Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

Postby shiv » 19 Jul 2014 20:10

The following links are background material on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:

Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/EBOOKS/pfs.pdf

Whither Pakistan ? Growing Instability and Implications for India: an IDSA e-Book, July 2010
http://idsa.in/book/WhitherPakistan

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... yanan.html

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://www.sdpi.org/publications/public ... 6-34.html#

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

A modest proposal from the Brigadier:

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2002/03/landesman.htm

"We should fire at them and take out a few of their cities—Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta," he said. "They should fire back and take Karachi and Lahore. Kill off a hundred or two hundred million people......."


Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part I
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html

Prof. Walter Russell Mead, "Pakistan's Failed National Strategy"
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... -strategy/

"Pakistan Is", by Barry Bearak in New York Times Magazine, December 7, 2003.
Brings out succinctly various facets of Pakistani perfidy, obsession, fundamentalism etc.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... nted=print

Religion as the Foundation of a Nation: The Making and Unmaking of Pakistan - P.K. Upadhyay, IDSA
It probes the religious and sectarian fault-lines in Pakistan in depth to determine their impact on the future of Pakistan.
http://idsa.in/system/files/monograph36.pdf

Ms. Christine Fair's exposition on Pakistan military, society et al. A Must see.
Fighting to the End: Pakistan Army's Way of War


PAKISTAN and GENOCIDE:

Image Scan of article on 1971 East Pakistan Genocide by Antony Mascarenhas, Former Asst. Editor, Morning News, Karachi in Sunday Times, London, June 13, 1971

Text scan of the above article on 1971 Genocide

Bangladesh Genocide Archive

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... idhar.html

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Laskar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/rese ... detail.asp

Lashkar-e-Taiba: Past Operations and Future Prospects, Stephen Tankel, April 2011
New America Foundation
http://newamerica.net/sites/newamerica. ... _LeT_0.pdf


Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part II
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

BEYOND MADRASAS: ASSESSING THE LINKS BETWEEN EDUCATION AND MILITANCY IN PAKISTAN
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... nthrop.pdf

Pakistani Military Officers' Links with Jihadist Organizations
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5587.htm

Putting Our Children in Line of Fire - The Nation, January 27, 2013
The above is an admission by Pakistan Army's Top General that it was the Pakistani Army at Kargil, not the mujahideen, and Musharraf was the Culprit

Debate between a Taliban Scholar and a Paki Army Officer

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

The Battle for Pakistan: Militancy and Conflict in Pakistan's Tribal Regions
http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/ ... r_pakistan

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)

MISCELLANEOUS

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto telling Bangladeshis to "Go to Hell": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related

IDSA's weekly summary of Pak Urdu Press:

http://www.idsa.in/pup


Christine Fair :Ten fictions that pakistani defense officials love to peddle

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Five installment series by Kapil Komireddi published in Frum Forum

Part I. Nov 16, 2009. “Pakistan In Crisis”.

Part II. Nov 18. 2009. “Pakistan: Origins of A Failed State”.

Part III. Nov 18, 2009. “Pakistan: It Could Not Succeed Unless India Failed”.

Part IV. Dec 06, 2009. “Pakistan: A Mecca for Radical Islam”.

Part V. Dec. 07, 2009. “Pakistan’s Army: Building a Nation for Jihad

A perceptive blog on Pakistan: http://pak-watch.blogspot.com/

Declassified documents from US National Archives on Pakistan:

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/pakistan.htm
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Admission of state sponsored terrorism by Pakistani authorities


see this Der Spigel Interview where Musharraf admits to that.

On 7th Nov in TimesNow Channel, Tasneem Noorani, a former Secretary of the Pakistani Interior Ministry, openly said that.

Kiyani called the Haqqanis as strategic assets.

In Dec. 2008, President Zardari himself admitted to ISI helping LeT. He said,"The links between the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency and the LeT were developed in the old days when dictators used to run the country. After the 9/11 terror attacks in the US, things have changed to a great extent"

In an address to bureaucrats in July 2009, President Zardari said: "Militants and extremists were deliberately created and nurtured as a policy to achieve some short-term tactical objectives. Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities. The terrorists of today were the heroes of yesteryears until 9/11 occurred and they began to haunt us as well"

In Nov. 2009, Prime Minister Gilani admitted to the support for terrorism by Musharraf as "running with the hares and hunting with the hounds".

When Bush warned the Pakistanis in August 2008 of their support to Al Qaeda, Afrasiab Khattak, President of Awami National Party (ANP) said this: "The question is why it has taken the Americans so long to see what the ISI is doing. We’ve been telling them for years but they wouldn’t buy it.". See here.

In an interview to the BBC as far back as on Feb. 13, 1994, Benazir Bhutto admitted how she handed over to Rajiv Gandhi the complete list of Sikh activists colluding with the ISI in terrorism in the Punjab. Later, Nawaz Sharif described this interview as a faux pas.

Apart from these, of course, numerous Pakistani commentators, analysts, and editors have openly admitted to terror as a state policy.

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Why Did Pakistan's Spy Chief Make a Secret Trip to China?
Quote:
Pasha's China trip has been interpreted by some as a tacit act of defiance—a reminder to his American counterparts that the Pakistanis can always look east to their “all-weather” friend across the Himalayas rather than bend the knee to the will of the U.S.

But it also may be a sign of China's growing disquiet with Pakistan. Another top-ranking Pakistani military officer, Lt. Gen Wahid Arshad, had already conducted a considerable tour of China just weeks ago in a bid to improve ties. A few analysts have suggested that Pasha's trip — couched in vague terms about building a “broad-based strategic dialogue” — may have been less a visit and more of a summons.


Quote:
Chinese officials claimed the attacks in Kashgar were authored by the shadowy East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a jihadist organization of mostly ethnic Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim minority that comprises the majority in the far-western Chinese region of Xinjiang. China routinely invokes the specter of the terrorist threat when cracking down on dissent in the restive region. Yet disturbances there tend to be triggered more often by social discontent — many Uighurs chafe at state policies they deem discriminatory and marginalizing — than militant connivance. Pasha's presence in Beijing may mark Beijing's continued efforts to root out Uighur dissidents and sympathizers beyond China's borders, as it has already done in Kazakhstan.

Youtube video: Bilatakalluf with Tahif Gora: Tarek Fateh dissects with Pakjabi society and shows how its war-impotent Army loots the common Pakistani (Jan 13, 2012)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Paul » 19 Jul 2014 20:42

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... vaidik/99/

WKKs like SV are concerned that the Vaidik episode will give Modi and others an opportunity to defame the Track II subterfuge and are looking to delink it with the WKK fiesta.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Dilbu » 19 Jul 2014 20:55

Dafaq is track 2? Random idiots from India like MSA going and having chai biskoot with Pakis? Modi better shut it down in that case.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby CRamS » 19 Jul 2014 21:20

PaulJi/DilbuJi, didn't realize the old thread met its 72. I posted on the same topic in the old thread:

viewtopic.php?p=1689798#p1689798

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Paul » 19 Jul 2014 22:08

He needs to first drain the swamp that feeds these mosquitos. He is already working on cutting the media down to size. If the industrialist class can be weaned away from the socialist cabal in the consensus that is built up by the congress that will take the funding away from this class.

The industrialist class has no dog in this Track II boondoggle except for a few like the Ambanis who wield oversized influence in the decesion making, they need to be leaned on to further isolate the culprits.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby shiv » 20 Jul 2014 10:20

News of operation zombi-e-zamzam
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 396668.cms
. Critics of the army action are now describing it as Pashtun genocide in the name of war on Taliban.

Unlike the Swat operation, which was planned well in advance and announced by then Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, the North Waziristan operation took place as a knee-jerk reaction to the militant assault on Karachi airport the 8th of June. Even Pakistan's civilian government was caught by surprise when the army unilaterally announced operation in North Waziristan on the evening of June 15. In the event, the wrath fell on poor tribesmen of the region who got virtually no time to leave their homes, leaving behind their little wealth and belongings.

"The government should have informed us before the operation as it did in South Waziristan and Swat. The treatment given to us is unparalleled in Pakistan's history.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby shiv » 20 Jul 2014 10:24

Memorial parade on the anniversary of the day when Pakistan was let out of India's rectum now in doubt
Army reluctant to march on D-Chowk over security concerns

Top guns in the federal government have put their heads together after the military leadership expressed its reservations over holding a parade at D-Chowk on Independence Day, putting the government’s plans of holding a ‘grand show of unity’ in jeopardy, Pakistan Today has learnt.
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A source in the PML-N government confided in Pakistan Today that the General Headquarters (GHQ) has conveyed to the government that the army is currently focused on the operation against terrorists in North Waziristan Agency and holding a parade at D-Chowk might be a serious security risk.

The source said that the military leadership’s reluctance to march on D-Chowk has left the government ‘high and dry’ and a two-pronged strategy is now being considered to convince the army leadership to participate in the event, and to thwart the PTI’s rally in the federal capital.


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby AbhiJ » 20 Jul 2014 10:51

Who is more greener Pakjabis or Pathans?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Prem » 20 Jul 2014 11:16

Lol-io Polio-stanic Harami Link
Team set to visit India for riverfront project study

LAHORE: On the direction of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, a four-member delegation is set to start a three-day official tour to India on Sunday (today) to visit Sabarmati Riverfront Development Project (SRDP).It is one of the major developmental initiatives Indian premier Narendra Modi had accomplished during his tenure as chief minister of Gujarat.Indian riverfront model ‘close to Nawaz’s heart’“Since the LDA has initiated work related to feasibility of the Ravi Riverfront Urban Development Project (RRUDP) under technical assistance of a foreign consultancy firm, the core objective of the delegation is to study the SRDP and replicate it (if viable) in Lahore,” says an official of the Punjab government.“The PM during various briefings on the RRUDP held from time to time at his residence at Jati Umrah (Raiwind) in Lahore asked the officials to visit India. At a very recent meeting, he (PM) again pushed the officials to go to India immediately and visit the SRDP in Ahmadabad and brief him on the project in next meeting,” the official said.“At Wagah-Attari border, officials of the Pakistan High Commission will receive the delegation at 10:30am on Sunday (today). They will reach Amritsar to get a direct flight for Delhi, where they will have a night stay.” He said that on July 21, the delegation would reach Ahmadabad where the officials of Muncipal Corporation would give it a briefing on the SRDP. Later, the delegation would visit the SRDP and hold meetings with the AMC officials. They would return to Delhi on July 22 and return home the next day.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Rony » 20 Jul 2014 11:34

AbhiJ wrote:Who is more greener Pakjabis or Pathans?



Pakjabis by a mile

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Postby Paul » 20 Jul 2014 11:56

Sorry..it is the Pakhtuns. Pakjabis are only trying to ape them.

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Postby SSridhar » 20 Jul 2014 12:36

India, Pakistan working overtime on pipeline project: Pakistan envoy - The Hindu
Pakistan has responded positively to the Indian proposal for gas and product pipelines to the country.

“I can assure you both sides are working overtime to hasten the process,” Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit said in a conversation with The Hindu on Friday. He stressed that Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif — a guest during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s inaugural — had stated his intention to import 500 megawatts of power from India.

Optimistic

The Pakistani diplomat was optimistic that one or two projects could materialise quickly. “We are working towards it… [the experts are] hammering out technical details… some private players are also interested in exporting energy to Pakistan,” he observed.

Official sources said the gas would be first imported to the LNG terminal at Dahej on the south-west coast of Gujarat.

From there, it will be transported along the existing pipeline network to Jalandhar, which would become the transit hub for Pakistan, connected by a new 103-km pipeline, which Gas Authority of India Limited (GAIL) plans to build.

Besides, the new products pipeline proposes to transport diesel and kerosene from the Bhatinda refinery in Punjab to Lahore.[/b]

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby partha » 20 Jul 2014 13:08

http://www.newindianexpress.com/prabhu_chawla/columns/Modi-Must-Find-Formula-to-Dismantle-Monstrous-Diplomatic-Machinery/2014/07/20/article2339021.ece

By Prabhu Chawla.


Instead of working towards a single mission, there has been a serious dissimilitude between Track I and Track II over the past decade. If the official line is to demolish terror camps working within Pakistan, Track II interlocutors have been espousing liberalising the visa regime and to give Pakistan free access to Indian market. PM Narendra Modi has been hinting at possible military intervention if terror attacks don’t stop, but India’s peacenik perambulators have been pleading for restraint so that they can grab more airmiles to Lahore for red carpet welcomes followed by biryani and bootleg Scotch. In fact, the new government is now examining the number of visits made by members of various think tanks to Pakistan and other countries, as well as their presentations. The idea is to ascertain whether these self-appointed ambassadors have taken a stand at variance with official policy. An analysis reveals that at none of the conferences or seminars in Pakistan did any of the Indian participants raise the issue of closing down terror camps. Strangely, many of these talking heads have much in common—conflict resolution, peace initiatives, terror and unknown sources of funding. The NDA government has started the process of identifying their financing patterns and ensuring that government funds are not being diverted through devious methods. They acquire legitimacy because Indian missions are obliged to organise receptions in their honour and even facilitate meetings with kindred souls in Pakistan. What has baffled senior ministers is that even after the change of regime in New Delhi, none of these interlocutors make it a point to brief the government before or after their visits, unlike their Pakistani counterparts.


Good that GoI has finally woken up.

Another revelation is that the number of these think tanks rose during UPA regime. Though it was Brijesh Mishra, a former diplomat and Principal Secretary to Atal Bihari Vajpayee— one of the most powerful ever—who encouraged Track II, the UPA under Manmohan Singh patronised legions of the intransigent interlocutors. Most were promoted by former diplomats and military officials, since serving officers who worked under them make it a point to oblige their former bosses by creating opportunities to indulge in non-stage diplomacy. This has dangerous implications. These retired diplomats get informal access to sensitive information from their colleagues in the government. There are many examples of individuals working as go-betweens for decades after their retirement—even after governments changed. The Track II establishment is so powerful that it can influence any government to follow its advice and ignore views of its ministers. Surprisingly, the composition of Track II phalanx defies any logic. It consists of individuals from all parties who are known for defiance of party or government line. Their only virtue is their consistency in keeping their honeymoon with Pakistan alive. They are found haunting residences of the Pakistan and UK High Commissioners and ambassadors of the US and China. They include senior media personalities known for their soft approach to Pakistan. But it is not that these think tanks are working only for a dialogue with Pakistan. Some have taken upon the responsibility of disarming the world by fighting against nuclear proliferation. Their only mission is to discourage India from becoming a nuclear power so that Western nuclear equipment manufacturing companies can capture Indian market. No wonder, their membership comprises those who share the doctrine of ideological junketing.


Surprisingly, these intellectual itinerants of both India and Pakistan are like MACs ( Mutual Admiration Clubs). They invite only those from each other’s country who are ideologically, culturally and politically compatible. For them, any change of government hardly makes a difference. An analysis of their writings or presentations reveals that all of them follow the same line of argument even if they come from different parties or outfits. They are so organised that if any non-MAC member makes a contrarian move, they move heaven and hell to gag the disagreeable point of view using their connections. Modi’s challenge is finding the right formula to dismantle the monstrous machinery, which has destabilised and undermined South Block with fraternal finesse. He has to take a call to merge both Tracks so that national interest prevails over culinary and travel preferences of retired apparatchiks who try to transcend oblivion with undying ambition.


Good article by Prabhu Chawla on Track 2 nonsense. Quite rare to see articles like this on track 2/3/4/.. in Indian media.

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

Postby Peregrine » 20 Jul 2014 13:15

X Posted on the Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad Thread

90 pc of slain Muslims killed by 'brothers': Turkey's religious head

ISTANBUL : One thousand Muslims are being killed each day and 90 percent of the killers are also Muslims, head of Turkey's Directorate of Religious Affairs (Diyanet) has said.

"They are being killed by their brothers, not only in Syria and Iraq, but also in Libya, Pakistan, Africa and Myanmar,"
Prof. Dr. Mehmet Görmez said in his address to the participants of "World Islamic Scholars, Peace, Moderation and Commonsense Initiative" conference in Istanbul on July 19.

Görmez cited "some studies" without specifying the exact source for the figures he quoted.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby shiv » 20 Jul 2014 13:26

Peregrine wrote:X Posted on the Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad Thread

90 pc of slain Muslims killed by 'brothers': Turkey's religious head

ISTANBUL : One thousand Muslims are being killed each day and 90 percent of the killers are also Muslims, head of Turkey's Directorate of Religious Affairs (Diyanet) has said.

"They are being killed by their brothers, not only in Syria and Iraq, but also in Libya, Pakistan, Africa and Myanmar,"
Prof. Dr. Mehmet Görmez said in his address to the participants of "World Islamic Scholars, Peace, Moderation and Commonsense Initiative" conference in Istanbul on July 19.

Görmez cited "some studies" without specifying the exact source for the figures he quoted.

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Someone please inform this Dr. Gormez that he is an apostate. Islam is a religion of peace and Muslims don't kill Muslims.

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Postby partha » 20 Jul 2014 13:38

Review of book by Arif Jamal.
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http://tns.thenews.com.pk/brewing-jihad-of-markaz-dawat-wal-irshad/
A brewing jihad
Wajid Ali Syed July 20, 2014

A jaw-dropping account of the missions, men and madness involved in the Markaz Dawat wal Irshad’s transformation into a powerful Islamist militant syndicate


The general perception is that the global Jihad phenomenon in the modern world started with US geopolitical interests and opportunism backed with financing from the House of Saud to various Islamist militant groups.
This conventional wisdom has permeated because many of the books published in the last few decades on this subject focused on the biographies of Osama bin Laden and his ilk, or discussed the background of al-Qaeda and its founding in relation to Afghan jihad and terrorist attacks in the West.
The modern grand jihad did not start with Afghanistan, nor was it initiated by al-Qaeda. The Meccan rebellion in late 1979 was the first jihadist operation launched by a truly international Islamist group, Juhayman’s Ikhwan. The attempt to take over Mecca failed, and the Saudis executed the rebel leader, Juhayman al-Utyabi, and the self-anointed Mahdi, Muhammad bin Abdallah al Qahtani. Their story did not end there. In fact, it was just the beginning of an endless clash between religious zealots and the rest of the world. Very few understood that the global jihad extends far beyond Afghan war.
The Juhayman’s Ikhwan was based in Mecca, and its Salafist members were spread all over the world, from the Middle East to South Asia and the West, tirelessly spreading its ideology via a 438-page book of Juhayman’s epistles and attached commentary. The scripture became increasingly popular, creating a huge following which later, coincidentally, merged with al-Qaeda in the mid 1980s. Historians and avid journalists like Yaroslav Trofimov, Thomas Hegghammer and Stephane Lacroix, and Pascal Menoret sketched the origins, concepts, case failures and history of the organisation. What they could not figure out, in their scholarly books, was what would — or in this case did — eventually become of the organisation.
The Juhayman’s Ikhwan jihadi ideology remains intact even though the organisation mutated into two equally lethal groups: al-Qaeda and Markaz Dawat wal Irshad (MDI). The al-Qaeda threat, which has manifested in headline-grabbing attacks worldwide, continues to pose a challenge, but what happened to MDI and its very existence remained unexplored. The fate of this dangerous group is what Arif Jamal successfully explains, in chilling detail, in his exceptionally well-researched book, Call for Transnational Jihad: Lashkar-e-Taiba 1985-2014.
In the new book, Jamal explains how the Kashmir conflict is just a fraction of what is happening behind the scenes.
The book can be called a sequel to his first publication: Shadow War: The Untold Story of Jihad in Kashmir, that profiled and analysed the history of jihad in Kashmir and the role of the Pakistan army in shaping it. In the new book, he explains how the Kashmir conflict is just a fraction of what is happening behind the scenes. He digs deeper and even names the names of organisations and their inner connections with other terrorist groups.
Arif Jamal has written more than 350 investigative articles focusing on subjects as diverse as Islamist politics in Pakistan, jihad driven agendas, and funding sources of madrassas; the jaw-dropping accounts he describes in the new book are firmly based on various official publications of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD), as well as his personal correspondence with the JuD leadership during his journalistic work in Pakistan. This gives his facts more credibility.
Arif Jamal is known for telling such unpublished and unexplored stories of jihad. The cover of the book has been taken from a recruitment pamphlet designed by the organisation. In the twelve chapters of the book, he covers missions, men and madness involved in the MDI’s transformation into a powerful Islamist militant syndicate. While the world considers al-Qaeda as its enemy and tries to leave no stone unturned to eliminate the threat, the MDI goes unnoticed.
It is interesting to note that while the al-Qaeda leadership mainly consists of Arab jihadists forming local cells, the MDI is led by more domestic, familiar faces reaching out to Arab and Western like-minded jihadists.Arif jamal book
The book explores how the surviving members of the Juhayman’s Ikhwan founded the MDI in Lahore, Pakistan.The group was established in 1987 as an idara to unite Salafists and Ahl-e-Hadith worldwide, with Allama Badiuddin Shah Rashidi (aka Pir Jhanday Shah, or Allama Rashdi for short) as its first Ameer.
Palestinian preacher Isam al Barqawi (aka Abu Mohammad al Maqdisi) popularised Juhayman’s ideology in the mujahideen camps in Afghanistan. His book, The Clear Proofs that the Saudi State is infidel, was a popular read among the jihadists. At that time, Hafiz Saeed was just the public face and spokesman for Juhayman’s Ikhwan in Pakistan until 1994 when a report on the Jihad-e-Hind Conference in Mujallah ad-Dawa called him the chief of MDI for the first time. The MDI was renamed as the Jamaat-ud-Dawa in December 2001, and often erroneously referred to as the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).
Like most Ahl-e-Hadith ulema, Hafiz Saeed, his colleague Zafar Iqbal, and their small group of followers had given little or no attention to the Afghan jihad until 1985. Both were teaching Islamic Studies at the University of Engineering and Technology in Lahore, and organised religious sermons for larger audiences. They formed Salafiyya Rising Engineers and organised Ahl-e-Hadith students. Both Hafiz Saeed and Zafar Iqbal had been indoctrinated in jihad during their stay in Saudi Arabia in the early 1980s. Zafar Iqbal came from a Barelvi family and converted to Salafism under the influence of Hafiz Abdullah Bahawalpuri. Hafiz Saeed, on the other hand, came from a very religious Ahl-e-Hadith family, and later married the daughter of Bahawalpuri, his maternal uncle.
The ideology of the family strengthened JuD and ultimately linked it with dozens of other world militant organisations in different countries like Afghanistan’s Jamaat ud Dawa ilal Quran awl Sunnah (JDQS) and Ittehad Islami, Great Britain’s Jamiat Ahyaul Minhajul Sunnah (aka Tehreek Minhajul Sunnah) and Jamiat Ahle Hadith, India’s SIMI and IM, Burma’s RSO, Philippines’ Moro Islamic Liberation Front of Philippines or MILF, Thailand’s Patani Islamic Liberation Front or PILF, Sudan’s Jamaat Ansar al-Sunnah al-Muhammadiyya, then Egypt, Nigeria and more than 90 other countries.
Resultantly, JuD’s role can be easily connected to jihadi stints in Chechnya, Tajikistan and Bosnia.
Besides other eye-opening facts, it was also revealing that the Bosnia jihad in 1992-1996, which was until now attributed to al-Qaeda, was conceived and led by Mahmoud Bahaziq, who was a member of the Juhayman’s Ikhwan and then top founder of the MDI/JuD.
Such was the reason that decades after the Mecca siege, Prince Khalid al Faisal, Governor of the province of Asir, acknowledged the existing jihadi threat, saying: “We have eliminated the individuals who committed the Juhayman crime, but we have overlooked the ideology that was behind the crime. We’ve let it spread in the country, ignoring it as if it did not exist.”
The book also examines the JuD’s overpowering status because the West has overlooked the group’s open activities, categorising it — wrongly — as a mainly South Asian problem. The book concludes that it could take only 24 hours if the JuD wanted to take over Lahore. Unlike other religious militant organisations, the JuD members are not some madrassa trained young students. Most of them are trained professionals and come from all walks of life, and have the ability to run a shadow government.
It also suggests that one of the reasons why the JuD has not rebelled against the Pakistani state is that its functionaries have penetrated the state apparatus, including the nuclear establishment. The world needs to consider JuD a serious formidable threat of the level of al-Qaeda. Ignoring the danger could result in even more 9/11s on a global scale.
Call for Transnational Jihad… is all you want to know about jihad that is brewing and spilling out of Pakistan. The book’s paperback is much awaited, since it is well worth a read and will reach as wide an audience with a lower price tag

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby shiv » 20 Jul 2014 14:16

partha wrote:Review of book by Arif Jamal.
http://tns.thenews.com.pk/brewing-jihad-of-markaz-dawat-wal-irshad/

It also suggests that one of the reasons why the JuD has not rebelled against the Pakistani state is that its functionaries have penetrated the state apparatus, including the nuclear establishment. The world needs to consider JuD a serious formidable threat of the level of al-Qaeda. Ignoring the danger could result in even more 9/11s on a global scale.
Call for Transnational Jihad… is all you want to know about jihad that is brewing and spilling out of Pakistan. The book’s paperback is much awaited, since it is well worth a read and will reach as wide an audience with a lower price tag


Here I have a quibble.

Pakistan's power was gained with US aid. The JuD is a state supported Islamist organization. The Pakistani state will lose power if the US stops funding the Paki army, and if the Paki army loses power the JuD too will lose military power.

Finally if the whole world stands up against Pakistan, the situation will be much worse - because nation states under threat will not look kindly on forces of jihad. They will simply and mercilessly kill.

What might happen in Pakistan is what I had hoped for - that is an Islamist government will eventually take over. Such a government will hate India like all previous governments. But they will find it difficult to get US military aid unless they water down their anti-west Islamist tendencies. That has not been possible because Islamism by definition is anti kafir and that's not just India.

Pakistan first needs to become fully Islamic to fulfill its destiny. It will be interesting to watch how this jihad state will ally with the west as the "secular" Paki army does.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby abhijitm » 20 Jul 2014 15:00

Five new polio cases push tally to near century
According to National Institute of Health, five new cases of polio include: two-year old Jaul Haq from Tehsil Miranshah, North Waziristan; one-and-a-half-year old Mariam from the same place; Fayaz, aged 1.5 years, from Tehsil Wana, South Waziristan; Maira, 2, from Laki Marwat and; Hamza, 21-month old, from Gadap Town, Karachi.
What is disturbing to note here is the fact that these kids had not been administered even a single dose of polio vaccination since their birth.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby SSridhar » 20 Jul 2014 15:05

partha wrote:Review of book by Arif Jamal.
http://tns.thenews.com.pk/brewing-jihad-of-markaz-dawat-wal-irshad/
The Juhayman’s Ikhwan jihadi ideology remains intact even though the organisation mutated into two equally lethal groups: al-Qaeda and Markaz Dawat wal Irshad (MDI). The al-Qaeda threat, which has manifested in headline-grabbing attacks worldwide, continues to pose a challenge, but what happened to MDI and its very existence remained unexplored.

The fountainhead of Juhayman was Syed Qutb. Anyway, I want to state that the two equal mutations were joined at the hip. Abdullah Azzam was the mentor of OBL and was also a close associate of Hafeez Saeed. Hafeez Saeed is also a significant beneficiary of OBL's largesse and a great friend of his.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby arun » 20 Jul 2014 15:23

A rare sensible piece of writing by a Pakistani.

I feel bad and a little guilty saying it, but I’m not interested in the Palestinian crisis. There, I said it. * Exhale *

I don’t understand this outpouring of emotions for Palestine on Facebook. How come there weren’t any well designed posters shared on Facebook when 10 people were shot by police forces in Model Town, Lahore?

Why wasn’t Facebook overwhelmed with emotional anti-Taliban visuals when they attacked Karachi airport? Were we sleeping earlier or are we just tuned to only hate Israel? Do things going kaboom in our backyard not make us flinch? Or are we afraid of criticising the Taliban because they might be next door (while the Israelis are a safe 4,000 kilometres away)?

Why is Palestine our problem when we have so many of our own? …………………………



From here:

6 Pakistanis who think Israel is their problem

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby anupmisra » 20 Jul 2014 16:28

shiv wrote:Someone please inform this Dr. Gormez that he is an apostate. Islam is a religion of peace and Real Muslims don't kill Real Muslims.


Only fake malsis kill real malsis (which is haram and thus leads to the second option, viz.,) and real malsis kill fake malsis (which is halal, see earlier haram action).

So said the "profit" in al kitab.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 20 Jul 2014 20:13

About the Archives of 1971 Genocide

Out of curiosity, I went to internet archives archive.org and searched for Bangladesh Genocide and was rewarded with a ton of material that said that the Sheikh Hasina government is committing "genocide" of Muslims in Bangladesh, but nothing at all on the 1971 genocide.

The original June 13, 1971 London Sunday Times Anthony Mascarenhas article which broke the story of the genocide is still google-able but barely. Image scans of the Sunday Times article are available, as also text-scans. The redoubtable Tarek Fatah (tarekfatah.org) whose health I understand is not the best, is maintaining a copy on his site. But there are no archives that have some sort of official, authentic status. It won't be surprising that in a fairly short time from now, the world has no memory at all of the '71 Holocaust and Pakistan's unrequited crime.

The image scan of the Mascarenhas article and its text version are now uploaded to archive.org. I request shiv to please add these links to the STFUP first-post (after independently verifying that the links work):

Image Scan of Mascarenhas article on 1971 Genocide

Text scan of Mascarenhas article on 1971 Genocide

I request members to please download the articles to bring up the documents' score in archive.org.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 20 Jul 2014 21:21

arun wrote:A rare sensible piece of writing by a Pakistani.

I feel bad and a little guilty saying it, but I’m not interested in the Palestinian crisis. There, I said it. * Exhale *

I don’t understand this outpouring of emotions for Palestine on Facebook. How come there weren’t any well designed posters shared on Facebook when 10 people were shot by police forces in Model Town, Lahore?

Why wasn’t Facebook overwhelmed with emotional anti-Taliban visuals when they attacked Karachi airport? Were we sleeping earlier or are we just tuned to only hate Israel? Do things going kaboom in our backyard not make us flinch? Or are we afraid of criticising the Taliban because they might be next door (while the Israelis are a safe 4,000 kilometres away)?

Why is Palestine our problem when we have so many of our own? …………………………



From here:

6 Pakistanis who think Israel is their problem


Sensible? Maybe, but still very much paki:

From the article:
We too can conquer the world, including Israel, once our own house is on order. Until then, we need to stop shouting at the world and focus on Pakistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Peregrine » 20 Jul 2014 23:24

KLNMurthy wrote:About the Archives of 1971 Genocide

Out of curiosity, I went to internet archives archive.org and searched for Bangladesh Genocide and was rewarded with a ton of material that said that the Sheikh Hasina government is committing "genocide" of Muslims in Bangladesh, but nothing at all on the 1971 genocide.

The original June 13, 1971 London Sunday Times Anthony Mascarenhas article which broke the story of the genocide is still google-able but barely. Image scans of the Sunday Times article are available, as also text-scans. The redoubtable Tarek Fatah (tarekfatah.org) whose health I understand is not the best, is maintaining a copy on his site. But there are no archives that have some sort of official, authentic status. It won't be surprising that in a fairly short time from now, the world has no memory at all of the '71 Holocaust and Pakistan's unrequited crime.

The image scan of the Mascarenhas article and its text version are now uploaded to archive.org. I request shiv to please add these links to the STFUP first-post (after independently verifying that the links work):

Image Scan of Mascarenhas article on 1971 Genocide

Text scan of Mascarenhas article on 1971 Genocide

I request members to please download the articles to bring up the documents' score in archive.org.


KLNMurthy Ji :

From page/n1/mode/2up:

1. According to Anthony Mascarenhas : "...Hindus of East Bengal - who constitute about 10 per cent of the 75 Million Population ….”

2. According to Statistical Yearbook of Bangladesh 2010 the Hindu Population content according to the 1961 Census 18.5%, 1974 Census 13.5%, 1981 Census 12.1%, 1991 Census 10.5% and finally the 2001 Census it is 09.3%.

You can draw your own conclusions!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Prem » 21 Jul 2014 00:21

Seasonal Pushtun Hunting Game By Pakistani Fauj

Z- Arab-e-Garbh: 28 Hunted downin Shawal air strikes

RAW AL BINDI: Twenty-eight more Pushtuns civilians were taken out as fighter planes of Pakistan Air Force (PAF) pounded their homes in Shawal area of North Waziristan Agency early Sunday morning.Six houses of Pushtuns were also destroyed in the air raids carried out as part of the ongoing operation Zarb-e-Azb which was launched in North Waziristan on June 15.The full-scale military offensive was launched in the wake of failure of peace talks held with the militants of banned Tahrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby KLNMurthy » 21 Jul 2014 03:19

Crossposting from Eastern Europe / Ukraine thread:


Hamid Gul sure gets around. AoA.


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Postby Vipul » 21 Jul 2014 17:49

Upward move: Pakistan’s ICT sector to cross $10b mark, says P@SHA.

The current growth rate and employment trend indicate that Pakistan’s Information Communication Technology (ICT) industry will exceed the $10-billion mark within the next five years, Pakistan Software Houses Association for IT and IT-enabled services said on its website.Though some industry experts were sceptical of these estimates, the industry’s representative body is optimistic that the ICT sector would exceed $11 billion in the next five years, especially the employment growth rate, which is over 41%.

According to P@SHA, the industry is already grossing over $2 billion a year, up from less than a billion dollars a few years ago. With most tech companies’ growth exceeding 30% a year, the country’s ICT sector is growing significantly.

From its nascent beginnings in the late 1980s, the industry has come a long way to the point where its value proposition is validated over and over again. “The largest players – members of P@SHA – are grossing between $15 million and $25 million in revenues :rotfl: and receiving $100 million valuations,” it says.

The country’s technology sector is fast becoming a hub of high performance business. “What other sectors and countries achieved in 15 to 20 years, Pakistan’s technology scene is poised to achieve in less than a decade. (Take that you Yindoos)

“Putting it all together, the Pakistani technology industry is very different from what it was in the early 1990s,” P@SHA said.From four founding companies in 1994, P@SHA’s current membership exceeds 370. The industry had 4,200 employees in 2004 while current employment is at 12,000. The employers expect a rise in employment growth rate to 50% this year to meet the demand.(Grand increase of 8000 in 10 years :mrgreen:)

The aforesaid estimates come exclusively from members of P@SHA and exclude the earnings of tens of thousands of freelancers working in individual capacities. According to Pakistan Startup report, there are about 1 million freelancers working from Pakistan mainly via elance, oDesk and freelancer – world’s famous online market places that count Pakistan among top 5 freelancing nations.

“It’s hard to get the exact idea of how big the industry’s actual size may be. Those who are earning high don’t disclose their revenues for two reasons: personal security and the Federal Board of Revenue. It is common for Pakistanis to hide their incomes because of threats from extortionists, particularly in Karachi,” said P@SHA President Jehan Ara.

A lot of Islamabad statistics in play here. 12,000 total ICT professionals are bringing in $2 Billion in revenue. Gives per hour revenue per person of $88. Really!!!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby chetak » 21 Jul 2014 17:59

Vipul wrote:Upward move: Pakistan’s ICT sector to cross $10b mark, says P@SHA.

The current growth rate and employment trend indicate that Pakistan’s Information Communication Technology (ICT) industry will exceed the $10-billion mark within the next five years, Pakistan Software Houses Association for IT and IT-enabled services said on its website.Though some industry experts were sceptical of these estimates, the industry’s representative body is optimistic that the ICT sector would exceed $11 billion in the next five years, especially the employment growth rate, which is over 41%.

According to P@SHA, the industry is already grossing over $2 billion a year, up from less than a billion dollars a few years ago. With most tech companies’ growth exceeding 30% a year, the country’s ICT sector is growing significantly.

From its nascent beginnings in the late 1980s, the industry has come a long way to the point where its value proposition is validated over and over again. “The largest players – members of P@SHA – are grossing between $15 million and $25 million in revenues :rotfl: and receiving $100 million valuations,” it says.

The country’s technology sector is fast becoming a hub of high performance business. “What other sectors and countries achieved in 15 to 20 years, Pakistan’s technology scene is poised to achieve in less than a decade. (Take that you Yindoos)

“Putting it all together, the Pakistani technology industry is very different from what it was in the early 1990s,” P@SHA said.From four founding companies in 1994, P@SHA’s current membership exceeds 370. The industry had 4,200 employees in 2004 while current employment is at 12,000. The employers expect a rise in employment growth rate to 50% this year to meet the demand.(Grand increase of 8000 in 10 years :mrgreen:)

The aforesaid estimates come exclusively from members of P@SHA and exclude the earnings of tens of thousands of freelancers working in individual capacities. According to Pakistan Startup report, there are about 1 million freelancers working from Pakistan mainly via elance, oDesk and freelancer – world’s famous online market places that count Pakistan among top 5 freelancing nations.

“It’s hard to get the exact idea of how big the industry’s actual size may be. Those who are earning high don’t disclose their revenues for two reasons: personal security and the Federal Board of Revenue. It is common for Pakistanis to hide their incomes because of threats from extortionists, particularly in Karachi,” said P@SHA President Jehan Ara.

A lot of Islamabad statistics in play here. 12,000 total ICT professionals are bringing in $2 Billion in revenue. Gives per hour revenue per person of $88. Really!!!


That better that a dollar a minute.

What's their per capita begging rate per hour ( this is more representative as it involves the whole country, man woman and child and it's goes on non stop 24X365)

which is more efficient?? the ummah or the non ummah sources??

world’s famous online market places that count Pakistan among top 5 freelancing nations.


freelancing or freeloading??

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby SSridhar » 21 Jul 2014 19:46

Let us recognize Pakistaniyat when in full flow:

Hindustani sangeet (a blend of Pakistani and North Indian music) borrowed from Carnatic.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby anupmisra » 21 Jul 2014 20:44

SSridhar wrote:Let us recognize Pakistaniyat when in full flow:

Hindustani sangeet (a blend of Pakistani and North Indian music) borrowed from Carnatic.


Pakistani sangeet was first brought to the shores of Sindh by the greatest sangeetkaar of all arabs - bin Qasim, who merged the dark discordant notes of the Buddhists of Sindh with the enlightened melodious notes of the Islamic world to create what is today known as Pakistani sangeet (Hindus call it Hindustani Sangeet because they are jealous). Even the Hindu ragas are stolen from original middle eastern rages, created by wandering savants who ruled the levant amd maghrib with compassion and openness. For example:

1. Raga Adana was originally Rage of Adnaan
2. Raga Bageshri was originally Rage Bag-e-sher
3. Raga Bhairav was originally Rage Bhar-e-Av
4. Raga Bihag was originally Rage Bhaag
5. Raga Gorakh Kalyan was originally Rage Gor-e-khansami
6. Raga Hamir was originally Rage of Hamid
7. Raga Kafi was originally Rage of Kafir


See what I mean...?
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby shiv » 21 Jul 2014 20:45

KLNMurthy wrote:Image Scan of Mascarenhas article on 1971 Genocide

Text scan of Mascarenhas article on 1971 Genocide

I request members to please download the articles to bring up the documents' score in archive.org.

Thanks for posting - I no longer retain the power to add this to the first post and need to request admins to do that.

One comment, Somehow I suspect that this particular article has an Indian intelligence/Indian government stamp on it.

i say this in the light of facts that have been brought out in the book "The Blood Telegram" by Gary Bass. Bass writes that the genocide was mainly a Hindu genocide, but the Indian government under Indira Gandhi did not want that fact to be known to the Indian public - expecting massive civil retaliation against Muslims.

In the June 1971 article above Mascarenhas paints a "secular" picture of the genocide -"Hindus AND Muslims" which is what makes me suspect an Indian hand.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Peregrine » 21 Jul 2014 20:56

Vipul wrote:Upward move: Pakistan’s ICT sector to cross $10b mark, says P@SHA.

The current growth rate and employment trend indicate that Pakistan’s Information Communication Technology (ICT) industry will exceed the $10-billion mark within the next five years, Pakistan Software Houses Association for IT and IT-enabled services said on its website.Though some industry experts were sceptical of these estimates, the industry’s representative body is optimistic that the ICT sector would exceed $11 billion in the next five years, especially the employment growth rate, which is over 41%.

According to P@SHA, the industry is already grossing over $2 billion a year, up from less than a billion dollars a few years ago. With most tech companies’ growth exceeding 30% a year, the country’s ICT sector is growing significantly.

From its nascent beginnings in the late 1980s, the industry has come a long way to the point where its value proposition is validated over and over again. “The largest players – members of P@SHA – are grossing between $15 million and $25 million in revenues :rotfl: and receiving $100 million valuations,” it says.

The country’s technology sector is fast becoming a hub of high performance business. “What other sectors and countries achieved in 15 to 20 years, Pakistan’s technology scene is poised to achieve in less than a decade. (Take that you Yindoos)

“Putting it all together, the Pakistani technology industry is very different from what it was in the early 1990s,” P@SHA said.From four founding companies in 1994, P@SHA’s current membership exceeds 370. The industry had 4,200 employees in 2004 while current employment is at 12,000. The employers expect a rise in employment growth rate to 50% this year to meet the demand.(Grand increase of 8000 in 10 years :mrgreen:)

The aforesaid estimates come exclusively from members of P@SHA and exclude the earnings of tens of thousands of freelancers working in individual capacities. According to Pakistan Startup report, there are about 1 million freelancers working from Pakistan mainly via elance, oDesk and freelancer – world’s famous online market places that count Pakistan among top 5 freelancing nations.

“It’s hard to get the exact idea of how big the industry’s actual size may be. Those who are earning high don’t disclose their revenues for two reasons: personal security and the Federal Board of Revenue. It is common for Pakistanis to hide their incomes because of threats from extortionists, particularly in Karachi,” said P@SHA President Jehan Ara.

A lot of Islamabad statistics in play here. 12,000 total ICT professionals are bringing in $2 Billion in revenue. Gives per hour revenue per person of $88. Really!!!


Vipul Ji :

STATE BANK OF PAKISTAN : EXPORTS AND IMPORTS OF GOODS & SERVICES : FY 14 July – June

Exports of Services : US$ 5,261 Million

9. Telecommunications, computer, and information services : US$ 817 Million

Imports of Services : US$ 7,903 Million

9. Telecommunications, computer, and information services : US$ 348 Million

So much for the Shinning Pakistan ICT Sector!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby anupmisra » 21 Jul 2014 21:28

Pakistani elders forbid fleeing women from collecting food aid

Some tribal elders in a city in northwest Pakistan have decreed that families fleeing a military offensive should not allow women to collect food aid, an elder said on Monday after Reuters saw him attacking women
If any woman comes to the ration distribution area, she will be punished," said Malik Kaleemullah
On Monday, a Reuters journalist saw Kaleemullah slap several women queuing for food at the main stadium in Bannu
Hundreds of others saw him


Kaleemullah, therefore, performed yeoman services in the service of his god (punishing women as proscribed in al kitab) and his tribe (by providing a sporting spectacle in the stadium for the enjoyment of his people who have been deprived of entertainment). Next step - flogging!!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby KLNMurthy » 22 Jul 2014 04:00

shiv wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:Image Scan of Mascarenhas article on 1971 Genocide

Text scan of Mascarenhas article on 1971 Genocide

I request members to please download the articles to bring up the documents' score in archive.org.

Thanks for posting - I no longer retain the power to add this to the first post and need to request admins to do that.

One comment, Somehow I suspect that this particular article has an Indian intelligence/Indian government stamp on it.

i say this in the light of facts that have been brought out in the book "The Blood Telegram" by Gary Bass. Bass writes that the genocide was mainly a Hindu genocide, but the Indian government under Indira Gandhi did not want that fact to be known to the Indian public - expecting massive civil retaliation against Muslims.

In the June 1971 article above Mascarenhas paints a "secular" picture of the genocide -"Hindus AND Muslims" which is what makes me suspect an Indian hand.


Hmm... I try to avoid re-reading this article for obvious reasons, but IIRC M was pretty clear that the agenda was genocide of Hindus; Muslims were killed for not going along with the agenda.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Shreeman » 22 Jul 2014 04:41

anupmisra wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Let us recognize Pakistaniyat when in full flow:

...Hindustani sangeet (a blend of Pakistani and North Indian music) borrowed from Carnatic.
...

Pakistani sangeet was first brought to the shores of Sindh by the greatest sangeetkaar of all arabs - bin Qasim, who merged the dark discordant notes of the Buddhists of Sindh with the enlightened melodious notes of the Islamic world to create what is today known as Pakistani sangeet (Hindus call it Hindustani Sangeet because they are jealous). Even the Hindu ragas are stolen from original middle eastern rages, created by wandering savants who ruled the levant amd maghrib with compassion and openness. For example:

1. Raga Adana was originally Rage of Adnaan
2. Raga Bageshri was originally Rage Bag-e-sher
3. Raga Bhairav was originally Rage Bhar-e-Av
4. Raga Bihag was originally Rage Bhaag
5. Raga Gorakh Kalyan was originally Rage Gor-e-khansami
6. Raga Hamir was originally Rage of Hamid
7. Raga Kafi was originally Rage of Kafir


See what I mean...?


Ahem.. minor correction only:

7. Raga Kafi was originally Rage of Kafir -- Rage against the kafir onlee. Who cares about rages OF the kafir.

A lesser known fact is the so-call Raga Kambojhi (which appears in both hindustani and carnatic versions of the kafir mujras), was actually Raga Kum-Bhaji -- a beautiful lament on the lack of grass to eat while standing in the stadium-e-queue while being beaten by the tribal elder. It is still staged in bakistan in its original glory.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby Prem » 22 Jul 2014 06:26

Peregrine wrote:[quote="Exports of Services : US$ 5,261 Million
9. Telecommunications, computer, and information services : US$ 817 MillionImports of Services : US$ 7,903 Million

100% Poaqo Haram LYnk
20pc decline in export of services
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s export of services witnessed a decline of over 20 percent in the first 11 months of 2013-14 from a year ago.In absolute terms, export of services fell to $4.947 billion in July-May 2014 as against $6.249bn over the corresponding period of the preceding year, showed Pak­istan Bureau of Statistics (Pure BS) data released on Monday. The decline is mainly driven by decrease in export of government services. :-? Export of services falls by 32pcHowever, a reverse trend in exports of services was witnessed in the past few months.On monthly basis, export of services witnessed an increase of 98.81pc in May 2014 over the same month last year.Annual export of services reached $6.618bn in July-June 2013-14 compared to $5.035bn in the corresponding period previous year.The services sector emerged as the main driver of economic growth. The share of services sector increased from 56pc of the GDP in 2005-06 to 57.7pc in 2013-14.Major sub-sectors are finance and insurance, transport and storage, wholesale and retail trade, public administration and defence.Pakistan has opened up its market to foreign service providers, particularly in banking, insurance, telecommunications and retail.
Still the import of services dropped to $7.016bn in July-May 2014 from $7.571bn over the corresponding months of last year, reflecting a decline of 7.33pc.Last year, import of services declined to $7.758bn in July-June 2012-13 as against $8.227bn in the same period last year.On a monthly basis, import of services also witnessed a decline of 15pc in May 2014 over the corresponding month of last year.As a result of higher dip in exports, services deficit also witnessed an increase of 56.48pc to $2.069bn in July-May period of previous fiscal year as against $1.322bn over the corresponding period of last year.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby SSridhar » 22 Jul 2014 06:38

KLN Murthy, thanks for posting. I have now added the two URLs to the first post under a new caption 'Pakistan and Genocide'. We can add there references to Balochistan, Waziristan and other future genocides waiting to happen.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby partha » 22 Jul 2014 06:45

SSji, http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/ too is a good website documenting the Bangla genocide. We could add this too in the first post.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul

Postby SSridhar » 22 Jul 2014 06:51

Chinese envoy lauds ISI's anti-terror role - ToI
China's newly-appointed special envoy to Afghanistan on Monday defended Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) as "responsible force battling terrorism'' and ruled out its involvement in the recent attack on the Indian consulate in Herat.

"I think as an agency for the government and military of Pakistan, the ISI has been effective in fighting against terrorism," Sun Yuxi said at a presser a day before his Kabul visit.

"As for the specific [Herat] case, I have not been following regional developments for some time. I do believe that the Pakistan government or any responsible agency of Pakistan will only fight against terrorism instead of being involved with any terrorist groups,'' said Sun, who would visit Islamabad after his return from Kabul.

Sun rejected concerns suggesting China will work closely with Pakistani agencies including the ISI in Afghanistan. His comments come even as President Hamid Karzai blamed the LeT for the Herat attack on May 23 and amid concerns over ISI's destabilizing role in Afghanistan ahead of the US pullout.

The special envoy said he would maintain close working relationship with his Indian and Pakistani counterparts to contribute to peace and fighting terrorism. He claimed Islamabad would "play an important and positive role in the peaceful reconstruction of Afghanistan and fight terrorism''.

Sun, who has served as Chinese ambassador in India and Afghanistan, hoped New Delhi and Pakistan would work closely in Afghanistan. "I want to tell my colleagues from India and Pakistan that I know that both countries are making efforts to safeguard peace and stability and helping Afghanistan with reconstruction.'' {Pakistan, working for peace & reconstruction of Afghanistan? }

The special envoy said China's main concern remained Xinjiang's separatist East Turkestan Islamic Movement's links with al Qaida and terrorists groups in Afghanistan {He avoided Pakistan}.


So, a clean chit to ISI and this tells India what to expect from China as it endeavours to fill in the vacuum to be left behind by the US & NATO withdrawal. China will work closely with the ISI in Afghanistan.


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