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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rohitvats » 02 Jun 2017 10:27

The initial Para Commando Battalions were raised with geographical specialization in mind. That is why 9 Para Cdo was stationed in Udhampur and 10 Para Cdo was based in Jodhpur. When 21 Para Cdo came into being, it went to north-east and is based in Chabua. 1 Para Cdo was AHQ strategic reserve and based in Nahan (Himachal Pradesh). It was experimented upon to create a true blue special forces battalion in early 80s. All other Para Cdo battalions subsequently shifted to this new SF pattern.

Somewhere along the line, geographic specialization was abolished. All SF battalions are capable of operating in all terrains. But pure common sense would tell you that guys based in Jodhpur with primary AOR in desert have an edge. Same for guys based in mountains.

Also, each SF battalion has a affinity to particular region when it comes to recruits. Jodhpur chaps have Jats, Rajput, Ahir, Gujjar, Yadavs etc while fellows in Udhampur have more of mountain tribes - Himachal, J&K, UK, Punjab etc.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Aditya G » 02 Jun 2017 13:36

The TOE of each battalion would be different as well, so while the individuals can operate in any environment the unit will have to be specialized. Eg: 10SF obviously has a lot of 4x4s and other desert warfare related stuff like camp nets.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 02 Jun 2017 14:05

>>Also, each SF battalion has a affinity to particular region when it comes to recruits. Jodhpur chaps have Jats, Rajput, Ahir, Gujjar, Yadavs etc while fellows in Udhampur have more of mountain tribes - Himachal, J&K, UK, Punjab etc.
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Most important point as Language / Cultural Training to existing Affinity is aligned.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rohitvats » 02 Jun 2017 17:38

Small correction - 21 Para SF is based in Jorhat, not Chabua. My bad.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Rishi Verma » 18 Jun 2017 09:18

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when did msd earn this? Did he jump?
I like the wording on his daughter's dress

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Manish_P » 18 Jun 2017 11:00

He did complete 1. Could not find confirmation about the other 4 (including 1 night jump)


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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby sum » 18 Jun 2017 13:47

FB "Shatrujeet" page has supposedly the only SG operators in combat gear pic(other than the one other famous pic of them in all black in some sort of HRT operation mode storming a dummy house)

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Aditya G » 21 Jun 2017 03:31

It shouldnt have taken a Pathankot to make this decision. Garuds should not only deploy in J&K, but also exhibit inter operability with IA in these ops.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/path ... 83201.html

...Garud commandos - the special forces of the Indian Air Force - who were first to interdict the terrorist on January 2, 2016, will now be deployed along the Indian Army in counter-terror operations in Jammu and Kashmir. "The Garuds are a competent force, but they need to battle hardened. Based on the inquiry report the government has decided to deploy them in Jammu and Kashmir for battle inoculation," top sources said.....

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Gaur » 16 Jul 2017 18:51

Many would remember Col SS Shekhawat, CO of 21 Para SF. It was really sad and frustrating to read the below article. Never knew that he was another victim in the whole Johrat mess. This along with the the TDS incident are 2 very damaging legacies of dirty politics in IA during UPA period.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/i-have-been-systematically-vicitimised-says-army-s-most-decorated-officer/story-Q3X3groo0FzkjoJOTRRjbM.html

India’s most decorated officer, Colonel Saurabh Singh Shekhawat, has accused two former army chiefs and a senior serving officer of victimising him for speaking up about a botched operation in 2011 that embarrassed the force.

The 45-year-old Shekhawat has named former chief Gen Bikram Singh, his successor Gen Dalbir Singh and Lt Gen Abhay Krishna in his complaint to the army headquarters.

“I am forced, with distress and disillusionment, to state that despite being highest decorated serving officer in the army with an unblemished operational profile, I have been systematically vicitimised by officers at the highest level,” Shekhawat has said in the letter, a copy of which is with Hindustan Times.

Shekhawat’s allegations have brought the focus back on the Jorhat operation that led to an all-out war among India’s top army officers and at one point even threatened to derail the force’s succession plan.

Gen Dalbir Singh and Lt Gen Krishna didn’t respond to repeated phone calls or messages. Gen Bikram Singh said he didn’t remember the case. “It is not right for me to comment also, as it’s more than three years that I have retired,” he told HT.

Shekhwat, who is on study leave and is pursuing research at the Delhi-based Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis, declined comment.

Such complaints usually take six to seven months to be processed, army sources said, refusing further comment. The complaint was made in April.

On the night of December 20, 2011, an army intelligence unit barged into the house of Jorhat-based businessman Surjit Gogoi on the suspicion he was working with the separatist United Liberation Front of Asom.

Gogoi, a contractor with the military engineering corps, was not home when the intelligence unit of the 3 Corps, which was based in neighbouring Nagland’s Dimapur, raided his home in the presence of his wife and other family members.

The soldiers allegedly took away cash, gold and mobile phones from his home, inviting allegations the raid was a robbery. Gogoi lodged a complaint that led to a police investigation.

His 21 para (SF) unit was based in Jorhat at that time but in a breach of procedure, the army intelligence unit didn’t inform his unit or local police about the operation, Shekhawat’s letter says.

He brought the incident to the notice of his superiors but they denied the army was involved.

He spoke to the then brigadier, general staff, Abhay Krishna, who “denied any involvement and asked me as to how do (did) I know that 3 CISU (the Intelligence Unit) had done such a thing? I was shocked by the reaction”.

The intelligence unit was under Krishna’s command. Bikram Singh was the eastern army commander and Dalbir Singh the 3 Corps commander. Krishna took charge of the southwestern command this January.

The intelligence unit raid caused an uproar and the then army chief Gen VK Singh, who is now a minister at the Centre, issued a showcause notice to Dalbir Singh, who was in line to be the army chief in 2014.

It threatened Dalbir Singh’s chances to lead the army. In an affidavit to the Supreme Court, he accused VK Singh of victimising him “with the sole purpose of denying promotion to the appointment of army commander”.

When he took over as the chief in May 2012, Gen Bikram Singh reversed VK Singh’s decision to bar Dalbir Singh from heading the Eastern Command, clearing his way to the force’s top job.

Similar allegations have now been made against Gen Dalbir Singh.“I learnt that directions were issued to my initiating officer to fix Col SS Shekhawat. This vindictive attitude continued when General Dalbir took over as army commander,” the letter says.

As the chief, Gen Dalbir Singh even got him dropped as the leader of an Indian Army expedition to Mount Everest in 2016. An avid mountaineer, Colonel Shekhawat has conquered the Everest thrice.

A part of the Indian Army’s elite special forces, Shekhawat has three gallantry awards to his name — Kirti Chakra, Shaurya Chakra and Sena Medal — and a Vishisht Sena Medal for distinguished service.
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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Gaur » 16 Jul 2017 18:54

One of many news videos featuring Col Shekhawat


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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby wig » 17 Jul 2017 14:59

SF target Pak troops, kill 5. excerpts from article in paper published from Jammu

At least 5 Pakistani soldiers were killed after Special Forces of Army targeted their vehicle along the Line of Control (LoC) in Furikiyan sector in district Kupwara today.
Sources said that Special Forces of Army (Paras) targeted a Pakistani army vehicle on Neelam Valley road today. The vehicle that was targeted by the Special Forces fell into Kishan Ganga river called as Neelam river by Pakistan which is the LoC in the sector.
They said five soldiers drowned in the river and one body has been recovered so far. “Pakistani troops were seen searching for the bodies in the river”, they said.

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/spl-force ... ps-kill-5/

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 17 Jul 2017 15:09

^^ this was retaliation for paki snipers killing two of our soldiers a week ago.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Aditya G » 23 Jul 2017 01:49

RN Kao and Brig Uban

*Rare pic* 8)

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby vikassh » 24 Jul 2017 14:09

Maj Gaurav introducing Para SF through this video. Some generalizations/observations:

- Sainik schools show good representation among officers.
- Officers can join Para SF from OTA as well.
- Youtube can be a good recruitment medium as it disseminates valuable information for future aspirants.
- Modified AKs also being used by para.


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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby sum » 31 Jul 2017 05:42

^^ Shatrujeet page in FB has posted a long story on the SG with some pics and promise to bring more on it as time follows.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby nits » 31 Jul 2017 12:50

Good Read - Posting from above mentioned Shatrujeet article - https://www.facebook.com/shatrujeet009/ ... =1&theater

Before you proceed with this article we would like to admit that this is a partial article .We have left things patchy on purpose,since there has always remain a veil of secrecy over Special Group ,it is for the general good of our nation that the mystery remain.Do keep in mind that this is not the final or end to the information regarding Special Group from us.We will keep on providing you with many interesting tit bits and photos of them in the future.
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Today we’re going to travel into the dark world of the most elite unit of India and become more cognizant about how this unit came into being, how its personnel are selected and what kind of operation they actually carry out.
“They don’t exist for acclaim to fame,
They don’t exist so that we can”
Mavericks, 4th Vikas ever heard these names?... These are the few sobriquets of the most elite unit of INDIA. The 4th battalion aka 4th vikas, Establishment 22(Special Frontier Force) is currently the only unit in India which classifies to be the Tier 1 unit.
Now let us descend into the history and begin from the point where this unit came into being.
The Director General (DG) Security, Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) in 1982 dispatched 500 SFF operatives along with over 500 Indian Army special forces to Sarsawa for Counter Terrorist training.During the early 1983 six officers from the SG paid a visit to a secret base of Sayeret Matkal (Israel’s finest Special Forces) and trained there for 22 days and this experience was further inculcated in its training. These men formed the nucleus of an ultra-elite and highly classified new detachment, known as the Special Group. It is a volunteer force and persons are inducted only after a very tough probation and selection process. These men now detached from the usual chain of army command took orders from the cabinet secretariat or secretary (research). This unit’s existence was denied for many years but was lately accepted.
The SFF Special Group's headquarters is supported by an Intelligence and Planning wing, a Training wing and a specialist Signals Troop which is solely responsible for support operations. Having four squadrons each made up of around 100 troopers, which are further divided into four troops. Each troop has a specialized role. The Special Group has a wide range of responsibilities, each requiring specific training and disciplines.Beside combat and covert ops they are also actively involved in intelligence gathering.
Special Group is also the parent unit of elite National Security Guards (NSG). The NSG was raised after SG participated in Operation Bluestar. It was thought that a paramilitary force not under the Ministry of Defence should be used for counter terrorism operations internally. The NSG is thus led by an IPS officer and comes under the Ministry of Home Affairs, even though the commandos who lead operations are themselves from the army.
After the assassination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi in October 1984, a review was undertaken by a Committee of Secretaries and it was decided to entrust security of the Prime Minister to the Special Group under unitary and direct control of a designated Officer.These decisions were taken as short term measures. On 18th February 1985, the Birbal Nath Committee went into the issue in its entirety and submitted its recommendations for raising a Special Protection Unit (S.P.U.).99 Accordingly on 30th March 1985, the President of India created 819 posts for the unit under the Cabinet Secretariat. The SPU was then re-christened, Special Protection Group, and the post of I.G.P. was re-designated as Director.
The Special Group, along with the Special Protection Group (SPG) were the pioneers at close protection (CP) duties in India, having developed many of the protocols themselves, unique to the Indian subcontinent.
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The main areas of training of the Special Group are :
Mountain: Experts in mountain and Arctic warfare, these men are trained to survive and fight in extreme conditions. Mountain troops' skills can be called on anywhere from the Siachen Glacier to the Himalayan ranges in the east. They are also known to have trained in the famed German Alpine Guides course at the Mountain Warfare School at Mittenwald and the High Altitude Warfare School at Gulmarg reaching proficiency levels that rival the best climbers in the world.
Amphibious: These troop's combat divers are the outfit's amphibious experts. In essence, it provides a comparable amphibious warfare capability to the SFF as the MARCOS provide to the Indian Navy.
Air : Air Troop is the Special Group's free-fall parachuting specialists, tasked with jumping behind enemy lines, either on their own missions or to pave the way for other squadron troops. Air Troop also employ less conventional forms of air insertion such as micro-lites and powered parachutes. For HALO/HAHO combat jumps skydivers use square -type RAM parachutes which are more maneuverable also allow for softer, controlled landings than the standard round chutes.
Jungle warfare: Jungle operations are considered to be one of the toughest in the world and more men here fall to nature than the enemy. The Special Group's Jungle troopers are the masters in jungle craft. They are skilled at carrying out deep interdiction and search and destroy operations for extended periods of time.
Hand to hand combat -the personal of SG are expert fighters even with their bare hands .They undergo rigorous training in various martial arts which transform their body into a lethal weapon.Pekiti-Tirsia Kali and Krav Maga are few among the various martial arts these operators have perfected and hone their skills with.A SG personal becomes so adept in these that he becomes a living ,breathing and walking weapon himself,he is capable of ending a life in mere three seconds with his bare hands.
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Weapons and gear -
Special Group is the force of Cabinet Secretariat,they have unlimited fund at their disposal ,there is no dearth of money.Whatever they require or wish for is provided to them ,as a result they have wide array of equipments and weapons in their inventory,some of them only available to them in the entire nation.We can't reveal everything as it is highly classified .
Still here is a glimpse of their weapons (Do note that these are just few and not all the weapons in their inventory)-
Primary weapon (Assault rifles) Tavor,Galil ace,Scar,M4,AK,styer aug etc
Side arm IWI 941 Jericho and few more
Helmet - Ballistic FAST helmet,Advance combat helmet,Patka etc.Their helmets have provision of all type of accessory and have comms integrated into them.
Vest - they have a wide variety of vest with the latest modular variety of it being available to them ,including the ones which are not present with anyone else in our country.
Weapon optics - A variety of optics found worldover is present with them ,to name a few -eotech holographic sight ,aim point,acog ,Mepro etc
Uniform and combat fatigue - They wear all black combat dress ,but depending on the situation and terrain requirements they have a wide array of combat dress available to them in different camo pattern.
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Now talking about their operations…
RAW had all its bases covered, except one. It still felt the need for a very small unit of highly elite Special Forces soldiers and officers. This unit would carry out what is commonly known as “black ops”, an oft-used euphuism for selective operations with total and absolute deniability. These operations would be so sensitive and secret that the Government of India would never own up to them. It would bluntly deny any knowledge of the operation. This unit would not exist on paper. It would be a “ghost unit”.-Major Gaurav Arya.
Well there is literally nothing known about their operations from the time these guys were raised to the current date except for Operation blue star, it is believed that SG operatives masquerading as pilgrims entered the golden temple and gathered essential intelligence about the layout of the temple. Special Group teams regularly conduct CT operations in troubled Kashmir against militants on specific intelligence inputs.There are 3 operational Units and 1 reserve or TB battalion. Out of the operational units one is permanently deployment for counter Insurgency ops and rotates among itself for foreign deployment famous being the military advisers of Northern alliance against Taliban in 90s
Speculations or conspiracy theories do impeach this unit for its role in some infamous clandestine operations but fact of the matter is that none of it can neither be confirmed nor denied, that’s how these guys work.
Although all the raids and operations of Special Group remain under a thick veil of secrecy and anonymity ,still ,we can tell you about a revenge raid carried out by them.Which was in direct response to a very famous case of beheading carried out by Pakistani BAT at the LOC.In the cross border raid carried out by them they had assassinated the Hizbul Mujahideen Commander responsible for the beheading along with four of his bodyguards in Pakistan.(We will write an article about this raid in future)
But suffice to say that while the world has recently heard the term such as surgical strikes or Seal team ops killing Osama Bin Laden, SG guys are doing this for decades.
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How to identify these guys?
Well this might be the question that must be troubling you right? How to know whether this guy belongs to SG, during combat deployment it is impossible to ID these guys, they might look like normal infantry men or a general Kashmiri. The only way to identify these guys is with the help of the Special Group badge(PHOTO ATTACHED BELOW) .A soldier sporting this badge has definitely served in the SG, many brave officers and men who served in SG are now in public domain like Major Udai Singh (martyr),Major Amit Deswal (martyr) and lance naik Om Prakash(martyr).(Photos attached below)
What makes these guys so SPECIAL?
The personnel selected for this unit is ought to be one of the finest in their respective battalions, their training is obscure, though the selection process for this unit is kept under tight wraps and so does the current strength, the men from this unit directly take orders from the PMO. They have hands on the most sophisticated and advance weaponry of the world, and their demand for any equipment is fulfilled as soon as possible.
Albeit this unit is one of the most secretive unit and we still accept its existence hesitantly but still it does not forgets to honor it’s fallen members,
Attached below is picture of the “Letter of condolence” written by the then Commanding Officer of SG to the family of Major Udai Singh.
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Conclusion
Cross border raids is a regular routine for these guys , operations undertook by them and their activities are so secret that even the army is not aware about these most of the time. The high risk ops are so covert and against such odds, that many a time it may put a fictional novel to shame.But these things have never come out and never will(though we might reveal some). These guys are not some superheroes wearing capes, but normal men who stand apart from the rest by the virtue of their determination ,will power and their "junoon"(madness) .These men are trained to the core and have perfected their abilities over the time.They have honed their skills under fire and have mastered the art of slaughtering .By constantly working under pressure they have stretched the limit of human mental toughness,physical abilities and prowess to its extreme .They have made the smell of burning human flesh and sight of fresh human blood part and parcel of their life.When it comes to facing high risk and grave danger to life ,these are the men nation look to.These are the men who form the tip of the spear ,while projecting India's power.They are ready to kill or die in the line of duty,without seeking any glory or fame,they fight tirelessly in the shadows,so that the Nation remains.
Jai Hind!
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Pics included :-
1. #shatrujeet009 exclusive pic of SG operator
2. Old pic of SG operator
3. " killing ground" in PoK across LoC which was raided by SG and "others" back in 1998
4. Miscellaneous pics of SG martyrs
5 Condolence letter of the Special Group commander ,written to major Udai Singh Parents..
In the end we would like to thank an anonymous Ghost and the Guardian of Team Shatrujeet who helped us with his valuable inputs in writing this post.
Jai Hind

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby sum » 18 Aug 2017 05:54

Dont think this was posted before:
New Unit of Marcos ambushed in Kashmir, Exclusive Pics and News

The new team will have to adapt the condition while the already deployed unit will also stay there with them for a while, the team was ambushed on an L-shaped road near a village. Luckily all marcos reached their location safely. Commander of the team got extremely lucky when his camelback stopped a bullet. In the ambush, Indian Army lost 2 JCO’s and 6 other soldiers got injured.

So some of the army convoy ambushes werent actually random but targetting the specific targets like MARCOs etc!! :shock:

It is not happening for the first time with marcos, sometimes ago another unit of Marcos was ambushed during their first day of deployment. That day Marcos lost U.C. Panigrahi, he was shot dead by a headshot just after he left his vehicle.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 18 Aug 2017 13:56

^^ from the above article seems the Unit was Ambushed in Transit to their FOB? and not during an Operational Deployment.

Wrong place wrong time i guess.

However,

An interesting article I once read by a Ranger/USASF about Seals talking about how SEALs are great in DA and Recce missions but if they get stuck in a firefight they need somebody to extract them. Their successes in successfully overcoming ambushes is lower than Army SOFs.

The primary reason being that an Army SOF soldier is first and foremost an elite infantry man. Having spent much time practicing and mastering Infantry fieldcraft in regular line units, then airborne then ranger and finally SOF. On the other hand SEALs go from Basic Infantry training to SOF training in 0-60 and leaves them lacking in mastering many aspects of basic infantry competence.

Thats why today Ranger QRTs are a permanent feature for any SEAL deployment.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Viv S » 18 Aug 2017 14:37

rkhanna wrote:Thats why today Ranger QRTs are a permanent feature for any SEAL deployment.

Some of that may be the nature of mission. You go out lightly loaded to be fast and precise - no heavy weapons. Which is optimal.. unless you get bogged down.

Which kinda reminds me of the SF vs Ranger HRT joke.

(Mods: OT but please excuse.)

The Chief of Staff of the Army asked his Sergeant Major, who was both Ranger and Special Forces qualified, which organization he would recommend to form a new anti-terrorist unit. The Sergeant Major responded to the General's question with this parable: If there were a hijacked Boeing 747 being held by terrorists along with its passengers and crew and an anti-terrorist unit formed either by the Rangers or the Special Forces was given a Rescue/Recovery Mission; what would you expect to happen?

Ranger Option

Forces/Equipment Committed: If the Rangers went in, they would send a Ranger company of 120 men with standard army issue equipment.

Mission Preparation: The Ranger Company First Sergeant would conduct a Hair Cut and Boots Inspection, while the officers consulted SOPs and held sand table exercises.

Infiltration Technique: They would insist on double timing, in company formation, wearing their combat equipment, and singing cadence all the way to the site of the hijacked aircraft.

Actions in the Objective Area: Once they arrived, the Ranger company would establish their ORP, put out security elements, conduct a leaders recon, reapply their camouflage, and conduct final preparations for Actions on the OBJ.

Results of Operation: The Rescue/Recovery Operation would be completed within one hour; all of the terrorists and most of the passengers would have been killed, the Rangers would have sustained light casualties and the 747 would be worthless to anyone except a scrap dealer.

Special Forces Option

Forces/Equipment Committed: If Special Forces went in, they would send only a 12 man team (all SF units are divisible by 12 for some arcane historical reason) however, due to the exotic nature of their equipment the SF Team would cost the same amount to deploy as the Ranger Company.

Mission Preparation: The SF Team Sergeant would request relaxed grooming standards for the team. All members of the team would spend a grueling afternoon at a quality spa ensuring physical abilities would be honed.

Infiltration Technique: The team would insist on separate travel orders with Max Per Diem, and each would get to the site of the hijacking by his own means. At least one third of the team would insist on jumping in HALO.

Actions in the Objective Area: Once they arrived , the SF Team would cache their military uniforms, establish a Team Room at the best hotel in the area, use their illegal Team Fund to stock the unauthorized Team Room Bar, check out the situation by talking to the locals, and have a Team Meeting to discuss the merits of the terrorists' cause.

Results of Operation: The Rescue/Recovery Operation would take two weeks to complete and by that time all of the terrorists would have been killed, (and would have left signed confessions); the passengers would be ruined psychologically for the remainder of their lives; and all of the women passengers would be pregnant. The 747 would be essentially unharmed, the team would have taken no casualties but would have used up, lost, or stolen all the "high speed" equipment issued to them.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby sum » 04 Sep 2017 06:57

Was this ever posted here? Huge lowdown on the SG with loads of pics:
SPECIAL GROUP (4 VIKAS) : India’s Clandestine Unit

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby nash » 04 Sep 2017 15:28

Livefist‏Verified account @livefist 48s49 seconds ago

NEWSBREAK: Indian Special Forces operation underway on Arunachal-Myanmar border, one NSCN (Khaplang) man killed. More details awaited.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 04 Sep 2017 15:37

Amazing that live SpecOps are announced on twitter.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 04 Sep 2017 15:52

it was announced at 2:54AM hope it was not during ops in progress

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Aditya G » 04 Sep 2017 16:38

sum wrote:Was this ever posted here? Huge lowdown on the SG with loads of pics:
SPECIAL GROUP (4 VIKAS) : India’s Clandestine Unit


I think it was Col MP Choudhary who founded/formed Special Group.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 04 Sep 2017 17:06

Aditya G wrote:
sum wrote:Was this ever posted here? Huge lowdown on the SG with loads of pics:
SPECIAL GROUP (4 VIKAS) : India’s Clandestine Unit


I think it was Col MP Choudhary who founded/formed Special Group.


That is correct. He was an ex 10SF officer and his tasking to raise SG was called Project Sunray. 6 men spent time with Sayeret Matkal.

Rumour has that Israeli help was a sort of Thank you for Indian "Support" during the Entebbe operation.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Karthik S » 04 Sep 2017 17:34

rkhanna wrote:Rumour has that Israeli help was a sort of Thank you for Indian "Support" during the Entebbe operation.


Indian support during Opn Entebbe? Is it possible to elaborate further here.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 04 Sep 2017 17:50

Karthik S wrote:
rkhanna wrote:Rumour has that Israeli help was a sort of Thank you for Indian "Support" during the Entebbe operation.


Indian support during Opn Entebbe? Is it possible to elaborate further here.



My understanding is that Indian Intelligence had unique access and Intelligence on Dada Amin and the hostage situation. Indian Intelligence was active in Uganda since the early 70s because of Amin's actions against the Indian Dispora. This Intelligence was fed to the Israelis in planning their operation.

India's pro-Arab stance and diplomatic relations has ensured non-disclosure.

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Postby Karthik S » 04 Sep 2017 18:00

Thanks.

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Postby sum » 04 Sep 2017 18:01

This was listed in the other article on SG posted in the elite predators website.
Else there was no reason for Israel to allow access to their crown jewels to a pro Arab nation like India

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Postby sum » 04 Sep 2017 18:11

One soldier KIA in surgical strike in Myanmar as per tweets

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^^
Arunachal rebel camp raided
https://www.telegraphindia.com/1170905/jsp/frontpage/story_170813.jsp

The 21 Special Forces battalion today launched the operation at 7.30am following specific inputs about the presence of NSCN (K) militants along the border near Longding district of Arunachal Pradesh.

Troops of 21 Para SF and 16 Assam Rifles killed an NSCN (K) cadre and injured another near Votnu village under Wakka circle in the district. The encounter site is around 15km from the Indo-Myanmar border.

A 21 Para SF personnel was also injured in the operation, army sources told The Telegraph.

An Assam Rifles press release said security forces also destroyed a temporary shelter and recovered an AK-47 riffle with ammunition.

"Several other militants managed to escape into the nearby dense forest because of dense fog in the area. The special forces recovered an AK-56, a radio set and a hand grenade, along with live bullets. During a combing operation, the forces located a camp of the rebels and destroyed it," said an official in the army headquarters.

Army chief Bipin Rawat, who met Union minister of state for home Kiren Rijiju at his North Block office later in the day, told reporters that the latest operation by security forces against NSCN (K) along the India-Myanmar border was "normal operations".

"These are normal and routine operations. Such operations happen everyday," he said.


"The operation is still under way to locate some of the militants who managed to flee. There were no casualties among our own forces," the army official added.

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Postby Singha » 05 Sep 2017 09:49

seems to me these forest based militias in NE are no longer in a position to challenge the state apparatus...but they take advantage of terrain and sparse and far flung hamlets to extort money from govt officials, businessmen, contractors, run some drug smuggling and use that as a living wage, while cream gets sent to their leaders in myanmar and yunnan border tracts.

in effect they are just well armed rural goondas no different from any other part of india and not some 'revolutionary front' or 'separatists'

the lean pickings in their camp does not indicate a high level of prosperity or infra.

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Postby Gaur » 05 Sep 2017 10:03

^^
True. Though terrorists had largely been defanged since then, Operation All Clear in 2003 broke their back.

One almost forgets that it was mortally dangerous for army personnel to go out for even grocery shopping back in a day. As a reminder of that, almost all Military Vehicles for personal transportation are painted white even now.

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Postby Sid » 05 Sep 2017 11:26

^^ it was Op Rhino in early 90s which cleared ULFA, and other groups, out from Indian border. It was much worse in North east, Kashmir pales in comparison to it.

I wonder why NE never got media's attention even though these groups had active support from China.

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Postby Aditya G » 09 Sep 2017 17:19

Can this be ordered abroad?

http://m.hindustantimes.com/books/india ... P_amp.html


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But in September 2016, when the Indian government officially announced that the army’s special forces units had conducted “surgical strikes” across the Line of Control, we knew that this was a story that needed to be told, not just in broad strokes, but in as much detail as humanly possible. Not in recent memory – and certainly not in this new digital world of ours – had a military operation galvanised and captivated an entire country. When we requested the Army to allow us access to top secret files on the surgical strikes, we expected to be laughed out of their headquarters. We heard nothing. For seven months, not a scrap of paper was shared with us. We knew it was a long shot. And that’s why nothing prepared us for the meeting we would be invited to in April this year in a basement chamber at South Block.


The man we met was an Army officer, one among thousands of Majors in service. Lean, dressed in brown boots, tan trousers and a full-sleeved white shirt with a tie, he sported a full beard and a half smile on his face. This was the man who had led the surgical strikes in 2016. Speaking for the first time to journalists about the mission, his words would be the first on-record account of what happened, recounted by the very man who led the explosive mission. The interview, which leads India’s Most Fearless, isn’t just the first official account, but provides depth and detail unknown earlier beyond a very small group of soldiers and officers.


Wing Commander Gaurav Bikram Singh Chauhan ( Courtesy India’s Most Fearless )
As we began to write about the surgical strikes, we remained immersed in the effortless heroism of the Major and the teams he led into Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. It became our quest, therefore, to expand the scope of our book to tell as many stories as possible, shine a light on as many of modern India’s military heroes as we possibly could. Men who most of us know only very briefly when they receive gallantry awards on Republic Day – or when their stoic, grieving widows receive an Army salute at Delhi’s Parade Grounds. We therefore sought out a list of heroes from the Army, Navy and Air Force, of men whose breathtaking acts of dauntlessness we felt needed to be recorded and told before they were blurred by the passage of time. It wasn’t difficult to find these heroes.

Like the Lieutenant Colonel who led a terrifying cross-border attack into Myanmar in 2015 to avenge the massacre of Indian Army soldiers in Manipur that year. For this book, he too was permitted to speak for the first time. As Prime Minister Modi logged a historic visit to Myanmar this past week, this chapter acquires even greater significance as it captures in first-hand detail a mission that could have well ended in disaster on foreign soil. Both our countries will hear for the first time what happened during that legendary operation on Burmese territory.

The two surgical strikes chapters will raise many questions for observers and analysts, but they end all arguments on the government’s formal stand on them. Not only did they happen, but the world will now hear about them for the first time in full detail – not just beyond journalistic ‘sources’, but in the words of the very men who led the missions, speaking on the record. Speculation about the chapters has already led to a buzz and condemnation across the border in Pakistan, that has staunchly denied that the 2016 surgical strikes even happened. On the strength of these first hand accounts, it remains to be seen if the Modi government will decide to further proffer photographic or other proof of the operations. For now, these chapters propose the most direct wager to Islamabad

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Gaur » 09 Sep 2017 18:37

^^
Should be. It is listed at amazon.com (US) as "temporarily out of stock". I guess one should be able to order post its release date of 20 Sep.

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Postby Rakesh » 09 Sep 2017 20:56

Amazon.ca has the book for sale.

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Postby Picklu » 12 Sep 2017 02:02

no kindle edition :(

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Postby Guddu » 12 Sep 2017 05:11

18$ on Amazon, USA

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Postby shaun » 12 Sep 2017 08:10

i have ordered mine ...will get it in between 23rd nd 27th .. :)


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