Indo-Israel: News and Discussion

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 05 Mar 2010 12:48

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Mar 2010 22:06

Airavat wrote:India to expand arms trade with Israel

2. arms deal

Good for IAI, not so good for India's 800 million poor. They need food & housing, schools & healthcare...not more spending on arms.
peter , amsterdam NL (03.03.10)

3. To Peter #2

Netherlands spent $11.2 billion on defense last year without any threats to it's borders. India has a very dangerous neighbor on the verge of collapse with nuclear weapons. In an ideal world no country would have an army but something tells me that aint happening any time soon. It's nice that you care so much about India's poor but what about Holland's poor?
Mark , New York, USA (03.03.10)

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 08 Mar 2010 00:00

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Peeater, The poverty rate in netherlands is set to rise to 11%, a rate which is unheard of in western europe, hundreds of thousands are going to bed hungry. I call for disbanding or the Dutch armed forces and opening up Netherlands for some of the 800 million poor Indians

Mahdi E Dra , Londonistan (03.07.10

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 13,00.html

Each and every uber snobbish peearters with a sense of entitlement and false sense of pride in their colonial past should be challenged and ridiculed

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 25 Mar 2010 09:19

India will get its second "eye in the sky" Awacs aircraft from Israel on Thursday, reported local daily The Asian Age on Wednesday.

This is the second of the three Awacs aircraft which India had ordered for six years ago. The aircraft will land at Jamnagar in Gujarat, western India before going on to Agra, northern India, said the report

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9077 ... 29507.html

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 27 Mar 2010 10:23

Meanwhile the second of the three Israeli-made Phalcon contracted earlier reached India on Thursday evening. According to reports reaching here the second AWACS from Israel arrived in Gujarat and will be deployed in Agra’s Jamnagar air base. It is also learnt that a small group of Israeli defence experts had arrived in India apparently to link up Phalcon with Indian military satellites for enhanced surveillance activities in the region.

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=22585

vipins · Post by **vipins** » 27 Mar 2010 13:58

Karan Dixit wrote:.................... deployed in Agra’s Jamnagar air base. It is ...................

errr...Jamnagar is in Gujarat and AFAIK Agra's base is called Kheria.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 27 Mar 2010 17:38

vipins wrote:errr...Jamnagar is in Gujarat and AFAIK Agra's base is called Kheria.

Not in Pakistani cartography. Kheria airbase is just outside Bangalore, Kerala.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 27 Mar 2010 20:51

This is what I get for posting Paki link.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 29 Mar 2010 16:22

x post
Israel ahoy!

Having shied away from trips to Israel because of Left pressure during UPA I — barring the odd exception — the Congress is now going ahead with the same. Last week, MoS Prithviraj Chavan visited the country to seal some agreements in the field of Science and Technology. Some CMs too have gone. The Director of Intelligence Bureau visited Israel recently. But if there is one dignitary whom the Israelis appear to be waiting for keenly it is Defence Minister A K Antony. Having emerged as one of India’s biggest defence suppliers over the years, Israel is keen to cement the relationship at a political level. But as now, Antony appears far from obliging.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 03 Apr 2010 21:03

What is the difference between Israeli Arabs and Palestinians? Are they ethnically different or politically on different sides? Are Bedouins also ethnically/politically Arab?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 21 Apr 2010 01:00

Israel celebrates 62nd anniversary of formation of Jewish state

Congratulations to the Jewish state for standing up to the Arab bullies and morality spouting EU Thugs

Go Isreal

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 08 May 2010 06:44

X-post - Indian Foreign Policy

Israel or Iran? Antony chooses Oman

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 08 May 2010 12:51

Shukla,
Pls post the correct link... that link which you posted leads to a "post a reply" screen.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 08 May 2010 13:24

Carl_T wrote:What is the difference between Israeli Arabs and Palestinians? Are they ethnically different or politically on different sides? Are Bedouins also ethnically/politically Arab?

Carl, Israeli Arab is a broad term that generally includes anyone who speaks Arabic as a first language, but that can refer to a number of different communities; Druze, Palestinians and Bedou.

The Palestinians are the remnant of the population that refused to be intimidated or persuaded in to leaving what became Israel in 1947-48. To go back a little further they are the former Aramaic (also a semitic language) speaking inhabitants of the villages and cities of the area - both Jewish and Christian, most of whom eventually converted to Islam and adopted Arabic, although some remained Christian.

The Bedou are the tribal (and all-Muslim) nomads who originally migrated from Arabia, and usually speak the best, most classical Arabic. Many of the tribes emigrated to Palestine well before the advent of Islam. Many Bedou families periodically settle and become assimilated in to the Palestinian identity.

The Druze are an old Muslim sectarian minority that many Sunni Muslims see as heretical, and are split between Israel, Lebanon and Syria.

The Druze and the Bedou have traditionally been very loyal to the Israeli state, and ready to serve in the Israeli Defence Forces. Bedou trackers are particularly valued for their phenomenal skills. However there are limitations on how far they can rise, and what branches they can serve in, although the glass cieling is slowly lifting for them.

The Palestinians among the Israeli Arabs on the other hand have always rejected the Israeli state and the identity of 'Israeli Arabs', and have instead generally embraced Palestinian Nationalism. They dont want to serve in the IDF, and the Israelis dont want them to serve, so it works out fine for both parties.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 08 May 2010 16:32

JE Menon wrote:Shukla,
Pls post the correct link... that link which you posted leads to a "post a reply" screen.

Apologies..

here you go..
Israel or Iran? Antony chooses Oman

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 22 May 2010 18:21

India-Israel: A Robust Strategic Partnership

In a state visit to Israel in February 2010, Indian Minister of State for Commerce and Industry Jyotiradithya Scindia hailed the relationship between India and Israel as a ‘relationship between two souls’, based on shared morals and principles. In return, Israeli President Shimon Peres offered complete co-operation in India’s war against terror, stating ‘India’s security is as important to Israel as its own’. A far cry from the early independence era, when a pro-Palestinian India was at the forefront of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM), and snubbed Israel for being a tool of Western imperialism. Relations between the two estranged democracies have instead assumed a whole new dynamic in the post-Cold War period. Today, India and Israel have deepening strategic ties with full diplomatic relations, flourishing bilateral trade and robust military-to-military and intelligence co-operation.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 May 2010 19:05

Israeli scientists to train Krishnagiri farmers

Israeli scientists will give training to farmers of Krishnagiri on latest technologies available in agriculture sector, Collector V.K. Shanmugam said here recently.

Israeli diplomat Avribarzur, Counselor - MASHAV (Science & Agriculture) at its embassy office in New Delhi, visited the district two days last week. During his stay here, he went round the poly green-houses and studied cultivation of vegetables and flowers under horticulture in Krishnagiri, Hosur and Kelamangalam areas.

He inspected the poly green-houses set up with government subsidy in Chinna Vellatharapalli, Pennapalli and Achettipalli areas in Hosur.

He enquired about the cultivation of capsicum and rose on small land holdings by the farmers with the help of the Agriculture Department.

. . . he {the Collector} requested Mr. Avribarzur to give training to the farmers on latest technologies to reap maximum benefits and extend technical know-how available in Israel.

Mr. Avribarzur said that he would send a team of agriculture experts in July this year to give training to the farmers in Krishnagiri district.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 May 2010 19:09

shukla wrote:here you go..
Israel or Iran? Antony chooses Oman

AKA is touchy about his state politics which has a large Muslim and a much larger communist constituencies.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 22 May 2010 19:50

SSridhar wrote:
shukla wrote:here you go..
Israel or Iran? Antony chooses Oman
AKA is touchy about his state politics which has a large Muslim and a much larger communist constituencies.

He, like always, wants to play it "safe"..

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 Jun 2010 10:56

abhishek_sharma wrote:India's reaction
From MEA's website

Statement on incident involving boats carrying supplies for Gaza

31/05/2010

India deplores the tragic loss of life and the reports of killings and injuries to people on the boats carrying supplies for Gaza. There can be no justification for such indiscriminate use of force, which we condemn. We extend our sympathies to the families of the dead and wounded. It is our firm conviction that lasting peace and security in the region can be achieved only through peaceful dialogue and not through use of force.

New Delhi
May 31, 2010

X Posted.

Israel’s arrogance has gone too far in this case and they deserve whatever boots that contact their backside.

Our Ministry of External Affairs has got it right with their above comment deploring Israel’s action of attacking an aid flotilla in international waters.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 01 Jun 2010 11:11

Kudos to Israel for taking stern action against the turkish islamists. Instead of putting the soldiers life in danger they should have simply torpedoed the ship.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 01 Jun 2010 11:19

vavinash wrote:Kudos to Israel for taking stern action against the turkish islamists. Instead of putting the soldiers life in danger they should have simply torpedoed the ship.

That would have been fatal.

armenon · Post by **armenon** » 01 Jun 2010 12:38

First FLIR (night vision) video of Israeli Attack against turkish ONG ship

lsunil · Post by **lsunil** » 01 Jun 2010 13:39

As much as i like israel's co-operation in the defence field with us, i have to say that israel itself will be responsible for it's own undoing.

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 Jun 2010 14:40

vavinash wrote:Instead of putting the soldiers life in danger they should have simply torpedoed the ship.

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So then what would you be recommending be done to our ie: India’s, Ministry of External Affairs for articulating a national position completely at odds with yours?

Bearing in mind the land locked location which clearly would rule out the efficacy of torpedo’s would your recommendation be to let loose a few Pop-Eyes on South Block

?

For a website reputedly populated by jingoes of the Indian stripe I am flummoxed by the need of some to take a position against the nationally articulated one and favour an opposing one articulated by a foreign country. Perhaps Democracy in action though hardly the stuff of Indian jingoes.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 01 Jun 2010 14:44

arun wrote: For a website reputedly populated by jingoes of the Indian stripe I am flummoxed by the need of some to take a position against the nationally articulated one and favour an opposing one articulated by a foreign country. Perhaps Democracy in action though hardly the stuff of Indian jingoes.

Democracy through action is the freedom to disagree with Govts stated position.

We are not China.

And let me put my vote in -- I think the GoI statement was extremely foolish, only that it was also harmless since no one cares a hoot, the Israelis very well that our real relationship with them is only growing stronger and everyone else to whom the GoI statement is aimed at are probably equally aware of its vacuousness.

Good going Israel. Kudos.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jun 2010 14:54

GoI's statement is as ambivalent as it can dare to come out with.

No side can openly blame GoI for siding with the other. We've all seen videos of the peacenicks attacking the soldiers and wounding them.

So GoI deplores violent actions.

Personally I am saddened that 16 people had to lose their lives to prove a point. But I feel that their motives were not entirely on the level. This was not about people dying of hunger in gaza. If they had been really concerned about the suffering of the people of gaza, they would have shamed israel by sending in more and more aid to the designated ports of israel and then circulated pictures of how israel was holding up aid.

But no the peacenicks intention was to break the blockade. And there is only one reason why someone will want to do that - so that the sea route can again be used to arm hezbollah.

And we need to find a new name for the people on the flotilla. Somehow 'peacenicks' is not right for what their actions were.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 01 Jun 2010 15:02

Gagan wrote:GoI's statement is as ambivalent as it can dare to come out with.

Completely agree....

But the time was yesterday to shed the namby pamby ambivalence. Today is already too late -- Enough!!

bahdada · Post by **bahdada** » 01 Jun 2010 15:04

The MEA should have stfu or at least toned down the verbosity. One things for sure now, any future "peace convoys" will think twice before testing the laws of Israel. Also, [email protected] whole point of a democracy is so that we can disagree or have the right to freely express dissatisfaction with a govt.

Israel is one country that knows it can't afford to play it proportional with these vermin, otherwise just by attrition they'd be wiped out.

Screaming the Islamic Battlecry celebrating Jewish Genocide. That's peaceful alright.

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 01 Jun 2010 15:23

Gagan wrote: But no the peacenicks intention was to break the blockade. And there is only one reason why someone will want to do that - so that the sea route can again be used to arm hezbollah.

I disagree. The ships were not filled indoctrined crackpots trying to blow-up as many Israelis as possible but with human right activists. Many might have been there with an intention to help their Muslim bothers or whatever but there were also many foreign activists. Although I agree that going all out at the Israeli commandos was uncalled for but believing that these people were of the intention to arm Hamas is unjustifiable.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Jun 2010 15:29

X-post

pgbhat wrote:
Rahul M wrote:attacking was a mistake. what they should have done was cripple the boat somehow, I'm sure their navy could have managed it.
If by chance the crippled boat sank, then it would have been an act of war. Israel had no "good" choices.

crippled by firing a few shots at the rudder for example, after stopping the ship out at sea for 'negotiations'. I'm sure the resourceful israelis could have found a better approach than this hamhanded one.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jun 2010 15:48

Well the israelis should have tried to disable the ships. But their way is to send back a message that when some tries to bullshit, they will come down hard at it. Their way entailed taking control of the ship's bridge and the engine room and stopping that ship dead in its tracks.

The bullcrap about people dying of hunger in gaza is about as odious as 1000000000000 wimmen raped and killed in kashmir by 10000000000000000 indian army soldiers.

Things are bad in gaza, but how much of it is the result of the people of gaza themselves? They've even had elections to select their own politicians, yet they just don't want to give up murdering israelis. Why? Will they EVER get what they want that way?
The plain answer is NEVER, instead it only satisfies the mullah's souls in Iran to see common israelis killed in cold blood.

The violence that the palestinians come out with is unwarranted in today's world. A peaceful struggle backed with political resolve will be more successful. But the point to note, is that any thinking man who has the sense to see this will also realize that the 'struggle' is based on misplaced ideas, and the freedom that they seek is only illusory and won't change jack$hit for the common abdul.

A peaceful settlement with Israel is the only solution that was ever possible.

But who will explain this to all the hot heads.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 01 Jun 2010 15:55

KrishG wrote:
Gagan wrote: But no the peacenicks intention was to break the blockade. And there is only one reason why someone will want to do that - so that the sea route can again be used to arm hezbollah.
I disagree. The ships were not filled indoctrined crackpots trying to blow-up as many Israelis as possible but with human right activists.

And how is that known? Did they cooperate with the Govt of Israel?

What if there were?

Although I agree that going all out at the Israeli commandos was uncalled for but believing that these people were of the intention to arm Hamas is unjustifiable.

Why? Such actions have been done in the past? Why should their word be "believed" if they were "ohhh so nice" why couldn't they cooperate with Israel as Israel had offered them?

Israel is a tiny country with no strategic depth, and its people are a drop in the ocean of hostility with no where to go.

They know their survival hinges on a one and only method -- they are doing that.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Jun 2010 16:02

marten sahab, why the ji again ? that may or may not have happenned, chances are these were not the suicidal kind but the loony kind but israel would still have had a position they could defend.
in fact, chances are if the flottila chaps were fooled once, they would have lost much of their credibility. to be laughed at is really dangerous.

bart · Post by **bart** » 01 Jun 2010 16:03

KrishG wrote:
Gagan wrote: But no the peacenicks intention was to break the blockade. And there is only one reason why someone will want to do that - so that the sea route can again be used to arm hezbollah.
I disagree. The ships were not filled indoctrined crackpots trying to blow-up as many Israelis as possible but with human right activists. Many might have been there with an intention to help their Muslim bothers or whatever but there were also many foreign activists. Although I agree that going all out at the Israeli commandos was uncalled for but believing that these people were of the intention to arm Hamas is unjustifiable.

Why then did they refuse Israel's offer to transfer the goods to Gaza after security checks? Why did they go about attacking the Israelis. It is clear that it was not an 'aid' mission but an attempt to provoke Israel into reacting, and try to break the embargo on Hamas.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Jun 2010 16:08

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-threa ... ml?from=tn

Two Turkish activists were reported to be among those killed in the flotilla. Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences.

uh oh, this is hotting up.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 01 Jun 2010 16:10

Turkish military would back that?

or is it just hot air?
To me, Turks are playing to the gallery.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 01 Jun 2010 16:12

Didn't we have a Turkish thread et al just a while back -- is BRF clairvoyant or plain lucky?

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 01 Jun 2010 16:49

Turkish anti-Israeli behavior is not adding up....I thought they had alliance with Israelis to prevent arab wahabi's take over of entire middle east which will next knock the doors south of Turkey and east of Israel...and India being the 3rd entity to join this common agenda all under the grace of Unkil..this is as recent as Post 9/11.....so confusing

Did Turks find a new ally in ME to keep kurds and wahabis off the south eastern turkish borders? or did they fall for fundamental sunni islamists which made them change their mind? these ME games are so confusing yet interesting...any body please shed some light..or point me to an appropriate thread where such discussion has already been done...

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 01 Jun 2010 17:04

Check the Mid-west thread; Turkey has a new Government in power, a far more Islam-pasand one.

They have already abrogated many alliances made with Israel and are going with Iran now.