J & K news and discussion

sum · Post by **sum** » 13 Jan 2010 23:00

Malla and Ahmed were picked up and subjected to detailed questioning, after which they told the police how they had procured the SIM cards and when the cards were handed over to the Lashker militants.

Like the word "detailed questioning"

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jan 2010 23:07

it also means there over 100 SIM cards for use in future terrorist attacks. One thing strange is the need for constant telephone contact between handlers and terrorists. It serves 1) Damage assessment and updates to the handlers 2) Morale booster to the terrorists 3) Provides clear trail to handlers in TSP

Odd that they dont fear 3) due to the Chaman ka tamasha mindset.

I think there is clear case for taking out terrorist camps in POK next time. And if escalation occurs to implement updated Cold Start or Operation Durvasa as Yogi Patel used to say.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 13 Jan 2010 23:21

AFAIK, pre-paid sims can't be used for calling Pakistani numbers.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jan 2010 23:24

jamwal wrote:AFAIK, pre-paid sims can't be used for calling Pakistani numbers.

Then what happened here?

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 14 Jan 2010 00:19

It could be paki sim card being used for the call? Since they know Indian sim cards might be track.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 14 Jan 2010 00:22

Is there some source that confirms whether the intercepted conversation between terrorists in India and their handlers in Pakistan was on mobile phone or radio ?

amdavadi wrote:It could be paki sim card being used for the call? Since they know Indian sim cards might be track.

Paki SIMs can't be used anywhere except a small area around LoC where Paki cellphone towers have enough coverage. Certainly not in Srinagar.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 14 Jan 2010 02:05

jamwal wrote:AFAIK, pre-paid sims can't be used for calling Pakistani numbers.

But a paki can call a pre-paid sim number. I think this is what would have happened

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 15 Jan 2010 12:18

Gun battle in Kashmir town after grenade attack
January 15th, 2010 - 1:47 pm ICT by IANS Tell a Friend -

Srinagar, Jan 15 (IANS) A gunfight was under way between separatist guerrillas and security personnel in north Kashmir’s Sopore town Friday after militants lobbed a grenade at a police station, injuring one person, officials said.
Separatist guerrillas first lobbed a grenade at the heavily guarded police station in the heart of Sopore, injuring a local Congress party worker.

A senior police officer said the grenade hit the roof of the police station building, rolled down and exploded near the main entrance.

“A local Congress party worker was wounded in the explosion. He was taken to hospital and has been referred by the doctors to Srinagar,” the officer said.

Once senior police officers reached the explosion site, guerrillas who were hiding in the vicinity opened fire, triggering a gun battle.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Jan 2010 23:25

So its an ambush. Some terrorists attack a Police station and lie in wait for senior officers to arrive.

Another account of the same incident:

killed, 6 injured in militant attack PTI | Srinagar

A policeman was among two persons killed and six others were injured when militants attacked Sopore police station in Baramulla district with grenades and gunfire twice within an hour on Friday. The constable and a civilian, injured in the indiscriminate firing by militants on the police station in the North Kashmir town, succumbed to injuries on way to SMHS hospital here, official sources said. They said both the persons were declared brought dead by doctors on arrival at the hospital. The deceased civilian who was hit by a bullet in the abdomen was identified as Pervaiz Ahmad, a resident of Hajam Mohalla locality of Sopore, 55 kms from Srinagar. Additional Superintendent of Police Abdul Waheed told PTI over phone that the militants attacked the police station around 11.25 AM and the policemen guarding the complex retaliated. The exchange of fire continued for nearly 30 minutes.
Earlier, militants hurled a grenade towards the police station around 10.25 AM. The grenade exploded outside the main gate, injuring Mohammad Latief Mirchal who had unsuccessfully contested the last assembly elections as an independent from Sopore constituency"

Are the terrorists neutralized?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 16 Jan 2010 00:15

Mandeep ji had posted this in FB.
The Khaki Fidayeen

JAVID AHMED
Inspector

The information was soild, “Ek dum pukhta,” as the informer told Inspector Javid Ahmed. A militant had been spotted inside a college in Shopian in south Kashmir. There was no time to lose. Javid and his three men rushed immediately—as the inspector recounts.

At the college ground, Javid saw a young man near a motorcycle. As Javid approached, the young man pulled out a grenade. Unfazed, Javid jumped at him, even as two of his own men ran away. “I held his hands tightly in mine while he tried hard to pull the pin,” says Javid. The third policeman, who hadn’t fled, stood paralysed with fear while Javid’s fight went on. It lasted for almost five long minutes before Javid finally managed to loosen the militant’s hands. The grenade landed on a road nearby, beyond the college wall, but luckily did not explode.

Click on the link to read all.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jan 2010 00:25

Its repugnant to call uniformed Indian police officers fidayeen. I think the writer is doing psy-ops on them. What he is sub-concisously doing is an = = between J&K police and terrorists even if he is trying to praise the former. Either he is too naive or too enlightened.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 16 Jan 2010 00:31

^
Yeah agreed, but I can see more value in what cops have to say rather than what the writer has to present.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 16 Jan 2010 03:56

ramana wrote:Its repugnant to call uniformed Indian police officers fidayeen. I think the writer is doing psy-ops on them. What he is sub-concisously doing is an = = between J&K police and terrorists even if he is trying to praise the former. Either he is too naive or too enlightened.

ramana,
the police officer says so himself -

Hussain belongs to the 1999 batch of the J&K Police. “It is called the fidayeen batch,” he quips

sum · Post by **sum** » 16 Jan 2010 09:20

pgbhat wrote:Mandeep ji had posted this in FB.
The Khaki Fidayeen
JAVID AHMED
Inspector

The information was soild, “Ek dum pukhta,” as the informer told Inspector Javid Ahmed. A militant had been spotted inside a college in Shopian in south Kashmir. There was no time to lose. Javid and his three men rushed immediately—as the inspector recounts.

At the college ground, Javid saw a young man near a motorcycle. As Javid approached, the young man pulled out a grenade. Unfazed, Javid jumped at him, even as two of his own men ran away. “I held his hands tightly in mine while he tried hard to pull the pin,” says Javid. The third policeman, who hadn’t fled, stood paralysed with fear while Javid’s fight went on. It lasted for almost five long minutes before Javid finally managed to loosen the militant’s hands. The grenade landed on a road nearby, beyond the college wall, but luckily did not explode.

Click on the link to read all.

Thanks a ton for the link.

Hats off for these amazing warriors.

Two Army soldiers were killed, and Hafiz Nasir took refuge in another house. Hussain was called right back. He was in favour of blasting the house, but the colonel wanted to be sure—and took a peep inside. Nasir shot him. “He died on the spot,” says Hussain. It was only afterwards that he and his police team managed to kill Nasir.

I do recall a colonel being killed in a encounter ( first such ranking officer in J&K in a long time) few years back. I guess this is the encounter in question.

“Many Pakistani boys work for us,” he discloses, “providing us vital information about militant activities in Kashmir.”

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 16 Jan 2010 11:21

BSF officials reiterate he is a fidayeen and expressed surprise that severe charges have not been imposed on him

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 16 Jan 2010 15:27

http://bluekashmir.blogspot.com/2010/01/stone-wars.html

Blog post about stone-throwing/tear-gas battles with the CRPF in Anantnag (late '90s by the sound of it)

sum · Post by **sum** » 16 Jan 2010 19:03

Nayak wrote:
BSF officials reiterate he is a fidayeen and expressed surprise that severe charges have not been imposed on him

SDRE soosai bomber?

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 16 Jan 2010 20:30

Militants hurl grenades at CRPF picket in Srinagar

Srinagar, Jan 16 (PTI) Unidentified militants hurled two grenades in quick succession at a CRPF picket in old city area here one of which hit an armoured vehicle, police said today.

The second grenade did not explode and there was no casualty in the incident which occurred late last evening, they said.

The picket was manned by jawans of the 49 Battalion at Kawadara.

Following the incident and a similar attack on a police station in Sopore, 55 kms from here, security has been stepped up and frisking of vehicles intensified ahead of Republic day celebrations to thwart plans of militants to unleash violence.

In the city, especially in the busy Lal Chowk area, which witnessed a fierce 22-hour-long gunbattle between militants and securitymen last week, random searches have been stepped up by paramilitary forces and state police.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 17 Jan 2010 12:03

Paki Insased

Border Security Force (BSF) troopers on Sunday killed an infiltrator who was trying to sneak into the Indian Territory in Ranbirsinghpora sector from the Line of Control (LoC) that divides Jammu and Kashmir between India and Pakistan.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 17 Jan 2010 13:39

sum wrote: BSF officials reiterate he is a fidayeen and expressed surprise that severe charges have not been imposed on him

SDRE soosai bomber?[/quote]

Looks more like a idlee sambar eating south indian duffer. What is happening to the TFTA wannabee descending from Arabee genes ?

AjitK · Post by **AjitK** » 17 Jan 2010 19:48

25 top militants set up base in Sopore

Posting entire article.

After throwing a grenade at the Sopore police station on Friday morning, the four militants armed with AK rifles didn’t flee. Instead, they waited a dozen yards away in the neighbourhood across the street.

An hour later, when a police party tried to cordon off the neighbourhood, they returned to the gate of the police station, throwing grenades and opening fire at the personal guards of the Superintendent of Police who was inside.

The encounter, which killed one policeman and a civilian and injured four policemen on Friday, is the seventh such attack this year. But the manner in which the militants attacked a police station in broad daylight in the middle of Sopore town has shocked the security establishment.

In fact, there are ample signs that after a hiatus of three years, militancy has returned with vigour. And Sopore town —a one-time hub of the Valley’s pro-Pakistan militant groups—is back as the centre of this renewed militant movement.

The J&K Police has confirmed the presence of 25 top militants active in Sopore alone while putting the adjoining 14 villages of Zaingeer belt that connects Sopore town to Bandipore as the new militant hub in north Kashmir.

Police sources suggest that the three top commanders of Lashkar, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen and Hizbul are hiding in this area. Identified as Abdullah Unny of Lashkar, Nouman of Harkat and Hizbul Mujahideen’s old hand Dawood, the police say the militants have revived their networks and established links between their new hideouts in Kupwara, Sopore and Bandipore.

Inspector General of J&K Police, Kashmir range, Farooq Ahmad said that there is presence and movement of militants especially Lashkar in Sopore town and the adjoining villages of Zainageer. “This is a problem and we are making serious effort to address it,” he said. The presence of militants in Sopore town is no longer underground. Police sources reveal that Lashkar’s top commander Abdullah Unny had been moving around freely till the local police released his pictures recently.

Then the recent fidayeen attack in Lalchowk where two militants engaged the police and the security forces in a stand-off for more than 22 hours too had originated in Sopore. The local militant Manzoor Ahmad alias Usman who was part of the fidayeen squad and was killed in the Lalchowk stand-off was from a village in the outskirts of Sopore town. Then the police traced the location of Harkat commander Nouman—who was directing the two militants during the Lalchowk encounter—to Sopore town.

Senior police officers told The Indian Express that the reason as to why the militants have been able to establish their network effectively in Sopore town and the adjoining Zainageer belt is the ideological background of the majority of the people in this area. “It has been very difficult to generate information about the militant movement or their hideouts. The militants have support here,” a senior officer said. “Sopore-Zainageer is a traditional support base of separatists, especially pro-Pakistan groups.”

The militant presence is, however, not limited to Sopore and Zainageer alone. The J&K Police’s internal assessment suggests that there are more than 50 militants active in Lolab which is connected to both Zainageer and Bandipore through mountain passes. Police also reveal that there is a new militant module consisting of 25 militants in Rajwar belt.

South Kashmir is also not calm. Sources in the J&K police reveal that there is new militant infiltration in Anantnag and Kulgam areas. “We have no idea about the number of the militants,” a top police officer said. The police have identified Tral, Kellar and Damhal Hanjipora as the new militant hubs across South Kashmir. “Our inputs suggest that there are 15 militants active in Tral while five top militants are roaming around Kellar,” the officer said.

The militants have also attacked the source base of the security agencies in south Kashmir. In fact, the killing of Gulzar Ahmad Dar alias Khalil — a former militant-turned-source was a major blow to the police and security forces in Kulgam. Sources reveal that the militants have already killed “six to seven sources of police and other security agencies” — a move that has helped militants regroup.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 17 Jan 2010 21:05

Ok...lot of "activities" in J&K. It got brazen more so after the General's statement. What is actually happening ? Is Pak try to use this as an excuse to move the troops to east ? Or, is there more sinister design behind this move of new found enthu in kindling the dying spirit of terrorism in J&K valley ? Or, just a warning to Indians, in case, if we have any design against Pakistan ? Or, its a move to hold the Army back in the valley ?

negi · Post by **negi** » 17 Jan 2010 21:22

^ No I think General made his comments after receiving inputs of heightened militant activity across the LOC and in the valley in order to fore warn the handlers in TSP about the repercussions of such a misadventure .

IA troop strength at the forward stations and LOC remains unchanged so I think from Indian perspective nothing changes as far as infiltration is concerned .

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 17 Jan 2010 21:52

Did we ever went to war for terrorism in J&K ? No. But we went to war over J&K.

negi · Post by **negi** » 17 Jan 2010 22:04

We never ever went to war what we did was merely fend off the attacks . As for J&K I am still struggling to figure out as to what the hell did GOI in past 60 years for its just another piece of bone which it can neither swallow nor throw up .

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 17 Jan 2010 22:31

negi wrote:We never ever went to war what we did was merely fend off the attacks . As for J&K I am still struggling to figure out as to what the hell did GOI in past 60 years for its just another piece of bone which it can neither swallow nor throw up .

While I cannot comment on the ability and resolve of our political leadrship, Indian Army for sure had planned the offensive into and capture of POK. It was called OP Trident and as per Ravi Rikhye (of Orbat.Com), the Brasstacks in 1987 was an elaborate ruse for the hammer that was to fall on POK. 6th Mountain Division was airlifted/shifted to Leh from peace time locations in western UP to carry out the operations. Our amreeki freinds tipped off the PA and PA reinforced the sector in double time. And ofcourse, the political leadership chickened out and lost heart.

Those in the US, please google for the book - 1987-The War That Never Was : The Story Of India's Strategic Failures.Its an excellent primer on the military geography and orbat and various operational complusions/requirement wrt deployment of troops. It dated but never the less a must have.

negi · Post by **negi** » 17 Jan 2010 22:48

^ That was not the only lost opportunity for I was not talking about preemptive strikes

, hell it is not something which India will ever resort to given its splendid track record. In the world history every time there was a war between two countries the country with upper hand at least took the conflict to a logical conclusion in form of war damages or taking over a strategic piece of land to ward of future misadventures . India has failed to that that every time opportunity presented itself and it is not surprising that every time the adversary has exploited such foolishness.

For instance Kargil conflict was not only another shining example of intelligence failure but overall exhibition of chicanery from all quarters when military could have crossed the LOC and captured key heights to deny the view of NH-1 and other key posts, but TSP was not made to pay and we had pompous people mobilising for parakaram for nothing ; to add to the chutzpah we heard empty shrill rhetoric about severe consequences if TSP indulges in any such misadventure again and to latter's credit they did their part in 26/11 and rest as they is history.

One can present a zillion excuses under the garb of rationalism or chanakianism to justify inaction but I am afraid there is no genuine reason.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 17 Jan 2010 22:55

^^^ We keep attributing all these actions to Chankianism but eventually
"If it smells like s*(& and looks like S^&t then it is shit"
This also defines the current govts policies both towards CHina and Pakistan. We keep attributing it to Chankianism but frankly there have been do many faux pas and anxiety inducing moves that it looks and smells like...
Either our govt is full of traitors or is incredibly foolish and inept. Either way is bad for us

negi · Post by **negi** » 17 Jan 2010 23:03

Either our govt is full of traitors or is incredibly foolish and inept.

Avoid such statements for your rest of the post will be ignored and you will be flogged around by latching up to the above statement. Hell these days someone might carry out a major

in feedback dhaga over this.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 18 Jan 2010 05:58

pgbhat wrote:Paki Insased
Border Security Force (BSF) troopers on Sunday killed an infiltrator who was trying to sneak into the Indian Territory in Ranbirsinghpora sector from the Line of Control (LoC) that divides Jammu and Kashmir between India and Pakistan.

DDM. Ranbirsinghpura (RS Pura) is south of Jammu along the International Border.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 18 Jan 2010 10:35

JeM Paki turned into fertilizer

DIG Rajouri-Poonch range S D Singh told the Excelsior tonight that a top militant gunned down in a joint operation by Army and police at Narol forests tonight has been identified as Abdullah Sani alias Dawood son of Fazal Jat, a resident of Dabowal, Pakistan, who was operating as Jaish chief and ‘divisional commander’ for Poonch district. Besides being the Jaish chief for Poonch district, Dawood was also co-ordinating activities of all militant outfits and was involved in luring youths into militancy.

One AK-56 rifle with three magazines, one I Com radio set, a mobile telephone, five identity cards of different agencies, a holy book, one pouch, one currency note of Rs 1000 and three of Rs 500 were recovered from the site of encounter. SSP Poonch Manmohan Singh supervised police team in the operation, while troops of 37 and 39 Rashtriya Rifles joined by the Special Operations Group (SOG) laid a cordon in entire Balakote and Mendhar sectors.

Pakis in lal Chowk encounter were controlled from Zaffarwal in Pakjab

Pakistan, according to sources, deliberately wants to dissociate LeT with the fidayeen attack as it directly shifts the blame on ISI or Pakistan Army. "It was in this context that HuM commander Noman was asked by the Pakistani handlers of the operation to speak to Qari and Usmaan frequently to take responsibility of the encounter", they said, adding the calls made by Noman during Lal Chowk encounter have been traced between Kupwara and Sopore which indicated that he was travelling on this route while making calls.

However, the frequent calls were made on the Cell No. of Qari from LeT’s Zaffarwal control centre in Lahore district. The two Pakistani numbers from where the calls have been made belonged to LeT’s Zaffarwal control centre from where the entire fidayeen operation was managed.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 18 Jan 2010 12:37

BSF foils infiltration bids along Indo-Pak border

Jammu, Jan 18 (PTI) The BSF today foiled two infiltration bids by militants along Indo-Pak border here, officials said.

A group of at least 5 militants entered the Indian territory and came close to border fencing in Suchetgarh forward defence location along the International Border in R S Pura sub-sector of the district, they said.

They were trying to cut the fencing when the BSF patrol party fired at them, the officials said, adding the militants managed to escaped.

The BSF foiled another infiltration bid by a group of militants in Tent Border Out post in Kanachak belt of Jammu this morning, they said.

Search operations have been launched to nab them.

Today's infiltration bid was the 11th in past fortnight.

The first infiltration attempt this year was foiled by BSF at Narianpur Border outpost in Ramgarh sub-sector of Samba district on January 4.

negi · Post by **negi** » 19 Jan 2010 13:36

Pakistani troops fire into India for over an hour

JAMMU: Pakistani troops fired at an Indian border post in the Krishna Ghati sector of Poonch district for over an hour Monday night, an army officer said here. There were no casualties.

The Pakistani troops from Kaddu post fired at Kranti post on the Indian side, the officer said, adding that the firing was unprovoked. "They fired with machine guns and rockets for over an hour on our position," a brigadier general of the Indian Army's 16 Corps said Tuesday.

Pointing out that this was yet another violation of the November 2003 ceasefire agreement between the two countries, the officer said the Indian side retaliated to the firing.

He added that the Indian side was yet to ascertain the reason for the firing which could be "cover fire to infiltrators or some other reason. But the matter shall be taken up with Pakistan in a serious way".

Infiltration attempts from Pakistan and firing across the border have been on the rise in recent months. The Border Security Force (BSF) has foiled about a dozen infiltration attempts this year near Jammu.

Deputy Inspector General (DIG) of BSF J.B. Sangwan said that the infiltration focus from the border near Jammu "signifies that militants were planning strikes in and around Jammu. We are on alert to foil such attempts."

Security forces are anyway on high alert in the run-up to Republic Day, with additional deployment at vulnerable places.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 19 Jan 2010 21:42

Why is the govt. listening to Sachar
http://thekashmir.wordpress.com/

January 18, 2010India-Pakistan Road Map to Peace: Insult to Indian Patriots
By Kamal Hak

The 150-odd gathering in the India International Centre Auditorium was oblivious of the irony of the situation. While Yaseen Malik, self-proclaimed father of religious terrorism in Kashmir, was threatening the nation with a return to arms, a couple of highly agitated Kashmiri Pandits outside were inhumanly dragged into police custody. Their fault? They were trying to be mirrors to reflect the failure of Indian civil society towards their internal displacement in the land.

In my heart of hearts, I was glad Rajinder Sachar provided us an opportunity to give vent to our pent-up frustrations. Listening to Sachar’s apologetic introduction on ‘Indian treachery in annexing Kashmir’ (yes, it’s true, he said that), I found reasons for continuing my struggle for a separate homeland in Kashmir.Yaseen Malik was not destined to have it easy that day. This group of young displaced Kashmiri Hindu boys and girls were determined to make the event memorable for him. He looked ruffled. As somebody pointed out, no man would like to be damned as a ‘ra—t’ in the presence of his wife. Later, his repeated attempts to explain his position clearly betrayed his discomfort and invited more protests

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 19 Jan 2010 22:48

Anti-tank rocket seized in J&K
19 Jan 2010, 1816 hrs IST

A stunning recovery of arms made in Kishtwar in Jammu has set the alarm bells ringing in security circles - in fact, for the first time ever during last the two decades of terrorism in the valley.

Weaponry of heavy caliber like - anti-tank rifle grenades, 6 of them - were recovered from a terrorist hideout.

The seizure brings true one of the worst fears of the security agencies fighting insurgency in J&K. Besides AK rifles, Pakistan is now equipping terrorists with high caliber weaponry to inflict maximum casualty on security forces.

The Taliban have been seen to be using such weapons in their fight against US troops in FATA in Pakistan and Afghanistan causing devastating effect on armoured vehicles and personnel carriers.

Some features of a rocket grenade:

- Compared to a hand grenade, a rocket grenade can carry a heavier payload.

- Its aim is accurate when targeting distant targets.

- Unlike hand grenades, they detonate upon impact, and can easily cover a distance of 300 yards.

These rocket grenades are usually used to destroy humvees and armoured tanks. Penetrating through a tank obviously isn't easy, so these grenades are fired with an accurate aim to kill soldiers who are patrolling areas using tanks.

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 Jan 2010 09:15

A stunning recovery of arms made in Kishtwar in Jammu has set the alarm bells ringing in security circles - in fact, for the first time ever during last the two decades of terrorism in the valley.

Weaponry of heavy caliber like - anti-tank rifle grenades, 6 of them - were recovered from a terrorist hideout.

We are seeing a very rapid escalation in violence levels and tactics in J&K. The Pakis are really upping the ante. Wonder how we will respond?

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 20 Jan 2010 09:53

negi wrote:
For instance Kargil conflict was not only another shining example of intelligence failure but overall exhibition of chicanery from all quarters when military could have crossed the LOC and captured key heights to deny the view of NH-1 and other key posts, but TSP was not made to pay and we had pompous people mobilising for parakaram for nothing ; to add to the chutzpah we heard empty shrill rhetoric about severe consequences if TSP indulges in any such misadventure again and to latter's credit they did their part in 26/11 and rest as they is history.

It maybe worth noting that artillery used in Kargil was way greater in numbers than the normal complement of a Division. The ammunition requirement too was therefore greater than what a Division is stocked with.

Therefore, this obviously came from elsewhere, especially the Bofors and its ammunition. Thus, in those areas, there would be a void.

Take the scenario that should we have gone about crossing the LC, then surely with a dreamer like Musharraf, there was always the possibility of the war being enlarged into a larger war all along the LC and IB - spanning from the North to the Kutch.

With areas void of the requisite guns (they are deployed based on the threat perception), what would be the outcome?

In that context the report below is important to understand the situation prevailing on going in for an all out war.

This military-bureaucrat nexus nearly pushed through the lease of 40 towed Denel T-6 howitzers - currently undergoing trials - during panic buying by the Army during the Kargil conflict.

Military sources said that Lt.Gen. Shamsher S. Mehta, then Deputy Chief of Army Staff (Planning and Systems) in charge of procurements and now the Western Army Commander, had proposed leasing the T-6 howitzers in June 1999 with the eventual aim of acquiring them in large numbers once the border war ended. The proposal, which moved rapidly upwards in the MoD for approval in a system known for its unhurried approach to even crisis situations, stressed the "commonality" factor between the towed howitzer and Bhim.
Voids

I, for one, would like to believe that the powers that be, weighed up the pros and cons and took a very deliberate decision.

negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Jan 2010 22:47

^ RayC but this is even more alarming so in future do we expect to ask for a time out in midst of a WAR

and then in a rush procure weapons at exorbitant price from market ? And today more than 10 years after Kargil where are we with the ARTY pieces ? At the end of the day ball remains in GOI's court .

Anyways thanks for that link , I wonder what does CAG and finance ministry have to say when MoD in the middle of a war wakes up from sleep and decides to purchase arms/ammo I am sure it will be more expensive than buying a similar platform via a FMS/tendering process during peacetime where GOi has all the time in the world to negotiate and bargain.

Btw does this mean Jernail Gola was right about his assessment of IA's preparedness as far as fighting a full scale war is concerned ?

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 21 Jan 2010 14:36

If Paki terrorists are trying to infiltrate from Kanhachak, Akhnoor sectors, it means that they are trying another hostage drama like they managed last year in same area. Armed terrorists have little chance of escaping notice or merging with local populace in these areas.

In other news:
Centre lifts ban on pre-paid mobile phones in J&K

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ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 21 Jan 2010 15:11

^^ IA and BSF should butcher these pigs crossing over and throw them on the top of trees so that atleast wildlife can benefit. These psycho's have learned that hostage taking is proving more popular and effective way after Mumbai. They should be replied back in a brutal way in the language that will terrorize these terrorists, atleast we should make a VCD of torture techniques, waterboarding etc and sneak it into these terror cells to make them aware of what lies ahead. A head for 1 eye should be the new mantra in dealing with terrorists.