Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 16 Jun 2010 15:39

Pakistani Jurno trying to link Kashmir to Palestine get a cold shoulder from the Palestinian activist

Link is to an interview of an Arab Israeli woman who is a member of Knesset. Woman explains the whole issue of Arab Israeli conflict. But the around the end (after 28 minutes) Paki being Paki asks here... "What do Israeli and Palestinian people think of Pakistan?" And her answer is hilarious. Paki is not able to believe it so he changes the topic.

But here is the Icing. The learned lady claims in the interview that Palestine is the LAST occupied lad anywhere in the world, she repeats it thrice, so our Abdul being an Abdul say except of Kashmir. Lady replies... "may be I can learn about it later...."

Then our Rambo tells her to face the Camera and directly appeal to millions of Pakistani who are watching the program on the help you want from Pakistan.... Lady turns red, and lists out the political aim to Rambo. Rambo being Rambo, insists second time "Pakistan is a very powerful muslim country where millions of people are concerned about your cause you can speak to them directly by looking at this Camera." Lady finally obliges nd gives out some mumbo jumbo....

tchandr · Post by **tchandr** » 16 Jun 2010 19:25

Another day at office. 40 pak's finest were captured by talibunnies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_ ... 329806.stm

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Jun 2010 19:55

tchandr wrote:Another day at office. 40 pak's finest were captured by talibunnies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_ ... 329806.stm

This is just staged drama to show that the Afghan taliban are "independent" of TSPA/ISI in refutation of the recent LSE and other reports. Pakis are so predictable in their show of childish tactical brilliance.

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 16 Jun 2010 20:25

What is this South Asian economy ?

Islamabad, June 16 (ANI): Economic growth in South Asia continues to be constrained by severe dearth in energy supply, and this is going to be one of the main challenges facing the region, according to a report on the Human Development in South Asia 2009.

The report published by the Mahbub-ul-Haq Human Development Center, Islamabad further says that energy consumption in South Asia is abysmally poor compared to neighbouring regions.

Energy use in South Asian countries was 662.6 million oil equivalent tons with per capita energy use between 0. 25 to 1.67 tons of oil equivalent.

The report also says that energy scarcity in South Asia is likely to increase over time.

Demand for energy in all countries of the region has been projected to increase by a substantial amount in 2015, Xinhua quotes the report, as saying. (ANI)

http://in.biz.yahoo.com/100616/139/bavsfi.html

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Jun 2010 20:30

satyam wrote:What is this South Asian economy ?

Islamabad, June 16 (ANI): Economic growth in South Asia continues to be constrained by severe dearth in energy supply, and this is going to be one of the main challenges facing the region, according to a report on the Human Development in South Asia 2009.

The report published by the Mahbub-ul-Haq Human Development Center, Islamabad further says that energy consumption in South Asia is abysmally poor compared to neighbouring regions.

Energy use in South Asian countries was 662.6 million oil equivalent tons with per capita energy use between 0. 25 to 1.67 tons of oil equivalent.

The report also says that energy scarcity in South Asia is likely to increase over time.

Demand for energy in all countries of the region has been projected to increase by a substantial amount in 2015, Xinhua quotes the report, as saying. (ANI)

http://in.biz.yahoo.com/100616/139/bavsfi.html

India media and govt. needs to be proactive in protecting the identity of India/Indian-subcontinent rather than let the propogandists replace it with "South Asia". Pakis don't want to be lumped into "indian-subcontinent" they would rather belong to "South Asia"

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 16 Jun 2010 20:36

Dipanker wrote:

India media and govt. needs to be proactive in protecting the identity of India/Indian-subcontinent rather than let the propogandists replace it with "South Asia". Pakis don't want to be lumped into "indian-subcontinent" they would rather belong to "South Asia"

What is this South Asian economy anyway ? India is about 80 % of economy of south Asia . So this south asia economy is a big joke .

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Jun 2010 20:41

^^^ confused
http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/s ... 0199060207

(Not yet published)

and

http://www.mhhdc.org/html/ahdr.htm

(reports only till 2007)

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 16 Jun 2010 20:50

^^^

I don't here North American economy term anywhere ?

So this means just to make a classic equal -equal , they have lumped every one in a single term " South Asia economy " ?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Jun 2010 20:56

TSP going on full drive with their LET assets against India interests in Afganisthan. MMS's response:

1) He will spare no effort to build trust
2) He will meet TSP more than halfway
3) India cannot progress until it makes peace with TSP
4) Borders cannot be re-drawn but can be made irrelevant (translation: joint love making in Indian territory that TSP covets)
5) India's and TSP's destinies are linked
6) I will not let 'South Asia" piss be de-railed by "extremists on both sides"

I better stop because its about breakfast time here on the west coast of USA, and I need to injest something lest I puke.

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 16 Jun 2010 21:06

^^^^

The original report is here
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/world ... shkar.html

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Jun 2010 21:13

^^^
Since the Indian Govt. can't hit back at L-e-T/ISI or at least havn't done so far despite 26/11, Suburban train bombing, Akshardham, Kaluchak, Delhi, and on and on, I guess its time to withdraw from Afghanistan.

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 16 Jun 2010 21:15

Dipanker wrote:^^^
Since the Indian Govt. can't hit back at L-e-T/ISI or at least havn't done so far despite 26/11, Suburban train bombing, Akshardham, Kaluchak, Delhi, and on and on, I guess its time to withdraw from Afghanistan.

No. India should not call back. What about everyday terror attack in Pakistan ?

satyam · Post by **satyam** » 16 Jun 2010 21:24

Non-state actors achievement

Big drop in foreign direct investment

Total foreign investment, thus, registered a fall of 14.8 percent to $1.896 billion from $2.227 billion in 11 month(July to May) of last fiscal

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg5_2

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 16 Jun 2010 22:48

TSP militancy spreading. Now the Punjabi Talibuns are raising their heads.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100616/ap_ ... _militants

LAHORE, Pakistan – At least two dozen militants once supported by the government have split off to lead one of Pakistan's newest and deadliest terrorist groups, working with al-Qaida at remote camps near the Afghan border to carry out attacks in the center of this U.S.-allied country, police say.
The emergence of the network known as the Punjabi Taliban risks destabilizing Pakistan's political and military heartland. The group, named for Pakistan's most populous and richest province, is closely allied with the Pakistani Taliban, which the U.S. blames for last month's failed Times Square bombing.

When Punjabi Taliban militants attacked army headquarters last fall and killed 14 people, the government flew in the leaders of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Sipah-e-Sahaba to negotiate, said Sanaullah, confirming the secret effort for the first time to the AP.

The militant leaders contacted the attackers, who lashed out at their former bosses, saying, "You are traitors, you have left the right path," according to Sanaullah.

No one is really in control of these guys.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jun 2010 22:58

There is no such thing as Punjabi Taliban. Its Pakiban.

Taliban by their inherent compostion are Pashtuns who were trained in madrassas to intervene adn capture power in Afghanistan.

Punjabi Taliban on other hand are Pakjabis trained in madrassas and supported by TSPA as their irregualr forces.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 16 Jun 2010 22:58

Interesting article

Why Pakistan's Ahmadi community is officially detested

When a Pakistani Muslim applies for a passport or national ID card, they are asked to sign an oath that no Muslim anywhere in the world is asked to sign.

The oath goes like this: "I consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad an impostor prophet. And also consider his followers, whether belonging to the Lahori or Qadiani group, to be non-Muslims."

I would recommend guys to read the article. Pretty well written and explains the plight of Ahmedi folks as well as social engineering amongst pakis the whole more pure vs less pure paradigm

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Jun 2010 23:00

Dipanker wrote:^^^
Since the Indian Govt. can't hit back at L-e-T/ISI or at least havn't done so far despite 26/11, Suburban train bombing, Akshardham, Kaluchak, Delhi, and on and on, I guess its time to withdraw from Afghanistan.

And as Sunanda Datta Shankar or whoever recently pontificated on the Calcutta rag Telegraph, and I am endored by others in the DDM, Idia should pull back and concentrate on a grand strategic alliance with USA.

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 16 Jun 2010 23:16

Re. US winning in fakap, US most powerful etc.

About 15 years ago, if a US soldier had been KIA or by any external agency/entity, the entire US would have been up in arms. The right wingers would have skinned Clinton (Bill, not hillary) alive. If a single US civilian had been killed by any external agency/entity the uproar would have been even more shrill and bellicose. US treasured its citizens' and soldiers' lives - and the politicians HAD to play to the gallery and demand a carpet bombing of the offending entity.

Cut to the present. There have been over 1000 combat deaths in fakap alone and another 1000 plus in eyeraq. Pretty soon the american servicemen's casualty roster will become longer than the 3000 odd civilians that perished in the 9/11. Today there is not even a peep about the soldiers' deaths. It has become a commonplace event. Jim Leherer's PBS program used to do sketches of the fallen soldiers - maybe even they have stopped it. Yeah, US is winning alright. Yeah, US is powerful, a superpower and all that.

15 years ago I used to be livid reading about the deaths of Indian soldiers in the terrorist skirmishes in J&K. I thought what kind of a country lets its soldiers die without hitting at the source of its attackers. I was cocksure that the mighty US would never do such a thing. I read somewhere that in the roman empire time, even if a single roman soldier was killed by any of the barbarians (non-romans) the whole roman army would descend on the offending tribe and wipe it out. I was sure that US would do the same.

Cut to the present. In spite of thousands of soldiers and civilians deaths in India, we are still in J&K. No political party has the balls to even suggest a solution that can even begin to be palatable to the pakis. we may not hit the source of our troubles because of myriad problems (and I don;t intend to list them here) but we are still here and we don't intend to run away declaring a fraud potemkin victory. maybe it will take us another hundred years to kill the paki monster but we are not talking about 'withdrawing'.

Compare this to the greatest superpower in the history of the mankind. when 1000 plus of its best young men and women have been sacrificed, this superpower talks about 'withdrawing' rather than destroying the monster that cut short these soldiers lives.

GoI does not glorify the deaths of its soldiers because it is afraid that the Indian public might demand an all-out war. The GOTUS hides its body bags because it is scared that its people will demand an even speedier withdrawal or worse still, the POTUS might lose the next election.

Yes, if there is a terror attack on american soil, america will be able to bomb any country to stone age. Yes, if there is a terror attack on Indian soil, India will do the same bhashans and a few more faxes. But at least we have a benefit of doubt - we DON'T have the wherewithal (militarily or economically, and certainly politically) to destroy pakiland. What excuse does US have?

Superpower my foot!

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Jun 2010 23:23

^^

US military death in Iraq is approaching 5,000. Americans have lost interest in the wars and it seems they don't care anymore.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jun 2010 23:45

Abhijit,
There was a book after end of Cold War "The Democracy Trap" by Graham Fuller which described this phenomenon very well before it was actualized.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Jun 2010 00:12

Abhijit:

Wrong on the following count:

Cut to the present. In spite of thousands of soldiers and civilians deaths in India, we are still in J&K. No political party has the balls to even suggest a solution that can even begin to be palatable to the pakis.

Kashmir is atoot ang of India is long history. TSP terror, nuke blackmail, and US pressure has made India climb down. There is widespread consensus amoung the ruling elite in India, sans toothless BJP, that India will have to dilute its soverignty over the valley to buy US-dictated piss with TSP. The current thinking is reconciliation with TSPA (including LET) not confrontation which we have conceeded is a lost cause.

On US apathy towards its soldies dead count, before I can draw the conclusion that indeed US public have been inured to the death of its soldiers, I'd like to see some stats (which US media may not dwell on given the national sensitivity):

1) How many white soldier deaths as a proportion of white population
2) How many black soldier deaths as a proportion of black population
3) How many Hispanic soldier deaths as a proportion of Hispanic population
4) How many Jewish soldies deaths as proportion of Jewish population
5) Last but not the least, how many non-citizen (mostly Hispanic) soldier deaths have there been, and how many were given/promised green cards for serving in Iraq?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jun 2010 00:40

The drama continue,same old actors playing different role, same boring play ..Yawn
U.S. Showed Pakistan Evidence on Militant Faction

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has presented evidence to Pakistan that a militant faction aligned with the Taliban and based in Pakistan orchestrated brazen attacks last month in Afghanistan, a top general said on Wednesday.
The United States has long pressed the Pakistani military to crack down on the so-called Haqqani faction in the North Waziristan tribal region, which borders Afghanistan, but Islamabad has so far balked at doing so. General David Petraeus, who oversees the Afghan war as head of U.S. Central Command, told a Senate hearing that he, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff raised Haqqani links in a recent meeting with Pakistan army chief Asssaffaq Kayani. "We have shared information with him about links of the leadership of the Haqqani network located in North Waziristan that clearly commanded and controlled the operation against Bagram air base and the attack in Kabul, among others," Petraeus said.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/06/ ... .html?_r=1

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 17 Jun 2010 00:48

^^those are insufficient evidences wont stand in the pakistani court scrutiny.Ask them to learn from indian experience and send another dossier.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 17 Jun 2010 01:27

^^^ all dossiers are literature!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Jun 2010 01:59

Prem wrote:The drama continue,same old actors playing different role, same boring play ..Yawn
U.S. Showed Pakistan Evidence on Militant Faction

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/06/ ... .html?_r=1

Actually Kiyani/Paasha would have told 157-star general Patreus, and 156-star Handsome honcho Stanley: arey boss, those soosai boys were meant for Indians, whose activities as you know are raising regional tensions, but unfortunatlely, somehow the boys got the wrong coordinates. Maybe some mistranslation between Urdu and Pashtu occured. We will make sure this won't repeat saars. We appreciate all your help: $s, F-solas, and most importantly helping us focused on India.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 17 Jun 2010 02:02

Kashmir is atoot ang of India is long history. TSP terror, nuke blackmail, and US pressure has made India climb down. There is widespread consensus amoung the ruling elite in India, sans toothless BJP, that India will have to dilute its soverignty over the valley to buy US-dictated piss with TSP. The current thinking is reconciliation with TSPA (including LET) not confrontation which we have conceeded is a lost cause.

Absolutly not , if anything the idea is to mantain status quo while giving it a fancy name (joint soverignity etc), something which perhaps the TSP Govt. (i.e Gilani and Co.) can show to the awam as some sort of concession made by India whereas it is nothing more than declaring LoC = IB. Perhaps this is looked upon as the only way whereby the Democracy in TSP can be given a face saver and army can be weakened by taking out the source of their propoganda.

Without any head or basis for thier propoganda the army divide would become clearer in TSP and hopefully it makes India's job easier.

Pardon me for trying to dig out the chanakyin motive behind GoI's TSP policy but it's always good to have an alternate view I suppoose.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Jun 2010 02:08

AoA. BSO to boycott ‘Pak Studies’ in educational institutions

Central spokesman of BSO (Liberal), after consultation with real Baloch intellectuals and scholars, has announced to boycott reading and teaching of Pakistan Studies in all the educational institutions of Balochistan and appealed to teachers to support the party in its peace campaign. The spokesman said that the nations have made possible the achievement of national freedom after passing through a number of critical phases in the struggle against neo-colonial system. He said that the forces, in establishing this system after neo-colonial era, spreads its own ideology forcibly through education so that the oppressed nations could be made slave psychologically and use them like a machine in institutions.

Huh!? Quite a tongue twister, ain't he? Is he saying that porkis are forcing the oppressed Baloch students to learn pakistaniyat and make them their slaves?

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 17 Jun 2010 02:10

Nihat wrote:
Kashmir is atoot ang of India is long history. TSP terror, nuke blackmail, and US pressure has made India climb down. There is widespread consensus amoung the ruling elite in India, sans toothless BJP, that India will have to dilute its soverignty over the valley to buy US-dictated piss with TSP. The current thinking is reconciliation with TSPA (including LET) not confrontation which we have conceeded is a lost cause.
Absolutly not , if anything the idea is to mantain status quo while giving it a fancy name (joint soverignity etc), something which perhaps the TSP Govt. (i.e Gilani and Co.) can show to the awam as some sort of concession made by India whereas it is nothing more than declaring LoC = IB. Perhaps this is looked upon as the only way whereby the Democracy in TSP can be given a face saver and army can be weakened by taking out the source of their propoganda.

Without any head or basis for thier propoganda the army divide would become clearer in TSP and hopefully it makes India's job easier.

Pardon me for trying to dig out the chanakyin motive behind GoI's TSP policy but it's always good to have an alternate view I suppoose.

You are right on point. Something on similar lines i posted in foreign policy thread yesterday...X-posting it here...

GOI is really chanakian here by making border irrelevant GOI is bringing POK and NA in its fold.I think MMS should move one extra mile more to make whole international border with pakistan as irrelevant so that people can move freely in both side of the border.We 've to return to pre 1947 borders of british india and have to claim back our lost land and lost people.thats the dream of every indian ,pakistani ,PA,even L-e-T,RSS, and even BRFites here but only thing is every one call their deam with different names like indic for bfrites,bharat for rss, Caliphate for PA and L-e-t.but dream is same as that of united land of british india from afghanistan to burma....Different name doesnt mean different dream.Btw as Shakespeare said whats there in a name......

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 17 Jun 2010 02:45

tchandr wrote:Another day at office. 40 pak's finest were captured by talibunnies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_ ... 329806.stm

This dawn report says that they have handed over 5 soldiers to Pakistani consulate in Jalalabad.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... army-rs-03

More than 30 Pakistani troops were missing on Wednesday after an attack earlier in the week by Afghan Taliban on a border post, with the militants claiming to hold dozens of soldiers captive, the Pakistan Army said.

Militants handed over five troops to the Pakistani consulate in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, but the whereabouts of the other 35 was unknown

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 17 Jun 2010 02:52

Kaangress-led GOI is Chanakian in all directions - they could just as easily be trying to play the Oslo game of saying all things to all people, in order to try and please everybody, only for it to all blow up in everybody's faces later on. When you create a wider perception of joint sovereignty, then you are creating expectations that can later be used against you later on.

It was under Oslo that PLO became legitimized, when previously Arafat couldn't even get into the US to make a speech at the UN. This was then the thin end of the wedge that let the Hamas camel nose its way under the tent of "peace". Now we have the shyamd's of the world licking Hamas' footsoles - how long will it be before they are calling L-e-T the "voice of the people"?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Jun 2010 02:57

Prem wrote:The drama continue,same old actors playing different role, same boring play ..Yawn
U.S. Showed Pakistan Evidence on Militant Faction

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/06/ ... .html?_r=1

This Paki pretty much sums up why TSP is frustrated with US, and why their hatred of USA cannot be equated with their hatred of India. TSP demands that USA deliver India

Every Pakistani is of the openion that India does not have any genuine cause to be in Afghanistan, except her nefarious design against Pakistan i.e to keep Pakistan under pressure. If Indians are not checked there, nobody should expect from any type of govt in Pakistan, not to do any thing about it. Indian overtures there, despite with consent of Karzai, are highly disliked in Pakistan. My advice to the people at the helm is that it must be checked if they really want to fight against terrorism. This state of affairs is further agravating hateful sentiments against U.S/West. Pakistan would not tolerate this scenario and would not resist taking any such action which is being suspected. Terrorism war can not be successfully accomplished w/o Pakistan's support and can be w/o Indians active help.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 17 Jun 2010 02:58

Pakistan 'gave funds' to group on UN terror blacklist

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 17 Jun 2010 04:51

Nihat wrote:
Kashmir is atoot ang of India is long history. TSP terror, nuke blackmail, and US pressure has made India climb down. There is widespread consensus amoung the ruling elite in India, sans toothless BJP, that India will have to dilute its soverignty over the valley to buy US-dictated piss with TSP. The current thinking is reconciliation with TSPA (including LET) not confrontation which we have conceeded is a lost cause.
Absolutly not , if anything the idea is to mantain status quo while giving it a fancy name (joint soverignity etc), something which perhaps the TSP Govt. (i.e Gilani and Co.) can show to the awam as some sort of concession made by India whereas it is nothing more than declaring LoC = IB. Perhaps this is looked upon as the only way whereby the Democracy in TSP can be given a face saver and army can be weakened by taking out the source of their propoganda.

Without any head or basis for thier propoganda the army divide would become clearer in TSP and hopefully it makes India's job easier.

Pardon me for trying to dig out the chanakyin motive behind GoI's TSP policy but it's always good to have an alternate view I suppoose.

I agree what every MMS & SG wish to do to pander to their masters wishes they cannot give any territory to appease pakis. They will be wiped out in next elections and these politicians have a pulse of vote banks they will not do anything to rock the boat. If they want to test waters we can see some agreement on Sir Creek & Siachen that will give them a feel of how people can react. Remember Mumbai 26/11 did not affect Congress re-election chances in any way so government knows that mango man has the stomach to take these punches without reacting in adverse way so there is no real incentive for them to search for peace with pakis. Both military & civilian losses are business as usual for aam aadmi so what ever unkil says or paki says our babus and netas will just bid for time with regular lip service like borders to be made irrelevant etc what ever that means. As Najam Sethi said pakis are at the moment more desparate to buy temporary peace than India to re-program their sosai bummers. We have absolutely no hurry to cease fire in 2010.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Jun 2010 06:17

Abhijit wrote: There have been over 1000 combat deaths in fakap alone and another 1000 plus in eyeraq. Pretty soon the american servicemen's casualty roster will become longer than the 3000 odd civilians that perished in the 9/11. Today there is not even a peep about the soldiers' deaths.

There is yet another angle here. The fact is this is also a war - a real war. War for us gets compressed in history books to a few words "King blahbah fought king bluckbluck and defeated him after 4 years war".

The USA is a highly developed Pakistan in some aspects. Highly militarized, willing to use the military, but prefers to use proxies, and has a very high opinion of one's military prowess. Oh of course the US is very powerful but wars are not predesigned to have an end point unless you draw the line somewhere. This too is well known. Start a war. End a war and declare victory. Pakistan too has done this more than once.

In Pakistan, the US is fighting its own slave - a slave who knows every trick that his master employs. Still the US does not take defeat well. Echandee is vital to the US. They beam out more ehcandee preserving info than anyone else on earth. They may have been defeated in Vietnam but look where Vietnam stands today in the world. Not just Vietnam. The nations the US fights do not recover that soon unless they embrace and engage the US again after the war.

Anyhow - getting to the point - I just wonder if both Pakistan army and US echandee can be preserved by what I think is a simple solution. Create a new country out of Waziristan, parts of Balochistan and Afghanistan consisting mainly of mountains. Bomb the hell out of anything that moves there and reveal the true meaning of "asymmetry" in asymmetric warfare

And let a rump state Pakistan survive with its army.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jun 2010 06:57

Paquistan is a leader of Ummah, the most pwerful Islamic nation and no food.
Never have Allah raised a Nation which is so Fuddu.
http://www.thefrontierpost.com/News.asp ... ed&nid=380
Now ‘ghost’ tandoors

Much has been heard about ‘ghost’ schools and ‘ghost’ teachers but now the existence of ‘ghost’ tanoors’ (loaf baking ovens) has also been reported from many parts of Punjab where “Sasti Roti” (cheap wheat flour loaf) has become a regular source of income for the workers of ruling Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz). Going by such reports coming from several districts of the largest province, it seems that Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif’s scheme of subsidizing wheat flour for tanoors to sell a 120-gram loaf at Rs2 while it costs Rs4 to 5 if wheat flour is purchased from the open market. The provincial government allocated an amount of Rs5 billion for the scheme this year and same is the allocation for the next fiscal. The scheme provides that the food department issues a quota of subsidized flour to tanoors to buy on a daily basis a 20-KG bag of the commodity from a specified flour mills for Rs 250 against a market price of Rs 550. The scheme was seen as a windfall by several PML-N organiSationS across the province and reports from Lahore, Gujranwla, Siakot, Kasur, Sheikhupura, Jhelum, Muzaffargarh, Rawalpindi, BahAwalnagar, Vehari and Leyyah suggest that ruling party workers, in collusion with food department officials and the district administration, got huge flour quotas sanctioned in the name of tanoors and sold most of the commodity in market. The PML-N workers ultimately pocketed a substantial amount of illegal money. Such a news report from Muzaffargarh says that PML-N workers got approved 41 tanoors in Khangarh tehsil, but only 25 were functioning on the ground and the remaining ‘ghost tanoors’ were getting the daily flour quota only to be sold to consumers on market rate. Muzaffargarh DCO conceded having ordered the closure of 16 ‘ghost’ tanoors in Khangarh. The DCO’s order means that the unlawful business not only exists but is thriving. “Sasti Roti” is a good scheme in the wake of the abnormal increase in the price of the most essential commodity which is selling at least at Rs27 a kilogramme in open market and tanoors were selling one loaf for Rs 5 before the scheme was announced last year

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 17 Jun 2010 08:10

Kayani is in China for military talks. This plus the terror alerts at our airports may indicate something serious. IIRC, Kayani was in China and Saudi before 26/11 as well.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 17 Jun 2010 09:20

‘Nawaz Sharif, are you still a Muslim?’

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Sharif-ar ... 58765.aspx

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Jun 2010 09:55

Pak seeks advanced US choppers to hunt Al-Qaeda
( Virginia Class Nuke Submarine to be added in next package and us will carry and plant Paki Flag on the Moon. Watch the 69 Show )
http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jun/ ... -qaeda.htm

Pakistan has sought advanced US attack helicopters, Unmaned Aerial Vehicles and other weapons under a whopping $2.5 billion arms 'wish list' to bolster its hunt for Al-Qaeda's [ Images ] senior leadership hiding in the country's unruly northwest.
The arms that Pakistan has requested includes new helicopter gunships, including AH-1W and the Apache-64-D; armed helicopters, such as the AH-6 and MD-530 Little Bird; and utility and cargo helicopters, such as the UH-60 Black Hawk, the CH-47 D Chinook and the UH-1Y Huey, The Washington Times reported on Wednesday."I have been ambassador here for two years, and all I have to show for it is eight secondhand Mi-17 transport helicopters for a war that requires helicopters to root out Al Qaeda [ Images ] and the Taliban [ Images ]," Pakistan's ambassador to the US, Husain Haqqani, was quoted as saying by the newspaper.
"Military operations would have been quicker and much easier to plan and execute if we had the equipment. We have had tremendous attrition and a lot of loss of lives because of not having the right equipment," Haqqani said. Pentagon [ Images ] Press Secretary Geoff Morrell said the US is aware of Pakistan's military wish list."The Pakistani military's interest in additional lift is well-known, and we have tried to help meet their needs by providing several Mi-17s. We will continue to try to help them acquire the helicopters and other equipment they require to defeat the insurgents and terrorists in their midst," he said.

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Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 17 Jun 2010 10:11

Prem wrote:
I have been ambassador here for two years, and all I have to show for it is eight secondhand Mi-17 transport helicopters for a war that requires helicopters to root out Al Qaeda [ Images ] and the Taliban [ Images ],"

Guys, the scense of entitlement shown by TSP is mindblowing.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jun 2010 11:14

The US is finally asking the Pakistani army to take out the Quetta Shura and the Haqqani Group, going by news reports of ISI being present in the Quetta Shura and the recent kabul and afghanistan attacks carried out by the Haqqani groups.
All this means big trouble ahead for Pakistan. They are now caught between hell and high water.
They will be left by the wayside if the US decides to take unilateral military action. The public pressure on the Pak Army to take on the US in battle will be high, besides there will be no baksheesh from massa, and redemption to those who had taken baksheesh and not delivered.

On the other hand is the Haqqani Group. These guys are Pakistan Army's right hand, their main strategic forces in the Afghan playground, besides they were the ones who received Messers OBL and Company on his escape from Tora Bora, and they hold many a skeleton in the ISI-Pak Army-9/11-Terrorism/International Jihad movement. There will be hell if the Pakistan army touches the Haqqanis. The officers who orders and the officers who carry out any military action against the Haqqanis will meet their 72s along with their families and their extended families. Besides with the Haqqanis indulging in the same festivities that the Mehsuds are indulging in within pakistan will be too much for the Pak Fauj to handle.

What does the Pakistan army do now?

I suspect that a spectacular event will have to take place that will forestall any pressure on the Pakistan Army for the time being.

Any guesses what that might be?