RajeshA wrote: Why did China give Pakistan nuclear weapons? How come North Korea has nukes?
They are failed states and they wanted the nukes. Vietnam is not and they can do well without escalating tension with China by a factor of 10 and make themselves a nuclear target. Pakistan had the nuke, because India went nuclear. Just because you want someone to do your dirty work doesn't mean they will. Pakistan was the willing partner in this dance we play. I don't see Vietnam becoming India's Pakistan.
RajeshA wrote:China is the world's biggest nuclear proliferator!
The only way to make bully countries like China see reason is to make China see the danger from proliferation first hand, and that two can play the game.
As far as glowing is concerned, if any nuke ever falls on India, Han China too will share in the pain.
Yea yea Rajesh-ji. We've done this before. Let's not get all jingo here and derail the thread.
Please answer my question. Has nuclear weapons solved any of India's problems? Would having nuclear weapons allow Vietnam to gain any real concessions from China? If that's the case, why hasn't China stationed nuclear IRBMs in central america?
Tony your points are fair enough. I disapprove of people taking an action just because somebody else is taking an action. India should not do something just because China is doing it. China maybe doing it or might have done it for its interest, which may not serve India’s interest.
People on BRF have advocated Vietnam going nuclear and India helping it in this endeavor. This may be due to what China did with Pakistan w.r.t nukes. i.e. some people might feel the urge to get even. The fact that Vietnam’s nukes will not remain pointed only at China is lost to many in BRF. Further other countries, excluding China, might feel threatened by Vietnam going nuclear and might hold India responsible.
This logic is fair enough and I agree with you. This talk of India helping Vietnam going nuclear is not a well thought through decision.
But there is a flip side to this. The lust which China has for other peoples lands. Nukes have not helped India to reclaim its territories lost to China but they give us two things
1) They prevent China from taking any more land. In 1980s an incident happened along the MacMohan Line in which a Chinese military official threatened massed Indian troops with nuclear weapons unless they retreated. Currently no such threat can be made. In 1980s we did not have the means to drop our nukes over any Chinese territories. Hence our nukes were in effect a paper tiger.
2) In the future when China is no longer as strong as it is currently, our nuclear weapons will enable us to reclaim those lands which we have lost and most probably help us to reestablish a free independent Tibet and possibly East Turkestan too. By this we will eliminate forever the presence of Han Chinese on Himalayas. You see China has never remained a strong nation, it has its peaks and fall. Further by the end of next decade, china will no longer be able to field the largest army in the world. And its ability to do so will degrade significantly post 2025. And if you think that numbers don’t matter, please have a word with Douglas MacArthur and Hitler. That is when India’s nukes will come into play. It is a function of time, and it is on our side. Nukes will enable us to get what we want, one way or another.
This is as far as India and China go.
Now let us revisit the China and Vietnam equation again. While I have advocated that India should not help Vietnam going nuclear, that does not mean that there is not a 3rd option.
If Vietnam were to go nuclear, which it will, if China continues down the path it has gone, then India need not oppose such an eventuality. What India needs to do is let it be known that India will not take part in any attempt to throttle Vietnam’s ability either militarily or economically. The balance of terror will hold in the south china sea too just as it held against WARSAW and NATO pact countries. If China knows that its future oil platforms, based on south china sea, can be nuked then it will behave properly.
This applies not only to Vietnam but also to other countries like Mongolia, where a pan-mongolism is rearing its head, and Taiwan. We need not be concerned about Japan, because it already has the ability to make a nuke and has the technology to do so. I am waiting for China to invade Taiwan or occupy it. When this happens, it will drive Japan to go nuclear.