Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 02 Jan 2011 08:01

I sometimes get invited to certain functions whenever I am in NYC. I sometimes wondered how is it possible the for a nation that is in doldrums a preety big number of Pakis happen to be working as fund managers or generally in preety tight seats in many of the investment offices littering Wall Street. I never bothered to find out but at a NYE party last night a Paki himself offered me the answer. The banks like to hire people who can bring in lots of money (not one or two million but in tens of millions if not hundreds of millions) from potential clients. Pakis happen to be good at it not because they have great marketing vis-a-vis American clients their TFTA attitude notwithstanding but because Paki Rapes have links to lots of Paki rapes in Satan land who have tons and tons of mattress money that need to be washed and recycled. Who would be better conduit to tap this money than a Paki fund manager.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 02 Jan 2011 08:21

asprinzl wrote:I sometimes wondered how is it possible the for a nation that is in doldrums a preety big number of Pakis happen to be working as fund managers or generally in preety tight seats in many of the investment offices littering Wall Street.

Man, you cracked me up. Even I always wondered how is it there are so many Pakis on Wall st with connection high up in US govt. You provide some insight into this.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 02 Jan 2011 08:36

A_Gupta wrote:Israel and Pakistan are the two twentieth-century states founded around religion. Sadly, Israel is turning fundamentalist.
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/ ... ist-future

State power and religion interact in an unhealthy way - the wreck may be faster and more certain with Islam, but it happens nonetheless.

IMO the Pakis are condemned to be an Islamic fundamentalist state because of the very nature of their interpretation of Islam. Pakis will not be a modern progressive state in a million years without serious reform to their brand of Islam. Other nations created in the name of religion do not have the same problem as the Pakis do.

Hinduism was the state religion of Nepal but IMO it never created any problem similar to Pakistan. Israel too can never be anything like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 02 Jan 2011 09:45

A_Gupta wrote:Israel and Pakistan are the two twentieth-century states founded around religion. Sadly, Israel is turning fundamentalist.
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/ ... ist-future

State power and religion interact in an unhealthy way - the wreck may be faster and more certain with Islam, but it happens nonetheless.

The article has hardly anything to say by way of facts other than some superficial observations about the increasing 'orthodoxy' of Israel. If this increased orthodoxy had any effect on the following, I would have seen some basis for comparison with Pakistan / Islam:

1. Any evidence of the orthodoxy impacting the Jewish affinity for the sciences, technology and academic excellence?
2. Any evidence of it affecting the entrepreneurship that has produced over 100 NYSE/Nasdaq listed success stories?
3. Any evidence that it negatively effects internal human rights or women's rights in the mould of Wahabbi Islam or the Taliban?
4. Any evidence that orthodox Jews are interested in expansionism and spreading their religion beyond their restricted numbers?

About the only thing that can be said is that they are getting more aggressive in international relations.

I find this attempt at moral equivalency between TSP / Islam and Israel / Jewish orthodoxy completely untenable.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Jan 2011 10:27

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... tle-result

“Recent US intelligence estimates have concluded that he (Gen. Kayani) is unlikely to change his mind anytime soon,” The Washington Post said in a dispatch, headlined: ‘Pakistan’s top general vexes US’. “Despite the entreaties, Kayani doesn’t trust US motivations and is hedging his bets in case the American strategy for Afghanistan fails,” the newspaper said, citing American officials.Noting that Kayani is viewed as the most powerful man in Pakistan, the newspaper said the US has “yet to persuade him to undertake what its strategy review concluded is a key to success in the Afghan war - the elimination of havens inside Pakistan where the Taliban plots and stages attacks on coalition troops in Afghanistan.”
In a joint dispatch, The Washington Post staff writers, Karin Brulliard and Karen DeYoung, wrote: “Kayani, who has more direct say over the country’s security strategy than its president or prime minister, has resisted personal appeals from President (Barrack) Obama, US military commanders and senior diplomats. Recent US intelligence estimates have concluded that he is unlikely to change his mind anytime soon.”
“In many ways, Kayani is the personification of the vexing problem posed by Pakistan. Like the influential military establishment he represents, he views Afghanistan on a timeline stretching far beyond the US withdrawal, which is slated to begin this summer. While the Obama administration sees the insurgents as an enemy force to be defeated as quickly and directly as possible, Pakistan has long regarded them as useful proxies in protecting its western flank from inroads by India, its historical adversary.
“Kayani wants to talk about the end state in South Asia,” said one of several Obama administration officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity about the sensitive relationship. The US generals, the official said, “want to talk about the next drone attacks

“In recent months, Kayani has sometimes become defiant. When US-Pakistani tensions spiked in September, after two Pakistani soldiers were killed by an Afghanistan-based American helicopter gunship pursuing insurgents on the wrong side of the border, he personally ordered the closure of the main frontier crossing for US military supplies into Afghanistan, according to the US and Pakistani officials.
“In October, administration officials choreographed a White House meeting for Kayani at which Obama could directly deliver his message of urgency. The army chief heard him out, then provided a 13-page document updating Pakistan’s strategic perspective and noting the gap between short-term US concerns and Pakistan’s long-term interests, according to the US officials.“As the Obama administration struggles to assess the fruits of its investment in Pakistan, some officials said the US now accepts that pleas and military assistance will not change Kayani’s thinking. Mullen and Richard C. Holbrooke, who served as the administration’s special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan until his death last month, thought that ‘getting Kayani to trust us enough’ to be honest constituted progress,” one official said. “But what Kayani has honestly told them, the official said, is: “I don’t trust you.”

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Jan 2011 10:30

US drones killed 2,043 in 5 years
( That is Chinese made 17496 Virgins going to work daily)
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... in-5-years

ISLAMABAD - As many as 2,043 people, mostly civilians, were killed in US drone attacks during the last five years, while 929 causalities were reported only in 2010 in FATA, reveals a research report.
The yearly report of Conflict Monitoring Centre (CMC) released on Saturday reveals some eye-popping details about the CIA's notorious drone hit campaign in north-western parts of Pakistan.
It terms the CIA's drone hits as 'assassination campaign turning out to be revenge campaign' and shows that 2010 was the deadliest year ever of causalities resulted in drone-hits in Pakistan. According to the report, the number of drone attacks in 2010 was far greater than those of collective number of hits in last five years. In 2010, 134 drone attacks till December 30 were reported, killing 929 people as compared to 96 drone hits killing 1,114 people from 2004 to 2009. December 17 was the deadliest day of 2010 when three drone attacks killed 54 people in Khyber Agency. Last year's 93 days witnessed drone attacks, which means approximately every 4th day of the year saw a drone attack. As many as 115 of total 134 drone attacks were carried out in NWA while SWA saw nine drone attacks. Khyber Agency that was previously untouched by drones was hit twice in December killing 62 people, the document reports. Regarding civilian causalities and attacks on women and children, the report mentions, "People in the tribal belt usually carry guns and ammunition as a tradition. US drone will identify anyone carrying a gun as a militant and subsequently he will be killed."

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 Jan 2011 10:53

Gagan wrote: Also, Nadeem Taj (not Pasha) was ISI chief at that time, and he did the standard CYA (Cover Your A$$) operation, by meeting BB on the morning of the assassination to tell her to be careful that day, because there was possibly a plan to take her out.
Maybe that is why Nadeem Taj was replaced by Pasha by Kiyani.

Nadeem Taj was replaced when it became clear that Pakis were involved in the attack on Indian embassy in Kabul. At that time Gilani tried to take over ISI. I guess both Pinkie's murder and Kabul attack were important factors.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 02 Jan 2011 11:49

Prem wrote:“Kayani wants to talk about the end state in South Asia,” said one of several Obama administration officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity about the sensitive relationship.

US anal-ysts are reading BR, in particular my posts. This is exactly what TSP wants. They think they have US by its b@lls, and want to milk their statis as Munna and all-lie to go back to 1947 and design a suitable re-birth of TSP, of course on the dead body of India. As much as US is on this deliberate diabolical equal equal path, I get that faint feeling that maybe, just maybe, TSP is taking a big gamble by punching above its weight even with US. (With us SDREs, TSP's deadly punching has resulted in an effective stalemate with a definite edge to TSP: 1000s of PigLeTs + Chines nukes + NoDongs + Islam), and sooner or later, there is a very slim chance that US will abandon its equal equal and see that despite our SDRE looks, us Indians are the good guys for all our faults

. Thats when AfPak will be solved in leass than the time I took writing this.

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Jan 2011 12:36

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

This Op Ed should be made mandatory reading for all citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Hani Shukrallah former editor of the Egypt’s English-language Al-Ahram Weekly in an OpEd holds up a mirror to his Egyptian Muslim co-relgionists and the picture is not pretty:

I accuse a government that seems to think that by outbidding the Islamists it will also outflank them. ............................

I accuse those state bodies who believe that by bolstering the Salafi trend they are undermining the Muslim Brotherhood, and who like to occasionally play to bigoted anti-Coptic sentiments, presumably as an excellent distraction from other more serious issues of government.

But most of all, I accuse the millions of supposedly moderate Muslims among us; those who’ve been growing more and more prejudiced, inclusive and narrow minded with every passing year.

I accuse those among us who would rise up in fury over a decision to halt construction of a Muslim Center near ground zero in New York, but applaud the Egyptian police when they halt the construction of a staircase in a Coptic church in the Omranya district of Greater Cairo..............................

I accuse you all, because in your bigoted blindness you cannot even see the violence to logic and sheer common sense that you commit; that you dare accuse the whole world of using a double standard against us, and are, at the same time, wholly incapable of showing a minimum awareness of your own blatant double standard. ............................

Read it all in Al Ahram:

J’accuse

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 02 Jan 2011 16:23

A_Gupta wrote:Israel and Pakistan are the two twentieth-century states founded around religion. Sadly, Israel is turning fundamentalist.
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/ ... ist-future

State power and religion interact in an unhealthy way - the wreck may be faster and more certain with Islam, but it happens nonetheless.

A fatally flawed article.

There is a difference between a home for the Jews and a Jewish state.
Israel is a home for the Jews but surprisingly there exists no
consitutionally support for the creation of a Jewish state. In Pakistan on
the other hand everything in the state is consitutionally bound by the
tenents of the Koran, correct?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jan 2011 16:35

Pakistan's Compulsive Hostility will not Help Relations: SM Krishna

In a forthright message to Pakistan, India, on Sunday, said its posture of “compulsive hostility” will not help a “serious and sustained” dialogue between the two countries.

Noting that the country “walked the extra mile in reaching out” to its neighbours, External Affairs Minister S. M. Krishna said, “We earnestly hope that our neighbour would see the merit in constructive engagement and discard the posture of compulsive hostility.”

During an interview with PTI , the minister said, “Our only expectation from Pakistan is to dismantle the terror infrastructure that operates from the territories under its control. A serious and sustained dialogue can thrive only in a peaceful and terror-free climate.”

On the visit of his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi to India, Mr. Krishna said, “I look forward to his visit”, but refused to comment whether it will be this month as indicated earlier.

He also noted that India was willing to discuss all issues with Pakistan through a bilateral dialogue.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jan 2011 17:23

US will ultimately stop drone attacks: Gilani

Only a Pakistani PM can make such a statement and only other Pakistanis can gulp it.

Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani on Saturday took a swipe at critics of the government who advocate a tit-for-tat reply to US drone attacks, explaining “we are trying to convince Washington that these strikes will eventually prove counter-productive”.

“Pakistan is a responsible nuclear state which cannot take any irresponsible step to stop US Predator attacks. We are, however, confident that we will be able to persuade the world and the US to stop the drone attacks as they affect attempts to isolate militants from non-combatants,” Mr Gilani said

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 02 Jan 2011 17:36

Prospective suicide bombers, of Islam, better be warned. The prophet never said, that they will get Doe eyed virgins, with heavy chests. There is a new interpretation, coming in from a linguist named Christoph Luxenberg, that suggest, that prophet actually meant " white raisins and wine" ?
What this man is trying to explain, is that, Koran is a mixture of Aramic and Arabic. About 30% of Koran has Aramic words.

I think this evident to many who have read Koran, there are many areas which are incomprehensible. this German, tried to understand why? Pakistanis have however banned this book.
http://www.goethe.de/ges/phi/prj/ffs/th ... 184094.htm

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Jan 2011 19:00

Arjun wrote: 1. Any evidence of the orthodoxy impacting the Jewish affinity for the sciences, technology and academic excellence?

Yes there is such evidence. Will give you a pointer after saying the following:

a. Why I brought up Israel in the Pakistan thread is to point out a dynamic that exists with state power and religion.
b. Nepal is hardly an example of successful state power mixed with religion. AFAIK, it has succumbed to the Maoists.

Coming back to Israel, the ultra-orthodox schools do not teach science or math. The ultra-orthodox are an increasing percentage of the population.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10369998

http://www.theage.com.au/world/israels- ... 1236a.html

http://blackchristiannews.com/news/2010 ... nment.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noah-efro ... 90651.html

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 02 Jan 2011 20:51

Arjun wrote: The article has hardly anything to say by way of facts other than some superficial observations.

Mother Jones is left of left wing.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 02 Jan 2011 21:00

A_Gupta wrote: a. Why I brought up Israel in the Pakistan thread is to point out a dynamic that exists with state power and religion.
b. Nepal is hardly an example of successful state power mixed with religion. AFAIK, it has succumbed to the Maoists.

Coming back to Israel, the ultra-orthodox schools do not teach science or math. The ultra-orthodox are an increasing percentage of the population.

The dynamic that exists with state power and religion combining depends on the nature of the religion. So, while in general a combination of the two is not a good idea, the precise nature of the resultant beast depends a lot on the religion in question.

The links regarding Jewish orthodoxy and their attitudes to science were insightful. But while it does show there to be a serious problem with the Jewish orthdoxy, it still does not make the issue comparable to Islamic orthodoxy.

Here's a quote from one of your links, regarding Jewish orthodoxy: "In contrast, the battles over school curricula in Israel concern practice. No ultra-orthodox leader has attacked scientific ideas, nor have any even suggested that science is not valuable. None have said that science courses teach heresies. Their point is not that they refuse to teach sciences because they are not true; their point is that they should not be forced to teach sciences, even though they are true. This is a distinction that makes a difference."

Here's a quote from another site regarding Islamic orthodoxy and science: "The use of the human faculty of reason itself, upon which the Western Enlightenment was based, is considered to be a form of heresy in Islam. This is why literacy, science and mathematics have often been regarded by the ulama (the scholars in Islam) as a threat to Islam."

Christian orthodoxy regards evolution as a heresy.

While the Jewish orthodoxy attitute to science is deeply troubling and needs to be addressed - it cannot be equated with the Muslim orthodox attitude, or even the Christian one.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Jan 2011 21:28

We are veering OT with the Jewish and christian discussions on this dhaga.

Meanwhile:
Afghan envoys head to Pakistan for peace talks

KABUL — Afghan efforts to broker peace with the Taliban enter a new phase this week with the first scheduled visit of envoys to Islamabad, part of a growing recognition that the process hinges on Pakistan.

Afghanistan's ex-president Burhanuddin Rabbani takes a group from President Hamid Karzai's High Council for Peace to neighbouring Pakistan Tuesday for talks with President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani.

Key Taliban figures are believed to be hiding out in Pakistan's wild border regions, while experts say agents from its powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) have protected or even controlled the militants for years.

Nice to see the new standard line in the media about the ISI and 'militants'. Need to elevate that to ISI and terrorists.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 Jan 2011 21:38

And...
Possibility of another round of peace talks brewing between Pakistan and kufr India
Pakistan, India cannot afford war, says Gilani

India and Pakistan cannot afford war, Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has said, stressing that dialogue is the only way to resolve outstanding issues between the two neighbours. Responding to a question on India-Pakistan relationship during his maiden appearance in a live television show, the prime minister said dialogue is the only way forward because both the countries cannot afford war.

The prime minister was taking calls on a range of issues from people during the show which was jointly hosted by PTV and Dunya TV on Saturday night, the APP reported.

Gilani acknowledged India's commitment that the bilateral talks cannot be made hostage to the Mumbai attack. However, he accused India of not being ready to make "any compromise with Pakistan".

"Although (Indian premier) Manmohan Singh agreed in several meetings with me that bilateral talks should not be made hostage to the (Mumbai attacks) tragedy, the Indian rulers seem to be under political pressure at home not to make any compromise with Pakistan," the Dawn quoted Gilani as having said during the show.

And hold on to your chairs - Geelani is about to launch headlong into Jeehard, and that too against corruption...

The prime minister said his government will launch a "jehad" against corruption in the country in the new year (2011) by adopting strong legislative measures.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 02 Jan 2011 22:01

A_Gupta wrote:
Arjun wrote: 1. Any evidence of the orthodoxy impacting the Jewish affinity for the sciences, technology and academic excellence?
Yes there is such evidence. Will give you a pointer after saying the following:

a. Why I brought up Israel in the Pakistan thread is to point out a dynamic that exists with state power and religion.
b. Nepal is hardly an example of successful state power mixed with religion. AFAIK, it has succumbed to the Maoists.

Coming back to Israel, the ultra-orthodox schools do not teach science or math. The ultra-orthodox are an increasing percentage of the population.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10369998

http://www.theage.com.au/world/israels- ... 1236a.html

http://blackchristiannews.com/news/2010 ... nment.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noah-efro ... 90651.html

That was precisely the point, Nepal, a hindu state, did not use hinduism the way Pakis use Islam.
Anyway this discussion is OT here and can be moved to different thread.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 02 Jan 2011 23:17

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... overnment/

New defection leaves Pakistan with minority government

The second-largest party in Pakistan's ruling coalition quit the government Sunday over fuel price increases and other complaints, leaving President Asif Ali Zardari at the head of a minority government.

Sunday's announcement by the Muttahida Qaumi Movement that its 25 members would join the opposition comes after several previous threats to quit the government. But Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said the ruling Pakistan People's Party would be able to function without a parliamentary majority.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jan 2011 23:41

Reader's comments at the influential

Foriegn Policy magazine

MARTY MARTEL

1:55 PM ET

December 29, 2010

Narrow, misplaced focus on Pakistan
International Crisis Group (ICG) looks at Pakistan with a grossly misplaced focus, totally missing the fact that Pakistan projects sympathetic image as a victim of terror, even as it is, in fact, the creator of terrorism. Pakistan continues to shelter, nurture, support and protect innumerable terrorist outfits on its soil.
Nobody forced Pakistani government to facilitate relocation of Osama bin Laden from Sudan to Afghanistan in 1996. Benazir Bhutto’s democratic government of Pakistan chose to do so of its own will.
Nobody forced Pakistani Army and Intelligence to create what ex-CIA official Bruce Reidel called ‘this jihadist Frankenstein’ monster in 1990s. Pakistani Army and Intelligence chose to do so with the full financing provided by Pakistan’s democratic governments at the time.
Pakistan boldly holds the Western world to ransom. It garners generous financial aid and military supplies from the US and has successfully projected itself as recourse of last resort in its geographical theatre. It runs circles around international sanctions and bans by nurturing a large number of home-grown terrorist outfits forever changing nomenclature. In addition, it maintains seemingly endless supply of freelance non-state actors that allow it the fig-leaf of plausible deniability.
And in a masterful demonstration of how to manage chaos, Pakistan keeps its domestic situation in destabilized ferment and flux by stoking sectarian, that is, Sunni versus Shiite violence, and religious tensions between Islamic progressives and fundamentalists.
For the further bamboozling of the West, Pakistan uses its blow-hot-blow-cold relationship with the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban and its hosting of the Al Qaeda as adroit bargaining chips.
Pakistan blackmails international community in coughing up ever increasing doses of foreign aid by maintaining innumerable terrorist outfits on its soil just as Pakistan blackmails international community by hinting at the possibility of its nuclear weapons falling in the hands of Taliban/Al Qaeda axis while it was Pakistani Army that created Taliban to begin with. Sandy Berger, Bill Clinton’s national security advisor told 9/11 Commission in March, 2004 that ’Pakistani Army was the midwife of Taliban’. UN report on Bhutto killing published in April, 2010 confirmed this fact when it stated that "The PAKISTANI MILITARY ORGANIZED AND SUPPORTED THE TALIBAN TO TAKE CONTROL OF AFGHANISTAN IN 1996“.
Declassified DIA Washington D.C., "IIR (intelligence Information Report) Pakistan Involvement in Afghanistan," dated November 7, 1996 states how "Pakistan's ISI is heavily involved in Afghanistan," and also details different roles various ISI officers play in Afghanistan. Stating that Pakistan uses sizable numbers of its Pashtun-based Frontier Corps in Taliban-run operations in Afghanistan, the document clarifies that, "these Frontier Corps elements are utilized in command and control; training; and when necessary combat“.
Declassified U.S. Department of State, Cable "Pakistan Support for Taliban" from Islamabad dated Sept. 26, 2000 states that "while Pakistani support for the Taliban has been long-standing, the magnitude of recent support is unprecedented." In response Washington orders the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad to immediately confront Pakistani officials on the issue and to advise Islamabad that the U.S. has "seen reports that Pakistan is providing the Taliban with materiel, fuel, funding, technical assistance and military advisors. [The Department] also understand[s] that large numbers of Pakistani nationals have recently moved into Afghanistan to fight for the Taliban, apparently with the tacit acquiescence of the Pakistani government." Additional reports indicate that direct Pakistani involvement in Taliban military operations has increased.
Pakistan created these terrorist outfits and so is in NO danger from these outfits. Sooner ICG discards such misconceptions, the better.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Jan 2011 23:59

Gagan wrote:And...
Possibility of another round of peace talks brewing between Pakistan and kufr India Pakistan, India cannot afford war, says Gilani

So, this is much is certain and confirmed. Pa'astan cannot afford a war with India. Straight from the horse's mouth.

archan · Post by **archan** » 03 Jan 2011 00:55

anupmisra wrote: So, this is much is certain and confirmed. Pa'astan cannot afford a war with India. Straight from the horse's mouth.

that horse, however, is not the one driving the cart.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 03 Jan 2011 01:58

CRamS wrote:
Prem wrote:“Kayani wants to talk about the end state in South Asia,” said one of several Obama administration officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity about the sensitive relationship.
US anal-ysts are reading BR, in particular my posts. This is exactly what TSP wants. They think they have US by its b@lls, and want to milk their statis as Munna and all-lie to go back to 1947 and design a suitable re-birth of TSP, of course on the dead body of India. As much as US is on this deliberate diabolical equal equal path, I get that faint feeling that maybe, just maybe, TSP is taking a big gamble by punching above its weight even with US. (With us SDREs, TSP's deadly punching has resulted in an effective stalemate with a definite edge to TSP: 1000s of PigLeTs + Chines nukes + NoDongs + Islam), and sooner or later, there is a very slim chance that US will abandon its equal equal and see that despite our SDRE looks, us Indians are the good guys for all our faults . Thats when AfPak will be solved in leass than the time I took writing this.

You mean SDRE's are "good" for the US? But Indians do not GUBO as easily as the TSPites, and extract heavy profits for selling off - uncertain human merchandise from the US profits viewpoint, don't you think?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 03 Jan 2011 03:30

brihaspati wrote: You mean SDRE's are "good" for the US? But Indians do not GUBO as easily as the TSPites, and extract heavy profits for selling off - uncertain human merchandise from the US profits viewpoint, don't you think?

Well come on we do, much more than one would expect for a country the size of India. Of course, I agree no way India can show US the middle finger and ask it shove the equal equal you know where, but we could do better. The most shameful aspect being our 5th columnists and RNIs interlocuting with US big-wigs and undercutting our own interests.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Jan 2011 05:54

An IT & Cellular Rebound in Pakistan

An IT rebound and cellular spike, projected in 2011, will attract considerable foreign direct investment (FDI) and domestic investment, industry surveys show.

The slowdown and impact of the global crisis is fully reflected in IT revenues in Pakistan. IT’s global revenue, the survey says, had totalled $ 800 million in 2006, while the domestic revenue was $ 200 million. The global revenue declined to $ 300 million, and domestic revenue to $ 100 million, in 2007.

By the end of 2010, the IT industry has fully overcome the decline, recovered from the recession, and return to its 2006 output and performance levels.

Pakistan was slow to take to the IT industry because of forex shortages to import equipment and scarcity of skilled manpower, in the 1970s. But, then it started picking up, and continues to grow. Technomics survey says that nearly 40 percent of the IT companies in Pakistan develop and customise their own proprietary platforms. Seventy-five companies that were surveyed employed around 7,500 full time staff for an average of 131 persons. The industry has been diversifying away from the US now towards new emerging markets like Africa, the Middle East and Asia-Pacific.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 03 Jan 2011 08:17

Pakistan's IT industry is in a downturn these days.
No IED mubaraks, even international ventures are not become successful - no boom at all.

Pakistan's IT industry is just not booming these days.

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 03 Jan 2011 08:28

SSridhar wrote: Pakistan was slow to take to the IT industry because of forex shortages to import equipment and scarcity of skilled manpower, in the 1970s.

Packees were doing IT in the 1970s? Neither form of IT existed back then!

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Jan 2011 08:29

India should show "maturity" to usher peace in region: Pak

Pakistan is ready for a meaningful dialogue with India on "core issues" like Kashmir and New Delhi should "show maturity" to usher in peace in the region, a top official said today.

"Only dialogue is not enough for resolving strategic issues. India should take serious steps to remove all irritants and discrimination. Pakistan always tried its best to maintain good ties with India," he contended.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Jan 2011 08:30

City builders start importing cement from Pakistan

CHENNAI: Builders in Chennai have started importing cement from Pakistan and a vessel carrying the first consignment of 3,000 tonnes is expected to arrive here next week. The decision to import cement from the neighbouring country comes in the wake of domestic cement prices soaring high.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Jan 2011 08:34

now time for a joke

Pakistan’s Railcop expresses interest in Nigeria’s railway system

Railway Constructions Pakistan Limited (RAILCOP) has expressed its interest to revamp the Nigeria Railway system if given the opportunity by the Nigerian government.

RAILCOP offers construction services in engineering fields like railways, roads, bridges, public health engineering, signalling and telecommunication, power generation and transmission.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 03 Jan 2011 08:59

GuruPrabhu wrote:
SSridhar wrote: Pakistan was slow to take to the IT industry because of forex shortages to import equipment and scarcity of skilled manpower, in the 1970s.
Packees were doing IT in the 1970s? Neither form of IT existed back then!

They started the IT business right from their birth in 1947

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Jan 2011 09:17

Poak IT= Inbreeding Technology

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 03 Jan 2011 10:10

Brad Goodman wrote:now time for a joke

Pakistan’s Railcop expresses interest in Nigeria’s railway system

Snip..........

Whats left of nigerias rail system will now disappear. Like the Paki rail system

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 03 Jan 2011 12:38

http://www.speroforum.com/site/article. ... d+in+flood

Despite helping people, Pakistan is still spending a huge amount on defence and other non-development sectors. In September 2010, the defence budget had been quietly hiked by an astonishing 25 per cent, from the budgeted figure of Rs442bn to over Rs550bn. By one estimate the armed forces lay claim to a third of Pakistan’s budget. Ironically, few months before flood, Pakistan bought 3 F-16 fighter jets for $1.4 Billion.

Junaid Khanzada, a Muslim journalist in Hyderabad, said that some government officials and Islamic fundamentalist organizations deliberately ignore the needs of Hindus in Sindh province. People at a roadside camp near Makli, Thatta, are reluctant to give up their prejudices and not even share water with members of the Hindu community while sharing the same camp. Muslims do not drink water from the same water tank as they claimed it is impure. While other displaced people can get cooked food from the government and NGOs, Hindus cannot.

Thousands of displaced Christian and Hindu families being completely abandoned by the government, according to Christian organisations who have been working in flood affected areas. It has been reported that members of Ahmadiyya community in Muzaffargarh were not rescued from their homes because rescuers felt that Muslims must be given priority. Members of the Sikh community, who arrived at gurdwaras in Lahore, also complained of government apathy. About 600,000 Christians and Hindus in Sindh province, 200,000 Christians in Punjab province and 1,210 Christian and 220 Hindu families in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province were affected by the heavy flood.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 03 Jan 2011 12:51

Gilani Seeks Support as Pakistan’s Government Loses Majority

Jan. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Pakistan’s ruling party moved to shore up the coalition government after the withdrawal of its biggest ally left Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani without a majority as he battles the highest inflation in Asia and a Taliban insurgency.

Hussain’s faction of the Pakistan Muslim League has 51 members in the 342-seat National Assembly, according to the country’s election commission, more than double the representation of the Karachi-based Muttahida Qaumi Movement which yesterday announced it was leaving the governing alliance to protest a Jan. 1 increase in gasoline prices.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 03 Jan 2011 14:40

Pratyush wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:now time for a joke

Pakistan’s Railcop expresses interest in Nigeria’s railway system

Whats left of nigerias rail system will now disappear. Like the Paki rail system

Warning for Nigeria!!!
Yup, Pakis are going to steal and smuggle out Nigeria's whole rail system, and replace Pakistani Rail System with Nigerian! Whatta Konstipacy Yaar!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 03 Jan 2011 14:42

Brad Goodman wrote:India should show "maturity" to usher peace in region: Pak

And what can Pakistan show? ....

amit · Post by **amit** » 03 Jan 2011 14:51

Brad Goodman wrote:now time for a joke

Pakistan’s Railcop expresses interest in Nigeria’s railway system

Railway Constructions Pakistan Limited (RAILCOP) has expressed its interest to revamp the Nigeria Railway system if given the opportunity by the Nigerian government.

RAILCOP offers construction services in engineering fields like railways, roads, bridges, public health engineering, signalling and telecommunication, power generation and transmission.

I think the Nigerian Govt should contract the Railcop to build a High Speed Rail System.

It should be easy. If the Thundar Bandar is a Paki plane the the Chinese (stolen) HSR tech should also be Paki tech. Anything belonging to the Traller than Mountains flend also belongs to the Pakis. The sense of entitlement is non-discriminatory in nature.

amit · Post by **amit** » 03 Jan 2011 14:52

RajeshA wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:India should show "maturity" to usher peace in region: Pak
And what can Pakistan show? ....

Rajesh,

You may not want to see it.

Who knows if your near sighted then you may even miss it.