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shyam wrote:Why India is not actively present in most of the global monetory initiatives, after the current crisis?
What initiatives are you referring to ? India is already attending the newly created G-20 meeting at Washington DC on Nov.15 . It will be attended by the leaders of 20 chosen countries.

The participants:
Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States, and the European Union.

Percentage of world trade is not particularly relevant here, and we do have a higher export figure that some of the participants above.
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India's share in world trade is nearing 2%. also we were around the 10th largest economy
priced in dollars before the recent devaluation. some of the EU poodles gain a lot by the
euro's high value vs dollar on that count.

http://commerce.nic.in/pressrelease/pre ... sp?id=2052

Date : 22 May 2007
Location : New Delhi

India’s share in world trade has gone up significantly since 2004. According to the latest information published in the World Trade Statistics by the World Trade Organisation (WTO), India’s share in total world trade (which includes trade in both merchandise and services sector) has gone up from 1.1% in 2004 -- i.e., the initial year of the Foreign Trade Policy (2004-09) – to 1.5% in 2006. “Based on the current rates of growth of merchandise and services trade, it is expected that India’s share in world trade covering merchandise plus service sector trade may well double from the level of 2004 to cross 2% mark in 2009”, Shri Kamal Nath, Minister of Commerce & Industry, has said.

As far as merchandise trade alone is concerned, India’s share in global merchandise trade may increase from 1.2% in 2006 to 1.5% in 2009.

It may be recalled that India’s share in merchandise trade has increased from 0.9% in 2004 to 1.2% in 2006, thereby crossing one per cent share of world trade. At the same time, India’s services trade has recorded an even higher growth performance resulting in an increase in the share in world services trade from 2% in 2004 to 2.7% in 2006.

In the Foreign Trade Policy announced by Shri Kamal Nath in August 2004, a medium term horizon for India’s export growth was envisaged and as part of this, the share of India’s merchandise trade in world trade was targeted to double in 2009.

According to the World Trade Statistics of the WTO in 2006, India’s total merchandise trade (export + import) was valued at US $ 294 billion in 2006 and India’s services trade inclusive of export and import was US $ 143 billion. Thus, India’s global economic engagement in 2006 covering both merchandise and services trade was of the order of US $ 437 billion, up by a record 72% from a level of US $ 253 billion in 2004
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`Biggest Bubble of Them All' Is Globalization: Chart of the Day


By Michael Patterson

Oct. 24 (Bloomberg) -- The 90 percent tumble in the global benchmark for commodity shipping costs since May exceeded the Dow Jones Industrial Average's plunge during the Great Depression, signaling globalization is ``the biggest bubble of them all,'' Bespoke Investment Group LLC said.

The CHART OF THE DAY shows the rise and fall of the Baltic Dry Index, a measure of freight costs on international trade routes, along with three other bubbles during the past decade identified by Bespoke: The Nasdaq Composite Index of technology stocks, the Standard & Poor's Supercomposite Homebuilding Index and the CSI 300 Index, a benchmark for Chinese equities.

The Baltic Dry Index's drop from its peak just five months ago surpassed all of those, along with the Dow's 89 percent retreat from 1929 to 1932, according to Bespoke.

``The Baltic Dry Index had a meteoric run since the start of the decade, as it became one of the key symbols of the `globalization' trade,'' Paul Hickey, co-founder of the Harrison, New York-based research and money management firm, wrote in a report yesterday. ``It now appears that like any `new thing,' the globalization trade went too far.''

The Baltic Dry Index fell yesterday for a 14th straight session as the freeze in money markets curbed traders' ability to buy cargo on credit.

The Nasdaq plunged 78 percent from 2000 to 2002 as investors concluded high-priced Internet stocks weren't supported by profits. The S&P index of homebuilder shares has dropped 82 percent from its 2005 peak as the U.S. suffers its worst housing slump since the 1930s. China's shares have fallen in the past year as slowing economic growth and new regulations prompted traders to shun stocks that had climbed to the most expensive valuations among the world's 20 biggest markets.

To contact the reporter on this story: Michael Patterson in London at mpatterson10@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: October 24, 2008 09:02 EDT

`We Need Recession,' Says Morris of `Trillion Dollar Meltdown'


Interview by James Pressley
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Oct. 22 (Bloomberg) -- This time last year, Charles R. Morris was wrapping up ``The Trillion Dollar Meltdown,'' a prescient primer on the credit crash.

A paperback edition planned for February ups the ante with a revised title: ``The Two Trillion Dollar Meltdown.'' What the U.S. needs most, he says, is a brutal recession to throttle its debt- fueled buying binge.

``We need to have a recession -- a sharp one and a deep one,'' says Morris, 68, a ruddy-faced lawyer, former banker and prolific financial writer. He walked me through his revised numbers during an interview in Bloomberg's Manhattan offices.

Morris's original calculation that the crisis would result in at least $1 trillion in losses to the banking and other investment sectors assumed an orderly unwinding, which he had predicted wouldn't happen. Events have proved him right.

The dominoes keep falling -- which bank will be next? --amid rising writedowns and losses that already total $660 billion, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The rescue plan that U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson pushed through Congress has yet to stop the rot.

``Since the Paulson Plan implicitly assumes a continuing stream of bank losses on roughly the same scale for the foreseeable future, the likely losses are now $2 trillion or even more,'' he writes in the revised foreword of a new electronic edition of his book.

The $700 billion bailout emerged from what Morris calls ``the caffeinated fog of a frenetic two weeks'' that included the bankruptcy filing of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., the rescue of American International Group Inc. and the ``night-time elopement'' of Merrill Lynch & Co. and Bank of America Corp.

Solvency, Not Liquidity

Though Paulson's plan may help ease cash hoarding at banks, it perpetuates the misconception that ``we have a liquidity problem, not a solvency problem,'' Morris says, leaning forward in his plaid jacket and chopping the air with his hand to emphasize the words liquidity and solvency.

To explain the difference, Morris cites two precedents: The rise of U.S. grain futures in the 19th century and the tulip bulb mania that gripped the Netherlands in the 17th century.

``In the 19th century, we had these huge wheat fields in the Midwest,'' he says. ``But it was very risky to send grain to the East, let alone abroad.''

That was a liquidity problem, and the development of grain futures markets solved it by allowing future deliveries to be sold for cash. As this ``fire hose of investment'' flooded the grain belt, ``we became the Saudi Arabia of food,'' Morris says.

Tulip Bulb Futures

During tulip mania, by contrast, traders leveraged up their bulb holdings, taking ever more risk until the bubble burst and prices collapsed. No amount of lending could have restored them, Morris says; the episode was ``a parable of insolvency.''

``It wasn't a liquidity problem,'' he says. ``You don't solve that by lending more against tulip bulbs.''

U.S. houses, in short, became tulip bulbs. Banks that forked over cash for a claim on a home's unrealized value were in essence ``selling tulip bulb futures.'' The more cash they extended, the more U.S. consumers spent.

``Between 2000 and 2007, total U.S. gross domestic product was $92.5 trillion in current dollars,'' Morris says. ``Our gross domestic purchases were $97 trillion, a $4.5 trillion overrun.''

Where did the $4.5 trillion come from? Consumer debt --almost all of it secured by houses, Morris says.

``Between 2000 and 2007, homeowners borrowed $4.2 trillion on their homes that they didn't invest in their housing or use to pay down their mortgages,'' he says.

`Waterwheel of Money'

Personal consumption jumped to an unprecedented 72 percent of GDP by 2007 from a long-term average of about 66 percent, Morris says. The upshot: ``a false prosperity based on a huge waterwheel of money, fueling a debt-financed, import-driven consumer binge,'' as he puts it in the new foreword.

When other countries gorged on debt, the U.S. lectured them about the need for austerity, he says. Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, by contrast, are pumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the system.

``They're attempting to avoid a recession,'' he says, whispering the R word. ``It will make things worse.''

Morris urges the U.S. to instead engineer a recession, as former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker did when he slew runaway 1970s inflation by raising interest rates as high as 20 percent. Though Volcker's shock treatment was rough, the U.S. is resilient, Morris says: ``We earned it back fast.''

``Do what Volcker did,'' he advises. ``We can get out of this crisis hard and fast or painfully slowly.''

``The Trillion Dollar Meltdown: Easy Money, High Rollers and the Great Credit Crash'' was published by PublicAffairs in March (194 pages, $22.95). The new e-book will be available this month. The retitled and updated paperback edition comes out in February.

(James Pressley writes for Bloomberg News. The opinions expressed are his own.)

To contact the writer on the story: James Pressley in Brussels at jpressley@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: October 21, 2008 19:57 EDT
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16th US bank to collapse this yr - Alpha Bank of Alpha_retta, Georgia. will be taken over
by Sterns Bank.
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Fair Game
They’re Shocked, Shocked, About the Mess

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Published: October 24, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/busin ... f=business

MY hypocrisy meter konked out last week.

It started acting up on Wednesday, spinning wildly as executives from the nation’s leading credit-rating agencies testified before Congress about their nonroles in the credit crisis. Leaders from Moody’s, Standard & Poor’s and Fitch all said that their firms’ inability to see problems in toxic mortgages was an honest mistake. The woefully inaccurate ratings that have cost investors billions were not, mind you, a result of issuers paying ratings agencies handsomely for their rosy opinions.

Still, there were those pesky e-mail messages cited by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform that showed two analysts at S.& P. speaking frankly about a deal they were being asked to examine.

“Btw — that deal is ridiculous,” one wrote. “We should not be rating it.”

“We rate every deal,” came the response. “It could be structured by cows and we would rate it.”

Asked to explain the cow reference, Deven Sharma, S.& P.’s president, told the committee: “The unfortunate and inappropriate language used in these e-mails does not reflect the core culture of the organization I am committed to leading.”

Maybe so, but that was a lot for my malarkey meter to absorb.

Then, on Thursday, my meter sputtered as Alan Greenspan, former “Maestro” of the Federal Reserve, testified before the same Congressional questioners. He defended years of regulatory inaction in the face of predatory lending and said he was “in a state of shocked disbelief” that financial institutions did not rein themselves in when there were billions to be made by relaxing their lending practices and trafficking in exotic derivatives.

Mr. Greenspan was shocked, shocked to find that there was gambling going on in the casino.

MY poor, overtaxed, smoke-and-mirrors meter gave out altogether when Christopher Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, took his turn on the committee’s hot seat. His agency had allowed Wall Street firms to load up on leverage without increasing its oversight of them. But he said on Thursday that the credit crisis highlights “the need for a strong S.E.C., which is unique in its arm’s-length independence from the institutions and persons it regulates.”

He said that with a straight face, too.

There was more. Mr. Cox went on to suggest that his hapless agency should begin regulating credit-default swaps.

This, recall, is that $55 trillion market at the heart of almost every big corporate failure and near-collapse of recent months. Trading in these swaps, which offer insurance against debt defaults, exploded in recent years. As the market for the swaps grew, so did the risks — and the interconnectedness — among the firms that traded them.

During the years when these risks were ramping up unregulated, Mr. Cox and his crew were silent on the swaps beat.

Janet Tavakoli, a finance industry consultant who is president of Tavakoli Structured Finance, said the stock market’s gyrations are a result of a severe lack of confidence in the very officials who are charged with cleaning up the nation’s mess.

“It is not enough to throw money at a problem; you also have to use honesty and common sense,” Ms. Tavakoli said. “In fact, if you leave out the last two, you are wasting taxpayers’ money.”

What Ms. Tavakoli means by common sense is a plan that will force institutions to get a fix on what their holdings are actually worth.

“If you are going to hand out capital, you have to first revalue the assets or take over so that you can force a mark to market,” she said. “Force restructurings, mark down the assets to defensible levels and let the market clear.”
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So long, suckers. Millionaire hedge fund boss thanks 'idiot' traders and retires at 37
"The low-hanging fruit, ie idiots whose parents paid for prep school, Yale and then the Harvard MBA, was there for the taking," he wrote. "These people who were (often) truly not worthy of the education they received (or supposedly received) rose to the top of companies such as AIG, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers and all levels of our government," he said.

"All of this behaviour supporting the aristocracy only ended up making it easier for me to find people stupid enough to take the other side of my trades. God bless America."

Lahde became one of the biggest names in the investment industry when one of his funds produced a return of 866% last year, largely by forecasting the US home loans industry would collapse.
This guy sure knows how to rub it in :D
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PAUL B. FARRELL
Wall Street's 'Disaster Capitalism for Dummies'

14 reasons Main Street loses big while Wall Street sabotages democracy
By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch
Last update: 7:10 p.m. EDT Oct. 20, 2008
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/1 ... aspx?guid=

ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- Yes, we're dummies. You. Me. All 300 million of us. Clueless. We should be ashamed. We're obsessed about the slogans and rituals of "democracy," distracted by the campaign, polls, debates, rhetoric, half-truths and outright lies. McCain? Obama? Sorry to pop your bubble folks, but it no longer matters who's president.
Why? The real "game changer" already happened. Democracy has been replaced by Wall Street's new "disaster capitalism." That's the big game-changer historians will remember about 2008, masterminded by Wall Street's ultimate "Trojan Horse," Hank Paulson. Imagine: Greed, arrogance and incompetence create a massive bubble, cost trillions, and still Wall Street comes out smelling like roses, richer and more powerful!


Yes, we're idiots: While distracted by the "illusion of democracy" in the endless campaign, Congress surrendered the powers we entrusted to it with very little fight. Congress simply handed over voting power and the keys to trillions in the Treasury to Wall Street's new "Disaster Capitalists" who now control "democracy."
Why did this happen? We're in denial, clueless wimps, that's why. We let it happen. In one generation America has been transformed from a democracy into a strange new form of government, "Disaster Capitalism." Here's how it happened:

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Three decades of influence peddling in Washington has built an army of 42,000 special-interest lobbyists representing corporations and the wealthy. Today these lobbyists manipulate America's 537 elected officials with massive campaign contributions that fund candidates who vote their agenda.
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This historic buildup accelerated under Reaganomics and went into hyperspeed under Bushonomics, both totally committed to a new disaster capitalism run privately by Wall Street and Corporate America. No-bid contracts in wars and hurricanes. A housing-credit bubble -- while secretly planning for a meltdown.
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Finally, the coup de grace: Along came the housing-credit crisis, as planned. Press and public saw a negative, a crisis. Disaster capitalists saw a huge opportunity. Yes, opportunity for big bucks and control of America. Millions of homeowners and marginal banks suffered huge losses. Taxpayers stuck with trillions in debt. But giant banks emerge intact, stronger, with virtual control over government and the power to use taxpayers' funds. They're laughing at us idiots!


Amazing isn't it, Wall Street's Disaster Capitalists screwed up, likely planned or let happen this meltdown and recession. Yet America's clueless taxpayers just reward them by giving the screw-ups massive bailouts, control over more than $2 trillion of tax money, and the power to clean up the mess they made. Oh yes, we are dummies!
This end game was planned for years in secret war rooms on Wall Street, in Corporate America, in Washington and the Forbes 400. Demo
cracy is too cumbersome. It had to be marginalized for Disaster Capitalism to take over. Reagan, Bush and Paulson were Wall Street's "Trojan Horses."
Naomi Klein summarizes the game in "Shock Doctrine: the Rise of Disaster Capitalism." This "new economy" generates enormous profits feeding off other peoples' misery: Wars, terror attacks, natural catastrophes, poverty, trade sanctions, subprime housing meltdowns and all kinds of economic, financial and political disasters. Natural (Katrina) or manmade (Iraq), either way "disaster capitalism" creates fortunes.
So you, me and the other 300 million better get out of denial. America is no longer a democracy. Voting is irrelevant. Best case scenario: We're a plutocracy, a government ruled by the wealthy, the richest 1%, the Forbes 400, the influential wealthy elite, while the other 99% are their "servants." Meanwhile, the inflation-adjusted income of wage-earners has declined for three decades.

Worst case scenario: America's no democracy and as a result of the meltdown and the surrender of our power to Wall Street's new Disaster Capitalism we are morphing into what one WWII dictator called "corporatism," a "merger of state and corporate power," kind of like what's going on now with Goldman Sachs' ex-boss as de facto president.


1. Wall Street rich get first priority
2. National security obsession
3. Superpower with massive military
4. Extreme nationalism

5. Rally the masses by scapegoating enemies
6. Corruption and cronyism
7. Obsession with crime
8. Labor and low wages
9. Contempt for human rights
10. Mass media manipulation

11. Obsession with sexism
12. Disdain for intellectuals
13. Religion in government
14. Fraudulent elections

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October 25, 2008, 11:02 am
How Bad Is It Going to Get?
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/10/ ... ng-to-get/

For most of 2008 the the question has been, “Will the U.S. experience a recession?” Now that most economists agree a downturn has arrived, the question has shifted to: “How bad will is it going to get?”

Economists at J.P. Morgan Chase say it will be worse than the past two relatively mild (1990-91, 2001) recessions. And the recovery will be painfully slow, too.

“From the perspective of wealth losses and declines in real consumption, the current recession is likely to prove more severe than any of the previous ten in the post World War II era,” they said.

Here’s how J.P. Morgan’s forecast for the recession of 2008 compares to other post-World War II recessions. The chart is sortable by year the recession began, the decline over the two worst quarters, the total peak-to-trough decline in GDP, the rise in the unemployment rate over the recession, the number of quarters in outright recession and the number of quarters that registered slow growth
— just click the column headers to re-sort. –Phil Izzo

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PAUL B. FARRELL wrote: 11. Obsession with sexism

WHA?
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Suraj wrote:
shyam wrote:Why India is not actively present in most of the global monetory initiatives, after the current crisis?
What initiatives are you referring to ? India is already attending the newly created G-20 meeting at Washington DC on Nov.15 . It will be attended by the leaders of 20 chosen countries.
In the initiative you mentioned, it doesn't appear that India is an active participant, Rather it seems like, since top 20 countries are called India is also part of that.

Leaders call for new rules for financial system
India's name doesn't appear in $80 billion emergency fund that is created. Yes, it is a ASEAN fund, but euro countries are contributing to it.

Somehow, I get a feeling India is kept away (or keeping itself away) from the high table discussions. Not sure if that is good or bad.
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shyam: India is a member of ASEM as well. In fact, the current ASEM meeting is the one in which we have been invited to join as a member; we had not been invited until now:
India makes its presence felt on maiden entry at ASEM
India formally joined the ASEM and participated for the first time in the summit, attended by world leaders, including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Pakistan Premier Yousuf Raza Gilani, Chinese President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jibao.

On all pressing topics, there was great eagerness on the part of ASEM's 45-member nations to hear where India stands on these issues, Singh told reporters accompanying him to Japan and China.

"Whether it was the issue of global financial crisis or whether it was the Millennium Development Goals or the issue of sustainable development. A great deal of attention was paid to India's viewpoint," Singh said.
shyam wrote:In the initiative you mentioned, it doesn't appear that India is an active participant, Rather it seems like, since top 20 countries are called India is also part of that.
Why don't you spell out what you mean by an 'active participant' ? Do you really want us to commit billions to help Iceland or Pakistan ? Even the Chinese, despite their large forex holdings, refused Zardari's 'gimme $2 billion' whines.

This is a time of crisis. New power groupings are just evolving. I think it is premature to claim that we are 'staying out' or 'being kept out'. Various parties have already urged our presence in any major grouping, including the British and French.
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I do believe this coming recession will be longer than most people think.

Unlike the 90s, there are no major drivers for the economy. There is no 'next big thing' like the internet around the corner that might help create millions of jobs.
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Yes, the internet bubble was the last great one. The subsequent real estate inspired bubble was more fake and a last gasp. The market is dead. :twisted: We should just get back to doing sarkari jobs, over the long run the stability with low pay is far better than the dollar averaging being pouted by MBA idiots. As less and less people flock to the markets with their hard earned monies, there will be less and less growth to cash in on in the next 20 yrs time.
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Bade wrote:Yes, the internet bubble was the last great one. The subsequent real estate inspired bubble was more fake and a last gasp. The market is dead. :twisted: We should just get back to doing sarkari jobs, over the long run the stability with low pay is far better than the dollar averaging being pouted by MBA idiots. As less and less people flock to the markets with their hard earned monies, there will be less and less growth to cash in on in the next 20 yrs time.
Bullseye, bade saar.

Am seriously considering a move to a quasi-sarkari naukri a few yrs down the line. Am unsure if all the tension (and resulting hypertension) of modern living are worth the loss of sanity, perspective, simplicity......yeah, i know, philosophical bent happening onlee.... am talking retirement which is some 30+yrs away....
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History of Chinese trade and money
Elaine talks about wars, imperialists, debt, Britain, France, USA, & China among other things that shape the global economy.
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yeah, i know, philosophical bent happening onlee.... am talking retirement which is some 30+yrs away....
No you are not talking philosophy. You are talking common sense onlee.... all this banks, governments, economy, philosophy, religion all we made it up for us - the humans. It is simple onlee. Economic activity is carried out to thinking it will ultimately lead to some kind of happiness.
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SwamyG wrote:History of Chinese trade and money
Elaine talks about wars, imperialists, debt, Britain, France, USA, & China among other things that shape the global economy.
Virtually no one seems to understand the trap we are in is due to trade imbalance, not banking difficulties. The banking problems grew out of the trade problems. And worse, the trade problems grew out of the difficulties of the US empire funding its military arm via debt, not taxes.
The US changed its policy in the 1970s to finance its military using Debt to combat communist Russia. They started leasing aircraft carriers and large capital investment.

To compensate for the high debt and inflation they increased the trade to import cheap products to reduce inflation. China was the focus for importing products to reduce inflation.
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It is said that Napolean conducted the "Louisiana Purchase" because he needed funds for his other wars. I thought USA was one of the few examples where a country prospered after a war. I was thinking of WWII in particular. Is my thinking wrong?
China was the focus for importing products to reduce inflation.
Ah, Nixon spearheaded that right? So what made USA pick China instead of say India?
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SwamyG wrote:
China was the focus for importing products to reduce inflation.
Ah, Nixon spearheaded that right? So what made USA pick China instead of say India?
History
US involvement in China dates back to 1840s
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Acharya wrote:
SwamyG wrote:
Ah, Nixon spearheaded that right? So what made USA pick China instead of say India?
History
Sorry, but can you elaborate little more? TIA.
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Take it to the US & the World thread.Thanks,ramana
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Dollar Regains Haven Status as Deutsche Bank Says Buy
Oct. 27 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar is reasserting its status as the world's reserve currency as investors seek a haven from plunging emerging-market stocks and bonds.
The sell-off in emerging markets may ``set the stage'' for bigger gains, says Barclays Capital in London. Demand for the safety of Treasuries is turning the foreign-exchange market into a ``one-way street,'' according to Frankfurt-based Deutsche Bank AG, the world's biggest currency trader. BNP Paribas SA, the most-accurate forecaster in a 2007 Bloomberg survey, says the dollar may return to parity with the euro in coming months.
As recently as April, the National Bureau of Economic Research, the group that determines when recessions begin and end, said the euro may become the world's reserve currency in the next seven years
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Leaders call for new rules for financial system

"Europe would like Asia to support our efforts and would like to make sure that on the 15th of November, we can face the world together and say that the causes of this unprecedented crisis will never be able to happen again,'' Sarkozy said in remarks to the opening ceremony of the Asia-Europe Meeting in Beijing.
:rotfl:

I would like all the BRF members to donate me $1M each to make sure that on 15th of Novemeber, we can face the world together and say that the causes of this crisis will never be able to happen again...

:rotfl:
Somehow, I get a feeling India is kept away (or keeping itself away) from the high table discussions. Not sure if that is good or bad.
I am glad, India is KEPT out of this...
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The drop in oil price is being attributed to fall in demand and not to the financial sector meltdown. How much of this was surprise? I dont recall any analyst predicting this. On the other hand there was Goldman Sachs dork saying recently it will go to $200/barrel. :)
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Neshant wrote:Unlike the 90s, there are no major drivers for the economy. There is no 'next big thing' like the internet around the corner that might help create millions of jobs.
The fact that the Internet was the "next big thing" would not have been apparent during the 1991 recession either. So who knows what will come along?

Clean tech is a good candidate though.
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ramana wrote:The drop in oil price is being attributed to fall in demand and not to the financial sector meltdown. How much of this was surprise? I dont recall any analyst predicting this. On the other hand there was Goldman Sachs dork saying recently it will go to $200/barrel. :)
Russia riding high on oil rev and riding roughshod over unkilian schemes in Georgia might've hand a hand too, perhaps? After all, what in economic fundamentals had changed so much that, even before the Lehman crash, oil prices halved in under 75 days?
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Let Iraqi and Brazilian oil come to the market and oil will be back to below 30$ a Barrell. But , still even today Oil prices dances with Dow and Nasdaq i.e manipulation is still going on. Come USA inventory report this Wednesday , oil will be for free fall.
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Remember not too long ago, when every two bit commentator on tv and radio were shouting from the rooftops of consumption in China and India raising oil prices :rotfl: and people here had called the bluff.

Oil prices going up was manipulation of the kind never seen before to balance the losses elsewhere by the hidden hands at the world economic wheel.... kal chakra ... of the capitalist gods. We were all suckered in. :oops: All of the lost $2 trillion in the stock market has found safer ground in a few hands. When the capital injection comes in full swing we will know who got it all and I am not referring to the taxpayer bailout money and stimulus checks.
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remember the price of oil and dollar value move in opposite directions.

The moment you de link dollar to oil trading and world trade the intrensic value will be reflected in market.

The high oil price due to India and China was bull crap american audiences are soo stupid any arm chair punddit can spin anything. Just watch Lou Doubts show and some CNBC pundits. Total ass &ol$#
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All the talk of free trade, supply-demand, free-market all pale in front of one word - Manipulation.
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U.S. has plundered world wealth with dollar: China paper

Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:14am EDT


BEIJING (Reuters) - The United States has plundered global wealth by exploiting the dollar's dominance, and the world urgently needs other currencies to take its place, a leading Chinese state newspaper said on Friday.

The front-page commentary in the overseas edition of the People's Daily said that Asian and European countries should banish the U.S. dollar from their direct trade relations for a start, relying only on their own currencies.

A meeting between Asian and European leaders, starting on Friday in Beijing, presented the perfect opportunity to begin building a new international financial order, the newspaper said.

The People's Daily is the official newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party. The Chinese-language overseas edition is a small circulation offshoot of the main paper.

Its pronouncements do not necessarily directly voice leadership views. But the commentary, as well as recent comments, amount to a growing chorus of Chinese disdain for Washington's economic policies and global financial dominance in the wake of the credit crisis.

"The grim reality has led people, amidst the panic, to realize that the United States has used the U.S. dollar's hegemony to plunder the world's wealth," said the commentator, Shi Jianxun, a professor at Shanghai's Tongji University.

Shi, who has before been strident in his criticism of the U.S., said other countries had lost vast amounts of wealth because of the financial crisis, while Washington's sole concern had been protecting its own interests.

"The U.S. dollar is losing people's confidence. The world, acting democratically and lawfully through a global financial organization, urgently needs to change the international monetary system based on U.S. global economic leadership and U.S. dollar dominance," he wrote.

Shi suggested that all trade between Europe and Asia should be settled in euros, pounds, yen and yuan, though he did not explain how the Chinese currency could play such a role since it is not convertible on the capital account.
A two-day Asia-Europe Meeting (ASEM) of 27 EU member states and 16 Asian countries was set to open on Friday. Though few analysts expect much in the way of concrete agreements, Shi said it could prove momentous.

"How can Europe and Asia grasp each other's hands and together confront the once-in-a-century global financial crisis sparked by the U.S.; how can they construct a new equitable and safe international financial order?" he said.

"The world is waiting for this Asian-European meeting to achieve big results in financial cooperation."

(Reporting by Simon Rabinovitch; Editing by Ken Wills)
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Is there any connection between now rising dollar and recently held meeting between premiers of some countries? China does hold a large amount of US treasury bills and they may have put a condition of good dollar value to recoup their losses in return of helping in current global crisis. Just a theory, what does gurus here think?
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On the other hand there was Goldman Sachs dork saying recently it will go to $200/barrel.
As I recall it, the GS analyst who predicted this is a Desi. So it looks like our desi brethren are in on te gravy train either way.
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OTOH, It was a desi at GS who had predicted correctly more then 18 Months ago about Oil breaking the 100$/barrel.
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The author of the report at GS that suggested GS leave the CDO / Real Estate derivatives was from GS's Mumbai/Bangalore office. GS has a good presence in India, and they are still betting big on India in PE investments. Multiple expansion ops exist, other exits such as IPO due to a less regulated IPO market (compared to the US)....
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Acharya wrote:Emerging markets vulnerability graph.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/200 ... graf01.jpg
I do not find that graph very credible, especially the position of Russia on it as "not vulnerable". Russia's stock markets already had huge losses, and with the sharp drop in the price of their main commodity, oil, there is no way Russia can come through this crisis unhurt.
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Last night there was graph of Nikkei over 26 years on CNBC and showed the ups and downs. Is there one for Dow say over sixty years or since end of WWII?
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ramana wrote:Last night there was graph of Nikkei over 26 years on CNBC and showed the ups and downs. Is there one for Dow say over sixty years or since end of WWII?
DJIA 1900-present
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as a mobthink exercise what would be impact on world and japanese
economy if GOJ raised interest rate to 8% tomorrow?
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