Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Apr 2010 23:34

Gagan, India has to decide what it wants to do. Right now its in eternal reactive mode. Having not used up the armed option despite grave provocation and knowing the forces behind the TSP, India has to decide what it wants to do. Till then its all just self-flagellating.

One big idea is to delink "Islamic" from Paki terrorists. BRaman falls for the usual trap by using the word ISlamic to describe nuke terrorism from TSP. If TSP is Islamic, I am the Pope. TSP is playing power politics plain and simple and uses Islam as a card which weakens Indian resolve.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Apr 2010 23:42

I have been thinking along these lines.

IB should get an external economic intelligence wing. A massive effort to trace all the money of RAPEs should be done. Followed by a huge pile of evidence which can be leaked from time to time. Will be a massive ammo for psyops and puppetry. Evidence leaked to selected Journos. Evidence leaked to opposition parties. Ityadi.

That is one way of controlling the RAPEs without hurting the mango abdul. Remember that for a majority, it is all about the money.

Ameet · Post by **Ameet** » 29 Apr 2010 00:01

Gagan wrote:The city of Sialkot where Shoaib is from is a "B" level city by pakistani standards. That'll be like a "C" level city by Indian standards.
Very poor infrastructure and potholed roads, no electircity most of the time is what Sialkot is like.
Add to that pakistanis - narrow minded and over-religious and overtly overly politically correct

My my what a difference from the city of Hyderabad!
And Sania mirza will be shuttling up and down from that city.

Yuck!

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Even the heart of the subcontinent, Lahore seems to be a musharraf-hole. Surprising that even a high profile "event" like this, they did not go all out. Hopefully, this means Pakis are running out of food. Looking forward to hearing how India took all the animals during partition, so Pakis are starving now.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story ... nruly.html

In accordance with the rules of the Punjab government banning the serving of more than one dish at wedding functions, guests were served a chicken 'korma' with rice and naans and a dessert.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Apr 2010 01:21

Gagan wrote:The city of Sialkot where Shoaib is from is a "B" level city by pakistani standards. That'll be like a "C" level city by Indian standards. Very poor infrastructure and potholed roads, no electircity most of the time is what Sialkot is like. Add to that pakistanis - narrow minded and over-religious and overtly overly politically correct

On the other hand, in Hyderabad, she is "just another celebrity" whereas in Sialkot, she will be a queen bee among the worker bees,

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 29 Apr 2010 02:00

Manmohan, Gilani meeting today

http://www.hindu.com/2010/04/29/stories ... 431300.htm

New Delhi feels Islamabad has not done enough to book all those responsible for Mumbai attacks

It is unhappy with freedom allowed in Pakistan to some of the masterminds

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Apr 2010 02:27

Ms. Gupta
Behind India's Bust of a Pakistan Spy

"At 53, she was bored, alone and attractive. Single, but definitely one step ahead to mingle." That's how the man who led the operation to bust Madhuri Gupta, the first Indian diplomat to be found spying for Pakistan, described her.

Yet it was a silly indiscretion — sending e-mails to her spy bosses from her office computer — that finally led to her arrest.

"Her spy game was up the moment a Joint Secretary — an IB officer — inside the Islamabad mission suspected her around October 2009 and reported back" Over the next six months, Gupta's every step was monitored.

She was even fed with incorrect information to be passed on to her Pakistan handlers, suspected to be from the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI).

analysts in Islamabad saw her arrest as an attempt to scupper upcoming planned talks between India's and Pakistan's prime ministers.

Almeida notes that espionage efforts to "turn" the other country's diplomats are par for the course between the long-time rivals,

Indian government sources say Gupta had been spying for Pakistan since September 2008. "We have reasons to believe that she was not recruited inside Pakistan," says a senior officer in R&AW. "Possibly she was picked up and nurtured either in Baghdad or Kuala Lumpur where she was posted earlier." The agency also says this could have been a reason why she was keen for a Pakistan posting — usually a last choice among Indian diplomats and intelligence officials.

Sources told TIME that she has told interrogators that she spied for Pakistan to settle scores with senior Indian diplomats who mistreated her during her early career.

She has also reportedly confessed that a prominent Pakistani journalist put her in touch with Pakistani intelligence officers.

Gupta claims she was romantically involved with "Rana," but she was also being blackmailed by him into sharing information.

Gupta now faces dismissal from service, an in-camera trial and a maximum of 10 years of rigorous imprisonment.

The IB investigator who spoke to TIME says the only sensitive material that Gupta managed to pass on to Pakistan concerned "partial information on [India's] strategic plans in Afghanistan."

I knew it. She had to claim harrasment. But, ten years! That's it?

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 29 Apr 2010 02:33

she spied for Pakistan to settle scores with senior Indian diplomats who mistreated her

So you are willing to sell your country to settle scores with your boss. What a pathetic bunch of lie to hide greed for money.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Apr 2010 02:36

All is lost!
So Ms Gupta did tell the Pakistani ISI about the 1000000000 counsulates and RAW agints that India has deployed there, and India's plans to create trouble in peaceful land of the pure.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Apr 2010 02:43

Ms. Gupta, spy extraordinaire & femme fatale. She ain't no Madhuri Dixit.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Apr 2010 02:45

Gagan wrote:All is lost!
So Ms Gupta did tell the Pakistani ISI about the 1000000000 counsulates and RAW agints that India has deployed there, and India's plans to create trouble in peaceful land of the pure.

Hence, double agent!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Apr 2010 02:46

VikasRaina wrote:
she spied for Pakistan to settle scores with senior Indian diplomats who mistreated her
So you are willing to sell your country to settle scores with your boss. What a pathetic bunch of lie to hide greed for money.

Hey, earlier yindoo spies have done it for a bottle of whiskey. I remember a couple of cases back in the sixties.

archan · Post by **archan** » 29 Apr 2010 02:46

anupmisra wrote:Ms. Gupta
Behind India's Bust of a Pakistan Spy

"At 53, she was bored, alone and attractive.

I guess beauty really lies in the eyes of the beholder.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Apr 2010 02:46

Mata Hari was pretty too.
She's attractive for a 53 year old.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Apr 2010 02:49

Hmmm,
These days serving IB officers who investigate espionage cases involving people such as Ms Gupta talk to videshi news outlets such as time.

And someone is being prissy clean and didn't forget to mention that she faces an "in camera trail" and "10 years max" in the slammer for her efforts.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 29 Apr 2010 02:52

something that caught my eye from the time article

said Cyril Almeida, an editor and analyst at Pakistan's Dawn newspaper. "India has not moved beyond its post-Mumbai [the terror attack which Indian and Western authorities say originated in Pakistan] phase. It is not looking for talks with Pakistan any time soon."

This is how Paki RAPE think. For them it is still a claim that 26/11 terrorists were Pakis.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 29 Apr 2010 02:55

I wonder if diplomatic staff has any confession line where they can reveal secretly if they are being blackmailed. At least CI can take action to protect the person assuming that the person walked into the spider web by mistake.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Apr 2010 02:57

Theo_Fidel wrote:I think Gagan is looking at the IMF/World Bank/CIA list on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... nominal%29

I have posted on this distortion in the economy forum with a chart.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 29#p857529

Yes I was referring to this chart.
Somehow using the PPP chart seems too self congratulatory, although I note that KSA is no better on the ppp scale. If India is really good on the ppp chart, and others are not, then India must be doing good.

Theo_Fidel, there is no end to subversion and smokes and mirrors game it seems. People fudging national economies and growth potentials is supposedly a big psy ops game.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Apr 2010 03:02

VikasRaina wrote:I wonder if diplomatic staff has any confession line where they can reveal secretly if they are being blackmailed. At least CI can take action to protect the person assuming that the person walked into the spider web by mistake.

This is a hugely grey area.
If you remember, that guy Afzal Guru on death row for the parliament attack took a similar line of defense in court. His lawyers claimed that he was recruited / blackmailed into the job by a few army and intel officers from J&K where he was caught doing over ground activities for the terrorists.
His line of defense ran along the line that he was put in that group to give out information to the police and intel agencies, but that he could not produce material evidence in court that he was formally recruited.

The facts and issues of Afzal Guru case aside, this is a murky and grey area.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Apr 2010 04:09

Gilani, Manmohan hold informal meeting
http://www.brecorder.com/latestindex.ph ... t_id=11307

THIMPHU (updated on: April 28, 2010, 21:23 PST): Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani and his Indian counterpart Dr. Manmohan Singh had an informal meeting and exchanged views here on Wednesday after the lunch hosted by the Prime Minister of Bhutan for all heads of SAARC delegations.
The two leaders, who are scheduled to have a formal meeting here on Thursday on the sidelines of the 16th SAARC Summit, walked together in the SAARC village and exchanged views.The Prime Minister of Bhutan had invited all the heads of SAARC delegations at lunch on Wednesday and all sat around a table to be able to converse with each other.The leaders of delegation particularly the President of Maldives expressed desire for an early meeting between Prime Minister of Pakistan Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani and Prime Minister of India Dr. Manmohan Singh while in Thimphu.The Indian Prime Minister mentioned that the Prime Minister of Pakistan is looked upon with respect as he has a number of spiritual followers in India.His (Gilani's) forefathers, the Indian Prime Minister said had laid the foundation of Golden Temple in Amritsar and the Sikhs population is aware of this fact.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 29 Apr 2010 04:28

The Indian Prime Minister mentioned that the Prime Minister of Pakistan is looked upon with respect as he has a number of spiritual followers in India.

oh really?

or is this Associated Press of Pakistan pulling this out of its musharraf?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Apr 2010 04:43

Lamp post time
Extradition or bust!

Govt to file murder case against Musharraf: Badar

Central Secretary of Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Jehangir Badar has said that a case will be lodged against Pervez Musharraf by the state in the wake of UN Report on the assassination of Ms Benazir Bhutto.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 29 Apr 2010 05:58

New wave of sectarianism
A letter in the Daily Whines.

A new wave of sectarian violence by old players of violence is under way. Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, an offshoot of Sipah-i-Sihaba Pakistan now called Ahl-i-Sunnat Waljamaat, is once again active in targeting the Shia and other minority communities in Pakistan. A few days ago a prominent Shia leader’s son was attacked and killed in Quetta. Similarly, in Kohat the Shia community has been attacked.

This organisation has a notorious background and is famous for initiating sectarianism in Pakistan. It targets not only Shias but Ahmadis are also victims of this organisation in Faisalabad. This banned outfit has strong links with al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, who are fighting the Pakistan army in Waziristan.

Maulana Ahmed Ludhianvi, leader of Ahl-e-Sunnat Waljammat, is operating from Jhang. This man under the Anti-Terrorism Act cannot go to public gatherings and must stay at home, but he has access to the power corridors so he moves freely across Pakistan. The Punjab government has strong links with this person. Punjab’s Law Minister was seen with him in a public rally prior to the by-election in Jhang. We are in the middle of a war and the provincial leadership, especially the one from Punjab, is not at all serious in curtailing the monster of terrorism.

Maulana Ahmed has also met with the chief minister of Sindh and governor Sindh recently, in which he demanded the release of his workers who were caught in acts of terrorism in Karachi. I want to know what these politicians are doing? Who are they supposed to be representing, the public or terrorists? The federal government must take notice of provincial governments and their suspicious relations with banned organisations.

QAMAR CHEEMA
Islamabad

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 29 Apr 2010 09:30

VikasRaina wrote:So you are willing to sell your country to settle scores with your boss. What a pathetic bunch of lie to hide greed for money.

She's not the first to do this, and certainly not the last.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 29 Apr 2010 10:34

China to build two nuclear reactors in Pakistan

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 871203.cms

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 29 Apr 2010 11:32

abhishek_sharma wrote:Manmohan wants normal ties, Cong not supporting him: Qureshi

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 866917.cms

This is hilarious. Who is he pondering to though. Congress or MMS? I mean he wants to meet Madam and Rahul Baba directly and explain? Or he is suggesting BJP and Left are in sync with Govt on this issue ut not INC.

But really, I think he s just doing his lil psy opps thingy, since in general he is NOT getting any patta from Indian side anymore; discussions are happening all round him but curiously he is never invited for Chai / biscoot.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Apr 2010 11:35

Gilani must be really troubled in Thimpu. On the one hand he desperately wants to talk to MMS, on the other he is afraid of what MMS or India will have to say to him.

Add to that is the big danda that the Faujis have on his musharraf - they are closely watching everything he says in the meet with MMS, AND he has to use this opportunity to give an H&D boost to Pakistan's tattered ego. One slip and his sorry musharraf will be relegated to roadside rallies with sherry rehman once again.

Gilani must be crapping in his shalwaar right now.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Apr 2010 11:43

abhishek_sharma wrote:Manmohan wants normal ties, Cong not supporting him: Qureshi

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 866917.cms

I think that the Pakistanis assessment of MMS is that he is a mentally feeble person. Hence they're trying for some quick and dirty psy-ops here. They want MMS to commit to something that they know he will not be able to carry through back home.

Well he is not feeble minded. Meek he may be because that is one of the traits that gets ingrained into a babu, but I

at the idea of MMS being weak of mind.

It is all a momentary H&D victory that the Pakistanis are aiming at. One does not see a more shallow agenda than the one Pakistan has at the moment. They are just not interested in developing their country. Their leaders are getting their ghoos from the 3.5 masters. They are enjoying life. They know that the lower down Pak fauj soldiers are a buffer between the RAPE feudal rulers and the bigoted hordes of abduls.

Within SAARC, the other nations recognize the value of cooperation with India because they see it as the simplest and the most viable option to improve their own economies. Not pakistan. If their rulers really really cared for their masses or their country, they would do and behave the way the other SAARC countries behave - seek friendship with India. Instead these phuckers realize that the only thing keeping them alive is the 3.5 fliends and those 3.5 want them to be a pain in the musharraf for India.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 29 Apr 2010 11:46

Manmohan, Gilani meeting is good for region: U.S.

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 415220.ece

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 29 Apr 2010 12:08

Gagan wrote:Gilani must be really troubled in Thimpu. On the one hand he desperately wants to talk to MMS, on the other he is afraid of what MMS or India will have to say to him.

Add to that is the big danda that the Faujis have on his musharraf - they are closely watching everything he says in the meet with MMS, AND he has to use this opportunity to give an H&D boost to Pakistan's tattered ego. One slip and his sorry musharraf will be relegated to roadside rallies with sherry rehman once again.

Gilani must be crapping in his shalwaar right now.

Prediction of Statements that will come out of Pakistani Side after the meeting between the Wazi.e.azams.

1) All issues were discussed including Kashmir and Water.
2) Pakistani side expressed it's inability to prosecute Saeed based on the dossier provided by the Indian Side. Will wait for the reply on the Dossier submitted to India on the Dossier submitted by India.
3) Pakistani side explained that they themselves are victim of Terrorism.
4) Pakistani side requested a re start of Composite dialog and delinking the same with terrorist incidents, as it only plays into the hands of terrorist.
5) Dialog should continue in the spirit of Sharm el Shiek thingy.
6) Foreign Secretaries will meet on <futue date> to discuss all bilateral issues and to pave the way for resumption of Composite Dialog (whatever it means).

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 29 Apr 2010 12:35

Ticker on TV, Pak says S e S has set the background rules for discussion between India and Pak will be followed in Thimpu as well, any further talks will on the basis of S e S

S M Krishna says "We want peaceful relationship with every country"

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 29 Apr 2010 13:58

Giving Away Kashmir?
By Dr Ajay Chrungoo

For so many years we have concerned ourselves primarily with how Pakistan seeks to take away Jammu and Kashmir. We are perhaps getting too late to intensely involve ourselves with how a section of Indian State and the political class have been, over the years, crafting the giving away of Jammu and Kashmir. The unilateral submission of the report of the Working Group on Centre-State Relations by its Chairman Justice Sagir Ahmad to the Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir is only a reflection on the relentless campaign to keep the ‘Muslim Question’ in India alive and transform the vision of secularism into an albatross around the neck of Indian nation, fixing its limbs into inaction, so that the Muslim Power continues to inch eastwards through successive partitions of India.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 29 Apr 2010 14:01

It is good these two poor well meaning persons meet, because nothing is going to come out of it. Perhaps we should get worried when Sonia meets the Army/ISI chief.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 29 Apr 2010 14:04

Pakistani officials: Taliban's Mehsud alive

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 29 Apr 2010 14:40

Just watched this video of 'Face the Nation' (CNNIBN).

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/114169/04_ ... cerns.html

Sagarika and the 'Th Hindu' guy I feel are friends with Ms Gupta and have there brief from Qureshi.

"Why can't we talk with Pakistan."
"Prime Minister wants to talk but 'domestic constituency' (notice: NOT opposition) is not ready yet.
"Why can't w discuss the Kashmir issue?'
"People's perception has moved on"

We need FOX News here..... NOW

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 29 Apr 2010 14:52

Suppiah wrote:It is good these two poor well meaning persons meet, because nothing is going to come out of it. Perhaps we should get worried when Sonia meets the Army/ISI chief.

He he... and Rahul Baba marries Fatima Bhutto... Composite dialog every night...

James B · Post by **James B** » 29 Apr 2010 15:53

The love-fest begins

PM meets Gilani, holds one-on-one talks

India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his Pakistani counterpart Yusuf Raza Gilani held their first formal talks in Thimpu on the sidelines of the SAARC summit here on Thursday since July last year.

James B · Post by **James B** » 29 Apr 2010 15:55

Manmohan Singh meets Pakistani PM Gilani in Thimphu

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday met his Pakistani counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani for the first substantive dialogue in nine months during which he is understood to have conveyed India's deep disappointment over Islamabad's inaction to punish perpetrators of Mumbai attacks.

The Prime Minister and his Pakistani counterpart held one-on-one talks and it lasted for over an hour. Foreign ministers of the two countries also joined the talks.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Apr 2010 16:06

Just heard Ms. Nirupama Rao say that "we have to look forward and not dwell on the past . . .". I switched the TV off after that. Now, for Chanakyan interpretation please . . .

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Apr 2010 16:09

James B wrote:Manmohan Singh meets Pakistani PM Gilani in Thimphu

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday met his Pakistani counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani for the first substantive dialogue in nine months during which he is understood to have conveyed India's deep disappointment over Islamabad's inaction to punish perpetrators of Mumbai attacks.

The Prime Minister and his Pakistani counterpart held one-on-one talks and it lasted for over an hour. Foreign ministers of the two countries also joined the talks.

Shudder to think what gem MMS will come up after this 1 hour talk. The previous such session at SeS is still fresh in the mind.

AnimeshP · Post by **AnimeshP** » 29 Apr 2010 16:26

Pentagon sees Pakistan shift, downplays Afghan impact

Pakistan has shifted 100,000 of its troops from its Indian frontier to spearhead an unprecedented crackdown on militants along the Afghan border, but the offensives are unlikely to have an immediate impact on the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, the Pentagon said.

Looks like Pentagon is trying hard to make their best buddies more palatable to the US Congress .... wonder if a new aid bill is around the corner ...