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by Davidrock
14 Oct 2020 08:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

There could be some skirmishes, started by Communist goons(PLA)just before winter taken into consideration like US polls, Congress staged disturbances in India etc. Even if that does not happen and winter went peacefully, then China will sure try many things through out next summer. So there is no ...
by Davidrock
12 Oct 2020 11:21
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 2412
Views: 401494

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

I think we do hold Black Top, but not the regular IA but SFF. Its held by Tibetians and not India in a way. I know its a play on words, but I think its possibly due to not wantng to give out whole truth. It could be a bargaining chip for Chinese to go back to Apr 2020 positions. Yes, Chinese occupi...
by Davidrock
22 Sep 2020 07:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 2412
Views: 401494

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

^ so true, its so hard to get stuff that is not made in china. There is talent in India and cheap labour to manufacture at a lower price, but bribing and corruption is a big show stopper. This is one thing we cant match them in near future. They have advanced a lot in manufacturing and ease of busin...
by Davidrock
21 Sep 2020 12:45
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Views: 401494

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Its a climb of 4500 feet from the flat grounds there, which are at 14000 feet. But this area is more about dry winds and there is not much snow - correct me if wrong ! So best would be to build good trails that are easy to trek. The good thing is we have supplies till the base of the hill so only 3-...
by Davidrock
15 Sep 2020 07:32
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Views: 401494

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Sid wrote:8 month old video, but judging by troop level and vehicle movement this was serious even back then.



Thanks for this video. Really good one. The GPS as per the video is
3740957
1101433

Can someone with GPS knowhow translate this to something we can find in google maps ?
by Davidrock
12 Sep 2020 16:19
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 2412
Views: 401494

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

As per latest satellite images, the CA is setting up camps close to our positions ... This seems like nonsense. All this effort is nullified if we give them the opportunity to attack us from few 100 meters, if they decide to go kinetic first. But if we decide to go kinetic first, then its good. Thei...
by Davidrock
10 Sep 2020 13:28
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Views: 401494

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

^ Agree, QPQ at a small level should be done in many places to make them do what we want them to do.
But many sources got it wrong, which is not good sign.
by Davidrock
10 Sep 2020 13:15
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
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Views: 401494

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

As per tweet from Nathan Ruser, IA is not in BT and HT.
So except Nithin, everybody else got it wrong.
Still it was a good operation, but one false info takes the toll on info domain.
by Davidrock
10 Sep 2020 07:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 2412
Views: 401494

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Even though IA is at advantage position at the chusul sector, I am not certain if the conditions are favorable to undertake a limited operation, because we may be at disadvantage at DBO sector, where they are deep in. But if at all there is an action, we should not wait for them to start. I think so...
by Davidrock
09 Sep 2020 14:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 2412
Views: 401494

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

New satellite image showing clear advantage to IA from Rezang La - We are in a place where we can see down.
CA is not far off, but they cant look down at our side.

https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/13 ... 49/photo/1
by Davidrock
09 Sep 2020 08:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 2412
Views: 401494

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

With Nithin and Abhijit (based on satellite imagery) confirming that BT and HT are not with us. Can someone shed some light on this please. BT and HT are controlled by Indian Army/ITBP. Abhijit et al probably cannot confirm their own rear ends are with them, forget BT and HT. Can't shed light where...
by Davidrock
09 Sep 2020 06:21
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 2412
Views: 401494

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Guys, with satellite imagery shared by Nathan Ruser, it seems PLA has some posts on the west of Black Top and Helmet Top. Considering this, I doubt that we will be occupying the above two posts on their east. With Nithin and Abhijit (based on satellite imagery) confirming that BT and HT are not with...
by Davidrock
02 Sep 2020 06:43
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 967245

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Nithin and Shiv are the two most reliable defence reporters.
One of them says Black top not with IA, other says the opposite.

Would be nice if we can have a confirmation. But I will tend to believe Shiv, as he was the only person who reported that some IA troops were captured after Galwan.
by Davidrock
01 Sep 2020 08:28
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 967245

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Btw, IFFFF India has occupied the Black Top then it HAS crossed the LAC at that point by about 1.5 km and IFFFF it has captured the Chinese camp at the top of the pass next door then it is ~ 3 km across the LAC. Well, we the Indian perception of LAC is far beyond. But yes, we have surely captured u...
by Davidrock
26 Jun 2020 12:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

A landslide did occur that fateful night and led to some PLA casualties.. It was preceded by an "explosion" which Indian forces are attributing to a cloud-burst. Oh ... and I forgot to add. It was reported that the Indian side went into the Chinese side for a round 3 and the landslide occ...
by Davidrock
25 Jun 2020 10:24
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Rahul ShivShankar on TimesNow has a very good explanation of all the new pink structures on the Chinese side. Most are hospital tents. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PBvL1zssiA Lt. Gen. Syed Ata Hasnain clearly states that IA uses pink colored medium arctic tents. Nathan Ruser’s image classificat...
by Davidrock
25 Jun 2020 06:09
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Pangong Tso: The area between F4 and F8 is difficult to patrol (grey zone), since we need to sqeeze through a narrow road in cliff at finger 4. Galwan: About 100m area in PLA control (undisputed area). This is where their aggression has crossed red line, as they are well into our undisputed area. Ag...
by Davidrock
24 Jun 2020 18:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

I made another observation, the LAC is just 1 km away from DS-DBO road, at the point near Qizil Langar. If there is one strategic location they are in a good position to attack, its DBO runway. But I am sure IA is ready for the game. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Daulat+Beg+Oldi+Rd,+194401/@35.2...
by Davidrock
24 Jun 2020 18:19
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Views: 967245

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Well since now some land is taken in Pangong Tso, and specially 100m in Galwan, after PM said that 1 inch will not be given, I seriously think its a matter of time before India strikes. It can happen anytime is my opinion, because PM has built a tough image, he cannot afford to lose it. What land i...
by Davidrock
24 Jun 2020 18:14
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 967245

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/1275744890790359040 Chinese troops back at Galwan's flashpoint, India mobilises & has the heights. Disengagement focused on pulling back from another escalation here. I bring you a full, no-nosense report + Ex-Army chief Gen Deepak Kapoor joins me live. Tune...
by Davidrock
24 Jun 2020 18:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 967245

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Well since now some land is taken in Pangong Tso, and specially 100m in Galwan, after PM said that 1 inch will not be given, I seriously think its a matter of time before India strikes.

It can happen anytime is my opinion, because PM has built a tough image, he cannot afford to lose it.
by Davidrock
24 Jun 2020 17:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

India is nowhere close to even thinking about being a superpower. Honestly - all the govt wants is to be left alone to develop the country I think. Thank you, yes. There are so many fundamentals to be fixed and the damage of the UPA years is not yet undone. It does not make sense to blame UPA still...
by Davidrock
24 Jun 2020 13:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

The debris that PLA put in PP14 after the 15 June clash, was "probably" for raising the level of the area to a higher level for building their positions there. When they released water, they would have calibrated how high the water flows and planned accordingly. Abhijit incorrectly guessed...
by Davidrock
24 Jun 2020 12:33
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

The sad thing is, almost all the journalists are politically sided.
As time passes, we realize that journalists from both sides have been partially right and partially wrong so far, but they have tried to cover up.

Well, that is one of the disadvantage of having a democratic setup.
by Davidrock
24 Jun 2020 10:43
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

From the tweet of detresfa, it appears that PLA has constructed some defensive positions at the site of clash, on our side of LAC. https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/1275650269758570496/photo/1 All this while Abhijit tells a story about surgical strike to dismantle rock dam, 650m across their side...
by Davidrock
24 Jun 2020 05:52
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 967245

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Instead of ideas like taking over PoK or Tibet, we need to have a simple objective. Decimation of adversary forces on West(Pak/Pak+Chini) or the Eastern(Chini) front, before they cause major damage to our country. Destruction of their fighting capability is the foremost requirement. There is no cap...
by Davidrock
23 Jun 2020 17:16
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

I was listening to Radio (in Australia) and the news is all over here in detail. It told that the talks were not successful and diplomats may have to take over. They clearly mentioned that it was a medieval fight with nail studded clubs etc. On thing was not so interesting that it also said that the...
by Davidrock
23 Jun 2020 17:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

RaviB wrote:A new video of a confrontation. Indian soldiers seem to have built a fixed a long defensive stone wall like structure.

https://t.me/ischinar/786


This is a very old video
by Davidrock
20 Jun 2020 18:37
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

To me, the most damning map is the one below. These are from Nathan Ruser's tweets. He claims that there are over 250 structures and most were built since May! If so, this is a Kargil-level intel failure. Apparently, we have not been patrolling upto our LAC claim line for some years now. But that b...
by Davidrock
20 Jun 2020 12:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Is the news about Depsang true ?!

This is real bad news. Prob it’s time to escalate now. We should not let them build there.
by Davidrock
20 Jun 2020 03:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

khan wrote:I think GOI should play the long game. First take out Pakistan, build infrastructure, then go **** the Chinese. 2-3 years, it can happen before this election.


We can never completely decimate Pakistan. We have to manoeuvre politically by using US, to keep them out of action while we fight China.
by Davidrock
20 Jun 2020 02:44
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Please stop being keyboard warriors . Those suggesting changing QPQ at other sites seem to ignore China can do same and so can China and Pakistan BOTH . This is not a marvel movie and There are no avengers . First element of mounting attack is acheiving surprise . Sitting eye ball to eye ball we do...
by Davidrock
20 Jun 2020 01:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Finger 4-8 was effectively gone during Kargil when the Chinese built that road. That’s the hard reality. The reason Indian troops couldn’t fight back was because the Chinese had a road from which they could truck in soldiers by the 100’s, while Indian troops had to walk past that narrow cliff path....
by Davidrock
20 Jun 2020 01:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

khan wrote:Finger 4-8 was effectively gone during Kargil when the Chinese built that road.


we patrolled till Apr 2020. Now we can’t, this is a loss.
by Davidrock
20 Jun 2020 01:52
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Even Lt Gen Atta Hasnain had agreed that if they don’t withdraw before winter then we may have to take action
by Davidrock
20 Jun 2020 01:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Very disappointed with PMs speech.

We have happily conceded the land that our men died fighting in 1962 between finger 4-8.

If no fight, atleast we should have grabbed similar grey zone somewhere else in LAC.

Clear failure of both military and govt. this will haunt us
by Davidrock
19 Jun 2020 10:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

williams wrote:I am just sick of this argument that we let them not lose face. What about us losing face? We are ok with that. I just hope people in the MEA and DM does not think that way. We have been losing face for a long time now. Our boys are beaten to death. Is that not losing face?


Exactly
by Davidrock
19 Jun 2020 09:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

The chicoms have made us play their game, amass in numbers and so possible to overpower and capture where there is a brawl.

When time comes, and we escalate, it will prove costly for them. In a firefight, they will lose many many more than us.
by Davidrock
19 Jun 2020 08:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

If the map is showing finger 8 is beyond Sirjap, then we are either in control of Sirjap or have surrounded it. I support the scenario/explanation as presented by fanne ji. -------------------------- So the Chines FM was correct in saying that "ghar mein ghus ke mare" and asking EAM to te...

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