Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 Jan 2011 08:13

Going by the photograph Salman Taseer’s assassin Mumtaz Qadri looks like one of the piously pure. Certainly has a prominent prayer bump / scar, apparently known as a zabiba /zebiba / zebibah, which translated from Arabic apparently means “Raisin“.

I thought “Raisin” was “Hoor” or “Houri” and something that was reserved for heaven where you got 72 if you were pious enough.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jan 2011 08:14

A_Gupta wrote:Whatever type of a*hole Salman Taseer was, he stood finally and fatally for something right:
“She is a woman who has been incarcerated for a year-and-a half on a charge trumped up against her five days after an incident where people who gave evidence against her were not even present. So this is a blatant violation against a member of a minority community. I, like a lot of right-minded people, was outraged, and all I did was to show my solidarity. It is the first time in the history of the Punjab that a governor has gone inside a district jail, held a press conference and stated clearly that this is a blatant miscarriage of justice and that the sentence that has been passed is cruel and inhumane. I wanted to take a mercy petition to the president, and he agreed, saying he would pardon Aasiya Bibi if there had indeed been a miscarriage of justice.”
His stance took some courage, and his courage did not wilt in the face of fatwas against him declaring him a blasphemer and apostate, and he did not flinch with the knowledge that he was going against a plurality of Pakistani public opinion.

In the tradition of the Indian jawan respecting a courageous enemy, I believe he and his family who have been bereaved, should be accorded some respect.

Arun, Salman Taseeer is a martyr to the system that created him, nurtured him and put him where he was just before he died. He and his ilk enjoyed their status and freedoms without insight, complaint or criticism while it lasted and he refused to read the writing on the wall until it was too late.

Baikul that was an interesting post that has made a little light come on in my mind.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jan 2011 08:14

arun wrote:Going by the photograph Salman Taseer’s assassin Mumtaz Qadri looks like one of the piously pure. Certainly has a prominent prayer bump / scar, apparently known as a zabiba /zebiba / zebibah, which translated from Arabic apparently means “Raisin“.

I thought “Raisin” was “Hoor” or “Houri” and something that was reserved for heaven where you got 72 if you were pious enough.

Don't SDREs call it "Gatta"

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Jan 2011 08:18

http://criticalppp.com/archives/36167

This killer would soon meet his well deserved fate but Mumtaz Qadris are every where, they are in our schools, bazaars, mosques, madrassas, universities, colleges, offices, law enforcing agencies, political parties and especially media and if we roughly and/or honestly calculate, every second person that we deal in our daily life is a Mumtaz Qadri….

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Jan 2011 08:20

http://criticalppp.com/archives/36156

This is a murder most foul. It brought forward the nakedness and emptiness of Pakistani society. A society bent on killing every sane element amongst itself. A totally deranged and dysfunctional society where only those people holding guns in their hands have monopoly over everything from political discourse to basic human rights.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Jan 2011 08:27

http://humaimtiaz.wordpress.com/2011/01 ... -governor/

Taseer’s assassination; even though assassination is too mild a word to describe it, the correct term should be cold-blooded murder at the hands of a Pakistani who has grown up and is continuously spoon-fed state and the right-wing religious lobby’s propaganda about Islam, blasphemy and secularism, is not the beginning of the end. This is the end. There is no going back from here, there is no miracle cure, there is no magic wand that will one day make everything better. Saying “enough is enough” does not cut it anymore, I think we can all agree that enough was enough ages ago, when the first murder under the garb of protecting Islam took place. With each bullet that deranged gunman pumped into Taseer’s body, with each person celebrating Taseer’s murder, with each person who has approved or justified his death on national TV, with each politician who promised that they would not change the law or allow it to be changed, the rape of humanity has been carried out, repeatedly.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Jan 2011 08:30

shiv wrote:Arun, Salman Taseeer is a martyr to the system that created him, nurtured him and put him where he was just before he died. He and his ilk enjoyed their status and freedoms without insight, complaint or criticism while it lasted and he refused to read the writing on the wall until it was too late.

Let's say he had his Gorbachev moment. Gorby, however, was not killed.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 05 Jan 2011 08:32

"Mera azm itna buland hai ke paraye shaulon ka dar nahin
Mujhe khauf aatish-e-gul se hai, ye kaheen chaman ko jala ne de"

[My resolve is so strong that I do not fear the flames from without
I fear only the radiance of the flowers, that it might burn my garden down]

— Shakeel Badayuni couplet referenced by Salmaan Taseer on Twitter, 8 hours before his assassination

In a recent interview, he was asked why he chose to raise the issue of the unjust blasphemy laws when he knew that he would receive brickbats from the rightist parties and become the target of the extremists. He replied: "Because if even I don't, how will others get over their fears?"

http://cafepyala.blogspot.com/2011/01/r ... emers.html

If your justifiable hatred of Pakistan or disgust at Pakistan - if hatred is too strong a word - buries your humanity, then what is left? The Mullahs would have won.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 05 Jan 2011 08:35

Shiv, I will check in to see if you decide to say what that light was.

On a more general note, it would be interesting to understand why Taseer took a stand on this issue as opposed to a hundred others.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 05 Jan 2011 08:38

google ben reveals this foto.

TSP lays in tatters and the eagle flies away.

Vivek Kumar · Post by **Vivek Kumar** » 05 Jan 2011 08:44

One RAPE lay in tatters for sure...
http://www.kalam.tv/ur/video/58500/index.html
Warning: Graphic

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 05 Jan 2011 08:44

Yesterday it were Bengalis, today fellow pakistanis.
http://www.viewpointonline.net/a-khaki- ... -1971.html

A_Gupta wrote:http://humaimtiaz.wordpress.com/2011/01 ... -governor/
Taseer’s assassination; even though assassination is too mild a word to describe it, the correct term should be cold-blooded murder at the hands of a Pakistani who has grown up and is continuously spoon-fed state and the right-wing religious lobby’s propaganda about Islam, blasphemy and secularism, is not the beginning of the end. This is the end. There is no going back from here, there is no miracle cure, there is no magic wand that will one day make everything better. Saying “enough is enough” does not cut it anymore, I think we can all agree that enough was enough ages ago, when the first murder under the garb of protecting Islam took place. With each bullet that deranged gunman pumped into Taseer’s body, with each person celebrating Taseer’s murder, with each person who has approved or justified his death on national TV, with each politician who promised that they would not change the law or allow it to be changed, the rape of humanity has been carried out, repeatedly.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jan 2011 08:52

A_Gupta, Interesting you ask why he took the stance? Am sure he was aware of what he was doing could have negative consequences/risks as revealed by his tweets.

Many writers and thinkers have asked why did Julius Caesar enter the Senate on that fateful day despite the oracles, the spy reports, the hand submitted scrolls, wife's entreaties and the omens?

To understand why one had to know Rome at that time. It was in transition. The republic had changed to an oligachy controlled by generals with legions. Add to that wealthy men bought power. All in all Rome was not what it was. Add to that Julius Caesar was not a man who was afraid to confront danger. He was no coward and had suppressed mutinies with mere words. he hoped the conspirators would similarly be cowed and not dare to kill him. By his death he collapsed the rotten republican system in Rome and led to the establishment of the Imperial Rome in all its glory. In other words he dared his attackers and hoped to usher in a new system.

Its upto the RAPES and Elites to see if Taseer's sacrifice would be used to transform the nightmare or lead to further mess.

Most likely Kiyani will award the killer Nishan e Hizb or what not and the judge will release him for lack of four witnesses! And then there is the US that will support any crook/thug in TSP in name of stability.

The blogs you post reflect angst and not the fury of Mark Anthony which fired up the people to change.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 05 Jan 2011 08:53

500+ Barelvi religious scholars praise Qadri

KARACHI: More than 500 religious scholars belonging to the Barelvi school of thought paid rich tributes to the assassin of Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer on Tuesday and urged ‘Muslims across the country’ to boycott the funeral ceremony.

The largest body of the Barelvi group, the Jamaate Ahle Sunnat Pakistan (JASP), whose directions are considered binding on every other organisation that follows the same school of thought, issued a statement saying that “No Muslim should attend the funeral or even try to pray for Salmaan Taseer or even express any kind of regret or sympathy over the incident.”

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 05 Jan 2011 09:11

Vivek Kumar wrote:One RAPE lay in tatters for sure...
http://www.kalam.tv/ur/video/58500/index.html
Warning: Graphic

Notice how 181 people "like" this on FB?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jan 2011 09:14

Yeah I noticed too. They are beyond redemption.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 05 Jan 2011 09:16

http://claws.in/index.php?action=master ... 97&u_id=36
No reprocessing plants have been built in India since the 1990’s which indicates that India is no great rush to expand its nuclear arsenal. In the absence of a nuclear arms race in South Asia, it is pertinent to ask why Pakistan is expanding its nuclear programme. This perhaps could have something to do with a threat perception emanating from Iran’s quest to become a nuclear power. It appears that a nexus exists between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan on the issue to counter the growth of Iran’s nuclear capability. It seems that Pakistan is underwriting Saudi Arabia’s nuclear potential and that some kind of understanding/agreement exists between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia on the issue. Pakistan is likely to keep a stockpile of nuclear weapons for Saudi Arabia, paid for by the latter. This will be used as a deterrent against any Iranian or third party threat to the Saudis.

Saudi Arabia is replacing CSS-2 with the CSS-5 missile which could be nuclear tipped. Iran’s nuclear programme hence raises the demand in Pakistan for stockpile material to cater to the defence requirements of the Saudis. With respect to nuclear deterrence, Saudi Arabia has three options: -
• Seek a US nuclear umbrella
• Develop indigenous nuclear capability
• Use Pakistan’s nuclear weapons as proxy.

Saudi Arabia will be most comfortable with the last of these propositions. There is also a geopolitical dimension in supplying nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia. As neither Saudi Arabia nor Pakistan is comfortable with Iran’s growing quest for nuclear capability, this could in turn fuel a nuclear arms race in the region with the Saudis pitching in with Pakistan to deter the Iranians thus impacting on stability in the Middle East.

US is preparing to make sure Iran is boxed in and has a nuclear rival.
India Pakistan is a side show for distraction

sum · Post by **sum** » 05 Jan 2011 09:20

Will the funeral have more IED mubaraks? Who will provide security for the funeral, colleagues of Qadri? interesting questions onlee...

Vivek Kumar · Post by **Vivek Kumar** » 05 Jan 2011 09:31

def dumb forums have some revealing discussions going on. Nothing that is not known here on BR already, but interesting insight into paki mindset nonetheless. Goldmine for students of piskology.

disha · Post by **disha** » 05 Jan 2011 09:36

A_Gupta wrote:In the tradition of the Indian jawan respecting a courageous enemy, I believe he and his family who have been bereaved, should be accorded some respect.

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His fate was ordained and is just an overt example of what is happening every moment in Bakistan today. And there is no question of bereavement, since 1947, the Indian nation has bereaved already and has gotten over it. The only thing we can say to Bakis, if we chose not to ignore them is, we already told you so. Yes it maybe gloating, but that is the most we can spare.

A_Gupta wrote:If your justifiable hatred of Pakistan or disgust at Pakistan - if hatred is too strong a word - buries your humanity, then what is left? The Mullahs would have won.

It is not that the humanity is buried. It is, what we already know about, that they are inhumans has come to fore so overtly and all we can say is - we told you so. If you need examples., just look at the photo of the killer - the joy on his face on a deed done. And all the facebook support he is getting.

The reality is that nobody cares about them for them, they are going down a dung hole and the only humane thing to do is to hasten the process. If we cannot do that, just stand aside and watch - let them stew in their own juices.

disha · Post by **disha** » 05 Jan 2011 09:42

^^^

For whatever it is worth., in pakjab - Badmash is courting the beards., Taseer wanted to create his own space, became victim of the proxy fight between 10 percenti and badmaash. Throw in Army and Geelanahi. Taseer's blasphemous ways came in handy to take him out. The assassin is nothing but a deluded foot soldier and welcome to the farce of political Islam.

sum · Post by **sum** » 05 Jan 2011 09:47

In rediff:

Vishvaksenah E
The real perpetrators of this crime
by Vishvaksenah E (View MyPage) on Jan 05, 2011 09:21 AM | Hide replies

CID Diggi got a sms from Salman Tasseer that he feared danger from the right wing saffron terrorists whose base is in Nagpur.
The real name of Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri is Madhav Mamata Hari Keshav.
Long live secularism !

PTI news, Jan 5, 2011, New Delhi
Salmaan Taseer, the slain Governor of Punjab province, made a quick call to Diggy Singh 40 minutes before he was assassinated by his security guard. He informed Diggy that he was facing threats from RSS members. Diggy will make the telephone call record public during tomorrow's press conference. According to rumors from UPA camp, Diggy will be given Bharat Ratna for his achievements and will be made the Chief of CBI for his detective skills.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 05 Jan 2011 09:58

so..there goes another myth of pakis...'majority of us are barelvis..not deobandis or wahabbis' //implying barelvis are inherently peaceful..good etc..

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 05 Jan 2011 10:29

CID Diggi got a sms from Salman Tasseer that he feared danger from the right wing saffron terrorists whose base is in Nagpur.

The RSS is less serial killer and more cereal eater.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Jan 2011 10:31

Gus wrote:so..there goes another myth of pakis...'majority of us are barelvis..not deobandis or wahabbis' //implying barelvis are inherently peaceful..good etc..

Most Poaks are overtly Wah-Rabbits and Deo-Bandits and now Bar-Elvis have joined the group with big bang. Together they will soon sing Swan song for a their 69 year old search in purest form of Islam.

Pakistan diya Mauja hi Mauja ,Charro passe Fauja Hi Fauja!!
India offered IT Diya Joba, Agge Picche Kaandde Choba,
Roz Raat Poak karre Pukar, Chadd de mainu hoar na Maar.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 05 Jan 2011 10:47

Ramanna,that was a most interesting comparison with ancient Rome.You are right.Pak is at the crossroads of history.The dawning that it is teetering on the precipice has hit those of the Paki elite who were products of the west,took their handouts and enjoyed a liberal western lifestyle,while piously and hypocritically taking shelter under the flag of an Islamic state that has degenrated into an Islamist killing machine.They have been fleeing the state in recent times as each catastrophe is followed by another one even worse.The "beardies" are the equivalent of the barbarians at the gates of Rome and Jinnah's moth-eaten state now seems doomed to fall to them unless a miracle is achieved by Pak's military musclemen,which seems unlikely since itb has been saturated with beardies who will innevitably also control one day the military nuclear machine of Pak.My post in another thread about Paki nukes at the ready for the Saudis indicates that the hardline Islamists are actually in control now,flexing their muscles along with their Saudi counterparts,posing an even more dangerous threat to the region and beyond than mere terrorism.

Taseer's courageous stand against the beardies has come too late and too little for Pak.The clean-up should've been made a few years ago.His assassination yet again asks the Q that has been asked countless times down the centuries,"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"....who will guard the guardians?

PS:Salman Taseer murder throws Pakistan into fresh crisisPunjab governor shot by own bodyguard, who opposed reform of Pakistan's blasphemy laws
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ja ... r-pakistan

In one of his last tweets, Taseer wrote: "I was under huge pressure 2 cow down b4 rightest pressure on blasphemy. Refused. Even if I'm the last man standing."

It was a darkly prophetic comment.

Joseph · Post by **Joseph** » 05 Jan 2011 10:59

Prem wrote:
Gus wrote:so..there goes another myth of pakis...'majority of us are barelvis..not deobandis or wahabbis' //implying barelvis are inherently peaceful..good etc..
Most Poaks are overtly Wah-Rabbits and Deo-Bandits and now Bar-Elvis have joined the group with big bang. Together they will soon sing Swan song for a their 69 year old search in purest form of Islam.

Pakistan diya Mauja hi Mauja ,Charro passe Fauja Hi Fauja!!
India offered IT Diya Joba, Agge Picche Kaandde Choba,
Roz Raat Poak karre Pukar, Chadd de mainu hoar na Maar.

When the Data Darbar shrine was attacked six months ago, there was much angst about it in Pakistan compared to what was shown for the attacks on the Ahmadi mosques a few months prior.

Have things declined that fast in the past six months with the Barelvi leaders now endorsing things like the murder of Salman Taseer?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Jan 2011 11:12

Thanks Philip.
One has to draw the right analogies.

Joseph, Its the common educated TSPian (rhymes with barbarian) are all tweeting and facebooking the murderer. We don't know its the Barelvi leadership yet.

The more worrisome fact is the guy was Police Elite security member. This means the police forces are also suspect.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Jan 2011 11:17

A Paki comments

http://community.nytimes.com/comments/w ... istan.html

A.Syed
Chicago, IL

As an Pakistani-American I am saddened by this news. After traveling back to Pakistan over the past few years I've realized that the only way the US can hold back the anger/agression of the religious extremists is to simply stop the drone attacks, leave Afghanistan and Pakistan and cut off all official gov't aid to Pakistan (to avoid looking like we're pulling puppet strings).

What many people refuse to understand is that our simple presence in Pakistan is being used by extremists to recruit vulnerable young men to their side.

Some of the commenters seem to believe that a religion is to blame or a certain people. Let me remind all that this is borderline Islamophobia/bigotry. Those who feel this way should know that their counterparts in Pakistan are the Jamaat Islami Party and other radical bigots.

Lastly, to the Pakistanis. Pull your country together. This is not about Islam vs. the West. It is about the foundation of your existance. Let me remind you that the Pakistani flag is colored green for Muslims and white for the non-Muslim minority. In other words, it is about living in harmony and blasphemy laws make living side by side (like in Muhammad Ali Jinnah's vision of Pakistan) much harder.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Jan 2011 11:27

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0 ... -fanatics/

Jahanzaib Haque, a Web editor for Pakistan’s Express Tribune newspaper, wrote on Twitter: “We have 50% comments coming in praising the guard… busy deleting them… I feel sick.”

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Jan 2011 11:32

MPs get nod for Pakistan trip after UK drops funding plan

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/MPs-g ... lan/733488

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Jan 2011 11:41

The war within MoD to MEA: propose, dispose

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-w ... se/733396/

This is one area where the Prime Minister was expected to sail smoothly but whether it be improving ties with Pakistan, managing those with China or taking forward the partnership with the United States, he’s hit rough weather.

Consider Pakistan. That side, the 26/11 trial has been prolonged without any real intent of sentencing. In fact, the Home Minister’s skepticism has grown by the day and at one stage, he is said to have expressed his frustration at Pakistan’s pace. More importantly, even the peace talks have failed to take off.

External Affairs Minister S M Krishna’s visit to Islamabad illustrated this. A week earlier, Chidambaram had gone to Pakistan and delivered a hard message, asking for Pakistan to deliver on the trial. His trip was meant to make progress on the peace front. However, the coordination did not quite work with Home Secretary G K Pillai pointing the finger at ISI, a day before Krishna’s departure. A Pakistani Foreign Minister with different objectives used it as an excuse to scuttle the talks.

The next attempt was made in New York on the margins of the UNGA. This time the Indian delegation purportedly had the green signal to agree to talks on all issues. All New Delhi wanted to ensure was no structural similarity to the composite dialogue. Krishna’s counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi brought up plebiscite in Kashmir and this, it is believed, left no scope for a meeting in New York.

Yet, it’s learnt that the message from New Delhi was not to let the speech come in the way. It was, incidentally, Krishna who disagreed and took a decision there to hold back on talks. Officials conjecture that he was mindful of public opinion back home after Qureshi’s blistering anti-India address.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Jan 2011 11:55

Philip wrote:Pak is at the crossroads of history.

Philip, hasn't Pakistan been at such crossroads a hundred times before, the last one about three years back, almost to this day, in December 2007 ? At every crossroad, Pakistan took a road that only eventually led to greater misery, not only to itself but to India (and nowadays to the rest of the world too). Pakistan will similarly take the route that will plunge her into more problems. It will sharpen the trade of the Islamist terrorist even more as the assassin's case goes before the court. Who would have the guts to find fault with him, much less punish him, on a case of blasphemy ? What message will it send to the society ? How will this embolden the just cause of the sectarian jihadi Islamist terrorists ? Already, the Pakistani courts have released most dreaded terrorists for lack of evidence. The Punjab Law Minister, Rana Sanaullah, furiously defended the Blasphemy law and so did the federal minister and even the Prime Minister. So long as Islam remains unreformed in Pakistan, that country will only be seeking to reach greater heights of medieval Islamist glory.

I always marvel at the foresightedness of the Spanish Ambassador to Pakistan who said 50 years back these words: “. . . this country will drift from crisis to calamity, from calamity to catastrophe, and from catastrophe to disaster.”

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Jan 2011 12:03

who was this great thinker (the ambassador), any refs?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Jan 2011 12:09

Rehman Malik in trouble now:
Rehman Malik can't even recite the Surah Ikhlas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWB0W54HDQA

Rehman Malik can't even say Bismillah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQILu_dTnW8

AoA

Joseph · Post by **Joseph** » 05 Jan 2011 12:12

Singha wrote:who was this great thinker (the ambassador), any refs?

The best link that I have found so far.
Hobbling along

Joseph · Post by **Joseph** » 05 Jan 2011 12:22

ramana wrote: Joseph, Its the common educated TSPian (rhymes with barbarian) are all tweeting and facebooking the murderer. We don't know its the Barelvi leadership yet.

The more worrisome fact is the guy was Police Elite security member. This means the police forces are also suspect.

Any idea on what percentage of Pakis posting, tweeting and facebooking (in English) are Barelvi (moderate) and what percentage would be classified as Deoband or Wahhabi or similar (ultra religious)?

habal · Post by **habal** » 05 Jan 2011 12:35

It seems like Taseer was a shia.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Jan 2011 12:50

Singha wrote:who was this great thinker (the ambassador), any refs?

Singha, I do not have a reference, but Joseph has provided one above.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Jan 2011 12:54

In Pakistan, a death foretold

http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/ ... -foretold/