Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 2010

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Oct 2010 08:26

Let's be clear about what we're up against

Vir Sanghvi on Musharraf's recent comments

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Let-s-be- ... 10666.aspx

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLIC ... tml?Mode=1

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Oct 2010 08:35

Pakistan Will Reopen Route to Supplies for NATO

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/world ... pstan.html

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Oct 2010 08:39

An American educator's observations on Pakistani students in Pakistan, from TFT: 'Work in Progress'

That word ‘elite’ comes into play here. In the US, no college student would describe him or herself as elite – that word is primarily reserved for use as a political insult. Americans, notoriously, valorise the idea of belonging to the middle class, sometimes to a ludicrous degree. These Pakistani students, at one of the best private universities in the country, have no such compunctions, and are quite pleased to describe themselves and their family backgrounds with the words, “we are the elites,” or other words to that effect. This tendency partly reflects an inherited colonialist culture; perhaps, it partly reflects the reality of deep economic divisions reflected in the ubiquitous servant culture that every American I spoke with privately described as jarring. Sure, American college students at top schools also tend to have a sense of entitlement, but nothing that compares with the elite classes of Pakistani society.

Not all the students at this private school come from backgrounds of privilege, however. In my small, unscientific sample of about forty students whom I met (out of sixty-five enrolled in my two courses), I encountered ten or so who come from worlds very different from that of Lahore’s upper class. These students tended to approach me quietly and privately to describe their backgrounds; students from small villages, not only in the Punjab but also from the areas around Karachi and Peshawar; the student who confided that he had grown up on streets similar to the ones we were walking through in the area around Lahore’s Walled City; the student from FATA, the Federal Administered Tribal Agencies, who couldn’t go home.

My students – many of whom, again, had graduated from the finest schools – knew almost literally nothing of non-Pakistani history and culture. The reason is not that Pakistan is culturally isolated – far from it. At one point I found myself confronted by a room full of students who had an exhaustive knowledge of the movies that were Oscar candidates last year, but among whom the vast majority had never heard of Beethoven’s 9th Symphony. In general, students had no idea – not even a wrong idea! – about the significance of the French Revolution or World War I, the history of nationalism and empires, the contents of the Book of Genesis, the Scientific Revolution or the Renaissance. Again, when I pressed students, faculty members and alumni, the answer was always the same: the fault lies with the secondary school curriculum, and particularly the fact that during General Zia ul Haq’s rule secondary school curricula were shifted to emphasize Pakistan Studies and Islam at the expense of everything else. Again, that can only be a very partial explanation. But it is worth noting that this lack of cultural literacy helps feed the culture of conspiracy theories for which Pakistan is justly famous.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Oct 2010 08:44

Incorrect conclusions.

TSP is an Islamic state. Since Islam is perfect revelation any failing or lacuna is due to conspiracy of the others to bring disrepute to the true believers!

archan · Post by **archan** » 10 Oct 2010 08:52

abhishek_sharma wrote:Let's be clear about what we're up against

Vir Sanghvi on Musharraf's recent comments

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Let-s-be- ... 10666.aspx

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLIC ... tml?Mode=1

Mr. Sanghvi concludes that even though pakis are terrorists, let us make peace with them, including Musharraf - forgetting our own martyrs of not so far back in history, just 1999. One wonders how does he propose we make peace with the terrorists. The fun part is, this is not mentioned at all. Does Mr. Sanghvi stick to his older opinion of giving up Kashmir to make peace? what is the guarantee that they will be happy and peaceful once they get the valley, and all of Jammu? what will you give them then, Mr. Sanghvi?
Someone said it rightly in the comments - the oldest law is, an eye for an eye and terrorism for terrorism. I hope the powers that be in Bharat realize that before it is too late.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Oct 2010 08:59

Archan, The TSP and US are providing the stage for India to ensure a Three musketeers solution to Milady.

TSP = Milady
US = Cardinal

India = Three Musketeers

In the book the musketeers have Milady executed and provide the Cardinal's own paper pardoning the bearer of the note!

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Oct 2010 09:29

X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread:

Sunday, October 10, 2010

Dasti diverted floodwaters to Christian village, killed 15: report

LAHORE: The Punjab government has called an inquiry report regarding a news item published in Italian newspaper Awenire in which the paper alleged that a Pakistani politician had ordered the diversion of floodwaters into a Christian village, killing at least 15 people, in an attempt to save his personal property. The Punjab government has called this report after receiving a circular issued by the Interior Ministry, in which it was stated that a local politician of Muzaffargarh, Member National Assembly (MNA) Jamshed Dasti, had ordered the diversion of floodwaters into a Christian village, killing at least 15 people, in an attempt to save his personal property. …………………

Daily Times

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 10 Oct 2010 09:31

The significant part of Gola's NDTV interview is his claim that the L-e-T are freedom fighters, in response to a direct question by Barkha.

Here is the transcript. http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/perve ... ript-58532

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Oct 2010 10:18

abhishek_sharma wrote:Let's be clear about what we're up against

Vir Sanghvi on Musharraf's recent comments

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Let-s-be- ... 10666.aspx

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLIC ... tml?Mode=1

Vir Singhvi, despite his semblance of getting it, remains a deluded DDM journalist with ultimately no intellect worth anything. Consider the conclusion of his article:

So yes, let's try and make peace with Pakistan. Let's even break bread with Musharraf. But let's be under no illusions about what we are up against.

No interest in exploring what it means to be both have "no illusions" and "try and make peace", "break bread" and so on. Only overriding concern is in joining the crowd of Indian elites who place being seen as a "nice guy" and bhaichara with Pakis (who they think are "just like us", an unbelievably offensive notion), above defending one's own country and people.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 Oct 2010 10:52

Vir Sanghvi is as clueless as everybody else in India it seems. But the brazenness of TSP as exhibited by Mush is breath taking. Calling LET as "freedom fighters".

But I see another sinister line of thinking he seems to spearhead, which pretty soon the likes of Bakara will parrot. Remember, Vir Sanghvi has said in the past that India is on its way to "super powerdom" and hence if Kashmiri Muslims want to seceede, India should let them go. So the new thinking is this:

Mighty USA also admitted that ISI is supporting terrorists to kill Americans in Afganisthan. And mighty USA still feels that it must make concessions to TSP including making "peace" with the terrorists. So if USA can do all that, why not India? Why not India understand that TSP needs LET. Why not India understand that TSP needs Kashmir handed over to them. After all, India is on its way to superpowerdom and it cannot afford to let TSP stew and fail. You get the drift which will make you throw up.

What this horse manure ignores is that USA can cut such deals because it needs to, and can run away with its H&D intact, and there is no way TSP can threaten its interests except for the occasional terror threat. TSP is not in an ideological war with US. TSP RAPE will be happy to pocket US goodies after AfPak and make sure US interests are met.

In contrast, India has to live with a an emboldended TSP armed to its teetth with nukes. Plus, the concessions TSP seeks from India are nothing short of India's destruction.

Somehow I cannot understand why any of India's elites cannot come down to say that if all bets are off, India must be prepared to hit TSP head on. As long as India maintains this cowardly position that war is not an option, TSP will sit on its high horse and dictate terms to India. Pathetic.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Oct 2010 11:03

abhishek_sharma wrote:Let's be clear about what we're up against

Vir Sanghvi on Musharraf's recent comments

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Let-s-be- ... 10666.aspx

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLIC ... tml?Mode=1

Indians underestimate the hold of Kashmir on the Pakistani psyche at their own peril. No matter what the reality is, Pakistanis see Kashmir as a part of Pakistan that has been illegally occupied by the Indian Army which murders and rapes the local population for its pleasure. Because the Indian role in Kashmir is caricatured in such terms, it becomes morally acceptable to launch violent attacks against those who operate a reign of terror against the suffering Kashmiri people.

That's why Pakistani politicians brag about their support for Kashmiri militant groups. And that's why it will always remain politically and morally valid to launch terrorist attacks in Kashmir. We laugh when Pakistanis call Kashmiri militants ‘freedom fighters'. But here's the frightening thing: they really believe it.

All this should make us apprehensive about the future. Pakistan's leaders all admit their country nurtures Kashmiri terrorism. The Americans admit that there are terrorist training camps in Pakistan. The West is giving Pakistan considerable leeway in its dealings with jihadi groups in an effort to placate Pakistani public opinion. And attacks against ‘the oppressors of the Kashmiri people' have a moral legitimacy within Pakistan.

I think there is a gross underestimation of what "Pakistan" consists of. Pakistan (as per today's paper) has:

around 25 m under five, nearly 45% under 18 according to Unicef

Such inconvenient facts are always ignored by Pakistani leaders and world leaders. These people - and some of their parents briefly showed up in images during the floods. they are buried again. More than 50% of Pakistanis do not have the funds or lifestyle to support jihad against India. Of course many Pakistanis are part of the jihad - but to use an India example - if you pick out all the Indians who want to nuke Pakistan I am sure you can finds at least 200 million Indians who want that.

Th Paki army survives on the support of the admittedly rich and influential people who support jihad - and the rast are thought not to matter. But Pakistan's failure will come from that latter bunch, just as its "successes" come from he elite, army and well fed supporters of jihad.

To quote from the paper linked above:

Three main factors are the reason behind no serious grassroots movement for change in Pakistan. These are: heterogeneity of the population of Pakistan; absence of a unifying ideology around which people can rally; and absence of a cohesive political entity capable of capturing and directing the immense anger and discontent that prevails amongst ordinary Pakistanis across much of the nation.

In propping up the politico-military kleptocracy in Pakistan, which in more than 60 years of its existence, has failed to address the needs of ordinary citizens, the west is gambling that no unifying ideology will emerge to harness and direct public anger against the status quo. The only serious candidate for such a role at present — political Islamism — is being alternately suppressed and co-opted by the Pakistan Army and the ISI, with western support or indulgence, in an effort to keep it from gaining political momentum.

Read more: The West must take long-term view of Pak - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... z11vtipNZC

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 10 Oct 2010 11:15

Nandu wrote:The significant part of Gola's NDTV interview is his claim that the L-e-T are freedom fighters, in response to a direct question by Barkha.

Here is the transcript. http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/perve ... ript-58532

I guess that makes 26/11 an attempt to liberate Mumbai...What an ahole.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Oct 2010 11:45

NDTV is focusing on Musharraf's "famous" 4-point formula.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Oct 2010 11:46

Tx.Guddu,Poor Plip made a boo-boo!

Did you see Musha-rat on telly,brazenly advocating and reiterating that "One man's freedom fighter...",that the Paki terrorists trained by the Pakis are legitimate jihadis?!
The same compliment can be paid back by India,by openly supporting disident groups in Sindh,Baluchistan and other Afghan entities who hate the Pakis.Obama must be told that if the US do not defang Pak,then India will do it in its own way.Obama has to be dealt with very firmly when he is in India.Any pro-Pak,sympathy for Pak must be condemned during his visit,if uttered either from him or his aides.The US ambassador showed in an interview that he also suffers from the "turd wortd" syndrome,imagining us to be of the same intellecutal level as primates.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Oct 2010 11:50

Philip wrote:The US ambassador showed in an interview that he also suffers from the "turd wortd" syndrome,imagining us to be of the same intellecutal level as primates.

What did he say?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 Oct 2010 11:56

abhishek_sharma wrote:NDTV is focusing on Musharraf's "famous" 4-point formula.

Not just focus, Bakara was all fawning over Mush and said his 4-point formula is the only solution. Can anybody re-iterate what his 4-point BS is? I recall one of his points was "joint soverignty" which MMS suppodedly agreed to.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Oct 2010 12:04

CRamS wrote: Can anybody re-iterate what his 4-point BS is? I recall one of his points was "joint soverignty" which MMS suppodedly agreed to.

http://newamerica.net/publications/arti ... nnel_11191

The most recent version of the nonpaper, drafted in early 2007, laid out several principles for a settlement, according to people who have seen the draft or have participated in the discussions about it. Kashmiris would be given special rights to move and trade freely on both sides of the Line of Control. Each of the former princely state’s distinct regions would receive a measure of autonomy-- details would be negotiated later. Providing that violence declined, each side would gradually withdraw its troops from the region. At some point, the Line of Control might be acknowledged by both governments as an international border. It is not clear how firm a commitment on a final border the negotiators were prepared to make, or how long it would all take; one person involved suggested a time line of about ten to fifteen years.

One of the most difficult issues involved a plan to establish a joint body, made up of local Kashmiri leaders, Indians, and Pakistanis, to oversee issues that affected populations on both sides of the Line of Control, such as water rights. Pakistan sought something close to shared governance, with the Kashmiris taking a leading role; India, fearing a loss of sovereignty, wanted much less power-sharing. The envoys wrestled intensively over what language to use to describe the scope of this new body; the last draft termed it a “joint mechanism.”

It appears that such proposals are internally inconsistent. If LoC becomes the international border, why should others play any role in governance of our part of J&K.

Moreover, the acknowledgement of LoC as international border would only happen in the future (Only Allah knows when), whereas the "joint mechanism" would kick in immediately.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 Oct 2010 12:31

abhishek_sharma:

Thanks. The scary thing is that except for "Hindu extremists" like us, the entire current media/political elite will overwhelmingly endorse this 4-point crap. According to Mush, MMS pretty much signed on to this.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 10 Oct 2010 13:27

MushRat has no credibility left even in Pakisatan for this 4 point formula to be taken seriously. At worst, only the WKK brigade in India will try to follow up, nobody else will waste any time and resources

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Oct 2010 13:43

jamwal wrote: At worst, only the WKK brigade in India will try to follow up, nobody else will waste any time and resources

Unfortunately not. If I remember correctly, the Govt of India had said that we should build on what was discussed during Musharraf's time. Pakis rejected it by saying that they couldn't find any records of the discussions in their foreign office. In a strange way, Pakis are doing what is good.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Oct 2010 13:49

saip wrote:
amdavadi wrote:If paquis are not around 10 years from now. What will happen to plebicite? would valley Roper would merge with pakjabi or taller than
mountain breather sitting in balwaristan?
When Bangladesh split they had more people there than the Pakis, then how come they dont have say in Kashmir?

RajeshA wrote:Yup any plebiscite would have 3 options: India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

saip wrote:No. Only India or Bangladesh.

RajeshA wrote:
saip wrote:No. Only India or Bangladesh.
You're right saip ji.

Actually Sheikh Mujibar Rehman won the Pakistani elections in 1970. He won 160 from 300 seats in the National Assembly.

So in fact Bangladesh is the true inheritor of pre-1971 Pakistani State. That means any Plebiscite in J&K can have only India and Bangladesh as the two choices.

When are we having the plebiscite by the way?

As has been established earlier, the question of UN Resolutions (e.g. U.N. Resolution 47) on J&K plebiscite is an issue between India and Bangladesh.

Pakistan is simply an illegitimate organization occupying land in J&K, which needs to be kicked out. They have absolutely no locus standi on Kashmir. The UN Resolutions talk about a different Pakistan, that doesn't exist any more and if it does then Bangladesh is the successor state.

Not the name should determine the successor state of Pakistan, but rather the determination of representativeness through democratic means.

The first acknowledgement by India of the current Pakistan as a state in its own right was made through the Simla Accord. For all other purposes and issues related to pre-Simla Accord, either India would consider any treaties and resolutions dealing with India and Pakistan as null and void; or would consider them to be applicable to India and Bangladesh, as Bangladesh would be recognized by India as the successor state of the original Pakistan.

Perhaps with Indian support, Bangladesh should try to get itself recognized as the successor state to pre-1971 Pakistan in the international community. Once this has been established. Bangladesh can choose to withdraw from the question of plebiscite in J&K, and accepts J&K's Instrument of Accession to India. The UN Resolutions on Kashmir become null and void.

Then Pakistan simply becomes an illegal entity occupying Gilgit-Baltistan and West-Jammu, in need to be kicked out.

vic · Post by **vic** » 10 Oct 2010 14:33

There are 2 views - MMS American stooge!

My view:- I diagree, I think that Right or wrong MMS has adopted a well thought out policy to keep low profile and accelerate development as done by China between 1980s to 2000 or so. In this way, he may allow track 2 diplomats to discuss lot of nonsense which will never be official Indian policy or ever be implemented. The only problem seems to be that Omar Abdullah has turned out to be a bigger moron than anybody ever imagined.

PS-I believe that MMS is NOT an american man in India but he was Indira/Narsimhan-India's man in US

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Oct 2010 15:17

Published on Oct 10, 2010
By Ali K Chishti
Karachi’s sectarian war may escalate: Daily Times

A top intelligence chief while speaking to Daily Times confirmed that the attack could be linked to “the killing of a prominent cleric of Jamia Binoria Almia, Maulana Muhammad Amin, who was shot dead earlier this week at the Nauras roundabout, SITE, Karachi”.

Interestingly, Mufti Naeem, the head of Jamia Binoria, held the Sunni Tehreek – which runs most of the shrines in Karachi – responsible for the murder of the deceased Maulana Amin and also exclaimed “that Iran is also involved in assassinating Deoband leaders in Pakistan”.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Oct 2010 16:05

^^^ So the attack on the Abdullah Shah Ghazi Muslim Shrine was a Intra Sectarian bout of bloodletting with the Sunni Muslim Deobandi taking on the Sunni Muslim Barelvi / Brelvi in retaliation for the prior killing of Sunni Muslim Deobandi cleric Maulana Muhammad Amin by Sunni Muslim Barelvi / Brelvi assisted by Iran which in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is the proxy word for Muslims of the Shia sect ?

So where does that leave Russia via the KGB (Sic) and India via the RAW which the Majid Nizami owned and Dr. Shireen Mazari edited Nation insists are involved

:

Covert hands behind sectarian bloodshed

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Oct 2010 16:15

X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

Excerpt from Spiegel Online’s interview of US National Security Advisor James Jones dealing with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s role as the spawning hrounds of Islamic Terrorism shortly before his resignation.

10/08/2010

'Hope Is Not a Strategy'

Outgoing Security Advisor Jones Voices Concern on Pakistan

SPIEGEL ONLINE: ……………….. Why is Pakistan still the main breeding ground of terrorism?

Jones: We have been working very closely with the Pakistani government for a long time now. In some cases the Pakistanis have responded quite well. Their operations in the Swat Valley and South Waziristan, for example, were timely and very effective. At the same time, there has been a very steady message that Pakistan needs to do more to stem terrorism, especially when they know where it is and when officials have information about what the terrorists are doing. If the Pakistanis are going to be a partner in the long term, they have to make a commitment that shows the watching world that they are serious about forms of terrorism.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Should your cooperation with the Pakistani army fail, is there a possibility that Pakistan would become the next military target of the US?

Jones: I am going to take the optimistic view that rational people do rational things and that -- with the help of friends and allies and common goals -- Pakistan will avoid, or hopefully avoid, that unfortunate eventuality. But hope is not a strategy, so we have to be cognizant of the fact that there are things which could happen that could alter the relationship if we are not careful. ………………..

Spiegel Online

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 10 Oct 2010 16:53

If there were any bounty hunters among the purelanders and missed the million-dollar-talibani here is good news
Baloch nationalist leader's son offers Rs1 billion bounty for Pervez Musharraf's head
The price is higher for gola's head.

James B · Post by **James B** » 10 Oct 2010 17:10

Drone-acharya sends 7 to their 72s

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 10 Oct 2010 19:35

http://www.ndtv.com/video/live/channel/ndtv24x7

Burka Dutt with Musharraf currently on NDTV.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 10 Oct 2010 20:06

Modeling Pakistan’s flooding

To help Pakistani authorities cope, a new Dept of Homeland Security Science and Technology Directorate computer model is being used by hydraulic engineers at the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) – Engineer Research and Development Center (ERDC) Coastal and Hydraulics Laboratory (CHL) and forwarded to their counterparts in Pakistan. Under S&T’s Infrastructure and Geophysical Division the new computer model simulates the flooding, estimates the total drawdown of the floodwaters, and predicts how long it will take the waters to recede. DSS-WISE (Decision Support System – Water Infrastructure Security) incorporates and integrates thousands of data points – from historical, geographical, economical, and satellite info – and paints a current picture and prediction scenario to help with Pakistan’s disaster efforts.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Oct 2010 21:37

Someone is awake. Copied to my blog:
http://observingliberalpakistan.blogspo ... -khan.html

...once religion is used for a more secular, temporal purpose of fighting a war to gain a political end, it ceases to be a religion and instead becomes another political argument, which by definition and intent, is a secular idea.

Islam, in this struggle, as being defined by those who wish to leverage it for their own political ends, is not a religious thought any more, but is an expression of a more cheapened commodity; political power. If Islam/religion wish to pursue the endeavors of political power in the secular world, then it opens itself for what the Germans refered to as “gegenangriff” – counter-attack.

.....Islam and religion, in Pakistan, are just another political idea, party, manifestation and doctrine and if Islam and religion in Pakistan wish to wield political power and enter the political arena; they should, and must, be judged by the standards of the arena they have entered of their own free will without anyone having forced them to do so, and which exists in the present world and not in the Hereafter.

....if Islam and the idea of religion wants to be a political force, then it it must be judged by the standards of accountibility that exist for politics in the secular world and not the by the standards of the Hereafter.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 10 Oct 2010 22:14

India trounces Pak 7-4 in hockey at CWG

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 10 Oct 2010 22:24

Pakistan is simply an illegitimate organization occupying land in J&K, which needs to be kicked out. They have absolutely no locus standi on Kashmir. The UN Resolutions talk about a different Pakistan, that doesn't exist any more and if it does then Bangladesh is the successor state.

Brilliant.

archan · Post by **archan** » 10 Oct 2010 22:38

sanjaykumar wrote:Pakistan is simply an illegitimate organization occupying land in J&K, which needs to be kicked out. They have absolutely no locus standi on Kashmir. The UN Resolutions talk about a different Pakistan, that doesn't exist any more and if it does then Bangladesh is the successor state.

Brilliant.

+1

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 10 Oct 2010 22:38

Questions
When Mush-a-rogue said LeT are freedom fighters and have bollywood following in Pak.Is he not hinting at another attack on India while simultaneously justifying mumbai massacre? Are we nuts not to arrest this piece of dung? Why is that women smirking when he is justifying murder

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 10 Oct 2010 23:31

Altair wrote:Questions
When Mush-a-rogue said LeT are freedom fighters and have bollywood following in Pak.Is he not hinting at another attack on India while simultaneously justifying mumbai massacre? Are we nuts not to arrest this piece of dung? Why is that women smirking when he is justifying murder

Disgusting isn't it.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 11 Oct 2010 00:13

abhishek_sharma wrote:
jamwal wrote: At worst, only the WKK brigade in India will try to follow up, nobody else will waste any time and resources
Unfortunately not. If I remember correctly, the Govt of India had said that we should build on what was discussed during Musharraf's time. Pakis rejected it by saying that they couldn't find any records of the discussions in their foreign office. In a strange way, Pakis are doing what is good.

they are just establishing a negotiating position. They will keep rejecting the musharaf formula until they accept it grudgingly, to India's great relief and gratitude. That will be the gateway point for paki flag over lal qila as per paki strategy.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 11 Oct 2010 03:31

She is clueless on Pakistan. I think Greta was toying with her.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-re ... t_id=86925

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 11 Oct 2010 03:40

Bugti puts Rs 1bn on Pervez head

Islamabad, Oct. 10: The son of Baloch nationalist leader Nawab Akbar Bugti, who was killed during Mr Pervez Musharraf’s regime, has offered a bounty of Rs 1 billion and 1,000 acres of land to any person who beheads the former military ruler.

Mr Talal Bugti, president of the Jamhoori Watan party, whose father Nawaz Akbar Bugti was killed on the orders of Mr Musharraf in an operation, said the former military ruler deserves to be beheaded.

“I give the status of wajib-ul-qatl (fit to be killed) to Musharraf. He ended a democratic government elected with a large mandate in 1999 and he deserves the death sentence according to Article 6 (of the Constitution which relates to high treason). Therefore, he is wajib-ul-qatl,” said Bugti.

From Time Of India: Bugti's son offers Rs 1 billion bounty for Mushrraf's head

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 11 Oct 2010 04:11

Karan Dixit wrote:She is clueless on Pakistan. I think Greta was toying with her.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-re ... t_id=86925

Just happened to watch that part about Mush, and yes, She is clueless (may be not about Pakistan onlee.. (Af-Pak is middle east ..Mush was greatest ..seem not to know difference between Iran and India ..etc..) ..and journalist should not give her a free pass....Sad thing is many will...or will go equal equal ..("xyz is equally clueless too..").

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 11 Oct 2010 04:50

New Yorker review of Woodward's book.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2 ... _talk_coll