Bharat Rakshak

Shatack

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gripen has nothing cheap, Saab comercials drives minds to great illusions!

and netherland, norway, brasil etc.. rejected it not about politics, but performances

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Thats the way all over the globe, Rafale claim they are all french but in fact the aircraft contains thousands of parts that are designed and produced elsewhere, you just can´t get away from that fact in these times of internationalizing.... :rotfl: :rotfl: each sensitive parts of the rafale are fr...

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Thats all well and good..but all these contracts signed will be with GE right? So if the US congress imposes sanctions or prohibits transfer of technology by GE then what can GE do. It will be a similar state to what happened with the LCA consultancy the company wants to do business but the govt pr...

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That description fits the Gripen perfectly, I couldn't describe the Gripen system better myself. This was exactly the same demands the SwAF had when they requested it. You could almost think that he works for SAAB for saying that! exept that Indian has maybe other geopolitical ambitions than gettin...

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The French Dassault Rafale, the European Consortium Eurofighter Typhoon and the American Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet are all twin-engined fighters in the 25-30 ton class. All of them are reportedly very expensive, with reported prices ranging from Euro 48 million for the Rafale to Euro 88 million fo...

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Dassault-UAE may team up on Rafale bid http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2010/05/12/Dassault-UAE-may-team-up-on-Rafale-bid/UPI-52571273671422/ If the whole world think that Rafale is overpriced, then I wonder why UAE wants to invest in the Rafale? May be for ToT!! Also, The F4 mode...

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.... Shatack I would be grateful if you can provide the cost of Rafale per plane with following: 1. Upgraded M88 with 60KN drythurst.[I guess buyer has to pay royality to UAE as they are funding the upgradation] 2. RBE2 AESA [Please let me know what %age of TOT French would be willing to impart and...

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Any clue on the combat radius of the Gripen NG, if I recall correctly it was 800 Km for Gripen D. A few numbers; Combat radius: 1,300 Km + 30 minutes on station with A2A weapons. Range (one-way): 2,500 Km on internal fuel Ferry range (one-way): 4,075 Km with external fuel Combat Radius estimate: 1,...

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Henrik wrote:Yeah, sure, doing stuff that can be done with a Super Tucano...

at least a super tucano can do what a "paper" fantasy gripen can't!

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[ Well little french fanboy, there is a reason why the brits have the saying "never trust the french" :lol: never argue with faboyos, they drags you down to thier level and beat you with experience, as about trust, nato still watch the afghan airspace to see gripens or typhoon in other pl...

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^^From the time I had started reading BR 3 years ago till the last year Rafale used to be the favourite of most here. Suddenly it went out of radar. I remember I was upset at the high cost of M2k upgrade and said some nasty things about Rafale. But don't know what happened to others, why have they ...

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Read this very interesting post on DACT.. cautioning about keeping things in proper perspective http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1521142&postcount=609 Rules of engagement are the same for everyone in air combat, kill the Foe, red , blue, yellow, this blah blah is a peice of sore lo...

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You just said it yourself! Same interview ! Just because you have it printed in different magazines doesn't make it more true. :rotfl: :rotfl: Yes , of course datas from a highly respectable ranked active air force Pilot is nothing against a swedish fanboyo troll spewing saab comercials throught th...

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Henrik.. what you say is correct.. but you gotta admit that frenchie stuff is very good/ top notch ( maybe not cost effective for a importer). plus the article also admits to the fact that the opposing pilots were rookies, whereas the French pilots were old horses. The Rafale is good yes, but I fai...

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Asking a french pilot about his plane is like asking the Pope to describe Catholisism, if the story about Adam and Eve is true and compare it to other religions. To ask the National Gun Association if everybode should be allowed to carry a gun, or ask a frenchman what he thinks about his National A...

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Henrik wrote:Yeah, quoting a nationalistic article from a french magazine is credible.. or not.

DSI, AFM or aviationweek nationalistic?

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Rafale features (simply amazing and best of it's class): ----------------------------------------------------------------- Crew: 1–2 Length: 15.27 m (50.1 ft) Wingspan: 10.80 m (35.4 ft) Height: 5.34 m (17.5 ft) Wing area: 45.7 m² (492 ft²) Empty weight: 9,500 kg (C), 9,770 kg (B),[66] 10,196 kg (M...

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"The JSF is the only candidate that fulfils all the operational requirements specified by the Norwegian government, and is offered at a lower price than the Gripen NG," the nation’s defence ministry announced on 20 November. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/11/20/319140/updated-no...

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Henrik wrote:Sry, I guess I should stop feeding the troll. Though I must say that the arrogance sometimes shown is deafening.

"silence is the perfectest herald of joy"

W.S

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I think you need to learn how to crawl before you can walk. :roll: :rotfl: :rotfl: "The authors write that the cost for South Africa’s deal with several European countries to buy military equipment is around SEK 42 billion (about 4.2 billion euro). Half of that sum is spent on JAS 39 Gripen. T...

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It's still like your're giving away the ToT for free if you only charge the actual cost to manufacture the plane + a small profit. And that's where "program cost" comes into picture, because that's what the French taxpayers payed.. And since we know that the Rafale is freaking expensive t...

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I think you're mixing € and $.. In the french Senate budget for year 2009 the "fly-away" cost for one Rafale C is $82.3 million (http://www.senat.fr/rap/a08-102-5/a08-102-516.html#toc236).. x 36 = ~$3 billion. That does not include ToT, support and maintenance to 2030. I really don't see ...

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There's just no way that France will sell their Rafale with full ToT, maintenance etc. for $5.73 billion. The last discounted price, $6.2 billion - just for the planes alone, created quite a stirr in wich french gov. and Dassault had trouble agreeing on who would pay the discount. The price might, ...

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India is looking for full TOT, 10 billions budget would be only to get fly away version! to get full tot from either challengers you'll need to put twice! And what makes you believe that twice the money would guarantee full TOT?? fly away cost is about 10-12billions, for 126 fighters, equiped? 25 b...

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as about Gripen Ng, norway and netherland released evaluations, and cost fly/hours is over 10.000$.. The Norwegian calculations of the Gripen were way off. Their calculations predicted something like that half of all the aircraft were going to crash and I think they took the cost / flight hour from...

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ther's not oportunity with MRCA for anyone, even indians themselves, with this budget! This statement of yours makes absolutely no sense to me my friend.. no sens? India is looking for full TOT, 10 billions budget would be only to get fly away version! to get full tot from either challengers you'll...

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As, DID reports.. Boeing has also decided to revise its bid .. So far- LM, Boeing have announced that they would revise their bids & SAAB has declared that it would leave its bid unchanged, with no response just yet from others... Also, From the MMRCA bid due date of April 28/08 to April 28/10,...

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cost per flight hour F-16 around $6000 EF around 14000 euros Rafale: $16,000 F/A-18E: $10,000 Gripen: $4,500 Rafale is very expensive to operate , gripen NG the lowest in single engined fighters and SH in the twin engined fighters. such hilarious! 4.500$ a hour? this can't even pay the gaz! :rotfl:

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I can uderstand your poor knowledges if you are sourcing on fan boys blogs! wild speculations from senior air force debreif mindef room reported into Air Force Monthly? :rotfl: Bollocks! Most of this originated from a French journos blog. Tanguy or something I think, who said it came from a French ...

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IMO, Rafale is out! EF is a maybe because its predominantly A2A. Unproven A2G - But perhaps too hard to rule out. F-16old and out. Not sure about Gripen - similar to LCA. F-18 - US strings attached. Mig29k - I dont think the Ruskies believe they will win either. We want to diversify from Russkies a...

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The same 'well informed medias'(also known as blogs) asaid the Rafale had an at-par kill ratio against the F-22. And then it turned out, the F-22s didn't even deign to paint the Rafales with their radars, resorting instead to easy passive kills. All these supposed claims are gospel, if you're a Raf...

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That explains why the Rafale lost in the Singapore competition. I suppose Dassault told the Singaporeans to buzz off when the radar's range was enquired about. And your 15 wins claim is simply hot air so far. First it was 2012, now its its 2014. I suppose it'll be 2016 in your next post. Anyways, T...

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Range is where the RBE2 is outdone and the article on the Singapore competition said as much. And this relates to the RBE2 AA as well - the small size of the Rafale's nose is a big limitation on the aggregate power radiated by the radar. well, i see now where's from your sources, fanboyos journalis...

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Were you there at the exercises? And yes its pretty well known that the RBE2 is outperformed by the Captor and Bars. such funny, :rotfl: sorry! any electronic beaming doppler will be quicker and superior to any mecha radar, at any range! Captor isa RDY2 generation one, everyone has the right to dre...

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^^ Operating AESA does not necessarily make a country way ahead. Although, I am not saying other countries are good or in anyway better than US in AESA. Just a simple example, Apple was 0 in mobile phone market a few years back, while Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, Errikson etc were making phones for mo...

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Really? Are you seriously saying that SAAB, who has been in the fighter business for the last 70 years, can't design or redesign a plane? You just shot yourself in the foot there mate. You don't know much about the Gripen do you? There is not much more strengthening needed for a "Sea Gripen&qu...

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You've managed to miss the point altogether. Your claim that Thales makes the best radars because it has the most employees isn't borne out by the performance of the radar that's currently in service with the AdA . Unless this radar was developed by a different Thales? GaN AESAs are nowhere near pr...

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Saab will have to change most of the cellule structure to acheive this, "Compared to the Gripen D, the Gripen NG's max takeoff weight has increased from 14,000 to 16,000 kg (30,900–35,300 lb) with an increase in empty weight of 200 kg (440 lb). Due to relocated main landing gear, the internal ...

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Cad/Dam is nice to design, but production process is another matter! everyone can draw a plane on a computer screen, my lil nefew do that! why saab would launch another complet process production on a new plane when even the swedish mindef doen't buy the plane? will any contries buys a plane that do...

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