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There's a part of me that is proud of the fact that a person of jewish ancestry could rise to the highest office in the land that also had the Dreyfuss affair.

However, i am even more worried. Because now, every failing of his will be blamed on the fact that he is jewish.
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This will impact the previously held French stance on Iran.
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Indian visitors attacked in Eastern Germany

By Judy Dempsey
Published: August 20, 2007


BERLIN: Dozens of young Germans attacked a group of Indian visitors to a village in the eastern state of Saxony over the weekend, chasing them through the streets and smashing up the restaurant where the Indians had taken refuge, the local police confirmed Monday.

The incident, which took place Saturday in Mügeln, about 45 kilometers, or 28 miles, east of Leipzig, was witnessed by a large crowd, which apparently did not take any action to stop the attack against the eight Indians. The Saxony police did not release news of the attack until late Sunday. "We are not ruling out a xenophobic motive," said the police chief of Saxony, Bernd Merbitz.

Saxony has a small but growing far-right movement that supports the National Democratic Party. The party has been represented in the regional legislature since the 2005 elections. Brandenburg, another eastern state, also has a far-right movement that is represented in the regional legislature.

According to the police in Saxony, more than 70 police officers were needed to stop the violence. In addition to the Indians, four Germans, including two police officers, were injured. Other details about the Indians were not immediately available. The authorities have called for an investigation. As yet, there have been no arrests.

The cause of the attack on the Indians, who had been invited to a festival, is unclear. Late Saturday, a scuffle broke out in the festival tent and about 50 youths chased the eight Indians, chanting racist slogans, according to the Leipziger Volkszeitung, a regional newspaper. Reinhard Bottcher, chief of the local police, said he could not confirm whether the mob had shouted racist insults.

When the Indians fled to a pizzeria, the Germans smashed windowpanes and damaged the pizzeria owner's car. "If the police had not come, something much worse might have happened," the Leipziger Volkszeitung quoted the owner as saying.

Gotthard Deuse, mayor of Mügeln, was quoted by the paper as saying that the incident had been racially motivated and that rightist slogans had been chanted. Bottcher said he thought alcohol might have played a role.

There is growing concern on the part of some German politicians about the increasing number of attacks by rightists. Two months ago, some actors were beaten by skinheads in Brandenburg, an incident in which the police were sharply criticized for not having responded quickly enough.

During a debate in May in the Bundestag, the lower house of Parliament, politicians called on Chancellor Angela Merkel's coalition government of conservatives and Social Democrats to do more to curb extremism. The debate coincided with a similar debate in Saxony's regional legislature after Holger Apfel, a legislator belonging to the National Democratic Party, vented racist insults against foreigners.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/20/ ... ermany.php
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How can we allow ourselves to get chased around like this? Dont these pathetic countries get it - we are the future. They risk chasing us out at their own peril. Maybe its just as well, we'll stay at home and make our country strong.

Unacceptable.
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Come on now, what's with the ill-considered garam hawa?

Who are "they" and "these countries"?

And do "we" become a "pathetic country" every time an incident takes place?

Neo-nazism is one more social disease to be dealt with along with Islamofascism. It also happens to be a specifically European disease.

By all means, rub in these incidents every time those sanctimonious elements among Europeans attempt to lecture India on social issues.

But it would be a good idea to cut out the ill-considered generalizations, abuse and assorted hot air rhetoric.
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Igorr wrote:Indian visitors attacked in Eastern Germany

By Judy Dempsey
Published: August 20, 2007


BERLIN: Dozens of young Germans attacked a group of Indian visitors to a village in the eastern state of Saxony over the weekend, chasing them through the streets and smashing up the restaurant where the Indians had taken refuge, the local police confirmed Monday.

The incident, which took place Saturday in Mügeln, about 45 kilometers, or 28 miles, east of Leipzig, was witnessed by a large crowd, which apparently did not take any action to stop the attack against the eight Indians. The Saxony police did not release news of the attack until late Sunday. "We are not ruling out a xenophobic motive," said the police chief of Saxony, Bernd Merbitz.

Saxony has a small but growing far-right movement that supports the National Democratic Party. The party has been represented in the regional legislature since the 2005 elections. Brandenburg, another eastern state, also has a far-right movement that is represented in the regional legislature.

According to the police in Saxony, more than 70 police officers were needed to stop the violence. In addition to the Indians, four Germans, including two police officers, were injured. Other details about the Indians were not immediately available. The authorities have called for an investigation. As yet, there have been no arrests.

The cause of the attack on the Indians, who had been invited to a festival, is unclear. Late Saturday, a scuffle broke out in the festival tent and about 50 youths chased the eight Indians, chanting racist slogans, according to the Leipziger Volkszeitung, a regional newspaper. Reinhard Bottcher, chief of the local police, said he could not confirm whether the mob had shouted racist insults.

When the Indians fled to a pizzeria, the Germans smashed windowpanes and damaged the pizzeria owner's car. "If the police had not come, something much worse might have happened," the Leipziger Volkszeitung quoted the owner as saying.

Gotthard Deuse, mayor of Mügeln, was quoted by the paper as saying that the incident had been racially motivated and that rightist slogans had been chanted. Bottcher said he thought alcohol might have played a role.

There is growing concern on the part of some German politicians about the increasing number of attacks by rightists. Two months ago, some actors were beaten by skinheads in Brandenburg, an incident in which the police were sharply criticized for not having responded quickly enough.

During a debate in May in the Bundestag, the lower house of Parliament, politicians called on Chancellor Angela Merkel's coalition government of conservatives and Social Democrats to do more to curb extremism. The debate coincided with a similar debate in Saxony's regional legislature after Holger Apfel, a legislator belonging to the National Democratic Party, vented racist insults against foreigners.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/20/ ... ermany.php

Where is f*** amnesty and f*** human rights groups of so called EU the Empire :oops: !!.
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kshirin wrote:How can we allow ourselves to get chased around like this? Dont these pathetic countries get it - we are the future. They risk chasing us out at their own peril. Maybe its just as well, we'll stay at home and make our country strong.

Unacceptable.
It was a usual bar brawl that the media built up into an 'attack on foreigners' because foreigners were involved. The Muegeln town was having some kind of festivity and there was this bar in the town where a bunch of Indians had a table all for themselves. They were armed with knives and after getting drunk they started misbehaving and molesting girls. When someone complained about this behaviour they threw a tantrum and hurled glasses and bottles. Soon after there was a brawl and in that a few got injured including a German who was severely injured.

Then this group retreated into a pizzeria which was hardly 50 metres away from the bar.

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Raju where did you get the news they had knives and started molesting
the local women ? none of the reports I read mention that. and why would
anyone try to hide it - germany doesnt suffer the disease of BBMB.

they look like delhi-haryana-punjab types who do manual and shopkeeper
type work trying to eke out a living.
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they were generally misbehaving after getting drunk and then it came to notice that one of the Indians involved in the brawl had a past criminal record and was being searched by police. They were also carrying knives as per impartial reports.
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Post by Singha »

I suppose its pointless to expect yindoos to hold as much beer n fried chicken
as the natives. our body mass is too small to absorb the enormous jugs I see on TV. calling them beer mugs is a mislabel...they are fullbore
jugs of 1 LTR each ?

I need to visit the KF Oktoberfest in palace ground this yr :)
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Post by kshirin »

Sad. You can rationalise away outrage but it is being felt widely all over Europe, with friends texting and expressing solidarity on this issue with their Indian colleagues and friends.

BTW there is more outrage in the German (at least English language) media than on BR at the unprovoked attacks on our countrymen, there is no sign that they were behaving boorishly or were drunk or were carrying knives. There seems to be collective guilt at this resurgence of racism and BTW there have been other racist attacks on Indians in Germany.

Its also shocking that when Indians are generally being welcomed in other countries, these prejudices continue in the heart of Europe.
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Raju

Once again - whats your basis for the claim you are making??
I am right now going through German newspaper sites with a German colleague and am not seeing your claim.
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eastern germany has a record of racist violence in recent times. also in germany there is a political resentment backdrop of jobs being exported to india. put the two together and i can see how local jugend might get carried away when beer is involved. either way there is more to this than meets the eye...
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but atleast Raju should mention his sources because none of us have
read about his pov.
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Sources for these allegations suggesting "we brought it upon ourselves" types.

And no, linkless copy-pastes from obscure blogs or conspiracy sites won't happen this time, hopefully.

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according toDer Spiegel...

it started as a 'normal beer tent fight' - although there is some suggestion that this was the first deliberate provocation, but then when the indians left the tent they were ambushed by a mob of quickly mobilised right wingers who then besieged the restaurant and there was a mini riot - mostly against the police. there is now a suggestion that the right wingers were planning an incident in this town for a few weeks.

one of the indians has been in germany 17 years. their main complaint that the police did not handle the incident well, nor were their injuries dealt with timely. police are frantically trying to play PR catch up and the entire republic is going through its usual angst about "we are nice people really, how could this happen?"

i think this is a case of wrong place wrong time - any foreigners would have acted as the catalyst for this incident. the mob were shouting 'foreigners out' and something like 'the resistance rules this region' - which is aimed more at the german gov't than indians per se

in the recent past a few african students have been murdered in eastern germany and there have been many low level violent incidents. something which is very rare in western germany.
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Singha, investigators believed both parties were involved in the brawl though finally right-wing mob had gathered after the brawl was over. Official media has given prominence to what happened after bar fight.

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland ... 30312.html
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deleted. OT.
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Lalmohan wrote:according toDer Spiegel...

i think this is a case of wrong place wrong time - any foreigners would have acted as the catalyst for this incident. the mob were shouting 'foreigners out' and something like 'the resistance rules this region' - which is aimed more at the german gov't than indians per se

in the recent past a few african students have been murdered in eastern germany and there have been many low level violent incidents. something which is very rare in western germany.
Hmmm...Guess we 've got carried away with our own feel-good, thinking this cant happen to our kind anymore, we're so cool and feeling great about ourselves with the tide lifting all of us (yes yes I know mostly the top 20% dont make me qualify everything).

East German girls are reportedly fleeing to the West, the region lacks women and that plus beer is one combustible mix.
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http://www.indianexpress.com/story/213197.html
Sarkozy spells out global role, wants India in UNSC
[quote] He also said the G8 grouping of industrialised powers should “become the G13â€
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The attitude of EU towards the people of Hindustan origine, who live in Europe for centuries rises worring in UN:

GOVERNMENTS SHOULD TAKE POSITIVE STEPS
TO PROTECT HOUSING RIGHTS OF ROMA
IN EUROPE, UN AND COUNCIL OF
EUROPE EXPERTS SAY http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane. ... 7E00367C30
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24 October 2007
The Council of Europe's Commissioner for Human Rights, Thomas Hammarberg, and the Special Rapporteur on the right to adequate housing of the United Nations Human Rights Council, Miloon Kothari, issued the following statement jointly today:

Housing rights of Roma are abused in several parts of Europe. Our offices have received an increasing number of complaints about this problem in a great number of European states including Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Romania, Russian Federation, Serbia, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey and United Kingdom.

Most of these communications have reported of evictions of Roma communities and families which have been carried out in violation of human rights standards especially as regards the right to adequate housing and privacy, procedural guarantees and remedies.

In recent years, there has been an undeniable growth of anti-Romani sentiment or "anti-Ziganism" in Europe. It is regrettable that the actions of many public authorities – particularly at the local level – have been to acquiesce in this intensification of anti-Romani hatred. As a result, the rate and number of forced evictions of Roma have grown dramatically, and segregation and ghettoization in the housing field appears to have intensified and become entrenched in recent years.

Forced evictions often involve acts of violence or threats of violence against Roma. There is also a tendency that market considerations and contempt toward persons regarded as "Gypsies" coalesce in the actions of municipalities carrying out urban renewal programs, in which the eviction of Roma from city center – and public view – is an active component of public policy. These are issues of deep concern for social justice in Europe.

The major international human rights instruments codifying the right to adequate housing include the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the Revised European Social Charter. Many other UN treaties, the European Convention on Human Rights and EU legislation in the field of non-discrimination are also relevant.

The right to adequate housing is crucial for the enjoyment of other rights. Therefore, violations in this area have far reaching impacts on the abilities of Roma and Traveller individuals and communities to effectively enjoy the right to privacy, freedom from degrading treatment, education, employment, food, health, social security, freedom of movement, as well as electoral rights such as voting and the right to stand in elections. Slum housing of Roma has in recent years resulted in refused ambulance services in cases of medical emergency, and denied or failed postal services, causing missed scholarship opportunities and other obstructed goods.

The substandard education of Roma noted in many European countries is often a result of placement far from decent schools or repeated eviction. There is a gender dimension to housing rights as well and the multiple discrimination and violence experienced by Romani women must be taken into account when positive measures are carried out.

We are of the view that concerted effort is required at national, local and pan-European level to end the housing crisis of the Roma. There is an evident need to improve laws, policy and practice:

· Domestic legal provisions should be strengthened – instead of eroded - to ensure security of tenure for all vulnerable groups and individuals;
· Legal protection against forced eviction should be brought into conformity with international law; national authorities are encouraged to apply the Basic Principles and Guidelines on Development-Based Evictions and Displacement prepared by the Special Rapporteur under the auspices of the UN Human Rights Council
· Where persons and/or communities have been expelled from their housing or land, either as a result of ethnic or other conflict or as a result of arbitrary acts by the public administration or persons acting on their behalf, due remedy and restitution should be swiftly forthcoming; persons or entities culpable for violations of law should be brought to justice;
· The use of criminal law measures to thwart nomadism should be ended, and adequate site provision should be provided for Travellers in countries, regions or areas where there are such communities;
· Roma settlements lacking recognized tenure should be formalized and brought up to standards adequate to ensure the dignity of the inhabitants. There should be full and meaningful consultation with affected Roma communities;
· Robust national legal frameworks should be enacted to ensure compliance by local authorities with the international law in the field of housing rights;
· European legal standards on anti-discrimination law should be rigorously enforced to ensure an end to arbitrary treatment based on racial animus against Roma.
For the full text of the guidelines see UN Document A/HRC/4/18 at http://www.ohchr.org/english/issues/housing/annual.htm;
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http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,214 ... 37,00.html
Ahead of India Visit, Merkel Signals Shift in Asia Policy
ndia may have increasingly been on the radar of successive German governments in recent years, but it's been a mere blip compared to China's overpowering presence. That is likely to change as German Chancellor Angela Merkel heads to Delhi and Mumbai on her first official visit.

Last week, members of Merkel's center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) called for a shift in focus of the government's Asia policy, saying there had been an overemphasis on China at the expense of other rising Asian economies.

Berlin's relationship with Beijing is currently strained after China objected to a meeting between Merkel and the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama in September.
"The rise of India has come as a surprise to Germany," said Joachim Beck from the Institute for Asian Studies at the German Institute of Global and Area Studies. "It has been so accustomed to seeing India as poor, as an unstable, multifaceted country. The German government never thought India could become a world power in economic and political terms."

In recent years, Berlin has moved to correct its relative neglect of the rising south Asian power by pursuing bilateral business and trade with Delhi.

Angela Merkel with Manmohan SinghBildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Merkel with Singh at the Hanover trade fair last year

India is now Germany's fourth largest trading partner in Asia -- after China, Japan and South Korea. Bilateral trade stands at roughly 10.6 billion euros with German exports to India last year surging by more than 50 percent. Germany is the fourth largest investor in India and newly-confident Indian companies are also increasingly making acquisitions in Europe's largest economy.
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Sarkozy's Mossad ties exposed
Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:09:30

French President Nicholas Sarkozy
A report reveal French President Nicolas Sarkozy worked long years as an asset for Israeli intelligence long before he was elected president.

French daily Le Figaro said last week the French leader once worked for the Zionist regime as a sayan -Hebrew for helper.

Ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky says sayans, who perform many roles, are Jewish citizens of other nationalities assisting Mossad.

Le Figaro claimed even before the presidential election, French police officials managed to keep secret a letter, which exposed Sarkozy's past participation in espionage activities on behalf of Mossad.

The letter fixed Sarkozy's alleged spying activities as far back as 1983.

In the immediate aftermath of Le Figaro's exposé, the Zionist regime's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was on a state visit to France to discuss Iran's nuclear program, which raised more questions about the report.

Analysts believe since Sarkozy took office in May, he has taken every opportunity to pledge his allegiance to the United States and the Zionist regime.

"Sarko the Sayan" has also followed in the footsteps of the White House by choosing a hostile approach toward Iran and its peaceful nuclear activities.
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The mess in Belgium today is something like in Rawanda of 90s minus the genocide . And it's not something that's highlighted these days by West for all their chest-beating about strifes/poverty worldwide. For about 5 months there's been no govt in Belgium. There's a huge internal strife between French speaking Beligians in South versus the Dutch speaking Flanders in North. French speaking areas live in abject poverty with unemployment as high as 20% while rest of country is doing extremely well.
It's a region to be watched.
Is this right? The wheel has turned?
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In French Suburbs, Same Rage, but New Tactics

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In French Suburbs, Same Rage, but New Tactics

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Two years after France’s immigrant suburbs exploded in rage, the rituals and acts of resentment have reappeared with an eerie sameness: roving gangs clashing with riot police forces, the government appealing for calm, residents complaining that they are ignored.

And while the scale of the unrest of the past few days does not yet compare with the three-week convulsion in hundreds of suburbs and towns in 2005, a chilling new factor makes it, in some sense, more menacing. The onetime rock throwers and car burners have taken up hunting shotguns and turned them on the police.

More than 100 officers have been wounded, several of them seriously, according to the police. Thirty were hit with buckshot and pellets from shotguns, and one of the wounded was hit with a type of bullet used to kill large game, Patrice Ribeiro, a police spokesman, said in a telephone interview. One of the officers lost an eye; another’s shoulder was shattered by gunfire.

It is legal to own a shotgun in France — — as long as the owner has a license — and police circles were swirling with rumors that the bands of youths were procuring more weapons.

“This is a real guerrilla war,â€
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Youths riot for 3rd night outside Paris

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Youths riot for 3rd night outside Paris
VILLIERS-LE-BEL, France - Youths rampaged for a third night in the tough suburbs north of Paris and violence spread to a southern city late Tuesday as police struggled to contain rioters who have burned cars and buildings and — in an ominous turn — shot at officers.

A senior police union official warned that "urban guerrillas" had joined the unrest, saying the violence was worse than during three weeks of rioting that raged around French cities in 2005, when firearms were rarely used.

Bands of young people set more cars on fire in and around Villiers-le-Bel, the Paris suburb where the latest trouble first erupted, and 22 youths were taken into custody, the regional government said. In the southern city of Toulouse, 20 cars were set ablaze, and fires at two libraries were quickly brought under control, police said.

Despite the renewed violence, France's prime minister said the situation was calmer than the two previous nights. About 1,000 officers patrolled trouble spots in and around Villiers-le-Bel on Tuesday, he said.

The government was striving to keep violence from spreading in what was shaping up as a stern test for new President Nicolas Sarkozy. The unrest showed anger still smolders in France's poor neighborhoods, where many Arabs, blacks and other minorities live largely isolated from the rest of society.

The trigger was the deaths Sunday of two minority teens when their motorscooter collided with a police car in Villiers-le-Bel, a blue-collar town on Paris' northern edge.

Residents claimed the officers left without helping the teens. Prosecutor Marie-Therese de Givry denied that, saying police stayed on the scene until firefighters arrived.

Rioting and arson quickly erupted after the crash. The violence worsened Monday night as it spread from Villiers-le-Bel to other impoverished suburbs north of the French capital. Rioters burned a library, a nursery school and a car dealership and tried to set some buildings on fire by crashing burning cars into them.

Officials have pledged tough punishments for rioters: Eight people were convicted Tuesday in fast-track trials and sentenced to 3-10 months in prison, the regional government said.

Police reinforcements were moved into trouble spots north of Paris on Tuesday. Helicopters flew overhead, shining powerful spotlights into apartment buildings to keep people from leaving their homes.

"The situation is under control," said Denis Joubert, director of public safety for the region surrounding Villiers-le-Bel.

Prime Minister Francois Fillon, who was briefed by police in Villiers-le-Bel, said things were "much calmer than the previous two nights, but we feel that things are still fragile, and we need a large preventative force on the ground so that what happened last night does not happen again."

Patrice Ribeiro of the Synergie police union said rioters this time included "genuine urban guerrillas," saying the use of firearms — hunting shotguns so far — had added a dangerous dimension.

Police said 82 officers were injured Monday night, 10 of them by buckshot and pellets. Four were seriously wounded, the force said. Police unions said 30 officers were struck by buckshot.

One rioter with a shotgun "was firing off two shots, reloading in a stairwell, coming back out — boom, boom — and firing again," said Gilles Wiart, No. 2 official in the SGP-FO police union.

Youths, many of them Arab and black children of immigrants, again appeared to be lashing out at police and other targets seen to represent a French establishment they feel has left them behind.

"I don't think it's an ethnic problem," Wiart said. "Most of all it is youths who reject all state authority. They attack firefighters, everything that represents the state."

Suspicion of the police runs high among people in the drab housing project where the two teenagers died in the crash. The boys were identified in French media only by their first names, Lakhami, 16, and Mouhsin, 15.

There have long been tensions between France's largely white police force and the ethnic minorities trapped in poor neighborhoods.

Despite decades of problems and heavy state investments to improve housing and create jobs, the depressed projects that ring Paris are a world apart from the tourist attractions of the capital. Police speak of no-go zones where they and firefighters fear to patrol.

"The problem of bad relations between the police and minorities is underestimated," said criminologist Sebastian Roche.

Sarkozy, speaking from China, appealed for calm and called a security meeting with his Cabinet ministers for Wednesday on his return home.

Sarkozy was interior minister, in charge of police, during the riots of 2005 and took a hard line against the violence. He angered many in housing projects when he called delinquents there "scum."

The rioting youths "want Sarkozy — they want him to come and explain" what happened to the two teenage boys, said Linda Beddar, a 40-year-old mother of three in Villiers-le-Bel. Beddar woke Tuesday to find the library across from her house a burned-out shell.

The violence two years ago also started in the suburbs of northern Paris, when two teens were electrocuted in a power substation while hiding from police. The government is keen to keep the new violence from spreading.

In Villiers-le-Bel late Monday, arsonists set fire to the municipal library and burned books littered its floor Tuesday. Shops and businesses were also attacked, and more than 70 vehicles were torched, authorities said.

Rioters even rammed burning cars into buildings, trying to set the structures on fire, authorities said. Police reported six arrests.

Several hundred youths organized in small groups led the rioting in Villiers-le-Bel, and incidents were also reported in five other towns north of Paris, the regional government reported.

It refused to give specific figures on injuries among the police, rioters or other civilians, or the numbers of cars and buildings set on fire, saying it feared that doing so would encourage youths to try to wound more officers and destroy more property.
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Sarkozy-Bruni affair has Indian officials blushing
New Delhi: France is all set to import a dash of glamour to India’s Republic Day this year. Paris has indicated that French President Nicolas Sarkozy could be bringing along with his girlfriend Carla Bruni.

Sarkozy, on a four-day state visit from January 24, is the chief guest for Republic Day parade. The former supermodel and headturner has recently travelled with the president to Italy and Egypt.

But the Indian government is not used to hosting presidential companions and is in a fix as to what kind of protocol to accord to Bruni as she is not a First Lady.

If Bruni is not classified as a spouse, she would not be entitled to be with the President during banquets and other official engagements. But she can be given privileges meant for a delegate accompanying the President.

Though the list of the President's delegation is yet to be finalised, both sides have already held talks on this issue.

The couple may also visit the Taj Mahal.





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Sarkozy's Mossad ties exposed
This is anti-semitic Iranian nonsense about "exposing Sarkozy" :roll:
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The mess in Belgium today is something like in Rawanda of 90s minus the genocide . And it's not something that's highlighted these days by West for all their chest-beating about strifes/poverty worldwide. For about 5 months there's been no govt in Belgium. There's a huge internal strife between French speaking Beligians in South versus the Dutch speaking Flanders in North. French speaking areas live in abject poverty with unemployment as high as 20% while rest of country is doing extremely well.
It's a region to be watched.
Is this right? The wheel has turned?
DW TV and Journal TV had few reports on Belgium.
Flanders are well off and better economy. The french speaking part depends on the mines and old industry. Its econmy is going down and they are depnding on the welfare of the Flanders. Flanders accuse them of being lazy and not working hard to support themselves
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The six-month campaign to encourage more kinderfreundlichkeit (child-friendliness) in a country better known for its kinderfeindlichkeit (animosity towards children) is being led by ambassadors from the world of sport and media, such as model Eva Padberg and the former Wimbledon tennis champion, Michael Stich.

“Germany is not a child-friendly land, and we want to change that,â€
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ramana wrote:X-Posted
The mess in Belgium today is something like in Rawanda of 90s minus the genocide . And it's not something that's highlighted these days by West for all their chest-beating about strifes/poverty worldwide. For about 5 months there's been no govt in Belgium. There's a huge internal strife between French speaking Beligians in South versus the Dutch speaking Flanders in North. French speaking areas live in abject poverty with unemployment as high as 20% while rest of country is doing extremely well.
It's a region to be watched.
Is this right? The wheel has turned?
Quite a late response to the post, but better late than never. :P

Yes, it is true, notwithstanding the peaceniks on either side. I was totally unaware of such a situation till I came across a French speaking Belgian. I was told that Belgium was the most 'artificial state' in the EU, and it brought to my mind the creation of Pakistan. The Flemish are the Pakjabi equivalent, while the Francophone are the Baluchi equivalent, trapped together as a nation only because of religion (Catholicism).

Ofcourse, it is all hush-hush. :roll:
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> I have personally seen a East German collegue of mine slap his 9 month
> baby extremely hard at the dinner table for crying and not eating. I was
> stunned! The baby turned completely red and I was speechless. Didn't
> know what to say since I was at his place for the first time and had
> known him only for a month.


Conjures a rather troubling image.

You should have said something indirectly.
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I am an avid Gordon Brown fan. This guy have changed economic and social position of UK drastically in last 15 years.
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mayurav wrote:I have personally seen a East German collegue of mine slap his 9 month baby extremely hard at the dinner table for crying and not eating. I was stunned! The baby turned completely red and I was speechless. Didn't know what to say since I was at his place for the first time and had known him only for a month.
If you had gone to the cops, your colleague could have been in very serious trouble and possibly even ended up losing custody of the kid. Child-friendly or unfriendly, laws are usually very stringent when things become physical.
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Sarkozy backs India's nuclear energy needs, UNSC bid

Fri, Jan 25, 2008

New Delhi, Jan 25 - France backs India's nuclear energy needs and also its claim for a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, visiting French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Friday while calling for expansion of the elite G-8 grouping 'to G-13' with India as a member.

Sarkozy said the right words to bring a smile on the faces of his Indian hosts at a joint press conference with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh after talks during which he also lobbied for raising bilateral trade and intensifying defence cooperation.

Stating that there was a 'lot of convergence on international issues', Sarkozy said: 'We will put some concrete in our strategic will'. He also asserted that Indo-French strategic partnership would get 'fresh impetus' from the visit.

Visiting India just three days after British Prime Minister Gordon Brown was in New Delhi with a similar pro-India message, Sarkozy, accompanied by a large business delegation, said he understood India's need for nuclear energy to fund the country's rapidly increasing growth.

'We know that India's energy needs are huge. If we don't allow civilian nuclear energy, then they will go to more polluting sources,' said Sarkozy, who arrived Friday on a two-day visit.

'France can be an advocate for nuclear energy cooperation with India,' he said, adding that his country wanted to help India make the right choice for 'sustainable development'.

'India has never contributed to proliferation,' Sarkozy said.

Speaking at the press conference, Singh appreciated France's 'steadfast support for the lifting of international restrictions on nuclear cooperation with India that are still in place'.

He added that negotiators have concluded a bilateral agreement for co-operation in the civil nuclear field.

According to the Joint Statement, released after the talks, this proposed pact would cover the entire gambit 'from basic and applied research to full civil nuclear cooperation including reactors, fuel supply and management'.

But the document was not signed at Friday's ceremony as no co-operation pact could be unveiled unless India signed a safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency and got a waiver from the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

The government also has to get the go-ahead from its intransigent Left allies to initial the safeguards agreement - which is necessary for the United States Congress to consider the text of a bilateral agreement to operationalise the India-US nuclear deal.

According to Sarkozy, once an international waiver was obtained to enable the resumption of nuclear commerce with India and once the domestic debate in India on the issue -- 'on which I obviously don't want to comment' -- had blown over, France could come into the picture. He noted that France's flagship nuclear power company Areva could help India.

On the delay in reaching a final safeguards agreement, Singh said, 'international negotiations do take some time'. 'Our discussions are moving forward and it is my sincere hope that they can be successfully concluded without loss of further time,' he added.

While this agreement could not be signed Friday, the two countries signed deals in nuclear research 'which is a key for preparing for the future'. In this area, they agreed to intensify contacts between nuclear safety authorities in 'the context of future industrial cooperation'.

At the press conference, India's Atomic Energy Commission chairman Anil Kakodkar signed a deal for the department of atomic energy's participation in the research project Jules Horowitz Reactor, built by the French Atomic Energy Commission at Cadarache.

Sarkozy also reiterated traditional French support for a permanent seat for India in an expanded UN Security Council.

Agreeing with Singh's statement that global institutions should reflect contemporary reality, the French president called for an expansion of the G-8 group of industrialised economies to turn into G-13, including India.

On the defence front, the prime minister said that they had 'agreed to go beyond the buyer-seller relationship' and put the spotlight on 'joint research and development projects, transfer of technology and greater military exchanges'.

India's third largest military supplier, France had been hoping to garner the contract for supply of light helicopters to the Indian army as part of an European consortium, Eurocopter. But the tender was scrapped in December 2007 due to irregularities cited by central auditors. Though the French were miffed, they have got their eye on other defence deals including the upgradation of Mirage 2000 fighter planes of the Indian Air Force.

In a significant decision, India has agreed to start discussions on a 'Status of force' agreement, with France, which governs the stationing of troops in each other's territory.

Both leaders set a target to raise the current level of bilateral trade of $6.23 billion (4.23 billion euros) in 2007 to $17.6 billion (12 billion euros) in 2012. Sarkozy asserted that there would be 10 billion euros of French investment over the next four years.

The four agreements signed Friday included for protection of classified defence information, transfer of prisoners, and cooperation between India's Department of Atomic Energy and its French counterpart on developing the Jules Horowitz nuclear reactors and establishment of the French development agency, Agence Française de Développement. A MoU on the establishment in India of an international laboratory in the field of neurosciences was also inked.

The two sides also released a joint declaration on the fight against global warming.
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India, France to set up joint research laboratories

New Delhi, Jan 25 : India and France Friday signed an agreement to set up sustainable chemistry laboratories and do research on cancer treatment and neuro disorders.

Council for Science and Industrial Research (CSIR) Director General Samir K. Bramhachari and French National Science Research Institute President Catherine Brechignac signed the agreement.

French Minister for Higher Education and Research Valerie Pecresse and Minister of Science and Technology and Earth Sciences Kapil Sibal were also present.

"A milestone of Indo-French partnership in the field of science and technology, the joint research laboratory will focus its research partnership in the areas of green chemistry targeting therapeutic agents for cancer and neuro disorders protein interactions for targeting alternative drugs," a CSIR statement said.

The Indian Institute of Chemical Technology (IICT), Hyderabad, one of the CSIR's laboratories, will be implementing the programme in partnership with the French body for molecular chemistry on molecular photonics.

Both the countries Friday also signed a memorandum of understanding to set up an international associated laboratory in the field of neuro sciences.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy and a high level delegation, including the higher education minister, arrived here Friday morning on a two-day state visit.
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ramana wrote:X-Posted
The mess in Belgium today is something like in Rawanda of 90s minus the genocide . And it's not something that's highlighted these days by West for all their chest-beating about strifes/poverty worldwide. For about 5 months there's been no govt in Belgium. There's a huge internal strife between French speaking Beligians in South versus the Dutch speaking Flanders in North. French speaking areas live in abject poverty with unemployment as high as 20% while rest of country is doing extremely well.
It's a region to be watched.
Is this right? The wheel has turned?
Abject poverty?! I think people who know even relative poverty would be offended.

There is unemployment, and the despair that goes with it in the French areas, but thanks to one of the most generous welfare systems in the world hunger, homelesness, etc are not a problem.

Belgium's political crisis has not gotten a lot of attention because

a) there's no threat of mass violence or war
b) monetary policy, the other key element of business confidance is in the hands of the European Central Bank anyways
c) the previous govt. has continued in a caretaker capacity, so there is continuity

So life continues as normal.

The Flemish speaking part of Belgium has two particular resentments

- That the free-market oriented Flemish are taxed heavily, and that those taxes pay for socialist programmes favoured by the under-performing Walloon/French part of the country, and yet the Flemish who are the majority are under-represented in national decision-making. Despite being the minority, the Walloons are guaranteed half of all government positions by the constitution.

- That socialist Walloon/French politicians are not just indifferent to the Islamisation of Belgium, but that they actively facilitating it by encouraging the immigration of Francophone Arabs, mostly Moroccan. This increases the Francophone vote, as well as increasing the number of votes protecting the welfare system (since the Arabs depend heavily on the welfare system)

The Flemish far-right has been making significant gains over the last decade and a half because of the Belgian political elite's unwilingness to tackle these basic issues.

Given the Walloons and Belgian elites unwilingness to accept change at the federal level, the Flemish want greater devolution of taxation/spending and immigration/residency powers to the regions.

The Walloons have so far been unwilling- hence the political crisis since the elections.

What holds the country together are the monarchy and more importantly the mixed demography of Brussels. Unless the Belgian elite are willing to work with the Flemish majority those two roadblocks will not be enough to keep Belgium together.

If there was a fission, its highly likely that the Flemish would seek re-unification with Holland (the Flemish are Dutch who remained Catholic), while the Walloons either joined France or Luxemberg.
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