India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 26 Jun 2023 05:16

India should invite Obama’s Kenyan brother who has some choice words for bomber.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Jun 2023 05:19

^^ I can bet 100% that Arun Poorie gang will call him for next India Today conclave.

Most of the American intervention in India is because of our own internal traitors led by the Gandoo gang

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Jun 2023 05:29

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Jun 2023 06:17

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 26 Jun 2023 07:34

Zeihan claims that India has realized Russia isn't going to help it develop BrahMos-2.
Is this true?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 26 Jun 2023 08:58

This chap is supposedly a professor of international relations in some US University.

I have been watching his comments for some time.

It's a whole lot of hot air. Perhaps enough to keep Europe warm in the winter.

disha · Post by **disha** » 26 Jun 2023 10:15

vijayk wrote:Salvatore Babones interview with Darkha Butt

Vijayk'ji, a humble request from moi, please do not link any video of Darkha Butt where traffic is sent to her and she makes money. She is the one who caused death of our own braves. The least we can do is send her any traffic.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 26 Jun 2023 15:47

disha wrote:
vijayk wrote:Salvatore Babones interview with Darkha Butt
Vijayk'ji, a humble request from moi, please do not link any video of Darkha Butt where traffic is sent to her and she makes money. She is the one who caused death of our own braves. The least we can do is send her any traffic.

Please refer to her appropriately: Barkn Mutt

RaviB · Post by **RaviB** » 26 Jun 2023 16:07

The reason we are getting such a warm welcome is that we are de facto militarily supporting USA against China, without actually being in an alliance. In fact, the most effectively of all potential allies. The Americans get this. India keeps away many Chinese soldiers from the Taiwan theatre, for our own reasons. Those Chinese soldiers in Tibet can't be sent anywhere else. That's also the reason for the GE engines. Every Indian airframe keeps one Chinese airframe away from the Taiwan theatre.

Nobody in Washington expects India to be an ally and send our troops to die protecting Taiwan. But whatever we do in our own interest helps the USA, in fact a lot more than whatever allies like South Korea and Japan would bring to the table.

As long as Taiwan keeps simmering, we will benefit. If PLA is committed to invading Taiwan, it will open an opportunity for us to expand our claims along the LAC. If they actually invade, PLA soldiers will die and even if they win, they will be fighting an Uncle sponsored insurgency for the next 20 years.

IMO Taiwan is the key to understanding India-US partnership. Everyone is preparing for 2027 and whatever comes after.

AshishA · Post by **AshishA** » 26 Jun 2023 17:07

RaviB wrote:The reason we are getting such a warm welcome is that we are de facto militarily supporting USA against China, without actually being in an alliance. In fact, the most effectively of all potential allies. The Americans get this. India keeps away many Chinese soldiers from the Taiwan theatre, for our own reasons. Those Chinese soldiers in Tibet can't be sent anywhere else. That's also the reason for the GE engines. Every Indian airframe keeps one Chinese airframe away from the Taiwan theatre.

Nobody in Washington expects India to be an ally and send our troops to die protecting Taiwan. But whatever we do in our own interest helps the USA, in fact a lot more than whatever allies like South Korea and Japan would bring to the table.

As long as Taiwan keeps simmering, we will benefit. If PLA is committed to invading Taiwan, it will open an opportunity for us to expand our claims along the LAC. If they actually invade, PLA soldiers will die and even if they win, they will be fighting an Uncle sponsored insurgency for the next 20 years.

IMO Taiwan is the key to understanding India-US partnership. Everyone is preparing for 2027 and whatever comes after.

So for a Taiwan war to happen, Chinese need to disengage across the LAC? Since in winter, it's almost impossible to fight there, that's the time they might go back to fighting the Taiwan.

We need to play both sides. Go to the talks with Chinese to withdraw once in a while to keep US on edge. Keep getting the most out of US to keep Chinese on edge. 2024 elections is going to be critical.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Jun 2023 22:07

bala · Post by **bala** » 26 Jun 2023 22:30

Some defense of Obummer from another American sociologist, saying the rest of America, American thinktanks, American media, US State dept, even the holocaust museum in America spouts the same old tired line that Muslims are in katharnak in India.. not to mention the Christians. However parsis and jews do not complain about India. Pew research however says that most muslims are happy about India and its democratic institutions and they have the right to freely express themselves.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 27 Jun 2023 02:31

Obama did not think second order effects. He is setting up the US to be cross-examined on some critical vulnerabilities.

Let sleeping dogs lie.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Jun 2023 03:15

bala wrote:Some defense of Obummer from another American sociologist, saying the rest of America, American thinktanks, American media, US State dept, even the holocaust museum in America spouts the same old tired line that Muslims are in katharnak in India.. not to mention the Christians. However parsis and jews do not complain about India. Pew research however says that most muslims are happy about India and its democratic institutions and they have the right to freely express themselves.

Lets pay attention to what Babones is saying ...

Why don't we ask them what data do you have to to say something stupid like that.
Why don't we point to data like Pew research and point to fallacy.
Why don't we produce data that we collect. We had data riots which shows riots went down.
Why are we letting them define us?

Flowery language doesn't change opinions. Hard data as Prof.Babones is saying has to be put forward.

https://twitter.com/ShamikaRavi/status/ ... 2476328960

Riots (violence) in India is on a steady decline. The country is most peaceful in 50 years. Here’s the updated analysis using NCRB data

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Jun 2023 05:28

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 27 Jun 2023 05:31

For many years, India's diplomatic speak was to not respond to these kind of innuendo to avoid giving them credibility. Like shiv saar would have said these are "when did you stop beating your wife?" type questions. But when our own data shows what it does, then expect GoI to give it back... won't take too long.
Modi answered as politely he could out of courtesy to his host. But his irritation was clear when he took off his ear bud before replying. ie no scope for follow ups and back n forth that routinely happens in WH briefings.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 27 Jun 2023 06:13

Looks like Ms. Siddiqui faced online "challenges" to her journalistic entitlement after questioning PM Modi on the made-up non-existant human rights issue. Promptly she jumps on to victim bandwagon and asks mommy-WH for cover. The expectation they are the only chosen ones to "question", and they cannot be called out on their biases is simply astounding.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wh ... 2039b&ei=8

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Jun 2023 07:09

Victim card is always in the back pocket of these filthy entitled garbage scums

williams · Post by **williams** » 27 Jun 2023 11:21

vijayk wrote:
Lets pay attention to what Babones is saying ...

Why don't we ask them what data do you have to to say something stupid like that.
Why don't we point to data like Pew research and point to fallacy.
Why don't we produce data that we collect. We had data riots which shows riots went down.
Why are we letting them define us?

Flowery language doesn't change opinions. Hard data as Prof.Babones is saying has to be put forward.
...
Riots (violence) in India are on a steady decline. The country is the most peaceful in 50 years. Here’s the updated analysis using NCRB data

It is a complete waste of time to argue. I showed the very same data to one of the NRI peaceful (not a Muslim BTW). He said, the data actually proves minorities are scared and they don't pursue riots anymore. What can you say

Their issue is not minorities are discriminated against. Their issue is minorities get scared under a majority rule and you somehow need to reassure them with additional appeasement policies.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Jun 2023 11:39

krithivas wrote:Looks like Ms. Siddiqui faced online "challenges" to her journalistic entitlement after questioning PM Modi on the made-up non-existant human rights issue. Promptly she jumps on to victim bandwagon and asks mommy-WH for cover. The expectation they are the only chosen ones to "question", and they cannot be called out on their biases is simply astounding.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wh ... 2039b&ei=8

this entitled example of paki journalistic excretion seems to be running to the WH with all her problems, just like her demented country

@SabrinaSiddiqui·Mar 8

When I found out I would be one of just two journalists traveling with President Biden to Ukraine, my first question for the White House was how I would be able to pump. # going to Kyiv fresh off maternity leave

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 27 Jun 2023 12:42

The way to reassure is to allow riots and bombings all over the country - sorry sir!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Jun 2023 18:14

It is equally a right of common folks to question a journalist, everybody has rights. What has democracy got to do with criticism against this lady's loaded question by those who think that she is biased?

This Pakistani lady was specifically chosen by the WH to needle Indians. This is the kind of provocation that the Americans think they can play effectively. But, they are going to be mistaken. When Biden comes to India we should arrange a Press Meet with a Russian journalist questioning him.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Jun 2023 18:17

williams wrote:
vijayk wrote:
Lets pay attention to what Babones is saying ...

Why don't we ask them what data do you have to to say something stupid like that.
Why don't we point to data like Pew research and point to fallacy.
Why don't we produce data that we collect. We had data riots which shows riots went down.
Why are we letting them define us?

Flowery language doesn't change opinions. Hard data as Prof.Babones is saying has to be put forward.
...
Riots (violence) in India are on a steady decline. The country is the most peaceful in 50 years. Here’s the updated analysis using NCRB data
It is a complete waste of time to argue. I showed the very same data to one of the NRI peaceful (not a Muslim BTW). He said, the data actually proves minorities are scared and they don't pursue riots anymore. What can you say

Their issue is not minorities are discriminated against. Their issue is minorities get scared under a majority rule and you somehow need to reassure them with additional appeasement policies.

This argument is to expose these journalists and make sure that they are expose in front of everyone

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Jun 2023 21:45

they are slowly learning

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Jun 2023 21:48

SSridhar wrote:It is equally a right of common folks to question a journalist, everybody has rights. What has democracy got to do with criticism against this lady's loaded question by those who think that she is biased?

This Pakistani lady was specifically chosen by the WH to needle Indians. This is the kind of provocation that the Americans think they can play effectively. But, they are going to be mistaken. When Biden comes to India we should arrange a Press Meet with a Russian journalist questioning him.

WA

Forces that wanted to ambush India's PM at the WH press conference made a tactical blunder by planting a covert islamist.

Smart thing would have been to ask the same question through a Gora big name journalist. But then hatred is such thing that makes them blind

Catherine Lucey is WSJ's White House correspondent.

Why did WSJ depute Sabrina, instead of her, to pose a question to the Indian PM?

@catherine_lucey·Jun 27

“The Wall Street Journal’s Sabrina Siddiqui is a respected journalist known for her integrity and unbiased reporting,” the Journal said in a statement Monday. “This harassment of our reporter is unacceptable, and we strongly condemn it.”

Her question smacked of the same sly motivated agenda as "when did you stop beating your wife"

sabrina is the “Great-Great grand-daughter of Sir Syed Ahmad Khan

Sir Syed Ahmed Khan was no ordinary Islamic scholar but a bigoted and radical cleric, baying for the blood of Hindus

The rotten apple doesn't fall far from the diseased tree

@SabrinaSiddiqui wouldn't dare ask this question about pak Hindu minorities to the paki PM. (he'd probably have snatched away her umbrella)

That's the point everyone is making.

You can address that or continue with your virtue signaling

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Jun 2023 23:31

@AndrewRestuccia·Jun 27

NEW: The White House is pushing back forcefully against those who are harassing @SabrinaSiddiqui for asking PM Modi a fair and straightforward question about human rights last week.

NSC’s John Kirby calls it “completely unacceptable” and antithetical to Democracy

@rahulroushan

Andrew, a research by MMATBD reveals that you regularly (3.7 times a week on average) visit brothels, are accused of having violent sex with prostitutes, and have slapped your wife in public at least twice.

What steps are you taking to control your libido and misogyny?

Don't get mad, this is just a question in Sabrina style.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 28 Jun 2023 23:33

They already have started their virulent hate propaganda against any and all Hindu volunteer organization in the USA such as HSS, Seva, Seva International etc. Hindus of today are different to the Hindus of 1947. Ms. Siddiqui the Pakistani American squealed because her journalistic kitchen is getting hotter. Hindus are woiking finally!

chetak wrote:they are slowly learning

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 29 Jun 2023 00:05

https://news.sky.com/video/us-president ... d-12911258

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 29 Jun 2023 07:00

You tube and the newspapers are full of stories that says that there were irregularities in the drone deal and that India is paying too much to Khan. Even China, that great well wisher of India, says the same. This could be a repeat of the Rafael deal story when Pappuji claimed that there was corruption with the Chaukidar. The opposition does not have much traction for the coming general election in 2024 and could be on a fishing expedition.
Gautam

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 29 Jun 2023 07:22

https://sundayguardianlive.com/top-five ... artnership
Xi fails to derail the Biden, Modi strategic partnership
Madhav Nalapat, June 25, 2023
The US President made it clear on and offscreen that he and Modi were on the same page where the need for a lasting and comprehensive India-US partnership to meet the threats faced by the international community in the 21st century was concerned.
Planning for a State Visit by Prime Minister Narendra Modi to the United States had been ongoing since the beginning of the year, and this triggered an intense effort by the Sino-Wahabi lobby in the US to seek to have the visit put off indefinitely.
Almost all the media outlets that supported US President Biden launched increasingly acerbic broadsides about how there was “discrimination against minorities by the Modi government”.
No hint was given in their columns of the reality that every welfare scheme of the Modi government was applicable across the board to all citizens, irrespective of which religion they were born into. Repeated assertions that the world’s biggest democracy had morphed into an autocracy were made, ignoring the fact that the BJP has lost at least seventeen state Assembly elections to opposition parties, the latest being Karnataka.
A BBC presenter, spoke on 24 June morning of the unequal treatment given to “different ethnicities” by the Modi government, implying once again the Jinnah-Churchill canard that Hindus and Muslims were two nations, when in fact they have common ancestral roots at least where the Indian subcontinent is concerned. Despite a multiplication of such efforts as the 21-23 June State Visit drew closer, barely a handful of US Senators and Representatives joined in the boycott call given by lobbies eager to torpedo an India-US partnership that has been shown to have come of age during the Modi visit. Superbly assisted by First Lady Jill Biden, the US President made it clear on and offscreen that he and Modi were on the same page where the need for a lasting and comprehensive India-US partnership to meet the threats faced by the international community in the 21st century were concerned. In the past, the Indian side in particular (driven by remnants of Lutyens Logic still floating around South and North Blocks) was chary of drawing attention to the military to military aspects of India-US (or in the words of Prime Minister Modi to the US Congress, America-India or AI). Under the gentle prodding of the Prime Minister, that reserve was abandoned, and the defence aspects of America-India were brought out into the open.
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XI IS PREPARING FOR CONFLICT
Credible sources linked to the Secretariat of the CCP General Secretary and the CMC claim that extensive planning for war has been ongoing within the PLA and the “civilian” entities affiliated to it, most extensively about the occupation of Taiwan and the extinguishing of its existence as an independent country by 2027, the close of the third 5-year term of General Secretary Xi. At the same time as such planning is going on, teams of academics and officials connected with Taiwan affairs in the CCP have been fanning out across the globe assuring interlocutors that the PLA has no intention of invading Taiwan “unless a declaration of independence gets made”. Aware of such reports, even William Lai, who is the ruling DPP candidate for the 2024 Presidential elections, has reversed earlier calls for declaring independence and is now saying that there is no reason to openly declare what is already a fact, namely that Taiwan is a free country in all but nomenclature. The problem is that those conveying the reassuring message that the PLA will be on a leash are either unaware of the military stance or are deliberately seeking to mislead foreign audiences. During 2018 and 2019 in particular, there were popular demonstrations within the metropolis against tightened CCP control over Hong Kong institutions. Those in favour of continued autonomy were far more in number than those who sought full CCP control. Xi gave orders to walk away from the 1998 vow by the CCP that the Hong Kong Special Autonomous Region would have its own system of governance and not follow that in Mainland China. Since then, those fighting for autonomy have been either jailed or driven out of Hong Kong to foreign shores, and any show of dissent has been quelled by a once professional (rather than ideological) police force and judiciary.
CCP PLANS TO ‘RE-EDUCATE’ The TAIWANESE
The CCP has worked out a plan for the “re-education” of Taiwan once the PLA seizes the island, that would involve the sending to Xinjiang-style concentration camps of large numbers of Taiwanese citizens who through their social media posts and writings have been known to favour outright independence. The CMC is planning to set up “Taiwan Shock Brigades” as PLA auxiliaries from the island military, and the function of such formations would be to get used as cannon fodder in any future kinetic conflict, most likely with Japan and the US in the Taiwan theatre of operations. Such planning is similar to that employed by Chairman Mao in the Korean War of the 1950s, when former KMT soldiers who fell into PLA hands were mobilised and sent into the first waves to battle US forces and of course, to mostly perish. Academics and officials would be “re-educated” in the way many CCP cadres were “re-educated” by the Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution. Leading figures who were defiant in the face of PRC efforts at intimidation and conquest, principally President Tsai Ing-wen and Vice-President William Lai would meet the same fate as Daw Aung San Suu Kyi has at the hands of the Myanmar military, of being incarcerated and made to disappear from public contact. Extensive work has taken place in planning for both the takeover of Taiwan and its aftermath, and war plans have been readied that could be put into operation within six weeks of CMC Chairman Xi giving the go ahead for the same. Since 2019, the PRC has steadily widened its Zone of Control around Taiwan, both at sea and in the waters. The PLA is steadily expanding this zone, and in August 2022, just after Speaker Nancy Pelosi left Taipei after her visit, nearly 83% of the island was blockaded by the PLA, both as a test of its capability and as a way of finding out the reaction of Japan and the US to such an aggressive action. There was none. Indeed, US warships moved further away from Taiwanese waters as the PLA Navy and PLA Air Force were implementing their trial blockade. Even the large fleet of US vessels that was in the region for the RIMPAC moved away from rather than towards the Chinese warships and aircraft. Since then, both PLA naval vessels and aircraft have been steadily expanding the Zone of Activity (and therefore in effect control) inside both the waters and air space of Taiwan, with no reaction from Washington except for symbolic gestures such as USN vessels moving through the Taiwan Straits every now and then.
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Gautam

Vadivel · Post by **Vadivel** » 29 Jun 2023 17:07

Lt Colonel Pavithra Rajan is saying that the US changed the GPS locations of garmin handsets during Kargil war, shocking

[youtube]KS6ONT3i0m4&t=3800s[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6ONT3i0m4&t=3800s

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 29 Jun 2023 17:18

Vadivel wrote:Lt Colonel Pavithra Rajan is saying that the US changed the GPS locations of garmin handsets during Kargil war, shocking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6ONT3i0m4&t=3800s

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Jun 2023 17:37

g.sarkar wrote:You tube and the newspapers are full of stories that says that there were irregularities in the drone deal and that India is paying too much to Khan. Even China, that great well wisher of India, says the same. This could be a repeat of the Rafael deal story when Pappuji claimed that there was corruption with the Chaukidar. The opposition does not have much traction for the coming general election in 2024 and could be on a fishing expedition.
Gautam

Gautam ji

It's another toolkit

It is being coordinated very well with the cheen who are also saying the same thing, hoping to ensure that this narrative gains traction in India

the cheeni angle may be a bit different in that they may be very keen on discovering the details of the specific customization of the reapers sold to India, which some idiot in the know, and his presstitute "contacts" are bound to spill... sooner, rather than later...

But for now, the cheen narrative supports the congi play that there is some dirty work at the crossroads, and that corruption, at the highest levels (on both sides), is involved.

Let's see how the amrikis respond, if at all

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jun 2023 17:44

chetak wrote:sabrina is the “Great-Great grand-daughter of Sir Syed Ahmad Khan

Sir Syed Ahmed Khan was no ordinary Islamic scholar but a bigoted and radical cleric, baying for the blood of Hindus

Aha, now the connections are falling into place.

Among the Muslim delegation that called on Lord Minto was the founder of the Aligarh Muslim University, Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, who said “No Mohammedan can say that the English are not ‘people of the Book’. No Mohammedan can deny this: that God has said that no people of other religions can be friends of Mohammedans except the Christians. . . . Now God has made them rulers over us. Therefore we should cultivate friendship with them, and should adopt that method by which their rule may remain permanent and firm in India, and may not pass into the hands of the Bengalis. This is our true friendship with our Christian rulers . . . for we do not want to become subjects of the Hindus instead of the subjects of the people of the Book."

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Jun 2023 17:44

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Jun 2023 17:54

SSridhar wrote:
chetak wrote:sabrina is the “Great-Great grand-daughter of Sir Syed Ahmad Khan

Sir Syed Ahmed Khan was no ordinary Islamic scholar but a bigoted and radical cleric, baying for the blood of Hindus
Aha, now the connections are falling into place.

Among the Muslim delegation that called on Lord Minto was the founder of the Aligarh Muslim University, Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, who said “No Mohammedan can say that the English are not ‘people of the Book’. No Mohammedan can deny this: that God has said that no people of other religions can be friends of Mohammedans except the Christians. . . . Now God has made them rulers over us. Therefore we should cultivate friendship with them, and should adopt that method by which their rule may remain permanent and firm in India, and may not pass into the hands of the Bengalis. This is our true friendship with our Christian rulers . . . for we do not want to become subjects of the Hindus instead of the subjects of the people of the Book."

she is also an involved member of the “American Muslim Institution”....

sabrina siddiqui has been quite involved with “American Muslim Institution”, an organization which has hosted Anti-India events in the past.

AMI has also been linked with IAMC - an organization which has lobbied against India since years.

IAMC is the same organization that also hosted pappu when he visited amrika recently

wheels within wheels.........

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 29 Jun 2023 22:09

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 30 Jun 2023 04:53

Congress Alleges Corruption in Drone Deal. What’s The Truth? | TCD English | Major Gaurav Arya

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Gautam

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 30 Jun 2023 21:12

https://twitter.com/rohanduaT02/status/ ... 0896180224

https://twitter.com/rohanduaT02/status/ ... 1535660038

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Jul 2023 16:07

what game are they playing now....

"Two officials in ministries handling the issue confirmed that the proposal for setting up an assembly line for F-16 fighters in India was discussed during PM Modi’s visit to the US earlier this month."

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 580799.ece