Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Mar. 29, 2011

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 01 May 2011 06:23

Many thought Bangladesh (BD) broke away from Pakistan because it wanted to go in a different direction. But after its secular birth, it adopted the same trajectory as Pakistan. Like Pakistan, it was taken over by the generals. Even the names tallied. General Ziaur Rahman amended the 1972 Constitution of Sheikh Mujib and removed the word ‘secular’ from it. The 5th Amendment introduced Islam as the ‘guiding principle’ of the constitution.

Musharraf was helpless in the face of state-sponsored jihad through the madrassa network. Moeen had no such constraints. Jamaat-i-Islami was forced to change its constitution, acknowledge Bangladesh’s 1971 war of independence — as opposed to its past insistence that this had been a civil war between factions within Pakistan — and change its name from Jamaat-i-Islami Bangladesh to Bangladesh Jamaat-i-Islami (p.254). He arrested Sheikh Hasina and Khaleda Zia together with the latter’s profligate sons, Tareque Rahman and Arafat Rahman.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 01 May 2011 06:50

anupmisra wrote:Kiyani Uvacha

Nation’s honor not to be traded for prosperity

Roundabout way of saying that the nation's honour has no value, so it cannot be traded unlike previous times.

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 May 2011 07:45

X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan members the overwhelming Mohammadden majority shown the Dhimmi followers of Christianism their lowly place with suspicion of an act of blasphemy being committed prompting a Mohammadden mob to ransack a Church:

Religious clash on blasphemy Protestors destroy Church, police headquarters

saip · Post by **saip** » 01 May 2011 08:01

A hindu writer that too a lady journalist working in Pakistan? Marvi Sirmed

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2011_pg3_5

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 01 May 2011 08:25

saip wrote:A hindu writer that too a lady journalist working in Pakistan? Marvi Sirmed

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 2011_pg3_5

http://marvisirmed.com/?p=1577

Raised in an orthodox Muslim Deobandi family,...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 May 2011 09:03

Baikul wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Kiyani Uvacha

Nation’s honor not to be traded for prosperity
Roundabout way of saying that the nation's honour has no value, so it cannot be traded unlike previous times.

This has got to be one of the more bizarre speeches that I have read about

. I mean - look at what this man is saying:

the nation’s honor and integrity will not be traded just in exchange for “prosperity”, Geo News reported.

“What’s in national interest and what’s not is a decision only you Pakistanis have the right to make,”

Clearly this general has got horse manure in his head.

He first makes a decision for Pakistan ans says - in the tradition of "We will eat grass" prosperity will be sacrificed for what he calls "honor". Then he contradick-ts himself and say "You Pakistanis will decide". What an idiot.

Then look at this. There is piskology here

“We believe in one army, one family and one nation"

Hmmm- that's an oddball quote. Why should an army chief have to say "We believe in one army"?

Does there appear to him to be less than or more than one army? That statement can only make sense if there was doubt about the "oneness" of the army. If there is no doubt then Kayani is an incoherent fool.

So the army chief himself has some concerns about the oneness of the paki army. Interesting.

About one nation - of course Pakistan appears to be splitting further - but hey wasn't it "two nations" - two nation theory and all till a few years ago? Where has that gone? Is Jinah dead?

"One family". I accept that. Cousin marriage. Microcephaly. Rat people of Pakistan and all that. Its true. B**nchod is such a popular concept in Pakistan. just read the comments by Pakis on YouTube.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 May 2011 09:17

How many NSAs ?

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 May 2011 09:31

X Posted from the “Baluchistan : The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide“ thread.

The Punjabi dominated Security Agencies of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan accused of carrying out a campaign of targeted killing of Non-Baloch’s in Pakistan Occupied Balochistan in order to tarnish the freedom struggle of the Baloch:

Baloch leader accuses agencies of killing non-Baloch in Balochistan

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 May 2011 09:35

Normalising relations with India and America
Najam Sethi

Under the circumstances, it is doubly ironic that Pakistan should be exploring the prospects of importing electricity and fuel from India today and granting it MFN status even as it remains locked in a trust-deficit with the old enemy that has extended the conflict with it over the territory of Kashmir to the waters of Kashmir.The lack of an energy policy framework is especially troubling in the wake of the recent floods when the issue of dams and reservoirs was raised for the umpteenth time, only to be derailed once again by recurring domestic political conflict. The tragedy is compounded by the fact that even when money is available for non-controversial water management projects under the Kerry-Lugar bill, the Pakistani military is inclined to look at the American gift horse in the mouth by staking the country’s economic policy at the altar of its national security doctrine. This explains why only a fraction of the money earmarked for Pakistan has so far come into our coffers.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/TodaysPrintD ... 4572&Cat=9

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 01 May 2011 09:59

http://tribune.com.pk/story/160337/blas ... ujranwala/

Release of alleged blasphemers sparks riots in Gujranwala

Hundreds of people in Gujranwala, mostly residents of Azizabad Colony, on Saturday attacked a Christian seminary, a church as well as houses of Christians — including a pastor — after finding out that two Christians who had been accused of blasphemy have been released from protective custody by the police.

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 01 May 2011 10:54

Indians are geniuses I tell y'all. Pakis may be spreading fake indian currencies inside India. Now that Indians are holding expo for "made in Pakistan"......preety soon Indians would be using the same fake currency to buy made in pakistan goods. genius.

negi · Post by **negi** » 01 May 2011 10:58

asprinzl wrote:Indians are geniuses I tell y'all. Pakis may be spreading fake indian currencies inside India. Now that Indians are holding expo for "made in Pakistan"......preety soon Indians would be using the same fake currency to buy made in pakistan goods. genius.

Ok ok enough of patronizing tone;

the Baki fake currency does not get routed by the RBI for our Gobermund to buy stuff from pak; the fake currency gets injected directly into the open market and GoI can do nothing about it.

partha · Post by **partha** » 01 May 2011 11:17

http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/29/children-of-zia.html

according to Ayesha Siddiqa, 56 per cent of elite youth do not want a secular state.

Similarly, those who say that Ahmadis are Muslims and should NOT be killed also get attacked. I have witnessed students say that they would like to personally behead Ahmadis. I’ve heard them say this out loud in a class with Ahmadi students who are, more often than not, hiding their religious affiliation from the others. I’ve also heard rants against Hindus while a Hindu student has been sitting in the room. That is how shameless we have become.

chilarai · Post by **chilarai** » 01 May 2011 12:03

partha wrote:http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/29/children-of-zia.html

according to Ayesha Siddiqa, 56 per cent of elite youth do not want a secular state.

Similarly, those who say that Ahmadis are Muslims and should NOT be killed also get attacked. I have witnessed students say that they would like to personally behead Ahmadis. I’ve heard them say this out loud in a class with Ahmadi students who are, more often than not, hiding their religious affiliation from the others. I’ve also heard rants against Hindus while a Hindu student has been sitting in the room. That is how shameless we have become.

as if its perfectly fine doing so when the Ahmadis or Hindus are not around ! That's paki liberalism for you !

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 01 May 2011 12:08

anupmisra wrote:Kiyani Uvacha

Nation’s honor not to be traded for prosperity

Before prosperity he should think of survival.

We believe in one army, one family and one nation and we will have to rise above personal interests and think for a strong Pakistan

So what happens when Baloch think the same about a strong Balochistan?
Pakistan military killed Baloch villagers and burnt their live stocks in Kahan
And then Baloch rise above personal interest and

in retaliation to such barbaric attacks the freedom fighters of BLA (Baloch Liberation Army) have attacked two check posts of Pakistani security forces in Babar Kachh and Karmo wadh regions leaving at least three soldiers dead and four injured in both attacks.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 01 May 2011 12:34

shiv wrote:
the nation’s honor and integrity will not be traded just in exchange for “prosperity”, Geo News reported.

“What’s in national interest and what’s not is a decision only you Pakistanis have the right to make,”
Clearly this general has got horse manure in his head.

He first makes a decision for Pakistan ans says - in the tradition of "We will eat grass" prosperity will be sacrificed for what he calls "honor". Then he contradick-ts himself and say "You Pakistanis will decide". What an idiot.

Shiv
He is not contradicking..Pakistani people can decide what type of grass they must choose. There is Zoysia,Bermuda,pampas,turfgrass..etc..

Altair

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 01 May 2011 13:10

Pankaj Mishra chimes in with his anti India Diatribe

From Guardian-- Pakistan: A Hard Country by Anatol Lieven – review

Pakistan, Anatol Lieven writes in his new book, is "divided, disorganised, economically backward, corrupt, violent, unjust, often savagely oppressive towards the poor and women, and home to extremely dangerous forms of extremism and terrorism". It is easy to conclude, as many have, from this roll call of infirmities that Pakistan is basically Afghanistan or Somalia with nuclear weapons. Or is this a dangerously false perception, a product of wholly defective assumptions?

Certainly, an unblinkered vision of South Asia would feature a country whose fanatically ideological government in 1998 conducted nuclear tests, threatened its neighbour with all-out war and, four years later, presided over the massacre of 2,000 members of a religious minority. Long embattled against secessionist insurgencies on its western and eastern borders, the "flailing" state of this country now struggles to contain a militant movement in its heartland. It is also where thousands of women are killed every year for failing to bring sufficient dowry and nearly 200,000 farmers have committed suicide in the previous decade.

Needless to say, the country described above is not Pakistan but India, which, long feared to be near collapse, has revamped its old western image through what the American writer David Rieff calls the most "successful national re-branding" and "cleverest PR campaign" by a political and business establishment since "Cool Britannia" in the 1990s. Pakistan, on the other hand, seems to have lost all control over its international narrative.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 01 May 2011 13:22

the nation’s honor and integrity will not be traded just in exchange for “prosperity”, Geo News reported.

So prosperity alone is a very tiny gain and hence nation’s honor and integrity will not be traded off for such a small bet.

It would be altogether different and more importantly reasonable, if prosperity comes along with some f-16s, nuclear deals, drone takniki, pity food ie US aid, IMF bailout, kicking yindians out of Afghanistan etc etc.

In that case nation’s honor and integrity can be jerked off. Pakis are too damn smart to fall for such a small bet.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 01 May 2011 13:24

^^

I thought the BRF shun this cannibal.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 01 May 2011 13:25

I think he is only replying to the word on baki streets that TSPA has traded the nation’s honor and integrity in exchange for (TSPA's) “prosperity”. Which is true and so it may not be his own words.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 01 May 2011 13:28

Why has "Honour and Dignity" been replaced by "Honour and Integrity" hain jee?

Is it because Ass-**** knows we make too much fun of this phrase?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 May 2011 13:30

anupmisra wrote:Kiyani Uvacha
Nation’s honor not to be traded for prosperity

From the above,

General Kayani pointed out that Pakistan was today going through the most tumultuous times in its history

How many times has this 'most tumultuous time' happened, even in recent months and years ? Pakistan never recovers from any 'tumultuous time', it just slips from one 'tumultuous time' to another more 'tumultuous time' so that the earlier 'tumultuous time' appears to have been pleasant & peaceful after some time.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 May 2011 13:44

Charlie wrote:Pankaj Mishra chimes in with his anti India Diatribe

May I ask. Why did you post this link here? Why do we persist in giving freaks a lot of mileage? Piskologically this is Indianness. Or Pakisness perhaps - we are brothers after all. We may rail against MMS for calling for trade and cricket but many of us don't seem to know what should be given mileage and what should not be given mileage.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 May 2011 14:01

Narad wrote:Why has "Honour and Dignity" been replaced by "Honour and Integrity" hain jee?

Is it because Ass-**** knows we make too much fun of this phrase?

When echandee is under attack then it becomes echandayee, as in pain!

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 01 May 2011 14:32

Jaspreet wrote:Pakistan students top basic math and English
The task force report found that less than a third of the [Pakistani]students could subtract 3-digit numbers.

What's the use of mathematics - Once grown up, they only need to be able to count till 72 and that too in jannat to verify that they have not been cheated in distributing baksheesh.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 May 2011 14:47

Afghan cricket team to play a series in Pakistan

Afghanistan’s cricket team will become the first foreign national side to play in Pakistan, two years after internationals were suspended over security fears, an official said Saturday. International cricket has been suspended in Pakistan since March 2009

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 May 2011 15:40

Aren't the Afghans worried about the security situation in Pakistan to be playing cricket matches there?

They should demand a neutral venue like Sharjah, why even the kabul football stadium that the taliban made famous is a safer venue than Gaddafi stadium.
Err, Are the Pakistanis changing the name of Gaddafi stadium or what?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 01 May 2011 15:49

Gagan wrote:Err, Are the Pakistanis changing the name of Gaddafi stadium or what?

Shaheed Benazir Bhutto Stadium.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 01 May 2011 15:56

Pakis should rename gaddafi stadium to Mullah omar...

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 01 May 2011 16:10

anupmisra wrote:
Gagan wrote:Err, Are the Pakistanis changing the name of Gaddafi stadium or what?
Shaheed Benazir Bhutto Stadium.

Hope they open the gates of the stadium for the general public to graze on

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 01 May 2011 16:12

Gagan wrote:Aren't the Afghans worried about the security situation in Pakistan to be playing cricket matches there?

They should demand a neutral venue like Sharjah, why even the kabul football stadium that the taliban made famous is a safer venue than Gaddafi stadium.
Err, Are the Pakistanis changing the name of Gaddafi stadium or what?

The Afghans have a different agenda, they want to thump the Pakistanese on their own soil, good luck to them

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 01 May 2011 16:51

True believers in in Djinns, witches, "fairies", and ghosts.

According to the Gilani Research Foundation survey carried out by Gallup Pakistan, majority of all Pakistanis believe in the existence of various supernatural beings; 89% claimed that Jinns exist (In Islamic theology jinn are said to be creatures with freewill made from 'smokeless fire’), 58% said they believe in the existence of Ghosts, 55% believe in Fairies, and 50% believe in Witches.

A proportionately higher percentage of ruralites (91%) than urbanites (86%) believe in the existence of jinns.

The data shows that existence of Fairies is also believed by 55% of the respondents

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 May 2011 18:02

Gagan wrote:. . . why even the kabul football stadium that the taliban made famous is a safer venue

Err . . . after that football match, no Pakistani team of any sport is venturing to Afganistan, Taliban or otherwise.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 May 2011 18:38

SSridhar wrote:Afghan cricket team to play a series in Pakistan
Afghanistan’s cricket team will become the first foreign national side to play in Pakistan, two years after internationals were suspended over security fears, an official said Saturday. International cricket has been suspended in Pakistan since March 2009

Folks - come and kick me in the butt if Afghanistan does not announce in a few days that they know nothing about this series.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 May 2011 18:50

Saar,
1. This is a daily crimes report - rightly said truckload of salt is a vital ingredient.
2. It is possible that the Afghan Cricket team will tour Paki Punjab and a few big cities, and play matches with local sides which will include a smattering of unemployed pakistani cricketers and local unemployed youth (who pose as cricketers).
As usual these matches will be held with stadia mostly empty, the stadia themselves will be classic - paan marks all over, and the smell of pakistan and pee-piss-tan all over.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 01 May 2011 19:04

SSridhar wrote:
Gagan wrote:. . . why even the kabul football stadium that the taliban made famous is a safer venue
Err . . . after that football match, no Pakistani team of any sport is venturing to Afganistan, Taliban or otherwise.

It is a sign of desperation when the pakis look upon the Afghans to prove to the world that pakhanistan is safe to go to. A greater insult to the home side would be if the Afghan team is attacked and sent back with their heads shaven.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 May 2011 20:07

Much as the pakistanis and the tableeghi jamaat people would like to, they won't be able to (further) convert the Afghan cricket team to Islam.

Maybe they'd be able to convert them to the wahabi subfaith though, if there is a possibility.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 01 May 2011 20:15

MurthyB wrote:I remember that 10-15 years ago, one maulaner in pureland addressed this very issue by passing a fartwa that declared driving on the left to be haraam, and declared that purelanders should drive on the right onlee. *Some* pakis took him up on it, and the rate of chaos and entropy increase accelerated manifold. Several people died. Like the magnetically levitated Karachi circular railway, the "drive right" project has been put on hold....

saip wrote:I just noticed one thing. In Pakiland the pigs still drive on the left just like India. I am surprised that considering that they have this congenital hatred to everything Indian and they kiss US and Chinese butts all the time (they both drive on the right), they have not changed over to Right side. (The reason I checked is I am going to OZ/NZ land for vacation and wanted to see which side they drive (on the left side) )

Sir, its my deep observation that we dont drive on the left or right in India, we drive where there is space.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 May 2011 20:21

Cross post because reply is OT for original thread

Cosmo_R wrote: So: What are these reasons that India won't retaliate against Pakistan? A simple answer to a simple question. Please.

Most likely because the benefits of retaliation are not seen as worth the cost. Better returns are currently being seen from NOT retaliating. It would take a very long explanation to say all the factors that seem to point in this direction - but in brief - hitting Pakistan would be God's gift to Pakistan that could help it escape from its current predicament. This could of course change with time and hitting Pakistan may become necessary - but if you want to read my view of the current state of affairs in is on page 43 of this thread and the post is linked below.

At no time has the GoI used "US pressure on India" as an excuse for not hitting Pakistan. The situation is vastly more complex than that.

My post from page 43 - my current reading of the situation
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 7#p1076007

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 01 May 2011 21:37

Cosmo_R wrote: So: What are these reasons that India won't retaliate against Pakistan? A simple answer to a simple question. Please

Its obvious, because: Its exactly what TSP wants knowing fully well that India cannot win outright, India itself is a deeeply divided house and doesn't speak in one voice regarding TSP, they can threaten nuke war, and US & its poodles will love to step in and shape events in the interest of "world peace". Witness whats going on in Arab tin-pot lands.

But that said, India's policy is the extreme opposite under MMS. I would have liked a more nationalistic stance on this specious distinction between "global terrorism" & TSP terror against India. India should never have accepted that somehow so called Al Queda terrorism against whites is evil while pigLeT terrorism against us SDREs is because of TSP's "legitimate" interests. It is in meekly accepting this thesis that MMS & Co have caved in both to US pressure and out of their own volition given MMS/Sonia and their gang's "South Asian" predilection.