Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 09 Oct 2009 19:20

SSridhar wrote:........

SSridhar saab, any reply from RajeshA ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Oct 2009 19:32

Rahul, no reply from him so far.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Oct 2009 19:34

One reason why India is raising a hue and cry about Hafiz sayeed, is so that all attention gets shifted to him and the pakis have cover to prosecute the remaining smaller fish responsible for 26/11. As it is the others have been caught with their pants down because of the recordings. India is even willing to let the onus of finding the "Major General" on to pakistan, a major concession to pakistan, even though everyone knows who those major generals are.

What is the status of the court cases against the rest? No news for a long time.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Oct 2009 19:40

From TFT

McChrystal identifies three chapters of the Afghan Taliban, which he thinks operate independently and only occasionally support one another. Needless to say, according to him, one is supported by the ISI, another by Iran, and the third by Arab countries. Consequently, these factions are often at cross purpose, a weakness he thinks can be exploited. He has omitted to take into account Mullah Omer’s chapter of the Taliban.

Whereas he mentions the influence of Al Qaeda frequently, he fails to appreciate the extent of it. In Pakistan’s context, far from being a weakness, this is in fact a source of strength for militant groups. All the different chapters of the Taliban, whether in Pakistan or Afghanistan, may be independent of one another, but are unified under the command structure of the Al-Qaeda.

Consequently, each of these chapters is an army and each is tasked by one source, at which level there is complete unity of command. Because of this apparently divergent forces are actually like a multiple pincers movement of unified forces; if one is forced to retreat, the other(s) advances.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 09 Oct 2009 19:55

SSridhar wrote:
saip wrote:How long it will be before Pakis start accusing RAW of masterminding Peshawar blast? If Pakis start believing that RAW is capable of hitting back within 24 hours of any attack on indians, then, maybe - just maybe- we will see less no of attacks on India. This is just my dream.
Saip, I understand your noble thought. But, my fear is that a worse thing will be when we did not hit back but Pakistan still implicates us because of the SeS concession. We know that the Taliban violence and sectarian violence in Pakistan grew out of and are sustained by internal contradictions without any external stimulii and support. I mean that the Peshawar bomb would have gone off anyway without RAW taking any efforts at all. Pakistan is so messed up that nobody from outside need to do anything other than to just keep quiet and watch the fun from the ringside. However, the concern is that the SeS concession should not give a handle to Pakistan to beat us with. In the changed circumstances where Obama has just got the Nobel Peace Prize and will therefore be raring to test new peaceful solutions to resolving issues, what better country can he choose to target than the one that gave the world his mentor and guide Mahatma Gandhi ? Thus, he could exit Afghanistan without much further losses, appease an Islamic country namely Pakistan, and fix a dhimmi kufr India. Win-win on all fronts and who cares about Indian losses ?

Boss, I don't see any RAW footprints on this attack, and besides, this is not an attack that will cause any ripples at GHQ in Pindi/I'bad. An attack like those closer to GHQ is what I would call retaliation. This attack in Peshawar is just a casual all in day's work. Nothing significant.

On Obama winning the piss prize, India better watch out. He can't do didy squat to the mighty Israelis to make any concessions to Palestinians except endorse whatever they want to do. Otherwise, he will be eaten up alive in broad daylihgt by even so called liberals in US. He can't even hint at cutting back US nukes; Fox news will villify him, and some nut case could even go to the extreme. But India is chicken feed, as has always been the case for western liberals to pick as prime target for their fantasies; and Obama has enough ammunition: caste/Daleets, "Hindu extermism", Indian nukes, "Kashmir dispute", man you name it; all he has to do is pick one, and he will have the entire western world behind him, and millions annd millions of RNIs will follow suit. Tough days ahead for India.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Oct 2009 22:37

From Broadsword
India announces foreign policy change: supports Afghan reconciliation with Taliban

By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 8th Oct 09
New Delhi

...

But now there is a shift. In New Delhi today, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao, addressing an international seminar on Afghanistan, declared that India would support the process of “reintegrating individuals with the national mainstream”, code for dialogue with the moderate Taliban who agree to renounce violence.

Ms Nirupama Rao stated that, “the existing process under (Afghanistan’s) National Committee for Peace for reintegrating individuals with the national mainstream must be both enlarged and accelerated. We support the Afghan government’s determination to integrate those willing to abjure violence and live and work within the parameters of the Afghan constitution…”

This change in stance came with a qualification. Pakistan, which is widely believed to support the Taliban and provide shelter in Quetta to its leaders, would need to cease assistance to the Taliban.

In words that echoed India’s earlier warnings to Pakistan on supporting terrorist camps across the Line of Control in J&K, Nirupama Rao said, “(India’s support for reintegration of the Taliban) should, of course, go hand in hand with the shutting down of support and sanctuaries supported for terrorist groups across the (Afghanistan-Pakistan) border.”

...

India’s aid programme in Afghanistan includes: a 218-kilometer road from Zaranj in Iran to Delaram in Afghanistan, inaugurated in January this year; the electrical transmission line from Pul-e-Khumri in northern Afghanistan to Kabul, which has brought regular power supply to the capital for the first time since 1992; one hundred small development projects in rural Afghanistan that have quick gestation periods; five medical missions that provide free medicines to 1000 patients per day; support to Kabul’s Indira Gandhi Centre for Child Health, and connecting it last month through a tele-medical link with two super-speciality child health facilities in India; a grant of one million tonnes of wheat, which is currently being distributed daily as 100 gram high-protein biscuits to two million school-going children across Afghanistan.

Besides declaring support for reconciliation, the foreign secretary also made clear that, as far as India was concerned, the results of Afghanistan’s vitiated presidential elections held in August was not yet a settled matter. Congratulating the Afghan people for participating in the elections in the face of Taliban threats, the foreign secretary accepted the possibility of a run-off between President Hamid Karzai and Dr Abdullah Abdullah, and of working with whichever of them was elected to power.

Ms Rao also declared that India had made up its mind that its regional interests lay in a continued United States presence in Afghanistan.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Oct 2009 22:43

Didnt SM Krishna the MEA say this to the WS Journal and we were all shoo shooed!

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 Oct 2009 22:44

This change in stance came with a qualification. Pakistan, which is widely believed to support the Taliban and provide shelter in Quetta to its leaders, would need to cease assistance to the Taliban.

And how would this be verified? Seems to be another SeS style indefensible strategy...

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 10 Oct 2009 00:02

sum wrote:
This change in stance came with a qualification. Pakistan, which is widely believed to support the Taliban and provide shelter in Quetta to its leaders, would need to cease assistance to the Taliban.

And how would this be verified? Seems to be another SeS style indefensible strategy...

To expect the pakis to give up support to taliban is like asking them to give up dawood and hafeez saeed to India.

It looks like GoI for whatever reasons, wants to go with the US on this "moderate taliban" issue. India will say that pakistan shouldn't support taliban, pakis will claim that they stopped support long time back, and the US can go ahead and make peace with the taliban with the condition that no terrorist activities be directed against itself or Europe. India is of course fair game, and it will repent at leisure that they went with US on the "moderate taliban" issue

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Oct 2009 04:11

I think they are going along to see how far it will go. They know uncle is a fickle person. And might turn around but along the way might act on TSP to some extent. Right now he isnt acting at all.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 10 Oct 2009 04:38

Pakistan's 'other-people's-money' problem ---- Mosharraf Zaidi

The Pakistani feudal loves other people's money. It has cemented a reputation as an important investment for American power by perpetuating its role as a victim of the Pakistani military. But strangely, feudal Pakistan has always been a willing and able partner of the military in all its campaigns against democracy, and the predictable and stable civilian institutions that should underpin it. The feudal centrifuge of Pakistani politics, the PPP, has shed blood in service of democracy, but its record is far from pristine. It has been enabled by and has been an enabler of the military's power plays throughout history. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto rose to prominence as a trusted stud of Field Marshall Ayub Khan. So while his heroism for standing up to Zia's deception and having the courage to live and die by the sword can never be questioned, his political genesis has an unquestionable khaki shade. More recently, while Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto perpetuated the Bhutto family's legacy of making the ultimate sacrifices for their politics, her return to Pakistan was negotiated with Pakistan's military. May God rest her soul in peace, but she too left a khaki tint on the proud red, black and white flag of the PPP's now largely feudal colours.

Within this political culture -- a culture in which other people's money is a fundamental and existential element of strategy, tactics and operations -- the Pakistani elite have been operating in synchronicity with their attendant political conditions.

The military elite, personified by the Corps Commanders meeting at the General Head Quarters (GHQ) on Wednesday, struck first and struck hard, playing to public sentiment and "standing up" for Pakistan. This was a perfect pill for the military. It has been desperately seeking to re-establish its credibility, its legitimacy as a major centre of political power in Pakistan, and by extension its political bona fides. It is understandable that it would seek these things, having had its image dragged through the mud by the fag-end of the Musharraf years, as he alienated and antagonised millions with his bullying of the Chief Justice, and his contempt for civilian institutions.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 10 Oct 2009 04:51

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009/10/10/story_10-10-2009_pg3_1

The stage is set for the National Assembly to deliver a resounding no to the Kerry Lugar Bill. From the United States perspective this would be ironic because the same bill also avowedly states the US intention to strengthen democracy in Pakistan. And parliament embodies the concept of democracy! While earlier such aid-related legislations also contained “conditionalities” that the US waived in light of the importance of the bilateral relationship, some provisions of this bill are being looked at as more intrusive. What happens if the parliament says no? Chances are that the US president, who is sitting on the Bill, may try and get its text changed to remove some parts that give offence to Pakistan.

US Ambassador to Pakistan Anne W Patterson says clauses in the Kerry-Lugar Bill regarding the Pakistan Army “are a big mistake”. She says Washington had gone the extra mile to assure the government that the bill was not detrimental to Pakistan’s sovereignty, but concedes “the draft of the bill was poorly written”. There is therefore clearly a chance that President Barack Obama may return the Bill and ask the Congress to make the desired changes. Short of that, can the military elites of the two sides come to an understanding on the present text?

If Pakistan goes it alone, it will have to brave the consequences. In anticipation of the Kerry-Lugar Bill passage in the US Congress, the stock market in Pakistan lifted up sharply, “outperforming the rest of Asia in the third quarter”. The rise was driven in part by 15 straight weeks of net inflows that brought USD240 million of capital from foreign investors into the market. At the same time remittances touched a new high, compelling Interior Minister Rehman Malik to say “foreign remittances could replace foreign aid”. Pakistan tested the bomb in 1998 and thought foreign remittances could bail it out after the sanctions were applied. But the remittances never came. There are important economic factors that go beyond the “paltry” sum of $7.5 billion which must not be ignored while the national emotion hits the high curves.

The common feeling is that the American money doesn’t mean much to Pakistan and should be rejected together with the American “Af-Pak” strategy that leaves Kashmir out. This feeling assumes that the moment Pakistan breaks free of the “shackles of American imperialism” things will automatically fall in place for Pakistan. The feeling must translate into deep analysis. Sovereignty is a function of great institutional harmony and responsibility, not just that of emotion. Are we prepared for that?

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 10 Oct 2009 07:10

We should not under estimate resolve of American people and it's leaders to stay and fight Taliban. The war is legitimate and has support of NATO. With war in Iraq winding down, more resources will be available for winning the war against Taliban. Obama faught an election on the promis of ending Iraq war and focusing those resources on Afghanistan. With time armed forces of Afghanistan will take more and more responsibility of internal security.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 10 Oct 2009 08:37

IMO the real import of K-L bill and any such bill that *seemingly* encourages a civilian setup in Pakistan and *tries* to bring down fundamentalism in Pakistan and therefore terrorism is that it gives effective free pass for Pakistan and US to screw India (who else?).

In many ways, the aid is really the blood money. Pakistan is being given an incentive to stop being barbaric. So, if some one can pay Pakistan $1.50000001 B, it will be so easy for Pakistan in deciding whether to unleash terror against India and her interests. This is bringing effectiveness in the paki decision making. How is India going to counter that? It has to spend more to buy Paki terror machine and thereby raising cost for India.

Other corollary is that US has effectively maintained its "plausible deniability" of using Pakistan terror machine against India. After all this, it can still say that we have tried all means including providing $7.5B (its a different matter that of $7.5B, $7.499B will be spent on administration of the aid) and yet Pak commits such terror acts against you. It is for you to settle it and may be give them what they want

Everything in the bill is just symbolic. Access to AQK when he is wholly owned by them, closure of 2 out of 100423 terror outfits in Pakistan which makes zilch difference in the overall scheme of things, retention of civilian govt that is wholly owned by US as against by Pak Army which is again owned by US...on and on. Does it make any sense? Not to India IMO.

May be I am living in the past but I still wish to see (at the least) a good repeat of what happened in Pakistan since July of 2007. Let there by more vacuums (political and otherwise) for another 5-6 years.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 10 Oct 2009 08:53

To effectively counter this US-Paki strategy, India has to make an offer that it wants to provide "aid" to Pakistan for the development and reconstruction of SWAT, NWFP, and Balochistan.

We can provide tons of expertise in modernizing madrassas and make high sounding noise about extending UGC lessons via satellite, provide GPS to the elite that can clearly show madrassas and toilets all in their phones, all the tech sounding jargon that doesn't mean $hit.

There is ton of good that India can help Pakistan with AIDS, Swine Flu, and all other emerging and future diseases.

We can certainly *reform* their banking, industrial, and infrastucture sectors.

We can do this all by providing $1 Trillion over the next 120 years and therefore surpassing any aid that US can ever give to Pakistan. Yindu-Paki bhai bhai.

We need to play that over and over and over (this should our song with vacuums playing the drum beats).

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 10 Oct 2009 11:33

Breaking News: Heavy Firing reported near Rawalpindi GHQ

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Oct 2009 11:45

Heavy Firing and blasts near GHQ

Heavy firing has been reported near GHQ army Headquarters here in Rawalpindi, meanwhile, several loud explosions have also been heard, Geo news reported.

According to an eyewitness, the shooting began when a carry vehicle was intercepted by army personnel for routine checking at army checkpost near army headquarters on Mall Road, so the miscreants, sitting on vehicle, opened heavy and indiscriminate firing meanwhile, army soldiers have surrounded the vehicle and started retaliation.

As many as five hand grenades have been hurled from the vehicle meanwhile, the entire area has been cordoned off and the roads leading to GHQ have been closed for traffic, sources said

Army commandos have kicked off search operation to locate some fled miscreants into areas adjacent to GHQ, witnesses said.

According to details, the miscreants are dressed in army uniform while army helicopters have began hovering over the firing spot.

Witnesses also feared there might be heavy explosive materials inside the carry vehicle.

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 10 Oct 2009 11:50

Zardari's personal wag on twitter claims that attackers have been nabbed!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 Oct 2009 11:59

http://news.google.com/news/more?cf=all ... iXVr1RzEWM

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Oct 2009 12:09

Pakistani TV, Express News, is reporting that all terrorists were killed (4 of them) and there is a possibility of quite a number of Army soldiers killed as well. Suspected attack from Hakeemullah Mehsud as a reaction to planned South Waziristan operations.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Oct 2009 12:11

arun wrote:X Posted.

Afghan officials claim Pakistani link for the bomb attack outside the Indian Embassy at Kabul yesterday. Once again the Pakistan based Haqqani faction of the Taliban which has close links to the ISI is implicated:

Posted on Thu, Oct. 08, 2009 06:46 PM

Pakistan-based group suspected in Indian Embassy bombing in Kabul

By SARAH DAVISON AND JONATHAN S. LANDAY
McClatchy Newspapers

Afghan officials suspect that the same Pakistan-based group that's blamed for a suicide attack on the Indian Embassy 16 months ago staged a car-bombing there Thursday that killed at least 17 people and wounded 76. ...................

Suspicions in Thursday's bombing focused on the Islamic extremist network led by Jalaluddin Haqqani. ..................

Mc Clatchy

X Posted.

Yet more confirmation from Afghan sources claiming complicity of Pakistan in the terrorist act of bombing the Indian Embassy in Kabul for the second time on Oct. 8th.

Afghanistan’s Ambassador to the US, T. Jawad talking to US TV Channel PBS :

ISI behind attack on Indian embassy: Afghan envoy to US

"We are pointing the finger at the Pakistan intelligence agency, based on the evidence on the ground and similar attack taking place in Afghanistan,"

PTI

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Oct 2009 12:19

It looks like some of the attackers at the GHQ, Pindi escaped.

Added later: gunshots being heard once again, possibly from escaped terrorists, around GHQ.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Oct 2009 12:26

NYT

Brazen Attack on Pakistan Army Base

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Published: October 10, 2009

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ISLAMABAD (AP) -- A team of gunmen brandishing assault rifles and grenades tried to break into Pakistan's army headquarters on Saturday, sparking a raging gunbattle with troops outside the capital of Islamabad, police said.

The audacious assault was the third major militant attack in Pakistan a week and came as the government said it was planning an imminent offensive against Islamist militants in their strongholds in the rugged mountains along the border with Afghanistan.

It showed that the militants retain the ability to strike at the very heart of Pakistan's security apparatus despite recent military operations against their forces and the killing of Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud in a CIA drone attack in August.

The gunmen drove in a white van up to the army compound in the garrison city of Rawalpindi shortly before noon and tried to force their way inside before being stopped by soldiers, said Mohammed Jamil, a police official.

The heavily armed attackers jumped out of van, took up positions throughout the area and began firing at the troops, he said.

One gunman hurled a grenade, and others fired sporadically from their hiding places at those manning the checkpoint at the compound's entrance, said a senior military official inside. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

He said top army officials were trapped inside the compound.

Police and troops backed by helicopter gunships cordoned off the area, surrounding the estimated six attackers to prevent them from escaping, police said.

The gunbattle was the latest in a string of attacks on Pakistani cities, following a car bombing that killed 49 on Friday in the northwestern city of Peshawar and the bombing of a U.N. aid agency Monday that killed five in Islamabad.

Rawalpindi is filled with security checkpoints and police roadblocks, and it was not immediately clear how a vehicle filled with gunman managed to evade detection. Army spokesmen did not answer calls for comment.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Oct 2009 12:34

ISPR claims attack repulsed with 4 shaheedised and 2 captured mujaheedin:

The News

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 10 Oct 2009 13:34

It looks like some of the attackers at the GHQ, Pindi escaped.
Added later: gunshots being heard once again, possibly from escaped terrorists, around GHQ.

Nothing to distinguish this from plain old Nautanki by the TSPA - as long as we don't see key army honchos affected by such attacks, I will at least assume, that this is yet another attempt to prove "look, we're victims of terrorism onlee".

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Oct 2009 13:46

Arindam wrote:
It looks like some of the attackers at the GHQ, Pindi escaped.
Added later: gunshots being heard once again, possibly from escaped terrorists, around GHQ.
Nothing to distinguish this from plain old Nautanki by the TSPA - as long as we don't see key army honchos affected by such attacks, I will at least assume, that this is yet another attempt to prove "look, we're victims of terrorism onlee".

True and after the next 26/11 in India we will have to kiss the Pakis and say "Poor guys. You too"

All bunkum. It's an inside job.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Oct 2009 13:47

arun wrote:ISPR claims attack repulsed with 4 shaheedised and 2 captured mujaheedin:

The News

Madarsa math?

According to sources, four terrorists, driving a white Suzuki van and dressed in army uniform, opened firing and hurled hand grenades at army checkpost outside headquarters’ main gate, which security forces retaliated successfully, killing all four terrorists while two were arrested.

How?

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Oct 2009 13:50

Hoping and praying that our GoI has grown a pair and is remotely involved with the recent GHQ attack saga (unless its usual TSPA nautanki to distract people)...

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 10 Oct 2009 14:04

According to Times Now, all phone lines have been suspended to military head quarters and mobile signals have been jammed (instead of switching off mobile towers). Probably they are thinking that terrorists have came for information snatch drive that is why they are blocking telephone lines and jamming all signals. Actually any terrorist attack situation like this provides good intelligence about preparators, whom they are contacting, etc., but pakis have jammed signals. Am I missing something in this.

alok_m · Post by **alok_m** » 10 Oct 2009 14:10

Six men of the elite downhill skiing brigade at GHQ killed by miscreants. Also, the operation is not over, some have got away and search is on.

http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=88745

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Oct 2009 15:14

Musharraf makes it quite clear

. . .he said the US should not grudge Pakistan the right to take “essential measures” in response to the threat of an attack from India.

That right, he said, would extend to any use Pakistan might make of US drone aircrafts.

Nobody could be clearer than this. Does it mean that the US has given drones to TSP that the PA now threatens to use against India ? Anyway, we have known since the 50s that all US military supplies to Pakistan, ostensibly against the Commies, were used only against India and some against Afghanistan and Pakistan's own people. Those arms & ammunition were never used against targets they were intended to. That hoax has been repeatedly played and now is no exception.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Oct 2009 15:20

India & Pakistan same-same

Pakistan and India have common social, political, environmental, economic and cultural problems, Neerja Chowdhury said. Talking to Daily Times, Chowdhury criticised the huge defence budgets of both neighbours, and said the governments should normalise their relations and more money on public welfare projects to reduce poverty. Syeda Afshana, assistant professor of media education at the University of Kashmir, Srinagar, and a visiting fellow at the Centre of International Studies, Cambridge University, said the Kashmir issue was the main dispute between India and Pakistan and it would have to be resolved for peace. She said the Kashmiris were the real party to the issue. Actress Nandita Das said if women come to power in India and Pakistan, all disputes and tensions would end. The actress said violence from any side was condemnable. {see, even Nandita Das is exploiting the SeS fiasco}

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 10 Oct 2009 15:23

From the backside in particular, though, unless it is consensual.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Oct 2009 15:25

Pak Army consulted on K-L Bill - Berman

The Kerry-Lugar bill outlines a joint strategy that was drawn up with help from Pakistan’s military, Democratic Representative Howard Berman, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said on Thursday.

He said members of Pakistan’s military had been familiar with provisions of the measure as it worked its way through the US House and Senate. “I’ve been in touch with them (the military) through this whole process. I’ve spoken with Chief of Army Staff Ashfaq Pervez Kayani. It’s a common strategy,” he said. “This joint strategy is that we want to assist their efforts to take on the counterinsurgency, to disband terrorist groups within Pakistan, to protect their nuclear facilities from proliferation,” Berman said.

Berman said Pakistani critics were manufacturing a crisis over $7.5 billion in US aid for political reasons. “This is a created crisis, by people who either haven’t read the bill or don’t want to describe it accurately, and whose goal is either to destabilise the (Pakistani) government, or challenge some of the military’s priorities,” he said.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 10 Oct 2009 16:00

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 300256.stm

A teenage girl was raped four times by a gang who took pictures of the abuse on their mobile phones.

The 16-year-old victim, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was attacked in the attic room of a house in Rochdale on 28 May 2008.

The girl's mother called her mobile phone after noticing she was missing from their home, only to hear the cries of her daughter on the end of the line.

Her four attackers, aged 17 to 20, pleaded guilty at Bolton Crown Court.

The girl had gone to the house after being called on her mobile.

I am of the view she will never be able to fully recover from the long lasting trauma of these offences
Case expert's opinion

While there she drank Jack Daniels whiskey and was possibly drugged with some form of sleeping medicine before being sexually assaulted, the court heard.

Ajmal Alfridi, 19, raped the girl twice along with Imitaz Syed, 20, and Tayub Hussain, who each raped the girl once.

They will be sentenced at a later date. Virginia Hayton, prosecuting, told the court that Alfridi and Syed sexually assaulted the victim while Mustafa Arshad, 17, took two photos of the abuse on his mobile phone.

At one point, the judge was told, she was unable to move or speak, but could vaguely remember Syed being in the same room as her.

Repeating name

Her mother discovered she was not at their house and was "frantically" calling her mobile phone until it was answered and she could hear "Asian male voices".

"In the background and through those Asian male voices she heard a female voice she recognised as that of her daughter. She was repeating a name," Miss Hayton said.

The mother then left home to look for her daughter and discovered her wandering in a dazed state in the street.

She could not recall what had happened but had bruising on her hip.

A day later she found evidence of the sexual assault and police were called.

The court heard a report from an expert in this type of case, which said: "I am of the view she will never be able to fully recover from the long lasting trauma of these offences."

Indecent photos

Alfridi pleaded guilty to two rapes and sexual assault and Syed admitted rape and sexual assault.

Arshad pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting the sexual assault of the girl and taking two indecent photos.

He was sentenced to eight months in a young offenders' institute.

Another man, Mohammed Usman Raja, 20, of Free Trade Street, Rochdale, also pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice. He was jailed for six months.

Passing sentence, Judge William Morris told Arshad: "By taking photos you made a permanent record of her being degraded in this way."

Posting, because the names sounds like paki's

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Oct 2009 16:14

Shoe throwing at an invited American Speaker at Karachi University

University of Karachi’s International Relations (IR) Department allowed an incident to take place that doesn’t cover it with academic glory. It had invited an American journalist to come and talk on “Pakistan’s Role in Countering the Challenge of Terrorism”. A “student” who probably didn’t understand a word of what the American was saying threw a shoe at him, after which the lecture came to an abrupt end. We are grateful that the IR department didn’t let someone kill the man.

The student who threw the shoe melted into the crowd to avoid being caught but later surfaced to tell a newspaper that the audience was “disgusted” by the way the journalist was defending American policies “in a patronising tone”. He said it was “an open secret today that America was committing aggression all over the world and could not be defended”. Another “scholar” of the IR department told a TV channel that the American showed no respect for Imam Khomeini who was a revered Muslim figure in the Islamic world. From the way he was frothing from the mouth, it was clear he had no clue what he was talking about.

There was no consensus in the University about inviting the American and yet he was invited and exposed to IR’s extremely un-academic environment. He was a guest who may have been making a case that could be challenged, but aggression and threat of violence is no way to respond to an intellectual position. The IR department should have first laid down the rules and invited only the scholarly students to a discussion of this sort. Argument could have been opposed with argument because “disgust” is no intellectual response. By throwing a shoe at the speaker the University has proved that it is not worthy of being called a seat of learning.

I don't know if one has to admire the American for his courage or laugh at him for his foolishness. He should thank his stars that he is still alive to tell the tale. The Americans are universally condemned and hated within Pakistan. No Obama with a Muslim-sounding name can turn the tide. No amount of generous aid is going to alter the situation.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Oct 2009 16:26

I don't know if one has to admire the American for his courage or laugh at him for his foolishness. He should thank his stars that he is still alive to tell the tale. The Americans are universally condemned and hated within Pakistan. No Obama with a Muslim-sounding name can turn the tide. No amount of generous aid is going to alter the situation.

Reminds me of another idealistic Amrikhan journo who also put karachi and actually lost his head (literally).

One Mr Daniel Pearl if memory serves.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Oct 2009 16:39

As expeced, Taliban owns up responsibility for GHQ attack

Tehreek-e-Taliban has claimed responsibility for the brazen attack on the Pakistan Army's Headquarters in Rawalpindi on Saturday, which left four of its militants and eight soldiers dead.

The outfit has again demanded a halt in the ongoing military campaign in the NWFP.

The Amjad Farooqi group of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) umbrella grouping claimed that it was behind the audacious attack and demanded that former President Pervez Musharraf be put on trial.

Let us understand something about this Amjad Farooqi group:

HuJI and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HUM) were merged in Kashmir in 1993 by Gen. Naseerullah Babar, Ms. BB's interior minister, for better coordination and called as Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA). They both come from the Binori mosque madrassah in Karachi. Before the merger, HUM was headed by Maulana Fazlur Rahman Khalil and HuJI by Qari Saifullah Akhtar (arrested in Dubai and extradited to Pakistan on Aug. 6, 2004) . When they were merged, Maulana Fazlur Rahman Khalil became the Amir and Qari Akhtar, Deputy Amir. Another important member of HUA was Amjad Hussain Farooqi. One of its commanders formed an ancillary unit called Al Faran, which kidnapped five foreigners from Kashmir and beheaded four of them. HuA was the first to be declared by the USA as a foreign terrorist organization in Oct. 1997. It then dissolved itself and split into its original components, HuJI and HUM. Qari Saifullah Akhtar resumed the leadership of HuJI and made Amjad Farooqi as his deputy. Amjad Farooqi was involved in several high-profile incidents. Daniel Pearl's beheading, assassination attempts on Karachi corps commander & Musharraf etc. Amjad Farooqi was killed in an encounter in Nawabshah, Sindh on Sep. 26, 2004, when he was fleeing after being tipped off by federal Information Minister, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed. Qari Akhtar, after his extradition from Dubai, was arrested for sometime but released later by the courts. He was again arrested after Ms. BB's assassination but released once again. He later disappeared and went into hiding in Waziristan.

alok_m · Post by **alok_m** » 10 Oct 2009 18:19

Not too bad at all!

RAWALPINDI : Gunmen wearing military uniforms and wielding assault rifles and grenades attacked Pakistan's army headquarters Saturday, sparking a ferocious gunbattle outside the capital that killed four of the assailants and at least six soldiers, including one brigadier and a lieutenant colonel, media reported.

Two of the attackers managed to infiltrate the heavily fortified compound, and troops were trying to flush them out hours after the initial assault, the military said. An Associated Press reporter at the scene heard four gunshots from inside the compound - long after an army spokesman said the situation was under control.

http://www.aaj.tv/news/Latest/343_detail.html

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 10 Oct 2009 18:31

alok_m wrote:Not too bad at all!
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at least six soldiers, including one brigadier and a lieutenant colonel, media reported.

Man, avoid an indecent dispay of dancing around corpses. Not all of the pak army officers will be extremists. Need to make friends with amenable individuals.