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anuj wrote:
Next, they started a mass hysteria campaign to inculcate fear amongst settlers in Hyderabad saying that Telanganas will either kick them out or kill them. They equated Telanganas with Kashmiri terrorists and militants and urged rest of India to see how dangerous Telanganas have become. When many Telangana leaders tried to calm the fears of settlers saying nobody is going to harm them, they changed their tactics once again
People watched in TVs and internet videos about hate campaigns even if one believes print media can twist facts. No need to twist or dupe people. Tvadis created specter of fear without other party doing anything and Tvadis shot themselves in the foot.

Instead of hate campaigns, Tvadis need to do love campaigns if they ever want to get Telengana. :D
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AP DGP under fire from Telangana leaders for Maoist remark
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/article80303.ece
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anuj wrote: [*]Longest hand holding in India:[/b]

[*]Mahila Garjana[/b]

[*]Largest people singing one song[/b]

[*]Use national media to spread the message[/b]
All of the above can/will be beaten by Samaikyandhra folks. Instead of these gimmicks, T-vadis should negotiate with the rest of Andhras on sharing Hyderabad and river waters (existing usage can be a starting point) and equal and irrevocable rights for folks settled in Telangana. Not only is this the right way to go, you are more likely to get your Telangana this way.
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^^^

Instead I suggest T-vadis take a focussed and hard look at the following facts:

- The share of development after Telangan region merged to form United Andhra State.
- The comparative analysis of other erstwhile Hyderbad regions that became part of other states such as K'taka, M'rashtra, K'la, and T'nadu?

That should help them to understand the real issues.

And
- What the ~42% of MLAs and MPs did to their constituencies. This shows the quality of leadership.
- Why KCR was forced to continue his fasting by his son and daughter even when NIMS doctors recommended to end it in view of his deteriorating health situation?
- Is there any roadmap for Telangana development (where is RM when we need him to write drafts/plans and what not?) if and when T-state is formed?

This should help them to understand that there is no light at the end of the separate-T tunnel.
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^^^
RamaY garu: Very logical suggestion on your part. But, there in lies the issue. No logic will convince the current band of T-vadis because these people belong to the original group agitating for T-state since 1956, i.e. since the merger itself. So, if you say development, they will say we never wanted AP. On the other hand, if you keep quiet about development that took place, they will say dochukunnaru. This is like "Andite medaki, lekapote kaliki." There is no way to win a logical argument with the T-vadis.

If you counter on the development plank, they will say "atma gouravam." If you say don't you have "atma gouravam" right now, they will say dochukunnaru. This knot cannot be untied by arguments and logical discussions.
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I disagree for that implies that people of Telangana region dont think for themselves. The angst is because they were fed lies that their under-development was due to exploitation by people from the Andhra & Rayalseema region and not due to the elected leaders from their region who failed them and lined their pockets.
I believe that the people of Telangana will reaalize the role of the real culprits and take corrective action.
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I was only talking about the 1/3rd T-vadis, not about the Telangana people as a whole. A new political compact is the way forward, where concrete and implementable safeguards (much like the reservations) are agreed upon and carried forward by all political leaders.
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Sarma wrote:I was only talking about the 1/3rd T-vadis, not about the Telangana people as a whole. A new political compact is the way forward, where concrete and implementable safeguards (much like the reservations) are agreed upon and carried forward by all political leaders.

So lets explore this idea a bit further. What could be such a compact comprise off?

BTW can you send me an e-mail to yahoo acct?
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http://greatandhra.com/ganews/viewnews. ... 15&scat=16
With each passing day, the terrorists have been coming up with thinking ideas of spreading their fear and that way, they are now targeting the sensitive spots wherein people tend to feel the maximum impact. While the commercial or government establishments have their own security measures, residential complexes are too vulnerable.

They are now like the sitting ducks. Sources say that the terrorists are now targeting the residential apartments in Hyderabad. They are doing a rekki of sorts in the form of a courier boy, Postman or a fund seeker for charity cause and are getting a full scan of the place.

It is said that the target date is January 26th the republic day. We are giving this information not to spread panic but so that the residents be alert and increase security in whatever way possible. Perhaps special instructions to your watchmen regarding strangers and your involvement will keep things at bay.
I think it is time to stop fighting over Telangana and SamaikyaAndhra. Come up with a compromise and go ahead with Telangana. It will be in the best interests of all the people.

There is a concern of naxalites taking hold over the state. If you look at Prof. Kodanda Ram or Prof. Jaysshakar, they all have a record of supporting the front organisations of Naxalites. But as you all know, no one could have survived in any Telangana institute in 70s and 80s without some assistance from naxalites. The student unions were full of naxalites in those days. It could be possible naxalites can get a strong foothold there. This can't be the reason to stop the entire state and keep this fire going on and on. We will see when it happens. Plan around it. I think there will be a lot of struggle with weak Govt. and a lot of these people who have been organizing these protests for the spoils of the state. It will be a learning process. AP has been screwed by CON party for total blind faith they put in the dynasty.

A recent conversation of an auto driver with my friend who is pure Telangana, not hybrid :lol:

He was told by his colony head that all the text books are printed in Hyderabad and shipped over to Andhra/Seema before summer vacation so that they get head start over Telangana students. They are not distributed in Telangana until after the schools start. :(

Not everything is propaganda but when a lot of people start believing in things like these, you just have to move forward and start with a clean slate.

Check one of these blogs.. This has been a constant effort since 1991. The goal by these ideologues was to create a case by magnifying every little difference: cultural or developmental and create a a wrapper around it accusing Andhras for every thing and any thing under the sun. I think a separate state will start the healing process.

http://telanganamedia.wordpress.com/200 ... _movement/
The Andhra leadership still smarting at the ill-treatment meted out to them by the Tamil ruling ruling class in the old Madras Presidency, transferred the injury to the people of Telangana. But it was not merely a collective psychological problem. What was important was the lust for power and money of the feudal classes of the Andhra area, Kammas, Reddys and Brahmins. While Brahminic influence was eliminated by kammas, Reddys their own lust for land, power and money increased. They agreed lusted for the river waters of Telangana. Kammas, for a long time had been lusting for power. Their anti-Brahminism had nothing to do with the elimination of the caste system. They only wanted to replace Brahminic rule with their own dispensation. But Reddys of Rayalaseema, in alliance with the frustrated feudal elements of Telangana, checkmated them. Thus, Telangana Reddys of Rayalaseema continued to hold on to their lands and despotic power inspite of land reforms. They subjected Telangana feudals to every type of humiliation imaginable. Yet a character from this class betrayed the great peoples` movement for Telangana of 1968-1972.
A marauding capitalism has been superimposed on a casteist and feudal society. The ill-gotten film wealth and colonial exploitation of Telangana water and power resources have created an insane society. This can be seen in the casteisation and feudalisation of the communist parties. The Congress and Telugu Desam of course are the official representatives of this insanity. An attempt is being made to paper over contradictions in the Andhra area by throwing some crumbs to other castes and turning them into a comprador class. All the contradictions of the Andhra area are sought to be resolved by involving oppressed sections into a wholesale exploitation of Telangana link what was done by the ruling classes of West Pakistan in the then East Pakistan (now Bangladesh).
Around 1991 two organisations, Telangana Student Front and Telangana Liberation Students Organisation were launched in Osmania Universty. In 1992 the Kakatiya Unit of Telangana Students Front was formed. A national seminar on small state was held in Landscape Gardens and Tagore Auditorium in August 1993 .
Stirrings of a new movement could be clearly seen in Warangal on 1st November 1996 at the Telangana Praja Samiti convention attended by more than five thousand delegates from all parts of Telangana. The Hyderabad convention was held on 1st December 1996 and after that a series of conferences, group and public meetings have been held at Godavarikhani, Karimnagar, Siddipet,Jangaon, Aler, Ghanpur, Nizamabad, Khammam, Nalgonda, the old city of Hyderabad and Bhongir. The Bhongir conference and the public meeting proved to be a turning point. The Bhongir conference was addressed among other by Kaloji Narayan Rao, Dr. Jayashankar, Prof.P.L. Vishweshwer Rao, Dr.Srinivasulu, Sidda Reddy, Dr.Simhadri and many others who had come from all parts of Telangana.
The job is not to liberate Telangana from a colonial system but also to liberate Andhras from their selfishness and greed which is increasing in leaps and bounds. The liberation of Andhras, however, can only commence with the formation of a separate state of Telangana.
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All those leading lights are known Communists of different shades of red(pink to deep red). And the rhetoric of liberation shows its a Commie movement at the core. If you read the people's history of Andhra Pradesh, the earlier freedom struggle leadership was replaced by INC in 1956 with feudal elements, some of whom were with British, in order to win elections and checkmate the Commies in Telangana and bordering Andhra districts. Looks like what was forestalled and kicked downstream then, is now rearing its head under the guise of self-determination rights fo Telangana oppressed peoples. (Note try to find out who was vocal about such rights before Independence)

Vijayk separation is surefire disaster for Commie takeover. The feduals who run INC now don't know how to combat the Commies.They haven't done it in last 60 years they wont do it in next 60 years. In Tsarist Russia, the liberals overthrew the Tsar in the coup of 1917 and the Commies under Lenin captured power from them. Same way KCR and his ilk (inside AP and at center) want to create Telangana and it will be taken over by Commies.
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Some points given here were already discussed in this thread in BRF.

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10 INVALID Reasons For ‘Telangana State’
http://greatandhra.com/ganews/viewnews. ... 10&scat=25

Why Telangana state should be formed? There should be valid reasons. And the following are the top-10 reasons being expressed by T-activists. Just judge by heart if they are valid or invalid.

1. Our language is different and our slang is different.
....There are 28 different dialects pertaining to Telugu and in Telangana area itself 12 dialects exist. Telugu language has gone through a great deal of change (as did all other Indian languages), progressing from medieval to modern. The language of the Telangana region started to split into distinct dialects due to Muslim influence. But during the last six decades, especially after the formation of Andhra Pradesh on linguistic basis, and thanks to modern education, all the dialects are being replaced by modern and chaste Telugu....

2. Peoples’ movement for separate Telangana state has been vibrant since 53 years.
... To put the record straight, there were only two movements both in 1969 and in 2009 for separate Telangana....

3. We are not asking for a new state, but only for the restoration of the state which existed earlier.
...Telangana State which the separatists are demanding at present never existed in history. Princely state of Nizam was made up of sixteen districts, grouped into four divisions....

4. When there are six Hindi speaking states why can’t there be two Telugu speaking states?
...In each Hindi state there are many standard Hindi dialects and no one is demanding statehood for these dialects....

5. Small states are administratively viable.
...If separated, Telangana state will be the 11th biggest state in India with nearly four crore population and it will be bigger than Kerala and Orissa states. If the separatists really support the formations of small states, they should demand that A.P. state should be split into five or six states.

6. Why anyone should object, when we intend to rule our selves? Many Telangana separatists pose this question innocently. Self-rule slogan was raised repeatedly during foreign rule and against monarchies in defense of establishing a democratic society. Thanks to the great sacrifices made by our great leaders we got independence and established democracy with universal adult franchise. In a democratic society, self-rule theory by a section of people does not hold water. In Telangana, serpanches of villages are elected from that village itself. Likewise, minicipal chairmen and zilla parished chairmen too. Division of a state can be considered on any ground other than self-rule as it may lead to balkanization of India.

7. To preserve our Self respect we demand a separate state. After losing the argument on development plank, separatists started speaking of self respect. Self respect, self confidence and the like are attributes of individuals and not that of a vast society. It is true, poverty and helplessness hurt self respect of millions everywhere. Who are responsible for letting millions go for public defecation? Who are responsible for letting weavers half-starved, farmers commit suicide, laborers migrate in search of livelihood? If the local political leaders are responsible, all these problems could have been tackled with ease and people led a life of self respect and dignity. Bifurcation of the state is not a panacea to solve all the problems related to illiteracy and poverty.

8. When we say that we opt for separation, how could anyone force us to live with them? Most of the leaders propagating formation of Telangana arrogate to themselves the right to speak on behalf of entire populace. ...In India we do not have a constitutional provision for conduct of a referendum on important issues of public importance. If a referendum is conducted in the city of Hyderabad, people will surely reject the idea of bifurcation of the State. It is true, when people are fed with half-truths and their emotions are roused irrationally, they may succumb to mass hysteria....

9. Our culture is different from that of those in Andhra area.
...In Andhra Pradesh, people are gradually opting out of unusual and unique primordial rituals which are different from district to district. Being unable to understand this process of modernization, separatists often express a mistaken view that local rituals are different from the rituals of other parts and put forth the argument for separate state.

10. We are not psychologically compatible with Andhra people. Compatibility is important only when there is personal interaction between people. No society as a whole interacts with another society. So the question of incompatibility does not arise. Thanks to the rigid caste system prevalent in Indian society, every caste feels that it is not compatible with other castes in the same village. Hence, the logic of incompatibility with the people of Andhra area, put forth by separatists looks ridiculous to say the least.
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9. Our culture is different from that of those in Andhra area.
...In Andhra Pradesh, people are gradually opting out of unusual and unique primordial rituals which are different from district to district....
Chittoor has this Jalli kattu ritual (bull-catching sport) for Sankranti. By T-logic, Chittoor culture is different and so can claim separate state :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcCOR0af1i8


PS: Jalli-kattu reminds me of bull-taming ritual. In Avatar movie, they show dragon-bird-taming ritual.
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About K. Kavitha:
TRS president K.Chandrashekar Rao’s daughter Kavitha was arrested by Nampalli police for staging a dharna at on going film fare awards at Telugu Laitha kala thoranam. Kavita, has formed an organisation named ‘Telangana Jagruthi’, under which she and her followers staged a dharna in protest of giving award to popular TV anchor Jhansi They have alleged that she is trying to create joke out of using Telangana accent, which hurts Telangana people.

Kavita who is eyeing for higher goals in the politics, now a day is actively participating in staging dharna, agitating for some cause. Today, she and her followers were arrested by the police for their attempt to disrupt the awards function.

Although her father KCR doesn’t interact directly with her organisation, he apparently trying to promote his daughter Kavita as his successor, as his only son studying in America has shown no interest in the politics. After all political parties are considered as own a property of the founders and ultimately their kin and kith has to thrown it. People don’t need an example for this, as they are aware that all the political parties in India are following the same tradition. Then how can we expect that KCR is an exception for this?
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Telangana 36: Did Andhras marginalize Telanganas?
In this blog, I have consistently used the following words to characterize the relationship between Andhras and Telanganas in the merged state called Andhra Pradesh with a history of 53 years. I said that Andhras have discriminated, marginalized, and dominated Telanganas leading to oppression of Telangana people.

When I use those words I know exactly what I am trying to convey. It is not exaggeration or case of using bombastic words to catch attention of my readers. In this post I would like to talk about marginalization and domination of Telanganas.

A modern pluralistic multicultural multiethnic democratic nation is not run as a game of basketball where the best team wins the game, nor is it live example of ‘survival of the fittest’ where the best group survives while the inferior one just dies out. It is high time we understood that an ‘award for excellence’ is different from ‘access to opportunity’; most Indians confuse these two. Getting a gold medal in Olympics is an award for excellence, but getting basic education and job for livelihood is access to opportunity. While the award for excellence is not a privilege nor is it guaranteed to everyone, the access to opportunity comes as a promise from the nation to every citizen.

Basketball games and fight for food

If in 10 games of NBA, Spurs win over Hornets all the ten times, then it may be reasoned that Spurs are a better team. A score of 10-0 is celebrated as hallmark of excellence. It is not considered unfair practice. However, in a modern nation, if region A bags all the projects against region B resulting in a score of 10-0, it is considered unfair and downright discriminatory. Any observer would conclude that region B is being marginalized by region A.

Suppose there are two kids in a home, one 6-year old and another 3-year old, where all food items are placed high enough so that the kids have to jump up and grab them whenever they are hungry. The taller and older 6-year old kid will end up grabbing all the food while the 3-year old will remain undernourished and emaciated. His growth will be stunted. He will get few morsels only when older kid leaves something after he has stuffed himself to the full. As time progresses, the gap between the kids starts widening making it impossible for the younger kid to catch up.

If a parent continues the practice of ‘You fight it out. Let’s see who wins’, it is not considered a fair practice. Food on a daily basis cannot be an award. It is the basic resource by which both the kids get their sustenance.

Modern nations

Modern nations don’t run like basketball games or fight for food practices. They don’t hold competitions between regions to give awards for excellence. They promise guarantees and abide by them. Even the smallest and weakest section of society is taken care of with preferential treatment. Modern nations do not allow the majorities and the privileged to marginalize and dominate the minorities and the underprivileged.

Instead, modern nations act like fair parents and they don’t allow the kids to fight each other to grab the food. It allocates a fair share to each; and they stop the kid who tries to grab it from the other. Jobs, water, funds are not up for grabs. They are promised to certain region based on an agreed formula. When you deviate from that agreed formula the parents step into make corrections.

Andhras don’t share the same idea of a modern nation. They think it is an NBA game or a match of ‘fight for survival’. In Andhra Pradesh, Telanganas were forced to compete with Andhras on jobs, water, energy, funds for various projects including colleges and schools, hospitals, positions in the government, where Andhras have clearly won over Telanganas. Andhras think it is a fair game – an open competition. They don’t think that bagging all the jobs or getting more water amounts to marginalization. Instead they laud themselves on their ability to win against Telanganas.

Marginalization

Over a period of time, politicians of Andhras have consistently tried to win for their constituencies, and what aided them were advantages of early start where all top positions in administration were occupied by Andhras, clout of majority where State Assembly was dominated by Andhras overpowering minority Telanganas, and also a more unified and concerted stand because Andhras are more homogenous in their composition than Telanganas.

There may not be a single leader who has led this campaign of marginalization and domination, and there may not be a hidden agenda. But Andhras who were in a better position to win the race have ignored the promises they made to give fair share to Telanganas. They didn’t care to step back and think if what they were doing was indeed fair. Each generation of selfish Andhras, aided and supported by innocent and ignorant Andhras, has consistently marginalized Telanganas leading to decimation of Telangana’s ability to put up a credible fight. Andhras kept winning and Telanangas kept losing. Andhras thought they were receiving awards for their excellence while in fact Telanganas were losing out on all their access to opportunities.

Andhra and Telanganas were on two different planes about what Andhra Pradesh meant for each of us. For Telanganas it was formed on a set of agreements and promises. For Andhras it was an open competition where every resource was up for grabs, where the winner takes all.
  • According to India Today, 28 December 2009, during YSR tenure, 26 projects have been allocated to irrigate 43 lakh hectares in Andhra-Rayalaseema but only 16 lakh hectares in Telangana. Though Telangana constitutes 40% in land area and population it gets 27% in irrigation.
  • In a recent GO 1845 of December 2009 for road and bridge constructions, only 9.31 Crores was allocated to Telangana while Andhra got 103.53 Crores.
  • By 1985, Andhras were unfairly given 125,000 jobs that belonged to Telanganas. Though the GO 610 to correct this was supposed to be implemented by 1986, it remains unimplemented even now.
This is only a snapshot of what is happening NOW. The history of Andhra Pradesh is full of such unfair sanctions. In the first 13 years of Andhra Pradesh, funds from Telangana were diverted to fund Andhra. After 1969 agitation, Andhra Pradesh stopped showing records of revenues and expenses for each region so that people will never know what’s happening. Only in the recent time with the RTI Act, the Telangana Movement got another boost because the data is now available; and the data reeks of outright marginalization of Telangana people.

It is clear from every source that Andhras, with Andhra politicians at the forefront, with selected few in the administration, backed and supported by the people of Andhras, have consistently marginalized Telanganas on almost every front.

And yet, Andhras are not apologetic about it. Andhras don’t take responsibility for what happened to Telanganas. Not a single Andhra openly admits what they have done. They don’t even concede that Telanganas were marginalized. No amount of data is going to make them realize this. If Telanganas lost out, they think it is because of Telanganas’ incompetence, inefficiency, internal squabbling, corrupt politicians, or simply an act of fate.

In fact, even the current agitation for separate Telangana is seen as reverse domination, where Telangana is ‘unfairly’ grabbing Hyderabad. Andhras feel they are getting a bad deal. When they fight for Hyderabad they think it is a fair fight. Most innocent and ignorant Andhras are oblivious to this, but when they participate in an agitation for Samaikya Andhra and support their politicians, they are in fact only continuing the domination of Andhras over Telanganas.

Domination

Within the first few years of formation of Andhra Pradesh, Andhras have completely nullified all points of Gentlemen’s Agreement and then went onto annul two subsequent accords. In 1973, they went on a mass agitation to nullify a Supreme Court decision using their power of majority. Whenever Telanganas unified to make their case, Andhras resorted to utter domination by taking the State Assembly to indefinite adjournment. The same happened after P Chidambaram announced steps towards separate Telangana on 9 December 2009.

Dismal scores

In game of Andhra Pradesh, Andhras are leading Telanganas by 200-0. Telanganas are consistently losing. Andhras do not think they have done anything wrong. They think they are Spurs beating down the Hornets, or the taller kid winning all the food awards because he is taller and fit. When Telanganas protest, Andhras call them a crybaby. They urge Telanganas to buck up, catch up, on their own, and be in the race like a true sportsman. They want to keep going in this game called Andhra Pradesh where they can take the satisfaction that they will be beating Telanganas ceaselessly for another fifty years if necessary.

Telanganas don’t think that it is a fair game. They don’t think it is a game at all. They complain that this nation has not protected their interests as a good parent. Telanganas don’t want to compete with Andhras in any game. They want their own state and want to live on their own terms. May be the life as a separate Telangana will be harsh, but at least they know that they will not be oppressed all the time.

And if Andhras are even a bit mature, they will concede they have marginalized and dominated Telanganas. Maybe it was done inadvertently, but they would apologize; and would let go of Telangana and its cities. If I were Andhra, that’s what I would do, apologize.
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ramana wrote:To add to Stan's links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madras_Presidency

And description of Mrs AVN College of Vizag.

http://www.hindu.com/edu/2004/11/01/sto ... 320200.htm

Now this was giant among men

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Even though I think that the demand for a separate T-State is not based on facts and logic but on lies and propaganda, I would be OK with splitting the state as long as the interests of rest-of-Telugus are protected. Had the December 9th statement of the Home Minister been an elaborate one indicating what would be the fate of the rest of the state and had it had an emphasis on the protection of the interests of non-T people, the situation would have been much different; the non-T leaders would have fallen in line like sheep as the Central Govt expected.

The present situation isn't good for the state, and can easily worsen any moment as T-vadi leadership cannot be expected to behave responsibly. We can't trust the current central leadership to make decisions based on either national interest, or that of AP -- they will act only on the basis of the dynasty's interests. The December 9th statement shows their calculations at that time -- it's not clear if they remain the same under changed circumstances.

Prolonged uncertainty and the resulting instability has severe consequences for the state. The Central Govt should make a clear cut decision -- either that T-state would not be formed now or ever, or that, T-state would be formed without hurting the interests of non-T regions. A win-win solution has to be (can be) worked out in case they decide to split. Otherwise, it will be a lose-lose-lose for T, non-T AP and for India.
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Get real. There is no way Telangana state will be formed without hurting the interests of Andhra Pradesh. The force on the non -Telangana leaders is from the Andhra & Rayalseema people and not just their own interests.
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Since you put numbers, we can discuss that. The rest was like 5-year old crying "Ammaaa, Anna ate extra laddooo :cry: "...
anuj wrote:
  • According to India Today, 28 December 2009, during YSR tenure, 26 projects have been allocated to irrigate 43 lakh hectares in Andhra-Rayalaseema but only 16 lakh hectares in Telangana. Though Telangana constitutes 40% in land area and population it gets 27% in irrigation.
Can you provide per-hectar irrigation project cost. It can be for same cost, you can have higher hectarage irrigation in Coastal.
[*]In a recent GO 1845 of December 2009 for road and bridge constructions, only 9.31 Crores was allocated to Telangana while Andhra got 103.53 Crores.
Area-Specific projects will have higher money allocation to that area. Can you provide overall/aggregate of all road/bridge projects for all areas over time.

They built a longest fly-over which was opened recently in Hyderabad. Does it mean non-Hyderabad area is discriminated for fly-over allocation?
[*]By 1985, Andhras were unfairly given 125,000 jobs that belonged to Telanganas. Though the GO 610 to correct this was supposed to be implemented by 1986, it remains unimplemented even now.[/list]
I'd appreciate if you can provide how many of these jobs were non-Hyderabad jobs. How many of these were given in Andhras from non-Telengana area.

Can you also provide statistics as to how many government jobs in Telengana towns/villages (not Hyderbad) were occupied by non-Telengana people. Also provide local and non-local quotas for these jobs.
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ramana wrote: Now this was giant among men -- CPR
Dont know if that caricature is right if one reads VP Menon's account of the Integration of States into the Union. Given that VPM himself was a hard-bred anti-American, some of the stuff he reveals in the book will make the India-UK thread explode in unison at the perfidy thy name is albion.
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anuj wrote: And yet, Andhras are not apologetic about it. Andhras don’t take responsibility for what happened to Telanganas. Not a single Andhra openly admits what they have done.
Well, non-T Andhras don't mind taking some credit for their role in T's development. They ventured out, found new opportunities in T, made investments in T and T benefited from their activities.
They don’t even concede that Telanganas were marginalized. No amount of data is going to make them realize this. If Telanganas lost out, they think it is because of Telanganas’ incompetence, inefficiency, internal squabbling, corrupt politicians, or simply an act of fate.
The question to ask is, had non-T Andhras not ventured into T, would T have been better? I think not, quite the contrary.
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ramana wrote:Get real. There is no way Telangana state will be formed without hurting the interests of Andhra Pradesh.
Why not? If T-vadis desperately want a separate state, they should understand that sharing of river waters won't be on the basis of some T-logic, but on the principles used by Bachavat tribunal. Non-T AP's current share would have to be protected. Otherwise there won't be a T-state. Similarly, they would have to agree to share Hyderabad for a period of say 25 years.
The force on the non -Telangana leaders is from the Andhra & Rayalseema people and not just their own interests.
Yes, this was because the December 9th statement had no mention about the fate of the rest of the state and it seemed the Central Govt didn't give a damn about the interests of non-T regions when making that statement.
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--edited--^^ Isn't there another proper word to describe your view?
a_bharat wrote:The question to ask is, had non-T Andhras {not?}ventured into T, would T have been better? I think not, quite the contrary.
Veggie Biryani?
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a_kumar wrote:^^ Can you please edit the post and remove the P word? Isn't there another proper word to describe your view?
a_bharat wrote:The question to ask is, had non-T Andhras {not?}ventured into T, would T have been better? I think not, quite the contrary.
Veggie Biryani?
Edited. Didn't get the "Veggie Biryani" comment.
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So, again the barrage continues...Veg Biryani, Jalli Kattu ritual and other pointless posts. And the ring leader Ramana himself is encouraging all this $hit - classic case of groupthink, buddy system and underperformance endemic in the system. For all I can see (outside of what's happening on the ground in Hyd/AP), a whole lot of hatred for Telangana is on display here.

Another example of buddy system - People may very well know who are the owners of IT "consulting companies" (body shoppers) - no prizes for guessing and what the modus-operandi is/was ( well, now they may have competition from others). One can say, if this buddy system can screw a place like unkil land with all the regulations , can one deny the plight of Telanganas (of course with all the day to day cases you encounter when you live in those Telangana districts)? Here we have all sorts of people denying the obvious - complete and utter neglect of Telangana. Anyone denying this has either not travelled and knows the ground reality or has a different agenda.

On a serious note: Nothing that central govt mentioned indicated that they are planning to rollback...no major party in Telangna has mentioned or indicated of rollback. That includes TDP and its spokesperson in Telangana continues to plead central govt to expedite the process just as leaders from INC and (of course) TRS.

The issue was/is that of modalities and the way INC went about announcing - From pure management perspective, it simply didn't make sense for take complete credit as well as take complete responsibility of negative fallout from this. It is good that sanity prevailed and now song/dance is continuing. Make no mistake - the previous para talks about the political reality and IMO it is a matter of time. Then some of the posters will have live with all the hatred in their hearts/minds.

Peace!
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Wow. Now I am a ring leader! Add that to the other tags I got. No one needs encouragement for they are presenting the issues. Other than some invective what are you bringing to the discussion?
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ramana wrote:Wow. Now I am a ring leader! Add that to the other tags I got. No one needs encouragement for they are presenting the issues. Other than some invective what are you bringing to the discussion?
Ramana,

I have to say that I like your commentary on most topics and the grasp you have on wider topics. More often that not I see myself agreeing to your perspective. Having said that you have some preconceived notions on a topic and to gain more voice you loosen your moderation perspective.

Well...what is ShyamSP's post on Jalli Kattu bringing to the discussion, what is veg biryani comment bringing to the dicussion..you let it go because of the buddy system. Earlier there were references to "paki" words on this thread..I didn't see any objections from you on that. Those kind of posts are reducing the BRF value to that of Rediff type forums.

Well..from my side, I am tried bringing the Telangana perspective having born and lived there for significant part of my life. I also travelled widely in AP and I know the ground reality. You may also have noted the political reality that I posted...besides all kinds of noise, no major political party still came out calling for a rollback.

We have an obligation and responsibility to prevent negative feelings regardless whether the division happens or not.
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Agree on the last sentence. All I can say there is no buddy system as you allege. its a doble whammy. If a mod partcipates he is accused of bias. If its true I accept. However I don't on this. I thought there was banter going on like a sub-conversation in the room.

And as for ShyamSP let I'll him speak for himself as to his reasons.

As a three year old I recall the decorated gangireddu/bullock being brought around Sankranti time. Hindu newspaper has several stories about the custom in all parts of Andhra Pradesh. Also its a key component of Ganesha's origins.
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Fact is you cannot convince a person who has already made up his mind.
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Of course you are ring leader cum commander cum Bhishma of BR :P

What you say, what you do and how you do matters - because of you status ( moderator) and in large part your contribution. If mods are not around, someone can volunteer the moderation or alert them but when a mod is around...people think.. he is there and yet cr@p is happening.

Apologies if I hurt you but just wanted to get this out.
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Satya_anveshi wrote:Well...what is ShyamSP's post on Jalli Kattu bringing to the discussion,
I thought it is clear from my post there itself.

I gave a specific quote for which I posted Jalli-Kottu. It was to say every district or area or region has their own cultures. Cultures (sub cultures rather) exist in broader umbrella without needing to have a separate state.

Please refer previous post with link title "10 invalid reasons..." where it was mentioned culture as a criteria for separate state.
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ShyamSP wrote:It was to say every district or area or region has their own cultures. They exist in broader umbrella without needing to have a separate state.
So, how does that negate Telangana demand? Did Telanganas deny that every district or area or region does not/cannot have cultural aspects. You create a straw man and then you respond to it. Are you crazy or what?
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The following is a quote from one of the links posted:
The job is not to liberate Telangana from a colonial system but also to liberate Andhras from their selfishness and greed which is increasing in leaps and bounds. The liberation of Andhras, however, can only commence with the formation of a separate state of Telangana.
I must say that I don't subscribe to this kind of $hitty talk or any other such talk.
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Yeah that is Commie rhetoric from those 'intellectuals'.
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Satya_anveshi wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:It was to say every district or area or region has their own cultures. They exist in broader umbrella without needing to have a separate state.
So, how does that negate Telangana demand? Did Telanganas deny that every district or area or region does not/cannot have cultural aspects. You create a straw man and then you respond to it. Are you crazy or what?
Relax 8) and have a cup of coffee instead of throwing words like crazy, ring leader... unless your name got dragged into posts.

That strawman was Tvadis creation and somebody replied to it. My point was regardless Tvadis agree or not where do we draw the line of creating states for subcultures. If separate culture is not your criteria, Tvadis elsewhere mentioned it so I was picking on that point.
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Satya,

It was a potshot at KCR (or anybody who subscribes to that view) for his comment on Hyderabad is mutton in the mutton biryani. No point looking at it in isolation!

At the risk of stating the obvious, its aimed at the POV that "The riches of Hyd only belong to Telangana or T-vadis". This line of thought completely disregards the fact that the "riches" have a considerable contribution from the non-T-vadis. Without which KCR wouldn't have had the mutton to salivate on.
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Ramana garu,

Not sure if we can tar everyone of those as communists. Do you have anything to back your claim.

BTW: Here is the latest of communist influence in Telangana (2009 elections):

Of the 294 assembly seats ( of which Telangana seats are 107(?))
Communist Party of India (CPI) 4 (all from Telangana)
Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M)1 (from Telangana).

That is less than 5%. I would be surprised if they gained any more than this ever.
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^^^
Nobody has so far said one thing insulting or hateful about Telanganaites. So, please drop your grandiose name "Satya_Anveshi", when it seems all you are looking for is to throw invectives at people when they have a different point of view. Sir, there are people who stand for united AP, just as you stand for a separate T. Someone intelligent like you should be able to understand that standing for a united AP does not mean hating Telanganaites. Any dislike exhibited here is for the rowdy methods of the current T-vadis. It seems that you suffer from a terrible complex, and then attribute motives to others. Nobody who supports united AP here is crazy to look at someone else as inferior. Sir, that is not what this is about. But, if you want to feel inferior, please feel free, but then don't say others are calling you inferior.

As an aside, TRS = Telangana Rowdy Sheeters, for that's all that party is.
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Satya_anveshi wrote:Ramana garu,

Not sure if we can tar everyone of those as communists. Do you have anything to back your claim.

BTW: Here is the latest of communist influence in Telangana (2009 elections):

Of the 294 assembly seats ( of which Telangana seats are 107(?))
Communist Party of India (CPI) 4 (all from Telangana)
Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M)1 (from Telangana).

That is less than 5%. I would be surprised if they gained any more than this ever.
Out of 119 seats in Telangana, TRS had 10 seats, ie. 8.5%.
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Dont start that.
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