Su-30MKI vs Su-35BM debate

AnuragK · Post by **AnuragK** » 16 Aug 2010 03:39

It may be recalled that development and trial of some of the key technologies that will go into the PAK-FA started some 2-1/2 - 3 decades or so back. In this regard some of those technologies that are near maturity have been split between 2 aircraft - Mig-35 & Su-35BM. While the MiG-35 has received the preliminary AESA radar (yet to be more evolved) and the 3-D TVC that will finally go into the PAK-FA, the Su-35BM has received the 117S engine (itself a derivative of the AL41) and this or further finer refinement of this will finally go into the PAK-FA.

Hence, Su-30MKI minus canard foreplane plus 117S engine plus Irbis radar instead of BARS = Su-35BM. It may also be noted that Su-35BM has retained 2-D TVC.

All of the above or any combination of the above can at any given point of time be incorporated into the MKI as an upgrade. So, why worry???? Just imagine the MKI with AESA + 117S engine + 3-D TVC. Game, set, and match; the ultimate evolution of generation 4.75.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 16 Aug 2010 03:40

IB4TL!!!

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 16 Aug 2010 05:36

eye bee 4 tea yell

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 16 Aug 2010 05:36

IB4TL

AnuragK · Post by **AnuragK** » 16 Aug 2010 06:14

wud anyone plz bother 2 explain/expand what is meant by IB4TL, so that a befitting reply may b given

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 16 Aug 2010 06:30

spetsnaz wrote:a befitting reply may b given

No way, you can give a befitting reply in this case.

In Beeeeeeeeeeee 444444 Thread Lock

This ez one of the phestival of the faithfools. Join in.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 16 Aug 2010 06:31

spetsnaz wrote:wud anyone plz bother 2 explain/expand what is meant by IB4TL, so that a befitting reply may b given

IB4TL stands for "In before the lock" which means that this thread will be soon locked my the mods. Unlike most other forums, BR does not encourage starting of new threads if the topic can be discussed in an existing thread (like Su-30 thread in this case). This is just to avoid clutter.

Also, writing in sms speak is strongly discouraged here. Just a heads up so that you can avoid the wrath of the moderators in the future.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 16 Aug 2010 06:34

All of the above or any combination of the above can at any given point of time be incorporated into the MKI as an upgrade. So, why worry???? Just imagine the MKI with AESA + 117S engine + 3-D TVC. Game, set, and match; the ultimate evolution of generation 4.75.

I am imaging now before going to sleep. I am flying in pushpaka vimana(version__-----

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In Be 4 the Thread is Locked

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 16 Aug 2010 07:39

IB4TL

Mahesh_R · Post by **Mahesh_R** » 16 Aug 2010 08:11

IB4TL !!!

SumitG · Post by **SumitG** » 16 Aug 2010 08:22

Count up...IB4TL only

sohamn · Post by **sohamn** » 16 Aug 2010 08:40

IB4TL

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 16 Aug 2010 08:49

IB4TL!!

AnuragK · Post by **AnuragK** » 16 Aug 2010 09:01

Gaur wrote:
spetsnaz wrote:wud anyone plz bother 2 explain/expand what is meant by IB4TL, so that a befitting reply may b given
IB4TL stands for "In before the lock" which means that this thread will be soon locked my the mods. Unlike most other forums, BR does not encourage starting of new threads if the topic can be discussed in an existing thread (like Su-30 thread in this case). This is just to avoid clutter.
Also, writing in sms speak is strongly discouraged here. Just a heads up so that you can avoid the wrath of the moderators in the future.

Thanks for the explanation/expansion. However, IB4TL also is SMS lingo.

aditp · Post by **aditp** » 16 Aug 2010 09:18

IB4TL

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 16 Aug 2010 09:24

IB4TL.....

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 16 Aug 2010 09:42

IB4TL

bodhi · Post by **bodhi** » 16 Aug 2010 09:46

ib4tl

nits · Post by **nits** » 16 Aug 2010 10:10

I.B.4.T.L.

prastor · Post by **prastor** » 16 Aug 2010 10:24

So... is this thread allowed by the moderators or did they just miss it today?

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 16 Aug 2010 10:29

IB4TL

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 16 Aug 2010 10:30

the moderator misses nothing.
including your rocket ship undies!

shanksinha · Post by **shanksinha** » 16 Aug 2010 10:41

ib4tl

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 16 Aug 2010 10:55

IB4TL.....AoA

parshuram · Post by **parshuram** » 16 Aug 2010 10:59

IB4TL

rsharma · Post by **rsharma** » 16 Aug 2010 11:31

Faithfool Birathers.. give Spetzy a break..!!

This is just to avoid clutter..

More than anything else.. fact is.. unless u r a Mod/cozily acquainted to a Mod/ BRF-oldie/ hot-shot journo providing stuff to BRF/.. pretty much no one is allowed to start a Thread..

ovein · Post by **ovein** » 16 Aug 2010 11:35

In before the lock

Jaeger · Post by **Jaeger** » 16 Aug 2010 11:37

Eye Beefar Tee Yell.
This can easily be discussed in the Su-30 thread.

AnuragK · Post by **AnuragK** » 16 Aug 2010 12:19

To all you folks who have responded with IB4TL, my advice would be that you please direct your energies in contributing/enhancing productively to the context of the subject with your knowledge. In case you do not have anything specific to add, then no need to go ballistic with IB4TL. That is the job of the Mod and the Mod will do his/her job. Since you people are not the Mod do not try to usurp the Mod's role. Also, for your info, the thread was started because within the already cluttered Su-30 thread there is utter confusion regarding these 2 aircraft, their similarities and differences, their origins, capabilities, their lineage and background, etc.
Further, the post has not been written without considerable research into the subject and is not based on half-baked knowledge as is evident from the comments on the Su-30 thread which has added to the confusion.

steve · Post by **steve** » 16 Aug 2010 12:34

spetsnaz wrote:To all you folks who have responded with IB4TL, my advice would be that you please direct your energies in contributing/enhancing productively to the context of the subject with your knowledge. In case you do not have anything specific to add, then no need to go ballistic with IB4TL. That is the job of the Mod and the Mod will do his/her job. Since you people are not the Mod do not try to usurp the Mod's role. Also, for your info, the thread was started because within the already cluttered Su-30 thread there is utter confusion regarding these 2 aircraft, their similarities and differences, their origins, capabilities, their lineage and background, etc.
Further, the post has not been written without considerable research into the subject and is not based on half-baked knowledge as is evident from the comments on the Su-30 thread which has added to the confusion.

spetsnaz........well said

. Clearly many are trying to play over smart. It is a good Topic and I am with you. Instead of going overdrive on "IB4TL" slogan it could have been well served If some useful stuff was posted. In fact I personally don't know much about the difference Su 30 mki are su 35.

Looking forward for a healthy discussion on the topic.

JimmyJ · Post by **JimmyJ** » 16 Aug 2010 13:19

Sorry but still IBTL

It is simple, is there a thread active on X vs Y on BR...............

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 16 Aug 2010 13:22

I would like this thread to continue so that i better understand the difference between these two aircrafts. Hope, the enlightened souls throw some nice posts comparing the two. IWTIO ( In while thread is open) ...

neerajb · Post by **neerajb** » 16 Aug 2010 13:24

IB4TL.

That's the reason BRF is different from Orkut where one just wakes up one fine morning, decides to post something and starts a new X Vs Y thread.

Cheers....

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 16 Aug 2010 13:28

I like the subject, but probably could be discussed in the MKI thread.

sombhat · Post by **sombhat** » 16 Aug 2010 13:41

Hi spetsnaz,

The mods seem to be taking a chia biskoot break. Otherwise, the first Hellphire would take out your name. As per BRF, it should be human sounding (like spetsnaz-al-moskva).

Oh yes, IB4TL

nits · Post by **nits** » 16 Aug 2010 14:23

Chk this - http://forum.keypublishing.com/archive/ ... 31898.html

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 16 Aug 2010 14:34

IB4TL

My IB4TL in long long time. Thanks Spetznaz.

And og, welcome to BRF.

Vinu · Post by **Vinu** » 16 Aug 2010 14:54

IB4TL - 2nd time. Thanks

James B · Post by **James B** » 16 Aug 2010 15:00

IB4TL!!!. Its better off if you pose this question in Newbie Thread.

niran · Post by **niran** » 16 Aug 2010 15:07

man! why am i always the last to see?
IB4TL
eye bee 4 tea yell
In Before The Lock