Telangana Monitor

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 31 Dec 2010 06:23

Srikrishna Committee hands Telangana report to Chidambaram

Justice B N Srikrishna has handed over his report to the government - 10 months after he was appointed head of a special committee to talk to different political parties and "all sections of society."

Home Minister P Chidambaram who received the report said he will consult with the eight major political parties of Andhra Pradesh on January 6 before the report is made public. Mr Chidambaram appealed to the people of Andhra Pradesh to help maintain peace.

But sources say that the report offers four options, and lists pros and cons for each, along with how resources like water would be affected. The committee has not indicated which solution it favours. It evaluates a united Andhra Pradesh, an autonomous state of Telangana, and the trifurcation of the state into Andhra, Telangana and Rayalaseema. The document reflects the strong emotional support for Telangana that the five-member committee encountered as it toured Andhra Pradesh.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/s ... ces/184746

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 31 Dec 2010 09:32

Last time PC organized all party meeting , both Congress and TDP were split along the regional lines. Hence the need for SKC panel. So what is the point of bringing them again, that too requesting each party to send two delegates? Once again Congress is trying to wiggle out of this using TDP as an excuse as TDP is definitely going to provide split opinion. Or else PC is trying to cover the stupidity he exhibited on Dec 9th and deflect it to state politicians. In any case, at the end of the day, it is Congress's problem. They created this monster for 2004 elections. They better own it and bring quick solution. At the end they will do whatever is best for the party trapped in a very bad position. Considering how bad they are in SA area, they will hang on to any support that SKC provides for separate T.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 Dec 2010 10:13

Dasari wrote:Last time PC organized all party meeting , both Congress and TDP were split along the regional lines. Hence the need for SKC panel. So what is the point of bringing them again, that too requesting each party to send two delegates? Once again Congress is trying to wiggle out of this using TDP as an excuse as TDP is definitely going to provide split opinion. Or else PC is trying to cover the stupidity he exhibited on Dec 9th and deflect it to state politicians. In any case, at the end of the day, it is Congress's problem. They created this monster for 2004 elections. They better own it and bring quick solution. At the end they will do whatever is best for the party trapped in a very bad position. Considering how bad they are in SA area, they will hang on to any support that SKC provides for separate T.

I thought through this. Congress has only one option. Go by letter and spirit of SKC and whatever they have given. They have to fall back on the report and not get the flak while operationalizing stuff. No doubt there will be spin in the language.

If SKC recommends economic package and autonomous council then that is the way to go irrespective of the MPs resigning and AP government's collapse. In this case they just cannot go by politics and say let us screw SA. By losing 23 MPs they will not just lose 23, they will lose several from INC. If you think thru, Ghorkaland, Poorvanchal, Seemanchal, Vidharabha etc. are waiting eagerly to see what comes out of SKC. If government does trechery and inspite of SKC not approving outright T formation, they try it then it will be serious suicide. They have to lose starting from Pranab da, Mamta, Pawar from INC and UPA. The government will just collapse. First of all doing something not as recommended by SKC (even if it roundabout) will not pass the Cabinet's test.

If SKC says give Telangana, they have to start the process and no more dramas. In this case they will have to setup SRC-2 as well because it will be a trigger for more small states across the nation. Read news of Amar Singh's high pitch rally for Poorvanchal state from UP.

The time that PC is buying is for simple reason. To check and control the fallout. In case SKC did not recomment outright T ( seems like that), as Telangana has 11 MPs from INC, they have to search their land deals, past records etc, to create a blackmailing stratery so that they will stick to MP seats and not resign. Once they achieve that then there will be slow landing. Starting with council, showing a carrot of 2014 as d-date for T etc. Even if they lose assembly towards president's rule, they will first start with Council elections and devolution of powers etc. Six days are enough to get the structure in place. They did the same thing even last year to get back to work.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 Dec 2010 10:51

FE Editorial : Is small beautiful?

The Justice Srikrishna Commission report, to be made public on January 6 after an all-party consultation, has once again raised the issue of whether smaller states do better than larger states. Apart from economic growth numbers, the other question is whether smaller states are easier to administer, and therefore more important from the point of view of human development indicators like mortality. While the picture is as mixed as it is for economic growth, the bigger blow to the Telangana movement comes from a study commissioned by the Srikrishna report, this newspaper reported, which said that the Telangana region compared favourably with Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra on indicators like infant mortality and maternal mortality—one of the main reasons for the Telangana agitation is its backwardness in economic and human development terms.

The picture on growth is also mixed. Smaller states grew the fastest in the 2001-02 to 2004-05 period—an average of 7.2% per year versus 6.3% for larger states like Gujarat and Rajasthan. But in the 2005-06 to 2008-09 period, they grew the slowest. From 2001-02 to 2008-09, smaller states grew at 7.2% on average versus 7.5% for the larger ones. Indeed, if you break up the states in terms of income, the lowest-income ones also grew at a marginally lower rate than the higher-income ones in the 2001-02 to 2008-09 period.

At the centre of the debate over growth, of course, is what happens to Hyderabad, does it to go Telangana or not? Include Hyderabad in Telangana, and the region is doing well in economic terms as well. Remove it and, well, the results get reversed—think of what would happen to Maharashtra without Mumbai. India’s top 20 cities, an NCAER-Future Capital Research report points out, account for 10% of the country’s population, 20% of its spending, 30% of its disposable income and 60% of overall savings. Indeed, according to a McKinsey Global Institute publication, India’s urbanisation (from 30% right now to a projected 40% by 2030) is what will drive its income growth—indeed, 70% of net new jobs will be generated in urban areas. Building to cater to this new demand, McKinsey estimates, will cost $1.2 trillion—the residential and commercial space that needs to be added each year, to put this in perspective, is equal to building a new Chicago each year. The real fight over Telangana, no matter what the PR spin is, is really about Hyderabad.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jan 2011 03:38

I really think the solution is to urbanise the rural just as America has done. A small step in this direction was the effort by Ministry of Municipal and Urban Development in Andhra Pradesh to have the rural cities build corporation buildings and the civic infrastructure.

Meanwhile PP guy thinks INC is arrogant in not releasing the SKC report soon after it was presented.

LINK

says by inviting two reps from the 8 parties the INC is playing politics.

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 02 Jan 2011 21:50

In all separate state agitations, the region asking for separate state either didn't have capital in the region or lost the capital as part of separation.

This would make separation not as contentious issue as this has been. So why don't they shift the capital from Hyderbad to Vizag/Vijayawada for next 10 years and split the state by simple referendum by 2020. I don't think there will be any objection from andhra side for this proposal.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Jan 2011 22:41

The SKC reports has changed some fundamentals to the argument. This is leading to a crisis and that can be a game changer for India's politics.

Here are few of the latest tweets and the pointers:

Congress boycotting PC's meet is the bigggest joke !

3 major andhra parties announced to boycott Thursday Delhi meeting 8 Cong MPs from Telangana offer to resign, Hyd tense

TRS,Cong and BJP 3 major political parties declared to boycott Chidambarm meeting on Sirkrishna committee report.A slap on UPA2.Tense in AP

When Telangana is burning,Vinod Duggal hosted new year party with Wine,Whisky say Thanks by Srikrishna Committee. TRS want Duggal arrested

It seems to me that there are paractical impossibilities in creating Telangana as a state. SKC has given solutions that are short of an outright statehood. This report is now a perfect ammunition for all the regional satraps like Mulayam, Maya, Mamta, Shiv Sena, Pawar and also Pranab. None of these folks want to see a pandora box being opened. The report and these politician are the killers of Telangana as a state. What that means is that UPA-2 will not be even able to pass it in a cabinet meeting and forget the introduction in Parliament and force this on Seemandhra.

Thing that are evolving:
(1) T-INC see there in chance of being in congress and getting deposits at the elections. They may mass resign and join TRS. Though Reddy-Velama combination is untenable in the long run, it will be a windfall in the short term using the sentiment.
(2) Jagan did make his moves with a half day one-on-one meet with Pawar. Per Sunday Gaurdian report, Pawar is positioning himself to be PM
(3) TRS in Telangana and Jagan in Seemandhra are the replacements of INC in AP. They will esentially fight with TDP. Jagan may challenge TRS and TDP in Telangana.
(4) All the pointers, (a) AP INC MPs rocking the boat (b) Serious and open differences between MMS and Pranab Da (c) imminent exit of Mamta are for sure a poosibility of UPA-2 collapse and in all this mess AP collapse is a given.

In Karnataka, ground reports show BJP leading in local body polls capturing more districts than rivals. Yeddyurappa remains BJP's best bet!
Race to replace PM hotting up. Sunday Gaurdian says Pawar is positioning himself. Posters in Delhi hailed Pranab as PM. Who's next dummy?
What a fall for PM? Perhaps dynasty is keen that Manmohan quit in disgrace a la his mentor Narasimha Rao. Products with limited shelf life?

The first one tells that there is no replacement to Yeddi and election in KA are useless for both Gowda and INC.

If the UPA-2 falls and any other coalition including a rare possibility of NDA either via elections or re-adjustments, the chances of Telangana formation is an impossibility. Period.

ensoi the India reality show. This is no more T or non-T.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 03 Jan 2011 01:46

In their quest to destabilize and terrorize Indians, the Sonia regime totally lost credibility. They screwed so many people using CBI when necessary by threatening and blackmailing: Maya, Mulyam, Laloo. They doled out cash to rascals like TRS, and Amar Singh. They thought they can destroy BJP using their camchas in the media. As we can see, Jagan/KCR all calling their bluff. The CLOWN Prince has been exposed as a terror sympathizer and supporter of LET. Digvijay sick old dog showed to what levels they can stoop to. I think people are calling their bluff and daring them to do what they can do. We need to reorganize our political system. The collusion of reckless corrupt media, COMMIE media and anti-national regime has created a collapse of our democratic system.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 03 Jan 2011 03:40

http://eenadu.net/panelhtml.asp?qrystr=htm/panel2.htm

The responsibility lies with the Parties themselves- Chidambaram

I will only add lemon to the milk, it is your duty to make the milk whole again.

In short, I am an a$$ hole, it is your duty to clean my droppings.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jan 2011 03:51

I am surprised despite IT/VTy power seemandhra folks haven't come up with bop the mole type of game with PC.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 Jan 2011 05:21

Justice Sri Krishna Committee which is not a commission under Commission of Enquiries Act, but an internal Home Ministry committee has submitted its report in time as promised to the Ministry. Though we do not know what they have reported we must congratulate them on a time bound action. The Home Minister has arranged on 6th Jan 2011 and called all the local political parties in AP for consultations. It is inconceivable that Congress leadership does not know what is there in SK Report now. So this attempt to listen to the local political opinion afresh without even giving the report in to them advance or without allowing them time to think about the report seems to be an idea to put blame on what ever happens on local parties like TDP. It is quite strange that the political parties from AP will not have any time to study and react to the report which will be voluminous. One more thing is to call two people from each party which will result once again in division of the opinion.

One wonders if Chidambaram and Congress are once again playing too smart like December 9th for their own good. If the Home Minister and Congress want an alibi to take any decision he is not going to get and political parties from AP are not going to provide that to him. Already KCR and TRS made clear that will not be attending this meeting. KCR obviously don’t want to be part of consultations which may end up not giving Telangana state. If Telangana is not given now he can take a high ground in any future agitation and elections by not taking part in the present consultations. Already Telengana leaders from TDP are urging their party to boycott the meeting. PRP is saying that only one person from each party should be called. So the meeting on 6th Jan 2011 may not even be attended by important factions. In fact the latest news is all the 3 parties INC TDP and TRS will not be attending the meeting. So no alibi for Chidambaram and he has to take his decision.

Present government in AP may last till some decision by Congress on Telangana or till it enjoys pleasure of Jagan. Jagan is waiting for a suitable time for successful action of removal of AP Government. But he will prefer it to fall on its own and if Congress accepts formation of Telangana without clear SKC report then that will provide required pretext to his supporters to quite their seats in the assembly thereby bring down the government in AP. He may or need not stop at that. We need to remember Non-Telnagana regions have 22 Congress MP’s in Lok Sabha whereas Telangana region got just 11 Congress MP’s. This 22 will be under threat from public and will be forced to quite due to public pressure and Delhi Government may fall as a result. Jagan may force this matter at least to teach a lesson to Congress for continuous attacks on him from the old retainers of the Italian family. Even today V H Hanumatha Rao attacked Jagan and insulted him on TV.

There are also reports that Sharad Pawar is trying to mediate between Congress central leadership and the Jagan group now. He once again aiming to become PM. But I fear the onion and tomato prices may be his undoing now.

The division of the state requires resolution from the AP assembly. The constitution says that it is required to obtain the opinion of the house which in turn means voting. Naturally any resolution for the division of the state will be defeated in the assembly. It may not be compulsory for the Parliament to accept the decision of the state assembly and Parliament can decide for the division against the wishes of the state assembly.

The division may also end up in Supreme Court. It had held at the time of the Gujarat state formation that the consent from the State Assemble is not compulsory and only its opinion is need and state can be divided against the wishes of Assembly. But this very old position is taken when the center government is more unitary in nature and the India was still under formation. The division of united Maharashtra State was on the basis of language and all over India such states were formed at the same time. So there is some basis for the division of the state. The present constitutional condition is towards more federal structure and there is no pan Indian basis or rule under which Telangana can be given. So any case before Supreme Court may not be an open and shut case and Gujarat decision may even be reviewed by it. More important thing is the basis of the division of the state. SKC may provide some basis for division. But if it does not, then how can the Union Government justify the division of the state in any court. If the court asks - What is so special about Telangana when such demands are there everywhere in the country? – What answer Delhi can give?

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 03 Jan 2011 11:13

Listen to this caller on Varadi show on TV9 where Chalasani Srinivas, the author of the book, Jai Andhra & Jai Telangana, answers to viewers questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8WF8Is4Bd4&NR=1video The call 2:57 is very interesting.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 Jan 2011 13:20

Telangana is not backward and progressed well over decades as per this report that says SKC report mentions Telangana developed well. This argument gels well with what has been discussed in this very thread. So all the statehood demand is based on false propaganda on non-T people by National and Telangana parties.

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Backwardness no reason for T: Sri Krishna
http://www.gulte.com/index.php?andhra-p ... &link=7258

'Telangana Scores High On Income, Power, Water; Lags Only In Education Sector'

In a setback to the campaign for separate Telangana, the Sri Krishna Committee has dismissed the argument of economic backwardness for carving out a separate state, arguing that the region compares well with other regions of the state. The option of statehood for Telangana is low in its list of priorities. The panel, after a detailed analysis of district annual reports across regions and tours, found that Telangana scores high on income generation, electricity, water and agriculture, lagging behind only in investment in education with literacy rate lower than that of coastal Andhra.

The estimate for Telangana has been prepared without including Hyderabad which, as capital, has lately seen high growth and investment. The much-awaited report is set to be a dampener for proponents of statehood who have cited economic backwardness as the rationale for seeking division of the state. The panel, which has given a clutch of recommendations to settle the contentious debate for bifurcation of AP, has recommended that "development" be the basis for decision-making in future. The recommendations form part of very academic discussion in the report which will be made public on January 6. Sources said the report that Telangana's growth story has been positive, with the region, having started from a low base, clocking "high rate of growth" to not just catch up with coastal Andhra but even overtake the latter on certain parameters.

The area of concern in Telangana is the disparity between the rich and the poor. While those with landed assets are progressing further, the poor are falling behind. The state of weaker communities requires more attention. The report, it is learnt, has found that Telangana scores high on "income generation", largely because of higher "diversity of income" as compared to coastal or Rayalaseema regions. The "diversity of income" sits in contrast with largely agrarian economy of the coastal region which has only lately begun to get other sources like industry. Rayalaseema fares worse than Telangana on this score.

The per capita consumption of electricity in Telangana is higher vis-a-vis other regions. It is also better off with regard to availability of water. The farm sector seems to be doing well with high productivity. An evidence of good farm output is the growth of rice mills in the region in the last decade. While Telangana has been a water-scarce pocket, the study has found that the shortage is being made up by the exploitation of groundwater. Irrigation projects are also coming up to supplement local requirement.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 03 Jan 2011 20:09

We dont know what is there in the report. If what is being reported in the news papers is true then we should seriously think about how the lies are told and are being told time and again to the people by the politicos of Telangana. In any event it is only 3 more days for the report to come out.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 03 Jan 2011 20:34

Regardless of the truth, there is an inherent resentment and anger amongst Telangana people as I have seen in some of my relatives through marriage. They tried to build a case of economic backwardness to justify the cause. But the reality of it is, they think they are slaves to Seema Andhra leadership which in some way every one in AP is. Unless you belong to top 0.01% of leadership relatives, every one in AP was helpless onlooker of greedy political leadership which came mostly from few families in AP. While many of us perceive it to casteism and shrug our shoulders and focus on our daily lives, the Telangana proponents pin it on Seema Andhra people. It is all in the minds. When emotions run high, reason is the last thing on their minds.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 03 Jan 2011 20:49

I want people to notice how vitriolic people have turned.

http://www.simplytelangana.com/2011/01/ ... %E2%80%99/

Check the comments

The decision taken by TRS not to attend 6th January meeting with Home minister is very much right. It is consistent with the stand TRS Party has taken since the appointment of SKC. The appointment of the committee itself is inappropriate. The Central government has appointed SKC only to mollify the ugly feelings of the unscrupulous volte-face of andhra political leaders. It was done against the announcement made in both the houses of the Parliament, making a mockery of constitutional propriety. At that time two diametrically opposite views were taken from some political parties. It was like a provincial political maneuvering and did not look like national level political decision.

As if it is not enough, another duplicitous drama was enacted in setting up the TOR of the committee.TOR turned out to be a social studies dissertation in whole of Andhra Pradesh, instead of finding the reasons and gravity of the demand for separate Telangana State, being the core issue of announcement in Parliament. Added to this, the leisurely sojourn of SKC in all parts of the state talking irrelevant things, gathering falsified statistics of Andhra administration, socializing with officials and legislators of andhra and making incompatible statements did not inspire the confidence of Telangana people on the committee and central government.

Yet, Telangana people, believing that ultimately truth will prevail, have cooperated with the committee. They have put up with the indifference of Central Government and bore the brunt of brutality of andhra administration and hundreds of youth have sacrificed their lives during the period of the committee. But the committee members appeared to have taken the demands of Telangana people for granted and were more enamored with the views of people and legislators from andhra area. It has made one wonder, whether the whole exercise is to know the reasons for the opposition of andhra people, rather than the reasons for the demand of Telanganites for Telangana state. Despite all these outward looking inconsistencies, Telangana people kept faith in the proven integrity of Justice Sri Krishna and have given academic importance to the committee, because of over whelming evidence of ‘Organized exploitation’ against themselves.

But the post SKC report behavior of central government/congress party is once again brought the situation back to square one. Instead of carrying their announcement decisively forward, they once again chose to replay the same macabre drama they have enacted, in the past. The strange acting of Governor and CM, the casual forebodings of SKC options, deployment of paramilitary forces only in Telangana, calling two reps. from each political party for the January 6th meeting, are all like adding insults to injury to Telangana people. This spineless behavior from central government in the face of blackmailing of some andhra legislators is an absurd situation not worthy of Indian Parliament. TRS has correctly assessed the situation and rightly decided to boycott the meeting. It appears now; it would be futile to keep faith in central government.

Telangana people are now massively united and determined to get their state back as never before. There is no need to suffer the equivocal treatment of central government any more. There is no point in hoping for the change of heart in political parties/factions inimical to Telangana.We can be certain that the findings of SKC would be ambiguous, as expected. It is T-congress MPs and MLAs who have to take a final call, either for, or against Telangana. It is only Telangana people who will get the state of Telangana, on their own. There is no need to depend on any body’s munificence. Let the people surge ahead for the final ‘Push’, come what may!

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3 Responses to “TRS’ boycott is right! Time for the final ‘Push’”

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Gopal says:
January 3, 2011 at 12:02 pm

JJ your observations appears ok but it is also correct that Mr Manmohan singh the other day was contemplating with his cabinet colleagues on the likely political fall out of creating separate telangana state. This means the centre is in compatibility with PC’s announcement on 9 dec. The large police force in and around Hyderabad is not only for using against telangana agitators,but equally useful against SAs settled in Hyderabad, who have threatened to destroy it, in the event of Hyderabad slipping out of their hands.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Jan 2011 20:50

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Even this point was dissected on this thread; please check previous pages.

This so called "slavery" is in the "minds of Telangana doras". Even in a hypothetical Telangana, not every one can become a leader, unless he has family connections.

The intellectual slavery of "telangana political leadership" is a product of their dhimmitude. Once they grow out of it with the help of new found RE wealth; they can morph into next generation leaders to entire Andhra region.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jan 2011 20:52

RamaY, Time to put the ppt charts on slideshare or scribd?
Maybe after the SKC report is released? Looks like its the 45% probability option.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Jan 2011 20:53

ramana wrote:So kicking the can a few years to 2014 ie same as nex elections and meanwhile an economic package.

RamaY where are you? Take a look at your simulation.

Back from looong holiday Ramanaji!

It is interesting that we ran that simulation in Jan 2010 and ran it for 12 periods (months). Looks like the model prediction is on the lines of the real-world developments

- That means our inputs are more or less accurate.
- I have to see player positions/strengths.

Muppala garu, can you validate that from your perspective?

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Sure Ramanaji. Will do and post a link.

Timing doesn't matter IMO. We can put it now that the report is submitted.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Jan 2011 21:07

OK. Here is the URL for the presentation on Telangana issue using Predictioneer's game.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46209454

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jan 2011 21:16

Looks like gang land warfare has started in Hyd.
Old scores are being settled in the political arena.
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RamaY, You can update the players strengths and positions based on real world actuals. And also make the simulation cleaner by consolidating the players and removing those without salience to the issue.

On New Years Eve party I told some guys that things are coming per the simulation and they were fascinated that one could predict such an outcome so early on when it all looked murky.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jan 2011 21:19

We need to get more serious and start studying long range issues.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Jan 2011 21:32

ramana wrote:Looks like gang land warfare has started in Hyd.
Old scores are being settled in the political arena.

This is how Jagan may be checkmated. "Wheels in wheels" situation is coming to AP. It is possible that AP government and TDP could have tacit understanding in reducing Jagan. That could be the first in a quarter century to see TDP and INC on one side.

TRS and Jagan may work together.

Chiru and Jagan may work together.

Chiru and AP-Government may work together.

By the way Jagan is planning to conduct a fast for a day in Delhi for AP-Farmers. Per grapevine the fasting partners include 40 MLAs (all congress) and 10 MPs (all congress).

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 Jan 2011 22:19

RamaY wrote:OK. Here is the URL for the presentation on Telangana issue using Predictioneer's game.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46209454

The Predictioneer's result I got then was:
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For position I used 0 as no-split, 100 as split, <50 as no-split with package, >50 as split with package.

Output I got (>50) corresponds to more weight I gave for INC central pushing the split. Without more weight, the output number favors no-split side.
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This gels well with Congress slogan "Icchedi meme Thecchedi meme" (We're the ones to give separate state). Jagan issue wasn't part of the game then when we ran simulations. After Jagan issue, Congress toned down so it favors no-split.

Congress episode 1 was to bring T demand to reduce YSR/Jagan and episode 2 is to use Jagan issue to reduce T demand.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 03 Jan 2011 22:28

Now RGV got script for Rakta Charitra 3. Looks like a rejoicing time in Ananthapur.

Is it a warning shot for Jagan by Congress?

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Maddelacheruvu Suri shot dead at point blank!!
http://newsofap.com/newsofap-30324-21-m ... ank--.html

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 03 Jan 2011 23:39

ShyamSP wrote: Congress episode 1 was to bring T demand to reduce YSR/Jagan and episode 2 is to use Jagan issue to reduce T demand.

How long they can run this crap? To me it is all over though I will wait to read it on 6th. AP government, central government and all of them are going to go down as a bad dream.

It is better for the population of AP to live the way they used to live. Watch a crappy movie 100 times and discuss passionately about movies and factional leaders or annalu. Think about getting on to GRE, GMAT or H1B to get to US and otherwise do some biziness in cities.

Time is up for Telangana state. I seriously do not think there is a way to create it even if INC wants to create one. The system has reached an impossible deadend.

Sarma · Post by **Sarma** » 03 Jan 2011 23:42

OK Guys, a Prof from the Indian School of Business writes an article in the Economic Time that trashes the T-vaadi argument that the rest of the AP state has sucked the sap out of Telangana. I am sure an academic will not write stuff without some academic and factual integrity. Please read the entire article pasted below for posterity. It is revealing, to say the least. I got tired of bolding parts because the entire article simply debunks and trashes all the T-vadi nonsense.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/vie ... 207987.cms

As the Union government mulls over the recommendations made by the Srikrishna Commission set up to decide whether a separate Telangana state must be created, we ask the question: Is there a compelling economic rationale to create a separate state? Objectively viewed, the answer is, no! Using district-level statistics for the Telangana and non-Telangana districts, we find that the GDP per capita in the Telangana region is considerably higher. Furthermore, over the time period 2001-08 , GDP per capita has been rising at a faster rate in the Telangana region than in the non-Telangana one. These conclusions are true even if Hyderabad is excluded from Telangana. The percentage of population living below poverty line is identical in Telangana and non-Telangana regions.

Telangana leads non-Telangana areas with respect to various indicators of health. More students in Telangana move from primary school to higher grades than in non-Telangana regions. Telangana has better infrastructure in the form of roads, electricity and telephone connections. A lower proportion of its land is affected by droughts and floods and the land area designated to be wasteland is lower in the region. However, Telangana lags behind non-Telangana regions with respect to primary education. Also, financial access as measured by the number of scheduled commercial banks is lower in Telangana than in the non-Telangana region. Finally, the number of people subsisting on agriculture is lower in Telangana; concomitantly, the net irrigated area is lower in Telangana than in the non-Telangana region.

Recall that following Telangana Rashtra Samiti chief K Chandrasekhar Rao’s 11-day hunger strike in 2009, the UPA government was ‘forced’ to consider the demand for a Telangana state, which would be carved out from 10 districts of Andhra Pradesh: Adilabad, Karimnagar, Warangal, Khammam, Nalgonda, Mehboobnagar, Medak, Nizamabad, Hyderabad and Rangareddy . The Union home ministry then constituted the Srikrishna panel.

The rationale that pro-Telangana activists have provided for the separate Telangana state is a simple one: Telangana’s economic development has been neglected in favour of the richer and more powerful Andhra region; therefore, a new state is the only solution. Several pieces of statistics are being brandied about by Telangana activists showing how the region has ended up getting a raw deal because of Andhra-centric leaders at helm. Since most arguments for Telangana’s statehood are economic (not lingual or ethnic), let us examine the economic rationale for a separate state in an objective manner.

As an academic who is not a native of Andhra Pradesh, I have no axe to grind in this entire issue. Therefore, I intend to show the raw numbers for what they are and then judge whether the economic rationale for a separate state is sound or not. I use data pertaining to the socioeconomic conditions in the Indian districts, derived from a new dataset called Indian Development Landscape . The dataset, put together by Indicus Analytics, captures information pertaining to agriculture, demography, economic status, education, empowerment , health and infrastructure for all our districts. These indicators, measured in 2001 and 2008, are derived from data provided by the Census of India, Reproductive and Child Health Survey, RBI, National Crime Records Bureau , Population Foundation of India as well as the ministry of rural development . The accompanying table provides the raw values for several economic indicators in Telangana (TG) and non-Telangana (Non-TG ) districts in 2008. It also shows the annual growth in these economic indicators over the 2001-08 period. We alsohave giventhe economic indicators for Telangana districts after excluding Hyderabad (TG w/o Hyd). This is because one common trick that pro- and anti-Telangana activists use is to exclude Hyderabad when it serves the purpose and include it when it does not serve their purpose.

Since the raw measures for 2008 as well as the annual growth rates are provided, one can draw one’s own conclusions. In my assessment, the indicators cited do not show any glaring differences for Telangana and rest of Andhra Pradesh. In fact, Telangana leads the non-Telangana regions with respect to several measures: GDP per capita, infrastructure, health and environment. In some other measures such as primary education , empowerment of women, Telangana does lag behind non-Telangana , which would be expected in a state as large in size as Andhra Pradesh . Hence, [/b]I would conclude that the economic rationale being provided for a separate Telangana state is largely politically motivated[/b] — economic indicators do not support such a move.

Sarma · Post by **Sarma** » 03 Jan 2011 23:47

Another article, this time in Times of India. The article below proves one thing: any underdevelopment in any part of India should be blamed on the local politicians, and NOT the people and politicians of other regions. The Telanganan people should realize the game their politicians are playing with their future.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 203360.cms

NEW DELHI: In a setback to the campaign for Telangana, the Srikrishna committee has dismissed the argument of economic backwardness for carving out a separate state, arguing that the region compared well with other regions of Andhra Pradesh.

The option of statehood for Telangana is low on its list of priorities. The Srikrishna panel, after a detailed analysis of district annual reports across regions, found that Telangana scored high on income generation, electricity, water and agriculture, lagging only in investment in education, with literacy rate lower than that in Coastal Andhra.

The estimate for Telangana has been prepared without including Hyderabad which, as capital, has seen high growth and investment.

The much-awaited report is set to be a dampener for proponents of statehood who have cited economic backwardness as the rationale for seeking division of Andhra.

The panel, making a clutch of recommendations to settle the debate for bifurcation, has recommended that "development" be the basis for decision-making in future.

The report will be made public on January 6 during an all-party meeting called by Union home minister P Chidambaram.

Sources said the report states that Telangana's growth story has been positive, with the region clocking a "high rate of growth" to not just catch up with Coastal Andhra but even overtake the latter on certain parameters.

The area of concern in Telangana is the disparity between the rich and the poor. While those with landed assets are progressing further, the poor are continuing to fall behind. The state of SC/STs and minorities requires more attention. The report, it is learnt, has found that Telangana scores high on "income generation" , largely because of higher "diversity of income" as compared to Coastal or Rayalaseema regions. The "diversity of income" sits in contrast with the largely agrarian economy of the Coastal region.

The per capita consumption of electricity in Telangana is higher vis-a-vis other regions. It is also better off with regard to availability of water. The farm sector in Telangana seems to be doing well with high productivity. An evidence of good farm output is the growth of rice mills in the region. While Telangana has been a water-scarce pocket, the study has found that the shortage is being made up with groundwater. Irrigation projects are also coming up to supplement local requirements.

Sarma · Post by **Sarma** » 03 Jan 2011 23:55

I am not very good at pasting Tables and Pictures. The link below has enormous amounts of statistics collected by Prof. Karthik Subramanian of ISB. I refer to his article in Economic Times artice 2 posts above. A quick glance shows that every economic rationale put forward by T-vadis is false and concocted. Please scroll to the bottom to see the exhaustive table of statistics

http://lite.epaper.timesofindia.com/mob ... ublabel=ET

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jan 2011 23:58

The real issue is the political power and means to acquire wealth. Hence in the simulation run by RamaY we used only political actors and their salience on each option. The economic argument is red herring. Its all political. The simualtion shows that there are further ramifications to the creation of T state in other states and that causes blowback to UPA partners and its they who hold the cards and none of them have local presence in Andhra Pradesh. BJP might blow hot but it has no salience in the issue as it has done two things wrong:

- One its leadership and presence in AP is confined to Telangana region. Yes Venkiah Naidu is from Chitoor but how many legions does he have. NONE.
- By conceding its electoral seats to TDP during the NDA days it has self marginalised itself.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 04 Jan 2011 01:09

ramana wrote: - One its leadership and presence in AP is confined to Telangana region. Yes Venkiah Naidu is from Chitoor but how many legions does he have. NONE.

He is a Kamma person from Nellore Dist. Being a RSS person and a loyal partyman he rose to the top post even though presence of BJP is non-existant there.

Tidbit of current leadership.

INC - DS Srinivas (Munnuru Kapu) Nizambad dist
PRP - Chiru (Kapu) West Godavari dist

TRS - KCR (Velama) Medak dist

BJP - Kishan Reddy (Reddy) Hyderabad dist
YSR - YS Jagan (Reddy) Cuddapah Dist
Chief Minister - KKR (Reddy) Chittoor Dist

TDP - CBN (Kamma) Chittoor Dist
CPI - Narayana (Kamma) Chittoor Dist
CPI-M - Raghavalu (Kamma) Prakasam Dist
Loksatta - JP (Kamma) Krishna Dist

ramana wrote:BJP might blow hot but it has no salience in the issue as it has done two things wrong:

- One its leadership and presence in AP is confined to Telangana region. Yes Venkiah Naidu is from Chitoor but how many legions does he have. NONE.
- By conceding its electoral seats to TDP during the NDA days it has self marginalised itself.

BJP never had any strength and presence in non-T areas so question of self-marginalization is moot. Their numbers in non-T was mostly TDP's.
In T areas they never had proper strategy except being useful in riot times. They thought they can capture from T end and whipped T demand.
Congress effectively used same T strategy to keep them away from AP.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jan 2011 01:44

Someone needs to put the statistics of development of Telangana region to that Nizam areas currently in Maharastra and those in Karnataka. I am looking for some article like that and none so far. I am sure Telangana developed far better than those regions.

Sarma garu,
The whole case is build by comparing Telangana region to that of Konaseema. Obviously konaseema will be miles and miles ahead of any region from non-Hyderabad portions of Telangana. Compare cities like Vizag, Vijayawada, Guntur, Rajamundry, Kakinada, Tirupati to next best cities of Telangana such as Warangal, Khammam, Nizamabad and Bodhan. You will not call the T cities as even cities except for Warangal.

AP needs to comeout of the shani phase of the kundali. It needs a leader like Modi, Chavan, Yeddi or Nitish and the potential of the state in all regions is immense.

Sarma · Post by **Sarma** » 04 Jan 2011 02:12

Muppalla garu: You bring up a new metric of development, and there will not be an end to this list. I am going to bank on two competitive studies, and they say that T has done as well as, if not better than, the rest of AP. You want to exclude Hyderabad, but not Vizag and Vijayawada. Such an argument, IMHO, is specious and there cannot be a logical discussion based on it. Why not talk about Warangal, Karimnagar, Srikakulam and Vijayanagaram? That way, there are not any cities worth mentioning in 10 districts of Seema + coastal district.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jan 2011 02:25

Sarma wrote:Muppalla garu: You bring up a new metric of development, and there will not be an end to this list. I am going to bank on two competitive studies, and they say that T has done as well as, if not better than, the rest of AP. You want to exclude Hyderabad, but not Vizag and Vijayawada. Such an argument, IMHO, is specious and there cannot be a logical discussion based on it. Why not talk about Warangal, Karimnagar, Srikakulam and Vijayanagaram? That way, there are not any cities worth mentioning in 10 districts of Seema + coastal district.

That is exactly my point too. There are three to four districts (Krishna, two Godavaris, Guntur and probablby Vizag city) which are richest and if you start comparision to these with any other areas of AP they will look under developed. The whole case is built that way. The committe probably destroyed the theories.

My point of three regions of erstwhile Nizam comparision is also a good data point if done. That will also prove or disporve if T is neglected to a point where the split portions in Maha and KA went way ahead than their sister in AP.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Jan 2011 06:40

The demand is now mainly run by people who realised they have no chance of becomming CM and loot the state. If TDP comes to power then it is CBN if not then some leader of INC like YSR. Telangana leaders never tried to grow to state level and Velama caste fellows who looted people along with NIzam now are fully out of power like KCR so both the gangs now want division so that they can have a good loot out of Hyd city and real estate there.

As I have already posted earlier lot of extorsion is going on in the name of Telangana agitation and no one is asking some serious questions as to how money for all these drama is comming from. My own brother in law was asked to pay 25000/- for that Warangal Meeting and asked to sent his (not own) buses. If a small man like him were asked this much you can imagine how much is being demanded from others in Hyderabad. At one point of time the state and central governaments have to call their bluff. But question is of the political will. Does KKR and Sonia gang has that and how they want to use this matter for their political ends is the question. Two more days to go

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 04 Jan 2011 07:14

ShyamSP wrote:Now RGV got script for Rakta Charitra 3. Looks like a rejoicing time in Ananthapur.
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Maddelacheruvu Suri shot dead at point blank!!
http://newsofap.com/newsofap-30324-21-m ... ank--.html

It could truly be a Rakta Charitra 3

Intelligence sources said they suspected Paritala Ravi’s follower Chaman may be behind the attack. Chaman, a wanted factionist, has been living in Belgaum for many years.

Only a couple of months ago, Suri’s staunch opponent Pothula Suresh was arrested and brought to Cherlapalli jail.

Suresh had been underground ever since Paritala Ravi was killed in 2005, fearing for life in the YS Rajasekhar Reddy government.

In less than a year after YSR died, Suresh was arrested and jailed.

Maddelachervu Suri’s Killer

This is Bhanu, the right hand of Maddelachervu Suri. He is being suspected as the man who shot Suri. It had been a practice of Suri to keep the details of his destiny a secret affair before getting into the car. It is Suri who used to direct the driver at each turning on road. Bhanu, who was reported to have taken ‘supari’ from some of Suri’s enemies killed him today opening fire on him.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Jan 2011 07:50

^ Whose person is Maddula Chervu Suri?

If we know to whom a message will be sent with Suri's murder, we will know who planned and triggered it.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jan 2011 09:04

CBN's strategy of keeping the T-TDP folks cool and respected seems to have worked pretty good.

http://www.suryaa.com/main/showNews.asp ... ntId=11802
[it is in Telugu and difficult for me to translate line by line]

The summary:
(1) No need to take a hasty decision and jump from TDP to TRS. Telangana formation, TRS future etc are all up in the air.
(2) Jagan can split even T-INC votes. It could be advantage TDP if there is a four cornered contest between TDP, TRS, INC, JAGAN
(3) TDP's T-cadre is in tact

So folks are really looking at imminent elections seriously.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jan 2011 09:06

RamaY,
Could you please add Run 3 and the description to the slides?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Jan 2011 20:13

Suri was a congress side goon. Ravi was an naxal (so called) and raised into prominence by NTR to have some muscle power in Ananthapuram Dist of Rayalaseema. This Ravi killed many congress goondas and killers for TDP and when TDP lost power Ravi was killed by Congress people. So there is no need for any one to feel anything. This Suri killed 26 innocent bystander people in a bomb attack. So the more people like this dead the better.