Aero India 2009

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 10 Feb 2009 22:58

k prasad · Post by **k prasad** » 10 Feb 2009 23:25

I attended the Aero Seminar today - was brilliatn... will update on teh info later.... due to paucity of time... I have briefed K Mehta...

Kaushal, can u post plz.

A tidbit, Kaveri will be sent to Rus next month for final trials. Will be integrated in LCA in 9 months.

Also, Kaveri has completed 1800 test hrs.

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 10 Feb 2009 23:39

Wow, thats great news. But if Kaveri is never going to power the LCA, why integrate it?

k prasad · Post by **k prasad** » 10 Feb 2009 23:43

To develop tech... as also for CAT and LIFT.

will provide more info. suffice to say, GTRE is not really the villain here, but they are definitely smarting from the accusations. Felt sad for them really.

incidentally, Railways also wants teh Kaveri - 8 MW

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 10 Feb 2009 23:45

To all you lucky folks at Aero India: How many Mi-35's are there for static/flying display? Could you confirm if any/all have their IR supressors. The one in the pic seems to be missing it.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 11 Feb 2009 00:00

k prasad please do a memory dump somewhere and then post it at leisure

Wish someone had their might zooms to get closeups of the SF\para slithereing as well as any Garuds around.

Don't forget the grunts

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 11 Feb 2009 00:16

Kailash wrote:Wow, thats great news. But if Kaveri is never going to power the LCA, why integrate it?

what is your source?

HariC · Post by **HariC** » 11 Feb 2009 00:20

k prasad wrote:T GTRE is not really the villain here, but they are definitely smarting from the accusations. Felt sad for them really.

well dont .. because they deserve the reputation

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 11 Feb 2009 01:25

SaiK wrote: what is your source?

Well there is no explicit mention of it. So the word "never" may be too strong - "not is the next decade" is more appropriate
1. First batches getting GE-404IN - No kaveri here
2. The later squardrons are going for a foreign engine - again no Kaveri
3. Reasons - IAF wants a more powerful engine NOW (2009), they have reservations against snecma helping the Kaveri (possibly helping it achieve flight-worthiness in next 3-5 years, which I presume is faster than if DRDO/GTRE doing it alone).
4. Kaveri was never planned to be a 100kN engine (unless GTRE has some concrete designs for the higher thrust MCA specific model). Since too much weight reduction cannot be expected on the LCA, and since it has been decoupled from Kaveri development, fair to say they wont be recoupled (unless there are fresh US sanctions etc which stop us from importing Ge414 or EJ200)

I know this doesn't belong in this thread, but just trying to answer the question.
** I wont say Kaveri is a failure by any means. But it doesnt fit LCA anymore.

ManuJ · Post by **ManuJ** » 11 Feb 2009 01:37

pyogi, loved your snap of LCA in action. One of the best snaps of LCA in the air. The Saras snap was also lovely. Hoping for more such snaps of desi maal

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Feb 2009 02:13

k prasad wrote:I attended the Aero Seminar today - was brilliatn... will update on teh info later.... due to paucity of time... I have briefed K Mehta...

Kaushal, can u post plz.

A tidbit, Kaveri will be sent to Rus next month for final trials. Will be integrated in LCA in 9 months.

Also, Kaveri has completed 1800 test hrs.

Please give us an update. Thanks, ramana

Also is it for Kaushal?

He doesnt post in this thread. Try the Hisotry thread in start forum.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 11 Feb 2009 02:37

kailash, in my understanding all those ddm points to the later squadrons being from squadron 3 onwards. onlee first couple of squadrons will court 414s. the 404-in version will be onlee for the initial TDs, PVs, and LSPs.. and mostly the trainers as well. the earlier, IAF sees the 414s in Tejas, is what they are looking at. 2 years time.

rahuldevnath · Post by **rahuldevnath** » 11 Feb 2009 02:51

To all you lucky folks at Aero India: How many Mi-35's are there for static/flying display? Could you confirm if any/all have their IR supressors. The one in the pic seems to be missing it.

That's the lone Mi-35 for static display. IR suppressor, i think is removable. Though it's the upgraded variant, IR suppressor has been removed for some reason.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 11 Feb 2009 03:01

Kleik on Ploto phor Bliss

These are THE most beautiful pictures of the LCA I've ever seen !

Amazing camera work, incredible timing!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Feb 2009 03:06

p_saggu wrote:This is THE most beautiful picture of the LCA I've ever seen ! Amazing camera work, incredible timing!

Sorry for being a jingo. But the composite wings are as smooth like Hema malini's cheeks.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 11 Feb 2009 05:13

Garud

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 11 Feb 2009 05:32

The show is getting bigger and better

The normally impregnable IAF base, some 30 km to the north of Bangalore, is on an alert level that is two to three times that for the 2007 event. The Ministry of Defence, which organises the two-yearly show, has deployed 140 CCTVs, almost five times that in 2007; 330 defence personnel, three BSF platoons, a Garud special team and 180 security personnel, apart from eight baggage screening machines. For the first time, entry passes are by RFID.

Aero India 2009 has grown to be bigger and better in two years and has come to be a major air show in the region, Mr Kumar said. From 7,000 sqm in 1998 and 30,000 sq.m in 2007, the exhibition space is 44,000 sq.m this time. There are 289 Indian exhibitors and 303 from overseas. Six countries have their own pavilions.

US to Participate in Aero India '09

HICKAM AIR FORCE BASE, Hawaii - The United States military will be represented at the Aero India 09 air show at Air Force Station Yelahanka in Bangalore, India, Feb. 11 to 15.

A cross-section of U.S. military aircraft and equipment will be present, including the C-17 Globemaster III, C-130J Hercules, F-16 Fighting Falcon, KC-135 Stratotanker, F/A-18 Hornet and Eagle Vision Ground Satellite System.

Bangalore air show gets unprecedented security cover

An unprecedented three-tier security ring, including special commandos, has been thrown around Yelahanka Air Force Station, the venue of the air show in Bangalore.

"Security has been a major concern in the (current) environment", Defence Production Secretary Pradeep Kumar said a day before the commencement of the five-day air show, Aero India. He said the Defence Ministry, which is organising the show, has worked along with the Ministry of Home Affairs, Karnataka government and local police and tried to enhance the security significantly.

Pradeep Kumar said there would be three tiers of security -- outer, middle and inner. The number of CCTVs have been increased to 140 this time, compared with 30 in the last edition of the show in 2007.

X-ray machines to check baggage had been increased to eight from two in the last air show. Radio frequency identity cards have been introduced for the first time.

Personnel from Defence Security Force, three platoons of CRPF, and special commandos have been deployed. "The effort is to have a fool-proof system", he added

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 11 Feb 2009 06:46

INTERNATIONAL SEMINAR - AERO INDIA 2009 - LIST OF SPEAKERS

An interesting list, to say the least !

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 11 Feb 2009 08:10

rahuldevnath wrote:
RahulD,

One request...

A photo of Tejas in the air with the "Tejas" paintwork clearly visible.. please.. pleasee.. please.
Unfortunately LCA is always too swift, fast and small and too high!

From my personal experience no matter how hard I tried Tejas and IJT/Sitara are always very-very difficult to get a perfect camera shot. Any one who gets more than 1 fluke good shot indeed must be person who is one with a very good camera (like a good pilot is one who is one with the aircraft he is flying). These 2 planes are small and they move very fast. I once tried putting my camera on fixed manual focus in the hope that camera's auto focus delay will not miss the split second image, and also tries multi-shot settings to bell the cat, always with mixed results.

Keep it up Rahul Devnath dude.

vinzsagar · Post by **vinzsagar** » 11 Feb 2009 08:23

Is IAF Phalcon expected to make debut public appearance during AI-09??

Thought IAF would display them on 26th Republic Day Celebrations....

dipayan · Post by **dipayan** » 11 Feb 2009 08:29

RahulD,

Do you have any any walk-around pics of the Tejas?? The flying shots are just awesome

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 11 Feb 2009 08:32

vinzsagar,

For Republic Day, the plan was to showcase the Phalcon as a scaled-down model, and it was indeed shown as such.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Feb 2009 09:07

Kailash wrote:Wow, thats great news. But if Kaveri is never going to power the LCA, why integrate it?

India's biggest hurdles have been the need to get a new airframe and develop a new power plant (engine) and integrate the two. Existing Aerospace companies got over that hurdle by the middle of the 20th century because the earliest planes in the world were new, with new engines. After aero industries were established new engines could be tested on exiting airframes.

It was exactly this double hurdle (new airframe/new engine) that killed the HF 24

the same thing is happening again for the LCA but hopefully lessons have been learnt. So if we getthe LCA into service with an existing (firangi) engine - the airframe gets proven. Once th airframe is proven it can e used to test a new engine - assuming the Kaveri or some variant needs to be tested. So it is essential to perform the integration.

If we can achieve the double trick of having our own engine and airframe flying - the next step gets easier. The existing proven) engine can be used on a new airframe - such as a new trainer or other aircraft.

vasu_ray · Post by **vasu_ray** » 11 Feb 2009 09:28

k prasad wrote:To develop tech... as also for CAT and LIFT.

will provide more info. suffice to say, GTRE is not really the villain here, but they are definitely smarting from the accusations. Felt sad for them really.

incidentally, Railways also wants teh Kaveri - 8 MW

its OT, however, Railways intends to use it for Locos or as generators?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Feb 2009 09:45

JaiS wrote:INTERNATIONAL SEMINAR - AERO INDIA 2009 - LIST OF SPEAKERS

An interesting list, to say the least !

look at this!

Technical Programme

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 11 Feb 2009 09:52

ramana wrote:
JaiS wrote:INTERNATIONAL SEMINAR - AERO INDIA 2009 - LIST OF SPEAKERS

An interesting list, to say the least !

look at this!

Technical Programme

Damn my Uncle is chairing some of those sessions...

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 11 Feb 2009 09:54

ramana wrote: Please give us an update. Thanks, ramana

Also is it for Kaushal?

He doesnt post in this thread. Try the Hisotry thread in start forum.

ramana ji, it's for K mehta.

K mehta, K prasad, humour us, please !

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 11 Feb 2009 10:26

Any good pics of Garuds?

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 11 Feb 2009 10:34

well prasad has told me lot of stuff on phone, but lets just say he has the notes and the numbers. Since he has attended the seminar, there will be a few things that he noted but didnt tell me in a hurry. So please be patient and bear with prasad and excuse me from posting it. I think it is his right to post this stuff, since he has gathered the info first hand.
meanwhile I will keep myself happy by thinking I knew it a few minutes earlier than you ppl. Sehwag/Gilly style.

dorai · Post by **dorai** » 11 Feb 2009 10:42

Thank you very much for all the photos and info

maz · Post by **maz** » 11 Feb 2009 10:50

Guys, please take both complete shots and close ups of the naval consoles that BEL should be displaying. Pictures and data boards/ brochures of anything naval such as Revati radar, EO systems, sonars, UAV, comms, missiles, etc would be appreciated. There should be a lot of desi stuff on hand so please be sure to visit these stalls and gather info.

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 11 Feb 2009 10:59

not to forget nruav..

rahuldevnath · Post by **rahuldevnath** » 11 Feb 2009 11:19

RahulD,

Do you have any any walk-around pics of the Tejas?? The flying shots are just awesome

Unfortunately I was able to spent just a few minutes at the other side of the runway! What I got are just these...And biggest culprit was my 200mm lens, couldn't get a full frame!

bhargava · Post by **bhargava** » 11 Feb 2009 11:28

Aero India is being aired live on local kannada channel "Chandana". Looking at Ef Solah now.

rahuldevnath · Post by **rahuldevnath** » 11 Feb 2009 11:29

Walkaround shot of F-16IN

rahuldevnath · Post by **rahuldevnath** » 11 Feb 2009 11:32

Aero India is being aired live on local kannada channel "Chandana". Looking at Ef Solah now

Yep, the commentary is clear as well.

BTW this time around you can hear the RT of the aircrafts.

Right Music!

Vande Matram and Mission Udaan Theme for SKAT

Top Gun Theme for SU-30MKI

bhargava · Post by **bhargava** » 11 Feb 2009 11:36

Rambha is living upto the name. Doing all the jhatka-matka. Man..this is so intoxicating

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 11 Feb 2009 11:55

Antonov Design Bureau to present new multipurpose An-74 at AeroIndia-2009

Antonov Design Bureau will present a program for the new An-74 multipurpose patrol aircraft at AeroIndia-2009 Airshow, which will take place in Bengaluru on Feb. 11-15.

During the exhibition, Ukraine and India are to discuss both the existing and new sectors of cooperation in aerospace industry, Interfax-Ukraine learned at Antonov Design Bureau's press service.

The modernized An-74 multipurpose aircraft is currently taking part at an international tender on aircraft supply to India's coast guard.

Ukraine is participating in the tender in cooperation with Sweden, Germany and India. The European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS), Israel, Canada and Russia are taking part in the tender as well.

Apart from this, the Antonov Design Bureau and the French company Thales jointly presented a modernized version of An-74 plane at a tender to supply patrol planes to the Indian navy.

According to the source, the results of both tenders may be announced in the middle of 2009.

The overall volume of An-74 supplies to Indian defense structures may exceed 20 aircraft.

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 11 Feb 2009 11:57

EUROJET`S EJ200 at Aero India Air Show 2009

Hallbergmoos and Bangalore (ANTARA News/PRNewswire-AsiaNet) - EUROJET Turbo GmbH, the leading European military engine consortium, will be exhibiting the EJ200 engine at the Aero India Air Show 2009. Visitors to the Eurofighter stand (Hall C, No. 7) will have the opportunity to view the advanced technology of the EJ200 engine, which powers the Eurofighter Typhoon, and take a look inside the engine through an interactive engine monitor.

The EJ200 is also a potential alternative powerplant for the Indian Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). An exhaustive feasibility study was conducted by the Indian Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) in 2008, in which the suitability of the EJ200 engine for the Indian Light Combat Aircraft was confirmed and EUROJET was selected to be a recipient of the respective Request for Proposal (RFP) for the LCA. EUROJET is now in anticipation of this RFP to offer the EJ200 for the LCA.

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 11 Feb 2009 12:11

Medicare needs for Aero India 2009 Fully Operational Air Ambulances to evacuate in emergency

No big announcements in India this year: Safran CEO

EADS brings its Tier 1 Procurement Partners to India

SELEX Galileo at Aero India 2009

UK Aerospace to Increase Presence in India