Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Asha

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby RajeshA » 28 Jan 2013 17:34

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Deterring the Jihadis (Cont.)

Warning: Don't read if you are faint hearted.

The Jihadis represent a particular class of threat, and even though threat analyses are constantly being undertaken by our security apparatus, and vulnerabilities such as VIP security, infrastructural, communal flare-ups, mass transport, weapons of mass destruction, religious places, etc. are being looked at we are overlooking the psychological vulnerabilities which are the main target of Jihadis.

Secondly our counter-measures are geared more towards a defensive posture, or are more aligned with regular counter-terrorism, counter-insurgency, counter-guerrilla warfare. Our security forces are of course doing a very able job here.

We are however particularly weak in counter-psy war and counter-propaganda. We are allowing Jihadi propaganda to go unchecked. This would have been the job of our government. They have however taken no measures to put a stop to Jihadism propaganda in Pakistan. In fact they have pleaded helplessness in the past as well as having no ideas on this score.

It would seem GoI has abdicated its responsibility completely on this score. GoI does neither effective counter propaganda nor has it accomplished anything through diplomatic means in this regard. The terrorists who attacked Mumbai on 26/11/08 roam free in Pakistan. The Pakistani Army personnel who come over on the Indian side of LoC behead Indian jawans, but Pakistan does not even own up to their guilt.

So basically Indian Government has nothing to offer in the form of counter-propaganda nor are they capable of any psy-war. Indian Government has taken no steps to create a deterrent for Jihadis in Pakistan to attack India.

So the Indian security forces would have to create a psychological deterrent of their own for the Jihadis. The Jihadis need to be terrified to even think of attacking an Indian. So here is a blueprint for that.

A) Once we know which Jihadi has attacked India, we have to ensure that sooner or later, the rest of his family in Pakistan, including parents, wife/wives, children (regardless of age), brothers and sisters and their spouses and children, all shall be killed through our operatives in Pakistan. No mercy can be shown in this regard.

B ) There needs to be a Standard Operating Procedure on how to deal with imprisoned or killed Jihadis. After interrogation, the imprisoned too need to be reclassified as dead. The body of the dead Jihadi should be administered a very special treatment:

  1. The Jihadi, dead or alive, should be first stripped naked.
  2. All clothes and possessions, except those stating his identity, are to be incinerated.
  3. First the head would be severed from the rest of the body.
  4. The spinal cord would be removed completely from the body.
  5. The spinal cord would be then immersed in acid and dissolved.
  6. The solution would be diluted with water and disposed along with human feces.
  7. Then the blood in the body should be drained and collected in a vessel.
  8. The body is to be cremated in an electric cremator.
  9. The dry bone fragment remains are to be pulverized in a cremulator.
  10. The 'ash' or cremated remains are to be disposed of without ever divulging the knowledge as to where and how.
  11. There should be a blood test done on the drained blood.
  12. If the blood is okay, it should be mixed with wine, and be offered to the the group who hunted down the Jihadi for drinking.
  13. If the blood is not okay, it should be given to the pigs for drinking.
  14. The head has to be immersed in a tub of porcine urine for 24 hours.
  15. In the mouth of the head, two cut-off testicles of a pig should be placed.
  16. Then the head should be put on a stake.
  17. The stake should be put along the fence on the LoC. The head should look West.
  18. A sign should be put up before the head, stating the name of the Jihadi, as understood from his documentation.
  19. A photo of the cut-off head on a spike should be published online.
  20. The head should be left there to rot.

One must take precautions not to cause pain and trauma to the Jihadi as that would be against the Geneva Convention, "human" rights and general sensibilities, though it is not always possible to stop overly eager boys from doing so.

C) In a minority of cases, when the above is not done, another recourse is to spread the rumor in the neighborhood of the Jihadi, that he turned himself over to the Indian forces, and divulged important intelligence against the Jihadi network in Pakistan.

If the Jihadis wish to be treated differently, as PoWs with rights, then their commander, the Pakistani Chief of Army Staff, would have to first officially declare war on India. Until this is the case, they should be treated as suggested.

There is no reason to hate the Jihadis. We should be above hate. They do their work. We should do our work.

Disclaimer: I do not mean to hurt the feelings of Muslims. Terrorists have no religion.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Prem » 28 Jan 2013 23:05

One more thing, while the whole above procedure is being carried out ,other Jihadis to be provided the luxury of watching their colleague getting the beauty treatment.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby member_22872 » 28 Jan 2013 23:16

We are however particularly weak in counter-psy war and counter-propaganda. We are allowing Jihadi propaganda to go unchecked. This would have been the job of our government. They have however taken no measures to put a stop to Jihadism propaganda in Pakistan. In fact they have pleaded helplessness in the past as well as having no ideas on this score.


Rajesh ji,
I was thinking, I could be wrong as I am weak in history. But India was never good at propaganda. When is the last time Bharat last used propaganda to undermine it's enemy or their capability? is it something to do with the dharmic fabric itself? I ask because the west and even Islamic societies have used taqqiya and lies effectively many times to win wars over their enemies. May be this is something we as a dharmic nation are programmed to not do? please also consider how evangelicals, and Islamists spread the word of God, this is not very different from political propaganda.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby member_22872 » 28 Jan 2013 23:23

Okay, I am answering my own question above, during Mahabharata war Krishna uses Aswathama Hatha...kunjaraha! effectively...so may be propaganda is a lost art now.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby ramana » 28 Jan 2013 23:28

Lets not have who will bell the cat type of solutions when the real issues are much simpler.

X-Posting for the sake of completeness.

Solve the Hurrirats and we solve the problem.

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ramana wrote:Also note the beheading of Indian soldiers was to stiffen the Hurrirats spine for they looked like ready to throw the towel during their visit to pakisatan.


you hit the nail on the head, now watch out for the head going on show in various madrassah's...

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby pentaiah » 28 Jan 2013 23:33

ultimate inbreeding of the societe elite of media , babu, jernails, and netas. The whole of TSP problem createros are with in us.
people are taken for a ride.

Rahul baba, ya priyanka didi wil never become PM, why be held responsible when power with out acountability is flooding the swiss acounts?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby member_22872 » 28 Jan 2013 23:38

pentaiah garu, control?, they have lineage to honor, gadhi must return to them as family treasure. When control is in place, accountability can be controlled too.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby RajeshA » 29 Jan 2013 00:52

Jhujar wrote:One more thing, while the whole above procedure is being carried out ,other Jihadis to be provided the luxury of watching their colleague getting the beauty treatment.

or even providing assistance with preparations, cleaning, etc..

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Prem » 29 Jan 2013 01:08

RajeshA wrote:
Jhujar wrote:One more thing, while the whole above procedure is being carried out ,other Jihadis to be provided the luxury of watching their colleague getting the beauty treatment.

or even providing assistance with preparations, cleaning, etc..


Alhamdolillah! Lord is merciful.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby devesh » 29 Jan 2013 08:17

RajeshA ji,

you forget that Hindus as "liberal" and "peaceful" onlee, no? you forget that "ahimsah paramo dharmah" is the #1 rule of Hindus.
there are many among us who think killing animals which we eat is a "crime". surely, a human should never be put through such treatment!!
for that matter, the IA should be disbanded. supporting evidence: Gandhi said something similar.

if you made the above suggestion in any other thread, many, many BRF'ites would pounce on you as an "adharmik", and a whole host of other adjectives.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby vishvak » 29 Jan 2013 14:57

"ahimsah paramo dharmah" etc is for sajjan who understand this. People talking of dharma yudhdha against pakis are giving excuses to pakis, and related legitimacy however little & negatively. Dharma yudhdha is for people who are dharmic, and in kaliyuga there is no point of dharma yudhdhaa amongst dharmic to spend energy and strength on when no holds barred war is norm.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby RajeshA » 29 Jan 2013 15:31

X-Posting from "Managing Pakistan's failure" Thread

I have very often read and heard, that among the more educated and determined ones, there is an awareness that it all has to happen properly, that the head should be severed in a proper way - perhaps it is simply for recognition later on, or perhaps it has to do with eschatological reasons.

There are however multiple deterrence reasons for my advocating this:
a) Eschatological reasons - there are some grey areas! If there are protests, then one knows one is pressing on the right soft spot.

b) Lessons - there are repercussions to Jihad, and Jihadis must know what to expect. Many would get cold feet, for they too are humans.

c) Balance of Terror - A higher claim to brutality is something one should never concede to the opponent. Of course we should never indulge in arbitrary brutality for then we demean ourselves, but for those who have marked themselves as our enemies and use similar means, we need to outdo them. If not timely countered, fear can bring down the best of civilizations. Conceded that some enlightened souls would have raised themselves above fear regardless of any outcomes, but the common man is a normal human and responds to his environment, and the common man cannot concede ground because his rakshaks have not balanced the terror. He should know the other side fears one just as much.

A Jihadi first and foremost desires to strike terror in the heart of his enemies. That is the reason for his extreme brutality. Only a bigger counter-terror can convince him that his strategy would fail. If he goes forward with any terrorist act, the other side would only take it as an opportunity to do some Jihadi-hunting!

Fear creeps through one's consciousness and grows without one even being really conscious of this development until time comes when he is asked to concede, to appease, to bow, to cower. But then it is too late. This fear should not be allowed to grow! And balance of terror is necessary.

d) It doesn't even matter if this deterrence does not work. It gives us, the victims, the feeling that we are not getting cowered and that we are responding.

Generally speaking I think we should be more civilized than the other 'civilized ones', but we should also be more 'brutal' than the other 'brutal ones'.

Many regimes, many people know/knew in history the merits of terror, but in Islamism they have taken it up with an enduring non-reformable religiously-derived passion. The Jihadis, even ordinary Muslim bullies, are well aware of how fear works in others, and so they push the boundaries all the time. Whereas others can get reformed, this is incurable in this ideology, at least incurable with the normal humane tools of persuasion. So whether there is geographical, demographic expansion of Islam or not, every day the 'civilized' concedes some psy-space to the Jihadi, to fear.

We cannot allow the Jihadi a monopoly over this tool of persuasion - over terror. Because if we allow that, then it is only a matter of time before the gates of civilization are broken open.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby RajeshA » 29 Jan 2013 16:16

devesh wrote:RajeshA ji,

you forget that Hindus as "liberal" and "peaceful" onlee, no? you forget that "ahimsah paramo dharmah" is the #1 rule of Hindus.
there are many among us who think killing animals which we eat is a "crime". surely, a human should never be put through such treatment!!
for that matter, the IA should be disbanded. supporting evidence: Gandhi said something similar.

if you made the above suggestion in any other thread, many, many BRF'ites would pounce on you as an "adharmik", and a whole host of other adjectives.


devesh ji,

those Hindus who believe in "ahimsah paramo dharmah" have accepted that their minds are already hardwired to think like goats and incapable of understanding the world of wolves and hyenas, except the meek acknowledgement that their nature is their nature and it is to be expected.

Too easily people take things as given - we are like this and they are like that, because of some inexplicable genetic or ideological DNA, which as such is okay, but they don't take the necessary next steps:
a) why does the other act in that way?
b) how would the other's behavior affect me?
c) if it affects me negatively, does my behavior encourage his behavior?
d) how can I change my behavior to force him to change his behavior?

What I am talking about is not of one act of beheading, one act of terrorism, one act of showing entitlement, etc. I am talking about who dominates the psychological space, which is an ongoing war. And we cannot let the Jihadi sit himself on the throne of our minds and rule over our fears.

It is our duty to flog him to smithereens should he try to as much as look at that throne! We are free only as long as the throne of our minds, our free-will, is free of fear and belongs to us and us alone.

We fear because we think that the Jihadi's love for his faith is stronger than anything we can come up with. Suicide bombings, the Fidayeen cult, the uncompromising attitude to their echandee, their aggressive claims to entitlements, their sticking out for each other vs the Kufr, all contribute to this manipulation of our thoughts. And we have heard, that he who has stronger faith ultimately wins.

The latter is a truth, but our impression of our relative strength of faith comes not from our good judgment but from what our "secularism" brand of education and media have been telling us and we have been thinking that this is the voice of our own heads, our own people. It is not!

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby kenop » 30 Jan 2013 00:09

As if only the LeT/JeM alone are trained to behead. I am sure any average uniformed jihadi would be equally effective.
Trying to deflect the heat there (using ISI as if they are different from PA).

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby member_22872 » 30 Jan 2013 00:33

so if it is LeT/ISI/TSPA who did this, a fortnight's planning means what ramana garu(?) said earlier about the motive seems to be cohesive. This is to boost the sagging morale of Hurriyat. So LeT and Hurriyat always worked together or this is a new development?

That Swami should hang his head low for planting news, shame on him.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Lalmohan » 30 Jan 2013 01:24

let is the executive arm of the isi in kashmir, they are there to provide the muscle for hurrirats that their street cannot deliver

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Prem » 30 Jan 2013 02:33

venug wrote:That Swami should hang his head low for planting news, shame on him.


Courstesy Hindu , he is having good time in Islooland, enjoying Paki hispitality.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby negi » 30 Jan 2013 02:47

I don't know who is a bigger sinner MMS or Anwar Khan.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby SSridhar » 30 Jan 2013 07:08

Praveen Swami & The Hindu at it again.

Locked in UN files, 15 years of bloodletting at LoC - Praveen Swami, The Hindu
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In classified protests to a United Nations watchdog that have never been disclosed till now, Pakistan has accused Indian soldiers of involvement in the torture and decapitation of at least 12 Pakistani soldiers in cross-Line of Control raids since 1998, as well as the massacre of 29 civilians.

The allegations, laid out in confidential Pakistani complaints to the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP), suggest that Indian and Pakistani troops stationed on the Line of Control remain locked in a pattern of murderous violence, despite the ceasefire both armies entered into in November 2003. Earlier this month, bilateral relations were severely damaged after a series of LoC skirmishes, which culminated in the beheading and mutilation of two Indian soldiers Lance-Naik Hemraj Singh and Lance-Naik Sudhakar Singh.

The Ministry of Defence did not respond to an e-mail from The Hindu , seeking comment on the alleged decapitation of Pakistani civilians and troops reported to UNMOGIP. However, a military spokesperson said the issue had “not been raised by Pakistan in communications between the two Directors-General of Military Operations.”

The Ministry of External Affairs also said the UNMOGIP complaints had not been raised in diplomatic exchanges between the two countries.

“Ever since 9/11,” a senior Pakistan army officer told The Hindu , “we have sought to downplay these incidents, aware that a public backlash [could] push us into a situation we cannot afford on the LoC, given that much of our army is now committed to our western borders. Each of these incidents has been protested by us on both military and UNMOGIP channels.” {How & where did The Hindu gain access to the senior Pakistani army officer' ? Besides that, does TSPA expect us to believe that it would downplay such serious incidents when the whole world knows that it is itching to accuse India for everything, even India retaliation to Pakistani provocation ? What does past Pakistani behaviour suggest to Praveen Swami & The Hindu ? That, it is an angel ? And, what does past and present Indian behaviour suggest to Praveen Swami & The Hindu ? That, we are terrorists and aggressors ? Praveen Swami seems to write these article with an agenda}

UNMOGIP, set up after the India-Pakistan war of 1947-1948 to monitor ceasefire violations, does not conduct criminal investigations, or assign responsibility for incidents. The reports of its ceasefire monitors are sent to the organisation’s headquarters in New York, and forwarded to the Ministry of Defence in New Delhi.

Ever since 1972, India has responded to UNMOGIP queries with a standard-form letter, saying it believes the organisation has lost its relevance following the demarcation of the LoC. Earlier this month, India argued in the United Nations that the organisation ought to be wound-up.

Massacre for massacre

The most savage cross-LoC violence Indian forces are alleged to have participated in was the killing of 22 civilians at the village of Bandala, in the Chhamb sector, on the night of November 26-27, 1998. The bodies of two civilians, according to Pakistan’s complaint to UNMOGIP, were decapitated; the eyes of several others were allegedly gouged out by the attackers. The Pakistani military claimed to have recovered an Indian-made watch from the scene of the carnage, along with a hand-written note which asked, “How does your own blood feel”?

First reported by The Hindu’ s sister publication Frontline in its June 19, 1998 issue, the Bandala massacre is alleged to have been carried out by irregulars backed by Indian special forces in retaliation for the massacre of 29 Hindu villagers at Prankote, in Jammu and Kashmir, by the Lashkar-e-Taiba. The LeT attackers slit the throats of their victims, who included women and children.

No Indian investigation of the Bandala killings has ever been carried out. However, an officer serving in the Northern Command at the time said the massacre was “intended to signal that communal massacres by jihadists, who were after all trained and equipped by Pakistan’s military, were a red line that could not be crossed with impunity.” {If true, Bravo. That is how India should react. What does Praveen Swami find fault with this ? Why isn't he emphasizing the original action that necessitated the reaction ?}

The Lashkar, however, continued to target Hindu villagers in the Jammu region; 10 were killed at Deesa and Surankote just days later, on May 6, 1998. In 2001, 108 people were gunned down in 11 communal massacres, and 83 people were killed in five incidents in 2002 — a grim toll that only died out after the 2003 ceasefire.

Brutal retaliation

Even though the large-scale killings of civilians did not take place again, Pakistan continued to report cross-border attacks, involving mutilations, to UNMOGIP.

Six months after the Kargil war, on the night of January 21-22, 2000, seven Pakistani soldiers were alleged to have been captured in a raid on a post in the Nadala enclave, across the Neelam River. The seven soldiers, wounded in fire, were allegedly tied up and dragged across a ravine running across the LoC. The bodies were returned, according to Pakistan’s complaint, bearing signs of brutal torture.

“Pakistan chose to underplay the Nadala incident,” a senior Pakistani military officer involved with its Military Operations Directorate told The Hindu , “as General Pervez Musharraf had only recently staged his coup, and did not want a public outcry that would spark a crisis with India.”

Indian military sources told The Hindu that the raid, conducted by a special forces unit, was intended to avenge the killing of Captain Saurabh Kalia, and five soldiers — sepoys Bhanwar Lal Bagaria, Arjun Ram, Bhika Ram, Moola Ram and Naresh Singh — of the 4 Jat Regiment. The patrol had been captured on May 15, 1999, in the Kaksar sector of Kargil. Post mortem revealed that the men’s bodies had been burned with cigarette-ends and their genitals mutilated. {That was why Pakistan decided to underplay the incident. They knew they would be up the creek without a paddle if they played it up. Now, they are playing angels and Praveen Swami & The Hindu paint the original perpetrators of the crime as victims ?}

Less detail is available on the retaliatory cycles involved in incidents that have taken place since the ceasefire went into place along the LoC in 2003 — but Pakistan’s complaints to UNMOGIP suggest that there has been steady, but largely unreported, cross-border violence involving beheadings and mutilations. {Why aren't they unreported ? TSPA is lying plainly}

Indian troops, Pakistan alleged, killed a JCO, or junior commissioned officer, and three soldiers in a raid on a post in the Baroh sector, near Bhimber Gali in Poonch, on September 18, 2003. The raiders, it told UNMOGIP, decapitated one soldier and carried his head off as a trophy.

Near-identical incidents have taken place on at least two occasions since 2008, when hostilities on the LoC began to escalate again. Indian troops, Pakistan’s complaints record, beheaded a soldier and carried his head across on June 19, 2008, in the Bhattal sector in Poonch. Four Pakistani soldiers, UNMOGIP was told, died in the raid.

The killings came soon after a June 5, 2008 attack on the Kranti border observation post near Salhotri village in Poonch, which claimed the life of 2-8 Gurkha Regiment soldier Jawashwar Chhame.

Finally, on August 30, 2011, Pakistan complained that three soldiers, including a JCO, were beheaded in an Indian raid on a post in the Sharda sector, across the Neelam river valley in Kel. The Hindu had first reported the incident based on testimony from Indian military sources, who said two Pakistani soldiers had been beheaded following the decapitation of two Indian soldiers near Karnah. The raid on the Indian forward position, a highly placed military source said, was carried out by Pakistani special forces, who used rafts to penetrate India’s defences along the LoC. {Indian Army is not dhimmi. They will retaliate and inflict the same punishment on TSPA. Praveen Swami & others with an agenda cannot expect the IA to be dhimmis. If that happens, India's security will be in danger}

Fragile ceasefire

Part of the reason why the November 2003 ceasefire failed to end such savagery, government sources in both India and Pakistan told The Hindu, is the absence of an agreed mechanism to regulate conflicts along the LoC. Though both sides have occasional brigade-level flag meetings, and local post commanders exchange communications, disputes are rarely reported to higher authorities until tensions reach boiling point. Foreign offices in both countries, diplomats admitted, are almost never briefed on crises brewing on the LoC.

In October last year, highly placed military sources said, Pakistan’s Director-General of Military Operations complained about Indian construction work around Charunda, in Uri. His Indian counterpart, Lieutenant-General Vinod Bhatia, however, responded that India’s works were purely intended to prevent illegal border crossings. The unresolved dispute led to exchanges of fire, which eventually escalated into shelling and the killings of soldiers on both sides.

The November 2003 ceasefire, Indian diplomatic sources say, was based on an unwritten “agreement,” which in essence stipulated that neither side would reinforce its fortifications along the LoC — a measure first agreed to after the 1971 war. In 2006, the two sides exchanged drafts for a formal agreement. Since then, the sources said, negotiations have stalled over differing ideas on what kind of construction is permissible. “In essence,” a senior government official said, “we accept that there should be no new construction, but want to be allowed to expand counter-infiltration measures and expand existing infrastructure.”
{If there were no infiltarion, there is no need for IA to make these constructions. Praveen Swami et al cannot draw moral equivalence here}

India insists that it needs to expand counter-infiltration infrastructure because of escalating operations by jihadist groups across the LoC. Pakistan argues that India’s own figures show a sharp decline in operations by jihadists in Jammu and Kashmir. Last year, according to the Indian government, 72 terrorists, 24 civilians and 15 security personnel, including police, were killed in terrorist violence in the State — lower, in total, than the 521 murders recorded in Delhi alone. In 2011, the figures were, respectively, 100, 40 and 33; in 2010, 232, 164 and 69.

“You can’t say that you need more border defences to fight off jihadists when you yourself say there is less and less jihadist violence,” a Pakistani military official said. “The only reason there are less jihadists,” an Indian military officer responded, “is because we’ve enhanced our defences.”

Indian and Pakistani diplomats last met on December 27 to discuss the draft agreement, but could make no headway.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Sri » 30 Jan 2013 07:25

^^^ how does he seems to have so many contacts in UN / PA?

anyways a equal equal self goal onlee

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Philip » 30 Jan 2013 08:16

The traitors in the "track-2" brigade have easy access to Paki propaganda or obvious reasons.The vested interests of the Quislings in the "piss in our time" propagators,need to score quickly before the UPA-2 is dumped into the dustbin. Quisling-in-chief,the mendicant,desperately needs his ig-Noble.The window of opportunity for Pak to grasp at the table what they have been unable to do on the battlefield is also closing fast.Therefore,the abundance of pieces in our media-planted by Pak,about tit-for-tat killings,as if the latest outrages by its military was not Pak's fault alone!

The UPA-2 have realised that unless they get the Muslim vote en-masse,they are going to get dumped in style at the next hustings.Hence the deliberate creation of tension on the border with inevitable consequences and the branding of the BJP and the so-called "saffron" crowd as warmongers.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby sum » 30 Jan 2013 08:21

^^ One look at the new farticle and it is clear as daylight that P.Sawmi and GoI are working in tandem here and there seems to be some effort to make TSP look good with lots of ==. Maybe a MMS deal is cooking in the background.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby SSridhar » 30 Jan 2013 09:04

sum wrote:^^ One look at the new farticle and it is clear as daylight that P.Sawmi and GoI are working in tandem here and there seems to be some effort to make TSP look good with lots of ==. Maybe a MMS deal is cooking in the background.

sum, they can make TSP/TSPA look like angels without having to spite our noses. These attempts are downright anti-national, as they appear to me. And, that is saying the least.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby hnair » 30 Jan 2013 11:11

That 1998 "incident" against paki villagers was a joint Paki-Khan propaganda during the peak of Clinton's paki love. I remember it was prominently published in a Times magazine article at that time and sounded so freaking fake, like a Chuck Norris filmi script of a Soviet baddie in action. Infact I remember thinking this makes the pakis look so less like the mards they want to believe they are and that it has to have been "forcefully approved" by the more devious SD of khan.

Ever since 1972, India has responded to UNMOGIP queries with a standard-form letter, saying it believes the organisation has lost its relevance following the demarcation of the LoC. Earlier this month, India argued in the United Nations that the organisation ought to be wound-up.


:rotfl: Basically India is saying "Go f**ck yourself" to the UNMOGIP dudes. Imagine the guys from UNMOGIP going to Indian authorities and a paan-chewing chaparasi takes one look at them, and tears away some yellowing standard-form letter from a booklet of more such form letters, while going back to leering at a Filmfare centerspread.....

Sum, you need to stop doing this hair-trigger rho-dho for every goddamn article, over the years! Praveen Swami sucks up to all sides and is a cad, but that doesnt mean this article is not funny in a certain sense. It is a total riot and shows the pakis as the whiny bitches they are. Geez! whatever happened to the "jihad-fi-falafel" of theirs, when kaffir did jatka on their foreheads?

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Sushupti » 30 Jan 2013 12:17

'Terrorist who mutilated Indian soldier was rewarded Rs 5 lakh'

January 8 - A bloody strike across the Line of Control. Two Indian soldiers are killed, one of them beheaded. Pakistan denied any role in the brutal attack but Intelligence reports accessed by CNN-IBN on Tuesday suggested otherwise.
The reports claimed that the operation was led by a serving ISI subedar, Jabbar Khan, of a unit based in Tattapani in Pakistan occupied Kashmir. Others in the team were 15 members of the Lashkar and the Jaish-e-Mohammad. The beheading was carried out by the Lashkar's Anwar Khan, for which he was rewarded Rs five lakh.
The attack was meticulously planned over a fortnight. The ambush party was stationed at Barmoch border outpost in PoK. This is directly across the Atma Post held by the Rajputana Rifles. The Lashkar team monitored the movement and deployment of the Indian Army personnel. A day after the attack, the ambush party was spotted at Tattapani in PoK.

incidentally, Anwar Khan was also involved in the beheading of an Indian Army captain in 1996 in the Krishna Ghati area.
Reports say in the last two weeks, senior brigadier level ISI officers have held meetings with terrorist commanders. Local guides familiar with the area are being drafted to facilitate infiltration and other movement by terrorist groups across the LoC near Poonch. Pakistani Army units too have been asked to recruit local villagers living near the LoC to act as guides.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/loc-killings ... 601-3.html

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Aditya_V » 30 Jan 2013 12:41

Do not this go against what the same TV's Bhupendra Chowdry's ,its an Isolated incident which should concern us tweet?

And the level the Hindu has stupped to is unbelievable, they have become TSPA mouthpiece.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Sushupti » 30 Jan 2013 13:13

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Aditya_V » 30 Jan 2013 13:24

Even B raman unable to Digest what the Hindu is doing??

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby kenop » 30 Jan 2013 17:08

^^
I'd wait for a day or two to see if he retracts.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby SSridhar » 30 Jan 2013 17:25

No, he won't. There seems to be a method in their madness.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby pentaiah » 30 Jan 2013 20:37

BR productions is change the course as wind is filling the sail....
the man who jumped first and subscribed to Hindu terrorism ....can smell a ISI rat give me a break.....
all this as a pro and have nothing to show except SL debacle....

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby ramana » 30 Jan 2013 21:19

pentiah, Shouldn't kick old warthogs where it hurts.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby ramana » 31 Jan 2013 02:29

SS, i have decided not to read "The Hindu" anymore.
Its no longer the nationalist paper the founder created.


Three generations of my family (from grandpas on both sides) have been loyal subscribers and readers.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Prem » 31 Jan 2013 02:36

pentaiah wrote:BR productions is change the course as wind is filling the sail....
the man who jumped first and subscribed to Hindu terrorism ....can smell a ISI rat give me a break.....
all this as a pro and have nothing to show except SL debacle....


The point to ponder is they are not even thinking about punishing the ISI pushers inside India.
How can he claim that he can smell ISI rats when there are so many breeding right inside the nose of
these mavericks and no one seem to clean these Maleens,

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby pentaiah » 31 Jan 2013 02:45

My family used fight to get first hand on Hindu News paper, especially to read GK Reddy columns, even while being close to IG , GK Reddy used aair his opposition if principles were compromised.
Then there was the Wing Cmdr Maharaj K Chopra columns (was it IE?) then there was MV Kamat as washinton correspondent later moved to TOI and Illustrated weekly . What a fall under Hey Ram? the scum.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby ramana » 31 Jan 2013 03:55

Maharaj K Chopra was in Ind Exp. I used to have a collection of his columns till late 70s.

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Sushupti » 31 Jan 2013 05:00

Army intelligence discovers the Pakistan bounty hunters

At a time when efforts are on to diffuse the recent escalation of tension between neighbours India and Pakistan in the aftermath of the barbaric killing of two Indian soldiers, there comes the chilling revelation of Pakistan Army's sinister design to carry out more such attacks.
A note based on ground intelligence in the aftermath of the January 8 killing and subsequent beheading of one jawan shows that the Pakistan Army has been making lucrative offers to mercenaries, who are being called "local guides", to launch an offensive against the Indian Army.
According to the intelligence input, the Pakistan Army has been offering as much as Rs 5 lakh in cash reward to these mercenaries to carry out the beheading of Indian soldiers.

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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/in ... z2JVPzt1wP

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Sushupti » 31 Jan 2013 05:13

Mumbai varsity prof lifts anti-India propagandist material off Pak defence website, peddles it as his own work in book

Mumbai varsity course text has material from Pakistani defence site

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 263978.cms

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Re: Beheading of Indian Soldiers in Aug 2011 and Aman ki Ash

Postby Sushupti » 31 Jan 2013 05:37

Bharat Rakshak ‏@bharatrakshak
Indian Army denies torturing, decapitating Pakistanis http://bit.ly/WS0wNg


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