Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) - Dec 30 - 2009

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jan 2010 00:10

Jarita wrote:Am surprised that we have not seen a coup with the Pakistani Army itself - One side pro something(dunno what it is) vs. pro Taliban
Or has that happened and we don't know

Not yet. That is the end game. We have written many reams about this for quite some time. In short there are two groups in TSPA: Deobandis who think they inherited the TSPA to be the kabila guardians, and the neo-Wahabists/Salafists who emerged from the Pak invovoement in the Soviet-Afghan war. When the Wahabists try to seize the nukes then the Deobandis will have their own takeover for they did not come to TSP to give it away to newbies.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jan 2010 00:13

Aditya G wrote:
ramana wrote:Gagan, Taking out Khasab(btw came operational after the 1998 tests), Kahtua etc dont matter as there is noting ther useful except a make believe Xerox Khan's centrifuge program. They get their supplies from PRC. Plain and simple. On the contrary the Pakis would have attacked BARC. So its tradeoff. Attack a shell and destroy nothing and in retalition lose defintie capability? You tell what would you do?
There should be some circumpsection in rhona/dhona.
In IAF History thread there was some discussion on it, it seems that PAF could have attacked, but it would have been at great risk. On other hand, attacking targets in Pakistan is easier for IAF and it should have been done. The failure to curtail pakistani nuclear program ultimately led to withdrawal of op parakram.

Again it was not in Indian hands to do that. Please understand. It wasn't for lack of Indian trying but one super power allowing another nuke power to transfer the the nukes to TSP. India did not weaponize until 1987 after the TSP aquired the nukes by then.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2010 00:24

Khushab was not ready until 1999-2000 and it began plutonium production then only. This means that the pakis had completely imported bum program till that time.

As far as them attacking BARC is concerned, look at this: While an attack would originate from karachi's two air bases , there are at least 5 MAJOR bad ass IAF bases around, either of which could have intercepted and completely taken out any such attempt by the pakistanis. Very impossible that the pakistani would ever have even gotten close.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 07 Jan 2010 00:26

Indian general public(and politicians come out of them) does not have sufficient courage to face the outcomes and defend its armed forces.
The shameless display by public during kandahar hijack and slogans like "Kuch be do do, par hamare bachon ko vapas lao" should have been instead "Kuch nahi do, aur hamare bachon ko shahid samjho".
There is need to impart Army Training to every citizen so as to make their nerves of steel since India unlike australia/New Zealand live in the toughest possible neighborhood in the World, and that has been true for last 1000+ years. The glory before tthat had some reason.

Gagan wrote: What stopped India from taking out Khushab, Kahuta and Karachi

munna · Post by **munna** » 07 Jan 2010 00:40

Gestapo-like reign of terror existing in Pak: SC (of Bakiland)

Pakistan's Supreme Court on Wednesday expressed serious concern at the human rights situation in the country, saying a "Gestapo-like reign of terror" was existing.

Justice Iqbal also observed that "there is always a mention of brigadiers and majors" in the cases of the "missing persons" and asked "who has given them power" to detain people without charges

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Jan 2010 00:54

US kills 11 in latest North Waziristan strike

Unmanned US aircraft struck a Taliban training camp in the Datta Khel region in North Waziristan twice today. The second strike hit the Taliban as they attempted to recover bodies from the first strike.

"Two foreigners died in the initial attack," a senior Pakistani security official told AFP. "Five militants were killed in the previous attack and six in this attack."

The Datta Khel region in South Waziristan is a known haven for al Qaeda and allied Central Asian jihadi groups. The US has conducted multiple strikes in the Datta Khel region, which is administered by Hafiz Gul Bahadar and the Haqqani Network. The latest strike in Datta Khel, on Dec. 17, 2009, targeted Sheikh Saeed al Saudi, Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law and a member of al Qaeda's Shura Majlis, or executive council. Al Saudi is thought to have survived the strike.

Datta Khel borders the Jani Khel region in the settled district of Bannu.

The town of Jani Khel is a known haven for al Qaeda leaders and fighters. Senior al Qaeda operative Abdullah Azzam al Saudi was killed in a Predator strike in Jani Khel on Nov. 19, 2008. Azzam served as a liaison between al Qaeda and the Taliban operating in Pakistan's northwest.

Al Qaeda is known to have deposited its donations received from Europe into the Bayt al Mal, or Bank of Money, in Jani Khel, according to a report at the NEFA Foundation. The Bayt al Mal served as al Qaeda's treasury.

"The money can only be released on Osama bin Laden's direction, and when such an order is given, it is Mustafa Abu Yazid who executes it," the NEFA Foundation report said. Yazid, who is also known as Sheikh Saeed al Masri, is the leader of al Qaeda in Afghanistan and also serves as the group's chief financial operative.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Jan 2010 03:25

munna wrote:a "Gestapo-like reign of terror" was existing.

For many pakis with short memories, that's probably a good thing to have as an option, considering the state of affairs prevalent in pookiland today. For those with extra long memories and having been on the right side of the "Gestapo-like" behavior, its probably back to good old times (think Zia-ul-Haq and Ayub eras). I guess, its a badge of honor for many pookies to be told that there is a Gestapo-like reign of terror today.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 07 Jan 2010 03:32

TSPA had a Corps Commander meeting today (Jan 6)

The previous Corps Commander meeting was on Dec 16

2 meetings in 20 days is quite extraordinary. Something big is up. We need to be extra vigilant. Surely, there is GUBO pressure but the standard TSPA means to relieve that pressure is what we know...

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 07 Jan 2010 03:58

Patting down Pakistanis

The institutionalisation of suspicion in the form of the new TSA directives is thus an unequivocal statement of what has been known by the citizens of these unfortunate countries for decades. President Obama may say that he has faith in the Pakistani people (and ostensibly in the Yemeni and Nigerian people), but apparently this is not good enough for the TSA to treat them like everyone else. This chasm between the rhetoric of alliance and the tactic of scrutiny illustrates the vaudeville nature of ties between the US administration and the Pakistani public.

By subjecting any and every Pakistani (even those who may have lived abroad for decades) to heightened scrutiny the US is demonstrating that while it can trust the Pakistani military to fight a war for it(TRUST PAKI MILLITARY... ), it cannot trust a Pakistani entering the country. In presuming that they may be terrorists, the US is backing the political statement that there is no need to develop profiles based on actual threat. Instead, it prefers to rely on profiling shortcuts that discriminate rather than yield law-enforcement results.

Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights says that all human beings are free and equal in dignity and rights. Article 2 prevents against “distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs”.

While the value and application of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has been severely questioned in recent years of war and terrorism, the emergence of these new guidelines suggests a far more visible abandonment of precepts that have been venerated as cornerstones of the universal commitment to human dignity and that could potentially be the antidote to terror and fundamentalism

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jan 2010 04:10

This Fuddu dont want to be left behind , Corp Commandus, Dus Percenti, Mandela, Madam ,Shadam etc)
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=15633

Gilani warns against any strategic imbalance in region
ISLAMABAD : Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani on Tuesday said Pakistan would counter any negative trend, through "all appropriate means", which attempts at undermining the strategic stability of the region. Addressing the meeting of Defence Committee of the Cabinet (DCC) here at the PM House, Gilani said strategic stability in South Asia was a pre-requisite for enduring peace and prosperity for the people of the region.
"We are mindful of the policies and trends that could undermine strategic stability in our region. Pakistan will be obliged to counter such negative trends by all appropriate means." The Prime Minister said, "no one should underestimate the strong resolve of the people, political leadership and the defence forces to protect honour, dignity, sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Pakistan."
He said Pakistan was a peace-loving country and vowed that "We will continue to endeavour to promote peace, security and stability in our region." Gilani said all state institutions were determined to work in unison for the progress and prosperity of Pakistan, with the full support of the nation

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jan 2010 04:14

Rangudu wrote:

TSPA had a Corps Commander meeting today (Jan 6)

The previous Corps Commander meeting was on Dec 16

2 meetings in 20 days is quite extraordinary. Something big is up. We need to be extra vigilant. Surely, there is GUBO pressure but the standard TSPA means to relieve that pressure is what we know...

They want to check their salamis after Gen Kapoor and Lt Gen Lamba gave theri press breifings.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jan 2010 04:18

Pakistani Methane Production Up 400% . Demand Of Diapers Double

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... r-hegemony
Cry for hegemony
AZZ ME KHALI

The Indians are fully aware of the capabilities of the first and second strike by Pakistan's strategic forces in case the situation so called for and the amount of damage they could inflict on the enemy within minutes of a full-scale war. It is a well known fact that the Indian government has been trying to prevail upon the United States that they have the potential to prevail upon China in case the Americans were willing to provide the Indian government with the state-of-the-art military hardware. These weapons the Indians are sure will only result in the modernistion of their armed forces vis-à-vis the Pakistanis and tilt the conventional weapon systems in the favour of the Indian army. The support the Indians squeezed out of the United States in a civil nuclear deal is a part of this new Indian strategy. Without the US support, the Indians could remain 15 to 20 years behind Pakistan in the nuclear weapons and missile programme. However, the Indians are fully aware that they dare not take on the Chinese because their developing economy will suffer irreparable loss and could suffer serious setbacks in case of conflict. Similarly before the outburst General Deepak Kapoor was fully aware of the fact that the Pakistan armed forces were not only prepared but had the essential capability not only to defend their country but also to inflict terrible blows on anyone who tries to take on this country in a foolish state of mind

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jan 2010 04:22

If just press briefing casued so much soiling, imagine what happnes in reality. Most likely they will commit collective harakiri and leave the field to the Wahabi fundoos to take over.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 07 Jan 2010 04:40

BTW, a lot of this "patting down" in foreign airports is likely to be done by PIOs (injuns are everywhere

). On one def forum there is already

of how humiliating that has been.

Rupesh wrote:Patting down Pakistanis

The institutionalisation of suspicion in the form of the new TSA directives is thus an unequivocal statement of what has been known by the citizens of these unfortunate countries for decades. President Obama may say that he has faith in the Pakistani people (and ostensibly in the Yemeni and Nigerian people), but apparently this is not good enough for the TSA to treat them like everyone else. This chasm between the rhetoric of alliance and the tactic of scrutiny illustrates the vaudeville nature of ties between the US administration and the Pakistani public.

By subjecting any and every Pakistani (even those who may have lived abroad for decades) to heightened scrutiny the US is demonstrating that while it can trust the Pakistani military to fight a war for it(TRUST PAKI MILLITARY... ), it cannot trust a Pakistani entering the country. In presuming that they may be terrorists, the US is backing the political statement that there is no need to develop profiles based on actual threat. Instead, it prefers to rely on profiling shortcuts that discriminate rather than yield law-enforcement results.

Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights says that all human beings are free and equal in dignity and rights. Article 2 prevents against “distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs”.

While the value and application of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has been severely questioned in recent years of war and terrorism, the emergence of these new guidelines suggests a far more visible abandonment of precepts that have been venerated as cornerstones of the universal commitment to human dignity and that could potentially be the antidote to terror and fundamentalism

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Jan 2010 04:59

Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights says that all human beings are free and equal in dignity and rights. Article 2 prevents against “distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs”.

I guess one needs to be non-Muslim to see irony.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jan 2010 05:18

Here is another one
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=217230
Joint venture for peace
No-Ball Hai Kidhar

I urge both India and Pakistan to show flexibility in their respective pronounced positions on Kashmir. Instead of insisting on resolving the Kashmir issue first, the emphasis should be on an end to hostilities in all forms and building confidence and trust between the two countries which is imperative for meaningful dialogues. I am not suggesting that the issue of Kashmir should be shelved or given up. All that I want to emphasise is: don't give Kashmir priority over the wider national interests of the two countries.

Our national interest always warranted "peaceful co-existence" with our neighbours. Hence, in the first place dialogues between the two countries must resume unconditionally and with the sincere commitment to resolve the issues. There is no harm if both the countries agree to accept the Line of Control, with some necessary adjustments, as the international border, at least de fecto, for the time being. With this agreement, it would be most prudent and in the best interest of the people of Pakistan, India and Kashmir, if the two countries agree to establish visa-free borders or at least visa on arrival on all points of entry and exit, as well as free exchange of economic, cultural, academic, intellectual groups and free access to the electronic and print media, etc., in all walks of life.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 07 Jan 2010 05:36

ramana wrote:
They want to check their salamis after Gen Kapoor and Lt Gen Lamba gave theri press breifings.

Ok, but it is possible that Unkil's promised retribution for the CIA debacle and the reports quoting US officials of "understanding" with TSPA on Haqqani bases has something to do with this as well.

Combined with the IA "threat", both add up to a massive blow to H&D in a manner that is visible to all.

I cannot see Kayani and co accepting a dual H&D insult without ordering 26/11 type stuff again.

In other words, if Kayani agreed to US footsoldier increase in North Waziristan, then what did he get as a quid pro quo? It has to be on the Indian side...

archan · Post by **archan** » 07 Jan 2010 05:39

sanjaykumar wrote:Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights says that all human beings are free and equal in dignity and rights. Article 2 prevents against “distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs”.

I guess one needs to be non-Muslim to see irony.

No one doesn't. Plenty of Muslims will see it. Please stop these types of veiled attacks otherwise BRF is not the place for you.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 07 Jan 2010 05:54

Fuel reserves down by 50pc

ISLAMABAD: Fuel reserves have alarmingly declined by 50 per cent from 24 days to 12 days’ stocks, putting the thermal power generation in the country in danger zone. This decline has surfaced at a time when the whole country is in the grip of massive loadshedding from 6 to 14 hours and in dire need of smooth supply of fuel, media have learnt.

“To ensure availability of fuel used in thermal power houses in abundance, the state-run Pakistan State Oil, which is facing acute financial constraints, is unable to import furnace oil. The two ships that are to bring LSFO and HSFO have been delayed because of non-availability of required liquidity,” a senior official at the petroleum ministry said.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jan 2010 06:02

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Rangudu"]
ramana wrote:
They want to check their salamis after Gen Kapoor and Lt Gen Lamba gave theri press breifings.
Ok, but it is possible that Unkil's promised retribution for the CIA debacle and the reports quoting US officials of "understanding" with TSPA on Haqqani bases has something to do with this as well.

Combined with the IA "threat", both add up to a massive blow to H&D in a manner that is visible to all.

I cannot see Kayani and co accepting a dual H&D insult without ordering 26/11 type stuff again.

In other words, if Kayani agreed to US footsoldier increase in North Waziristan, then what did he get as a quid pro quo? It has to be on the Indian side

If So, then it will make Chacha Daddu accessory to any crime PA commit.By encouraging PA they will end up encouraging Haqqani brothers thus Bin Laden. This golemall is not goona help them in the end . They accomplish nothing if they make such deal.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2010 08:19

On the face of it, at least there is some similarity between Ahmed Shah Masood being assasinated two days before 9/11 and this CIA attack in Afghanistan. The Pakistanis are planning something. It is possible that there is going to be another 26/11 type attack, perhaps this one might even be a JDAM.

It would appear that Gen Kapoor's statement was meant to pre-empt that eventuality by pakistan. Pakistan has tied up with China to try and do a double whammy on Inida, both would be planning a territory grab to try and humiliate Inida.

Problem for the pakistanis is that the Chinese are not ready yet.

India does not have the road infrastructure built up in the NE yet, the artillery is at a serious disadvantage. But India does have a huge superiority in Air Power, and most IAF bases are close to the Border. China is trying to level the scales by building as many as 27 airstrips close to the border to be able to equal the IAF. They will take some time to do this, by then one hopes India's road infrastructure will be in place, and the panic 145 gun purchase from the US will have arrived. China will not go ahead into a border clash without air support, since it is evident that India will use airpower.

Forget cold start, the pakistanis need to brace for 'Operation Salami Slice'.

RamaP · Post by **RamaP** » 07 Jan 2010 08:30

Haqqanis are too important to be left in N Waziristan. Haqqani Brothers,along with the rest of Quetta Shura,would be safe in Rawalpindi or Karachi by now. It is sad to see that the Uncle,along with the Brits, are not seeing the shell game that the TSPA elite is playing with them. When the bulk of drone strikes were happening in NWFP, the Good Taliban leadership aka Quetta Shura were safe in Quetta. Now that Uncle's spokesperson are talking Quetta, it is obvious that the Good Taliban must have shifted locations.

The advantage for Uncle now is the speculated huge number of CIA operatives/ XE mercenaries in TSPA. Intelligence gathering was happening before the surge in black ops in TSP. So, one can only speculate about the objectives or motives behind this surge of black ops in TSP.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 07 Jan 2010 08:37

The Chinese are facing the heaviest snowstorms in decades right now. Their logistical channels are rather tied up, and the PLA traditionally plays the role of the engineering corps deputed to handle the task of clearing road, rail and other infrastructure.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2010 08:51

I really wonder if massa really really wants to take out the Haqqanis at this point of time. They are after bigger prizes and are approaching this problem one at a time.

Now the accent seems to be to get OBL (if he's still alive) and cause as much attrition of the foreign fighters in NWFP/FATA.

All the AQAM biggies are probably supping ISI supplied biriyani in Karachi / pindi / POK etc, while their foot soldiers - the malnourished pakis and the malnourished pashtoon tribals are killing and getting killed in FATA/NWFP/Blochistan/Afghanistan.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Jan 2010 09:14

shynee wrote:Fuel reserves down by 50pc
ISLAMABAD: Fuel reserves have alarmingly declined by 50 per cent from 24 days to 12 days’ stocks .............................

From the same article:

…………………… he offered no comments on oil reserves situation, saying it was not in the interest of the country.

That should give the Pakistani Corp Commanders some pause if any belligerence is planned.

Meanwhile the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is facing ongoing fuel problems.

A news article that appeared yesterday:

CNG stations to remain closed from 8am to 8pm daily

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 07 Jan 2010 09:30

arun wrote:Fuel reserves down by 50pc
ISLAMABAD: Fuel reserves have alarmingly declined by 50 per cent from 24 days to 12 days’ stocks .

That should give the Pakistani Corp Commanders some pause if any belligerence is planned.

It could be that or its an elaborate psy op.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Jan 2010 09:39

On the PoK Army suicide attack

Prime Minister of PoK Raja Farooq Hyder said the attack on the Pakistan Army in “Azad Kahsmir” was unacceptable. He told journalists that the attackers were implementing an “Indian agenda”. PoK President Raja Zulqarnain Khan said the involvement of India behind the recent terror attacks could not be ruled out. He suggested that India was sending infiltrators from across the LoC.

“It is a new phenomenon, it is yet to be confirmed from where these people entered,” he told Geo TV. “The water level drops in rivers during winter due to which one can easily cross the line of control from various points”. {It is also much easier to come from Pakistan's own South Punjab}

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Jan 2010 09:50

ramana wrote:They want to check their salamis after Gen Kapoor and Lt Gen Lamba gave theri press breifings.

Corp Commanders speak up after permission

The corps commanders of Pakistan Army have taken strong exception to the Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor's statement and called upon regional powers to play their role in maintaining peace and stability.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Jan 2010 10:02

uloo kay pathay

Idiots?

Prominent lawyer and human rights activist Asma Jahangir, when asked to comment on the refusal of PCCR members to remove Clause 62-f which was inducted in the constitution during Ziaul Haq's regime, called the parliamentarians 'idiots' and said: "They are uloo kay pathay". Doesn't she think the people of this country are bigger 'idiots', for they have elected these parliamentarians in the first place?

Something we at BRF have been saying for years.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Jan 2010 10:17

anupmisra wrote:
ramana wrote:They want to check their salamis after Gen Kapoor and Lt Gen Lamba gave theri press breifings.
Corp Commanders speak up after permission
The corps commanders of Pakistan Army have taken strong exception to the Indian Army Chief General Deepak Kapoor's statement and called upon regional powers to play their role in maintaining peace and stability.

DT Letter

Sir: It is simply strange to see seasoned diplomats like Mr Zafar Hilaly take umbrage at the Indian Army doctrines (‘Luck must go’, Daily Times, January 5, 2010). All armies, by their very nature of business, propound, debate, war-game and evolve doctrines and plans. They even conduct exercises to validate their doctrines like Brass Tacks or Zarb-e-Momin. I am sure that the Pakistani Army has its own fanciful doctrines, at least two of which are well known, namely ‘Strategic Depth’ and a ‘War of Thousand Cuts’. One is sure that like their Indian counterparts, theories and doctrines are spawned all the time by equally indolent soldiers on the other side too. There is absolutely no need to tie oneself in knots over such routine matters of the military, which will be taken due care of by professional soldiers of the opposing armies. So long as professional armies are effectively under civilian control, and would not take to a flight of fancy suddenly and engage the enemy without the express approval of their civilian governments and without all possible angles having been discussed, one need not worry at all. Be that as it may, what causes concern is the justification trotted out that such military strategies would lead to more terrorism by the so-called non-state actors. Is it not true that if these non-state actors were eliminated, there would not be any necessity to discuss such fanciful doctrines at all in the first place? If, as Mr Hilaly says, 66 percent of Indians and 77 percent Pakistanis polled have an overwhelming desire for peace, how can the minuscule minority, who oppose such a move, mount an attack that will derail positive sentiments? Trouble arises only when non-state actors suddenly are welcomed as ‘patriots’ by the generals. No sir, the response to the next terrorist attack akin to Mumbai — God forbid one more — cannot and should not be tied to the progress of the composite dialogue because the response to 26/11 has not been. May I gently remind that 26/11 happened in spite of the excellent progress attained in the composite dialogue.

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 07 Jan 2010 10:59

People are the battlespace —Syed Talat Hussain
He makes a number of observations, some admissions as well. Worth reading.
Some excerpts

Militants are replacing their loss of sanctuary, the equivalent of a proper state, in Malakand Division and the entire stretch of the tribal belt, with hit-and-run terrorism

The message that the Taliban are trying to convey through this blood-soaked madness is clear: the Taliban are NOT dead and gone; they are NOT broken and neutralised; the local resistance to them is NOT strong enough. Aside from this there is another message: the drone attacks (there have been eight in the last four weeks) in North Waziristan may get some High Value Targets, but these are NOT the knock-out punch that many in Pakistan and the US think them to be.

Militants are now making a deliberate and strong effort to break the momentum of public opinion. They are escalating the cost for the public. They are showing them that the political and military support available to them is no longer ineffective. Steeped in death and inked in blood, these messages are becoming frequent and widespread

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 07 Jan 2010 11:05

Would-be suicide bomber flees militants Small item - need to scroll down in the link!

“I don’t want to kill innocent people in bomb blast,’’ said the 14-year-old Shah Hussain, son of Alam Khan, while talking to reporters at the Malakand Levies post.

The boy said the kidnappers administered him injection after which he fell unconscious, adding that he found himself in a strange place after regaining his senses.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Jan 2010 11:08

All is not well with the Pakistan Rupee:

Rupee at record low

Published: January 07, 2010

KARACHI (Reuters) - The Pakistani rupee set a record low on Wednesday for the third consecutive day ……………………..

Reuters via The Nation

Meanwhile the Indian Rupee is in fine fettle:

Rupee surges to 15-month peak

Swati Bhat | 2010-01-07 10:30:00

The rupee surged to its highest level in more than 15 months on Thursday …………………….

Reuters via Sify

RamaP · Post by **RamaP** » 07 Jan 2010 11:53

Gagan wrote:On the face of it, at least there is some similarity between Ahmed Shah Masood being assasinated two days before 9/11 and this CIA attack in Afghanistan. The Pakistanis are planning something. It is possible that there is going to be another 26/11 type attack, perhaps this one might even be a JDAM.

It would appear that Gen Kapoor's statement was meant to pre-empt that eventuality by pakistan. Pakistan has tied up with China to try and do a double whammy on Inida, both would be planning a territory grab to try and humiliate Inida.

Problem for the pakistanis is that the Chinese are not ready yet.

India does not have the road infrastructure built up in the NE yet, the artillery is at a serious disadvantage. But India does have a huge superiority in Air Power, and most IAF bases are close to the Border. China is trying to level the scales by building as many as 27 airstrips close to the border to be able to equal the IAF. They will take some time to do this, by then one hopes India's road infrastructure will be in place, and the panic 145 gun purchase from the US will have arrived. China will not go ahead into a border clash without air support, since it is evident that India will use airpower.

Forget cold start, the pakistanis need to brace for 'Operation Salami Slice'.

I think that this is a very important and a very valid point. There is an uncanny resemblance between the assassination of Ahmed Shah Masood before 9/11 and the Chapman base attack.Pressure in North Waziristan from uncle is increasing and the PA is increasingly under pressure now. After the carnage of 26/11, Pakis invented a new term for escape, i.e "Non State Actors". When we failed to act strongly at that time, Pakis realized that our threshold for tolerance is even higher. Now imagine a situation when JDAM is conducted on Indian soil and Pakis cry "Non State Actors". To keep us on the defensive, they conduct F16 sorties over Rawalpindi and Karachi and then start talking about Nuclear Armageddon.In such situations, Does anyone think that our present government has the guts to act decisively. Heck, if we think on those lines, perhaps, Gen. Kapoor's cold start statement itself might be the first phase of cold start against TSP

. The reason: One of the most important objectives of the cold start strategy that has been mentioned by various analysts is not to allow the political leadership to dither during moments when strategic decisions needs to be taken.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 07 Jan 2010 11:58

Prophet Zaid Zaman Hamid, who I last recall seeing as a eager fellow trainee in my RAW training course, gave a speech yesterday to a college in Faisalabad. It is the usual nutty stuff that we trained him for in the RAW course, except that this is slightly more masalaful and flavorful than normal.

Being the prophet that he is, he makes predictions that will come true soon. Soon as in about two years time -- "yeh hawaaii baat nahi hai jo may keh raha hoon. Agar yeh kuch such nahin hooaah, toh tum mer kabar per aa kar thook dena, he says ("I am not blowing gas. If my predictions don't come true, then feel free to come and spit on my grave").

Among his predictions:
-- kids like his audience (Textile institute in the Univ. of Faisalabad) will help Pakistan form a United Nation of Islam (khilafat), and they will have the whole world at their feet.
-- this golden paradise will so powerful that all the big decisions of the world will happen right here in Pakistan
-- Amairicans will line up in long lines to get visa to Pakistan just like Pakis line up today outside the Amairican embassy.
-- Green glag will fly on Dehli's lal killa. Radio Pakistan will broadcast from Dehli. And Kashmir will be free, but it will not be alone in getting freedom. Hindoostan will be so broken into so many pieces that the only question that will remain will be whether little Tamil Nadu should be left for the Hindoos....
-- and then, once Islam has captured India again, the Pakis will turn 180 degrees and march on to go and obliterate Israel.

and on and on. These juicy predictions are in the second half of part 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFLoc3ku ... r_embedded

and beginning of part 9:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcBB9-mR ... r_embedded#

Of course, all this is also linked from the "Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid [Official]" fan page on Facebook. RAW agent Zaid Zaman paindabad....

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Jan 2010 12:24

X Posted.

The US’s Congressional Research Service (CRS) has released a report on Jan 5, 2009 titled “International Terrorism and Transnational Crime: Threats, Policy, and Considerations, for Congress”.

The CRS report links the ISI to terrorist acts committed in India.

Extract from page 15 of the CRS Report:

Reportedly with assistance from the Pakistan government’s intelligence branch, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), D-Company launched a series of bombing attacks on March 12, 1993, killing 257 people.65

Following the attacks, Ibrahim moved his organization’s headquarters to Karachi, Pakistan. There, D-Company is believed to have both deepened its strategic alliance with the ISI and developed links to Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT), which was designated by the United States as a foreign terrorist organization (FTO) in 2001. ……………………

65 Treverton et al., p.121.

CRS Report

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Jan 2010 12:35

^ what is unkil trying to achieve with these reports?

I mean is it make a case in congress/senate for something?
is it a new round of GUBO that is in offing? or just to placate Injuns to make concessions in cashmere?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Jan 2010 15:11

pgbhat wrote:^ what is unkil trying to achieve with these reports? I mean is it make a case in congress/senate for something?
is it a new round of GUBO that is in offing? or just to placate Injuns to make concessions in cashmere?

pgbhat, there have been probably a dozen or more CRS reports since 9/11 that have exposed the double-dealing of the terrorist state of Pakistan, their most unnatural ally. All these help the US to put pressure on the Pakistanis (military, politicians, diplomats & bureaucrats) so that the US can have its way. Nothing to do with India, everything to do with protecting and growing American interests, leverage & pressure points.

And, yet, it is a far cry from the days when the triggers used in the 1993 blasts were deliberately destroyed or earlier when the DIA helped Indian Khalistani terrorists along with the Pakistanis. To that extent, we should be realistic and welcome these exposures and use them appropriately. All said and done, I always appreciate the realpolitik of the successive US Administrations, something that India has to learn especially as we become increasingly powerful.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Jan 2010 15:14

SSridhar wrote:
arun wrote:So is this killing of a Muslim Cleric in Karachi Sunni on Sunni intra-sectarian violence with the Barelvi’s squaring off against the Deobandi’s or is this killing a case of Shia on Sunni sectarian violence
The dead guy is a Berelvi cleric, a fair game for the AQAM. Remember that AQAM includes SSP, JeM & HuJI.

Sridhar,

You got the SSP right. This was a Sunni Muslim on Sunni Muslim disagreement with the Deobandi taking a swipe at the Barelvi.

Truly amazing, in a country which proclaims itself fa sanctuary for South Asia’s Muslim’s, to see a cleric of one sub-sect order the killing of the cleric of another sub-sect :

Thursday, January 07, 2010

Pesh imam held for rival sect cleric’s murder

By Faraz Khan

KARACHI: Police on Wednesday claimed to have arrested a mosque’s pesh imam, affiliated with a banned religious outfit, who was allegedly the mastermind of the murder of a cleric belonging to a rival sect.

The accused Maulana Enayatullah Hazarvi, pesh imam of Masjid-e-al-Huda who is affiliated with the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), was arrested in the wee hours of Wednesday from his house in Gulshan-e-Askari. Meanwhile, police is also looking for the two SSP workers who on the directives of Hazarvi gunned down the cleric Syed Ameer Hussain Shirazi, 55.

As per details, Syed Shirazi, who was the pesh imam of Ghausia Masjid, Gulshan-e-Askari and affiliated with the Jamat-e-Ahle Sunnat, was gunned down by two armed motorcyclists in an incident of target killing on January 4 when he was returning home after Fajr prayers.

Daily Times

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Jan 2010 15:16

The delusional ways of educated sections of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s population perplexes Laina Farhat-Holzman.

Obviously the author has not come across the contents of the textbooks used by the non-madrassah education system in the Islamic Republic:

In Pakistan, conspiracy theories trump eyewitnesses

Posted: Thursday, Jan 7th, 2010

BY: DR. LAINA FARHAT-HOLZMAN

For months now, Pakistan has been beset by suicide bombing attacks almost constantly. Terrorists viciously attack schools, funerals, weddings, mosques, marketplaces, as well as military and police barracks. Their aim is to do as much damage as they can to Pakistanis, particularly to women and children in marketplaces — and they take credit for these acts.

You would think that the Pakistani public would be outraged, would recognize that they have a vicious internal enemy and would want them crushed. But not so for large sectors of the public — regrettably those most educated and, supposedly, most worldly.

Fareed Zakaria, a Newsweek editor and CNN news-interview host, was uncharacteristically rattled when he sent reporters out to ask primarily English-speaking Pakistanis (educated and elite) how they felt about these attacks. Almost every one said they didn’t believe that al-Qaida or Taliban did them, despite those groups taking credit for the mayhem. Instead, they believed the attacks were committed by Israelis and the CIA in an attempt to “blacken Islam.”

Zakria was obviously flummoxed by this survey. For me, this was not as much of a surprise. The “Hidden Hand,” the notion that nothing happens in one’s life that is not the result of a conspiracy perpetrated by someone more powerful, is firmly believed (despite any evidence to the contrary) by people who come from authoritarian cultures. They become accustomed to the idea that their own government officials lie, that there is no “official” truth, and that they are victims of the powerful. …………………………..

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