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by Deans
27 Feb 2021 18:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

I believe we are missing a couple of points in understanding why the ceasefire happened. If Pak detected the slightest weakness in our position, (against them or China) they would not have agreed to a ceasefire. They have done so despite what must have been a lot of Chinese pressure to keep the LOC ...
by Deans
25 Feb 2021 19:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

A question for all the gurus. In the far north, where the borders with Pakistan are equally hazy, can we not do to the Pakistanis what the Chinese were doing to us all these years? Grab parts of the land and keep pushing them back? Since we claim all of PoJK, can we incrementally take parts of PoJK...
by Deans
25 Feb 2021 19:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Maybe the inevitability of even half of the 90K troops being disengaged from Chinese border just pivoting towards Pok. India did not thin out any forces on Paki border to beat down the dragon - so whatever gets pivoted from LAC to LoC will be the anvil that will drive deep into PoK. Also - for GOI ...
by Deans
25 Feb 2021 18:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

There is a context as to why I see the ceasefire from Pak as being very significant. I track militancy related numbers in Kashmir. When article 370 was abrogated, it was widely expected, even from optimistic nationalists like me, that Militancy and unrest will go up in the short term. If 370 was to ...
by Deans
25 Feb 2021 16:43
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/armies-of-india-pakistan-agree-to-ceasefire-along-loc-from-feb-24-midnight-101614239032092.html Pak has chickened out after big blother pulled back. I think its a significant development as Pak has realised that China cannot intimidate us and China has real...
by Deans
25 Feb 2021 15:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/armies-of-india-pakistan-agree-to-ceasefire-along-loc-from-feb-24-midnight-101614239032092.html Pak has chickened out after big blother pulled back. I think its a significant development as Pak has realised that China cannot intimidate us and China has real...
by Deans
23 Feb 2021 22:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Remember this timing. It is the lunar new year. China went back post haste to send conscripts back home? Needs to be considered as they came in after the new year last year and went back on the dot of new year this year. China essentially shuts down for one week at this new year time. There would b...
by Deans
22 Feb 2021 11:52
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

I have two tweets on the situation so far. https://twitter.com/ramana_brf/status/1363705393919053824?s=19 https://twitter.com/ramana_brf/status/1363707883725103107?s=19 Please comment. I agree Ramana ji. We often believe that since China's economy is 5 times ours, we cant confront them. A different...
by Deans
18 Feb 2021 23:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Please listen again and again. This general fought in Kargil as battalion commander. Deployed as Brigadier, Maj General, Corps commander and now Northern Command. Just to add, he was the Commanding officer of Capt. Vikram Batra (13 JAK Rifles) and himself won a Vir Chakra for leading from the front...
by Deans
12 Feb 2021 11:18
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Now, there are many location where the ordinate is 1.0. So need to think like a Beijing leader to locate where the attack will bring maximum returns. If you integrate all the locations it turns out to be Ladakh. Because Leh is the prize. It's Ladakh's center of history. There are reasons why after ...
by Deans
11 Feb 2021 22:07
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Pakistani Economic Stress Watch
Replies: 4448
Views: 894374

Re: Pakistani Economic Stress Watch

What can China do if a BRI country simply refuses to pay ? Unlike the US, they don't have the means to do regime change. Any country defaulting will have a domino effect with the dictator/strongman in neighboring countries also refusing to pay up. Non payment would also greatly improve the popularit...
by Deans
03 Jan 2021 19:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread
Replies: 8874
Views: 1038921

Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

vijayk wrote:
new game in the town


He'll probably fly to the US with extended family and get vaccinated there.
by Deans
03 Jan 2021 17:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Hari Nair, Manjugu, Philip, jamwal, rohitvats, chola, Deans, What did 2020 reveal to each of you about the Chinese you did not know earlier? I always thought the Chinese were playing the long game (keep a low profile till you're ready to beat the US). Xi was more impatient than I believed (which is...
by Deans
01 Jan 2021 11:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

I have argued this before that the string of pearls can be considered a noose, if we are in we will loose only mode but it can also be thought of as a plate of gulab jamun . It is less escalatory than hitting Chengdu and yet all of them are nice juicy and vulnerable targets and destroying them will...
by Deans
31 Dec 2020 16:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

The question (as an uninformed arm chair warrior) is - why should we always play defense? I did not hear the good ACM's speech but there is enough quality firepower (with IA, IAF and IN) which if used with an appropriate strategic vision and tactics, could be lethal for the enemy. Should India stri...
by Deans
30 Dec 2020 10:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Gurus please comment on my thoughts. LAC is some 8-900 km away from any large Chinese city and 3-4000 km away from the main centres. Compared to India, which as 2 advantages. 1 being the landscape which is simpler to defend ? and 2 the LAC is closer to Indian population/troop centers (once the tunn...
by Deans
29 Dec 2020 18:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Pakistan Order Of Battle (ORBAT)
Replies: 21
Views: 3173

Re: Pakistan Order Of Battle (ORBAT)

Regarding point 4, only reference I've found is in some Paki forums where some fanbois claim this and I don't trust them too much. I suppose this could be partially verified by matching numbers of APCs or IFVs they've inducted, but this is beyond my expertise. They are manufacturing copy of America...
by Deans
29 Dec 2020 14:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

"Having resorted to military methods to settle issues, all that China has gained is sinking a fishing boat and gaining a few square km of barren territory. In Eastern Ladakh it is in a military stalemate with India. Loss of the Kailash Range to India opens vulnerabilities which were non-existe...
by Deans
29 Dec 2020 10:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Pakistan Order Of Battle (ORBAT)
Replies: 21
Views: 3173

Re: Pakistan Order Of Battle (ORBAT)

Different sources give the number of brigades under the FCNA as either 4 or 5 (at the time or the Kargil war it had 3 brigades). It possible that NLI formations which were integrated into the regular army after Kargil make up the additional brigade/s. FCNA has no artillery brigade of its own- unlike...
by Deans
28 Dec 2020 22:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Pakistan Order Of Battle (ORBAT)
Replies: 21
Views: 3173

Re: Pakistan Order Of Battle (ORBAT)

Jamwal ji, A great job ! A couple of points from my earlier research (things may have changed in the last 2 years, though unlikely) 1. 11th Armored brigade is an independent brigade and not part of 6th Armored division. 2. Its unlikely that XXX corps has an independent anti tank brigade. My understa...
by Deans
28 Dec 2020 21:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: China Order of Battle (ORBAT)
Replies: 22
Views: 3353

Re: China Order of Battle (ORBAT)

Ramana ji is saying "Good job!!! Are you sure the divisions were regrouped in Western Theater Command? I believe 4 divisions still retained." They are 4, 6, 8, and 11 Divisions. Interesting that despite reorganizing they retained division formations facing India. Rohit Vats agrees with hi...
by Deans
13 Dec 2020 19:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)
Replies: 5527
Views: 1093932

Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Most people have no idea how many of our babus get into sticky honey while vacaying in Singapore, HK or Bangkok.... :roll: Yes... the modus operandi is set the honey trap outside India in the middle east and ASEAN It starts with Facebook. There are a surprising number of men who believe that a very...
by Deans
08 Dec 2020 14:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
Replies: 2515
Views: 474304

Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

my reading is people coming from rural/smaller towns tend to have more conservative values/ more sanskari !!! anyway a matter of debate. I see a difference, but its not to do with liquor. I know YO's whose fathers were JCO's and in some cases they are the only person in their village to have become...
by Deans
06 Dec 2020 15:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

You know, what's really funny ? We have the Chinese claiming all sorts of technical advances and weaponry to use against India. However, I don't think I've noticed this in their propaganda - the bravery of their solders, the fighting spirit, the advanced tactics. Look at our press releases or what ...
by Deans
05 Dec 2020 10:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
Replies: 2515
Views: 474304

Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Let me add that this inherited mindset disappeared progressively with each war fought by the army of Independent India Yes. You put it better than I would have in describing the Imperial mindset and its change over time. IA pre independence, was sheltered from the civilian population and encouraged...
by Deans
05 Dec 2020 00:43
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
Replies: 2515
Views: 474304

Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Deans..its true what u write about German Staff offr. but plans only go so far and evaporate with the first contact with enemy. Anyway, the plans have to be executed in the field by senior commanders who were also well trained and adapted well to changing situation. the germans fought on till the e...
by Deans
04 Dec 2020 11:56
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
Replies: 2515
Views: 474304

Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

A couple of thoughts about risk averseness when it comes to CI: The loss of a IA soldier impacts the unit a lot more than the death of a militant (true of all professional armies). That is a factor when the cost vs benefit of an operation are evaluated. In the Red army of WW2, the loss of a soldier ...
by Deans
04 Dec 2020 10:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
Replies: 2515
Views: 474304

Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

1) thank you for the correction. .steeped. the reasoning as explained to me by someone long ago is that British army was reluctant to take casualties and material losses being a smaller nation( low population) / horrendous casualties during WW1 and previous wars and other societal reasons and was t...
by Deans
03 Dec 2020 16:47
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
Replies: 2515
Views: 474304

Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Seeped in British Army traditions, IA is a risk averse army. It would be instructive to see the list of PVC awardees and the citations.. almost always in a defensive battle/situation. There are no Mansteins / Guderians here. ( this is the institutional culture aspect). not read much abt tank ops in...
by Deans
03 Dec 2020 11:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
Replies: 2515
Views: 474304

Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

To add to what Sachin posted: We have traditionally been risk averse, at the strategy / top leadership level. That was not a bad thing, when we had nothing to fall back on if the risk did not work out. Our armored division advancing into the Sakargarh bulge in both 65 & 71, was risk averse. In C...
by Deans
02 Dec 2020 13:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
Replies: 2515
Views: 474304

Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Yes. Every professional army adapts to fight new threats, as we are doing. The US army for e.g. has only been involved in COIN for the last 20 years (after Iraq invasion 2.0) and all their formations have adapted to it. A point to remember is that the officers and JCOs with combat experience we hav...
by Deans
02 Dec 2020 09:32
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion
Replies: 2515
Views: 474304

Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Army's role is to defend and fight all threats. With terrorism being our constant war, it does not make sense to keep the army away from it. There are arguments to the contrary, with warfare evolving, you need the army to evolve to meet those needs. We have a million man professional army and there...
by Deans
01 Dec 2020 23:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Chinese soldiers are being given oxygen daily and spending nights in pressure chambers just for survival. Even then, 1-2 die daily. General acclimatisation begins with 7-10 days at 2500-3000 meters, then they go higher gradually or can be sent directly to places near 4500 m high. Almost any soldier...
by Deans
01 Dec 2020 22:55
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

[ Deans saar, my principal concern is that if and when push comes to shove, iran may not weigh in on our side, thus negating any advantages we may be wishfully perceiving in chabahar port, UN sanction to the contrary notwithstanding. they seem to have cleverly used our impatience to access central ...
by Deans
28 Nov 2020 09:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

The IWT has held. because we, as the country where the rivers flow from, has never bothered to review it. Secondly, we are not getting what we are entitled to, because of our inefficiency (resulting in leakage of water from Punjab, shortages of water and power and J&K, unilaterally halting the ...
by Deans
26 Nov 2020 19:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

I would like to understand the pros and cons of revoking MFN to China. China might challenge the revocation, but there is apparently a "war-time or other emergency in international relations” provision for this. India used it last year against Pak (which never reciprocated in the first place)....
by Deans
26 Nov 2020 19:03
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

1. Do what we are allowed to under Indus water treaty. Help Afghanistan negotiate a similar treaty with Pak, to reduce water flowing into Pak. The IWT has held because of India's military capability that has helped to buttress the sharp focus that India has maintained on the dam building and water ...
by Deans
25 Nov 2020 15:17
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

Its good to make plans that are possible and doable. When India has problems managing our own people, why do you think we should step in to manage the mess that is Pakistan? Let the Pakistani elite who created the mess in the first place own the mess! Our rather limited goal (for now) should be to ...
by Deans
16 Nov 2020 12:15
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

To me, the finger area/north pangong tso appears strategically useless, while the Kailash ranges are very defensible. Either there should be a wholesale deescalation across the entire border or none at all. Exchanging finger area for Kailash range positions is a win for PLA. This should not happen....
by Deans
16 Nov 2020 10:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2
Replies: 3523
Views: 720169

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

China had shown in 1962 what a well trained and we'll supplied army backed by political will can do even without an advantage in economic heft. Pakistan with a GDP less than Mumbai has given too much pain to a country the size of India. Best Time to crush it was yesterday and the next best is now. ...

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