SF are being targeted on caste by MB type organisations hiding behind dalit activists. Looks like democrats want to use caste to beat Hindus into submission (?? aren't desis already voting democrats in California?)

I wouldn't be surprised. However let me give you my perspective for what it is worth. Some may not agree.
Let's be honest, we Indians are not nice to each other and we are caste conscious, that is a fact.
These sorts of discussions need to be had.
Indian people are good at talking about each other but not to each other.

If Indians are caste conscious in India, what makes you think they suddenly are not when they move to the west ??

There was a news story going around on Twitter a short while ago about a Brahmin boy who had been forced to drink urine of his dalit school mates.
There was lot's of outrage. It was pretty gross.
However if a similar story and there have been a few circulates about caste atrocities against dalits, there is normally silence.
We are callous and cruel to each other and there is no unity.
If this matter is not resolved then yes of course our enemies will take advantage of it, that is natural.

A very good friend of mine is involved with the Arya Samaj, his father is some sort of official in the London branch. Anyway he is a Khatri.
He said to me, "the A/Samaj is full of Brahmins & Khatris who will proudly tell you what caste they are and how great they are because of it, then they will tell you, we are in the Arya Samaj, we don't believe in caste!!!!"

The temples in India and abroad need to start a campaign against it. No point denying it happens. We are too divided and it makes us fatally weak.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 11 Jun 2022 20:55

chetak wrote:]March 10 2022, a week after India abstained from voting on resolution condemning Russia for Ukraine Invasion, US officially designated Qatar as a “Non NATO ALLY”.

Now Qatar spearheads a religious intolerance campaign against India.

Coincidence much.............

I do not think you are reading this correctly.

The MuNNA negotiation with several Gelf states was ongoing for a while. Kuwait and Bahrain were already MuNNAs. Bhaidanwa had already firmed it up in January, before the Russian special operation. The March 10 announcement was just the official one.

While MuNNA status doesn't necessarily mean a lot, this action by Bhaidanwa was meant to 1) improve energy security for the west (considering impending Russian operations at the time), and 2) counterbalance Saudi and UAE influence in the region - these two have been in a cold war with Qatar for a while now.

Qatar (through Al-Jazeera) has been running jihadi media campaigns against Bharat for years. Nothing new there.

Bharat is a confident nation-state/empire. We do not need to get paranoid over everything.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 11 Jun 2022 21:16

Agree with Dubeyji.
There is a lot of chatter in US about resetting ties with Saudis and things have only gone south since Joey took over. Is it a surprise that Saudis were courting Modi some time ago? Saudis know that they need to form a new alliance as old ones no longer are stable enough to rely upon. Interesting times ahead.

Russia and Saudis jointly showed middle finger to unkil on the gas issue that is also hurting the ego of superpawah.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 11 Jun 2022 21:46

Hari Seldon wrote: RS majority for NDA (not lotus alone) is possible by this winter session of parliament, I hear. Lotsa planets have to align etc but still possible.

It seems actually possible "any day now", but depends on goremint/Presidential actions. I looked into this...

Currently NDA strength is 117/241 (remaining 4 J&K seats will be vacant for the foreseeable future).

There are no more scheduled RS elections in 2022 (correct me if wrong). What is left is:

- 7 nominated seat vacancies.
- 1 vacant seat in Tripura. Given that state assembly composition, goremint can fill the seat unopposed.

So, assuming the goremint will nominate BJP members (or independents allied with BJP), a majority of 125/241 is possible "any day now".

It is not clear whether goremint will complete these processes before the Presidential election in July, or leave it for after. Maybe they are taking time to get reliable nominees, since they don't have a voting role in the Presidential election anyway. They will obviously have an important voting role in the upcoming Sansad sessions.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Jun 2022 22:06

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 11 Jun 2022 22:57

WA

India is very lenient with the mobs.

In the US, a threatening movement towards a cop will instantly invite a salvo of 9mm bullets.

Here, cops put up w/stone-pelting ad infinitum.

One of the biggest flaws of the Indian state is to not assert its sole monopoly over violence.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 11 Jun 2022 23:53

chetak wrote:WA

India is very lenient with the mobs.
In the US, a threatening movement towards a cop will instantly invite a salvo of 9mm bullets.
Here, cops put up w/stone-pelting ad infinitum.
One of the biggest flaws of the Indian state is to not assert its sole monopoly over violence.

Today, a deputy was shot in Georgia at an apartment complex. There are at least 20 police cars surrounding the complex. Temporary police check posts were setup at all roads around the complex and every automobile going in or out is being checked. All this after the suspect has been taken into custody. Shockinaw only.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 12 Jun 2022 00:01

^^^

India for some reason, does not, or is not able to, make this fact clear i.e similar protests in the US(to what's happening in India currently) would be met with bullets without many questions asked. Particularly not when the policemen in question are injured in rock pelting etc.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jun 2022 00:18

KER gold smuggling case

@pratheesh_Hind

This one conversation summarises political situation of Kerala. A media person being threatened by Kerala CM's brother's son for giving news agnst @pinarayivijayan.

He indirectly threatens to k!ll.

Just imagine wat would hv been the national uproar if it hpnd in BJP ruled state.

WATCH VIDEO

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 12 Jun 2022 01:37

For chetak sir only as its news about his idol onlee

A little birdie told me that his photo adorns chetak saar’s desk….

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/busin ... 62491.html

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 12 Jun 2022 01:40

Varoon Shekhar wrote:^^^

India for some reason, does not, or is not able to, make this fact clear i.e similar protests in the US(to what's happening in India currently) would be met with bullets without many questions asked. Particularly not when the policemen in question are injured in rock pelting etc.

To be honest the US is the last nation to act as a role model in policing. US police are racist, inept and on a power trip that literally shoot anything that moves at the slightest provocation.

India is at the other end of the scale where the police are made to suffer any nonsense from the public.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 12 Jun 2022 03:51

^^
Saar
That is Democracy Land of the Free type
And ours is Sikular Type onleee

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 12 Jun 2022 04:07

Rsatchi wrote:^^
Saar
That is Democracy Land of the Free type
And ours is Sikular Type onleee

Look at the truckers protest in Kaneda. Bank accounts fete frozen in a jiffy

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 12 Jun 2022 05:00

Aditya_V wrote:The Brain and Heart of BIF is outside India.

Add their wealth/funds to the above list.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 12 Jun 2022 08:57

Meanwhile in Oudh, a babaji is busy teaching lesson to rioters

Prophet row: Property linked to Kanpur violence accused bulldozed

A week after Kanpur witnessed chaotic protests marred by stone pelting, the Kanpur Development Authority on Saturday demolished a multi-storey building allegedly owned by a close aide of the main accused in the incident, police said.

Police also arrested one Nizam Qureshi, who officials claim is another mastermind of the June 3 violence. Qureshi was among the 36 accused whose names were mentioned in the FIR lodged soon after the violence, a police official said.

Kanpur's Joint Commissioner of Police (Law and Order) Anand Prakash Tiwari confirmed the arrest.

"Nizam Qureshi has been arrested from Kanpur in connection with the June 3 incident," the officer said, adding that the accused had gone underground since the violence took place.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 12 Jun 2022 18:23

Guru-log,
Is there anyway to get hold of the original video of NS debate which sparked the peace-fools' unrest?
(Sorry, I might have missed it if it had been shared earlier.)
Thanks in advance.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jun 2022 18:43

@tanvi_madan
"'There is growing concern in Washington that if India doesn’t change course, it’s going to be harder to make the differentiation why a partnership with India is of value when trying to deal with an authoritarian China,’ a US official told me in light of the Pegasus scandal"

@tanvi_madan is a senior Fellow @BrookingsInst.

can this tanvi clown explain why:

Ex-US Army General, Brookings Institution Head Probed For Helping Qatar Influence US Foreign Policy

JUNE 08, 2022,

The FBI has seized the electronic data of a retired four-star general who authorities say made false statements and withheld “incriminating" documents about his role in an illegal foreign lobbying campaign on behalf of the wealthy Persian Gulf nation of Qatar.

New federal court filings obtained Tuesday outlined a potential criminal case against former Marine Gen. John R. Allen, who led US and NATO forces in Afghanistan before being tapped in 2017 to lead the influential Brookings Institution think tank.

https://www.news18.com/news/world/ex-us ... 30923.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brookings- ... fbi-probe/

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 12 Jun 2022 18:57

Or, the original video / message of what Naveen Jindal said?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jun 2022 19:08

Kati wrote:Guru-log,
Is there anyway to get hold of the original video of NS debate which sparked the peace-fools' unrest?
(Sorry, I might have missed it if it had been shared earlier.)
Thanks in advance.

check this out. It has the gist

https://twitter.com/ImtiazMadmood/statu ... -P2tAqAAAA

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 12 Jun 2022 20:13

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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 Jun 2022 20:24

self deleted

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 12 Jun 2022 20:35

Chetakji
Sure
Will delete the post
Thanks

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 12 Jun 2022 20:54

Kati wrote:Or, the original video / message of what Naveen Jindal said?

No. Original video is removed from times now. However edited video is there on zoo bear tweet. That was the start of this issue.

Summary is NS told bukari 5133 without quoting referance. That is also ok. But the biggest reason for blasphemy is she used ordinary English, "Mo had SEX with Aisha at age of 9" instead of Quranic English " Mohammad (puba) CONSUMMATE aisha at the age of 9"

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 12 Jun 2022 21:41

Truly a zaahil quam and for once, thanks Zakir Naik

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 12 Jun 2022 23:54

RWs are upset because IMs have now perfected the strategy of using street protests, violence to make Indian state bow down or be silent. Many PIO libs on Twitter are encouraging IMs to hit back hard (read more violence if necessary) since if they don't it now, Indian state (read UP Govt.) will continue to suppress them and erode their rights further.

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 13 Jun 2022 02:26

Indian police is quite good at supressing, brutalizing and liquidating dissenters who do not belong to a certain religion. Look at yesterday's scenario.

A Bengali Hindu girl from a small town in Murshidabad posts on Facebook asking those rioting to migrate to Shantidoot countries.

Murshidabad is a Shantidoot dominated district incorporated into WB by surrendering Hindu majority districts to East Pakistan in 1947. But that's a digression.....

Shantidoots track her post and I presume she out of naivete might have had shantidoot followers in her FB profile; shantidoot followers most likely kept her as a future prey for lj. Which opens up something quite sinister - female profiles are being watched for future action. She most likely did not have any privacy filters.

Shantidoots storm the local police station, stone the police and force the police to arrest her - because she had hurt shantidoot sentiments.

The police arrest the girl, take her photograph and splash the photo is all over the internet for millions of shantidoots and others to see.

So what is the take-away here.

Shantidoots not only have a sophisticated network internationally but also have developed a very robust net internally across small towns so that within a very very short time, organized rage boys storm the streets and de-stabilize the country. The police is complicit in this crime, since higher level officers are busy grovelling at the feet of the mantri-ji and abjectly surrendering to hurt sentiments of shantidoot community. The constables are mostly mute spectators during the mayhem or get stoned. Total neutering of the force.

However, when it comes to brutalizing the weak belonging to other religion, they are in cohorts with shantidoots; quickest and harshest action is undertaken.

The girl's future is sealed; if she is able to come out of jail, most likely the family will flee their village to a bigger city and live in slums, if they are lucky.....Their property will be usurped by shantidoots.

So the modus operandi is very efficient; time and again it will be applied and will eventually deplete the villages of the Hindu population.

While the BJP offices burn in Bengal there is total silence from the top.

I noticed something interesting - this may be wrong but during the press meet two days back mamtaj begum mentioned something like "do you guys want to kill me?". Was it was a Freudian slip? Has mamtaj started seeing her end?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 13 Jun 2022 02:37

Zaahil?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 13 Jun 2022 03:42

Rudradev wrote:
…

Given that position, Nupur saying something that wasn't pre-approved is like a soldier or a JCO going rogue on his own initiative, regardless of orders. It doesn't matter how brave or heroic that JCO's actions may be. Disregarding orders threatens operational security by adding an unexpected element of uncertainty, and potentially undermines the army's plans affecting multiple units across multiple dimensions. In such a situation, a court martial is warranted.

Everything else is spin. The GOI has found itself having to take extremely suboptimal and degrading measures to salvage the situation, only because they were caught by surprise. Nupur Sharma obviously deserves the highest category of security, and the Islamists and their left-wing cohorts need to face the full consequences of inciting death- or rape-threats (that, at the very least, I hope will happen). But BJP removing her from the position of spokesperson was unavoidable, IMO-- in fact, they should have done it before the Islamists could claim the credit for pressuring GOI by mobilizing Arab countries against India.

While agreeing with your points, I have to say that Modi sarkar is exhibiting very costly symptoms of political incompetence.

In this case, as well as in the case of so-called Farmers agitation, and the prior CAA agitation GoI has waited till there is intense external pressure and threats of major loss to capitulate. That’s not too strong a word for it, and the costs—teaching the enemy that GoI will capitulate once there is enough pressure, are huge, and the consequences are very dangerous to peace, well-being and stability.

In the present case, Nupur Sharma & Jindal spoke in such a way as to undermine both the party’s stated position as well as basic governance. The high command could have, and should have, taken immediate action against them. By waiting till we are threatened by Muslim countries, they are sending a doubly damaging message: 1. We are not sincere about our commitment to respecting all religions, hence all the noise about GoI being Hundu-fascist is justified and 2. We are weak and give in the moment someone pushes back seriously.

With “Farmers’” agitation, there was plenty of opportunity throughout to communicate the benefits of the changes in the law, and also to project a clear & consistent stand. This is not the first time a law passed by Parliament has been challenged on the streets and they should have had a playbook for it. Instead the response was left to low level operatives who were not qualified.

The CAA agitation was another disaster: this was such an easy humanitarian case to make and no one made it. Once again, low-level, untrained, unfit operatives were left free to vent their impulsive responses. All of which did more harm than good.

On this forum & elsewhere I have always pleaded for understanding of the challenges Modi faces, challenges which circumscribe his actions. That still remains true, but he is failing to make the needed institutional corrections to ensure that bad decision making and their bad consequences are not repeated over & over.

It is true that Modi has repeatedly asked his party members to talk less and act more. It is also been very clear that they haven’t understood the message, and haven’t taken it seriously. It’s long past time for him (since only he seems to have any degree of leadership & managerial wisdom) to reform his party institutional culture. India is paying the price of his neglect in this matter.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 13 Jun 2022 04:05

Cyrano wrote:Did all of you notice in the massive global indignation on Nupur Sharma's comments there is ZERO discussion on the actual comments itself? The muslims claim it's an insult and the RoW accepts it on face value without ever questioning WHY is it an insult. That's the trick BJP missed, and many others too. Why is it insulting to quote muslim texts and scholars verbatim? That's IMO the right way to defend NS and others who speak out, which BJP could have done in a number of ways cleverly without getting directly involved. If you take the debate there, the defenders of RoP will deflate and scurry away. Oh well...

You know the answer as well as I do.

The insult is not due to the facts about PBUH but due to the fact lowly kafirs / mushriks / bhuta-parasts have shown the audacity to state the facts about PBUH.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 13 Jun 2022 04:14

This thread reads like an old LP that's in constant loop.

Code: Select all

Outrage -> BiFs create mayhem -> Govt does nothing -> People (read Hindus) die -> News dies -> Outrage...

Clearly, BJP sees no merit in controlling these actions. Amit Shah is a disgrace as an HM and constantly busy in elections.