Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 06 Jan 2011 00:17

Roses for Pakistan governor's alleged killer

– Lawyers showered the suspected killer of a prominent Pakistani governor with rose petals when he arrived at court Wednesday and an influential Muslim scholars group praised the assassination of the outspoken opponent of laws that order death for those who insult Islam.

Mumtaz Qadri, 26, made his first appearance in an Islamabad court where a judge remanded him in custody a day after he allegedly sprayed automatic gunfire at the back of Punjab province Gov. Salman Taseer while he was supposed to be protecting him as a bodyguard. A rowdy crowd slapped him on the back and kissed his cheek as he was escorted inside the court. The lawyers who tossed the rose petals were not involved in the case.
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Questions have arisen about whether others were involved in the assassination and why Qadri was assigned to Taseer's detail.

Faisal Raza Abdi, political adviser to Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari, said officials with the Punjab police told him that months ago the department had deemed Qadri a security risk because he had extremist views, and said he should not be assigned to protect high-profile figures.

Abdi said he was told that assessment was part of the investigation. He said the fact that Qadri was allowed to guard Taseer suggested others may have played a role in the killing.

"I do not think this is an individual act. It is a well-planned murder," he told The Associated Press by phone.
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Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 06 Jan 2011 00:22

Sanku wrote:No illusion of state to get money from 2 1/2 of its 3 1/2 friends, since there is no one who can deliver.

I have not yet seen any indications that this is going to happen.

Unless some external stimulus occurs.

All it is happening is the shade of green is becoming darker.

At the most what will happen will happen is another Zia style/Iran/Saudi (in greater green) fashion.

There was excitement in BR some 2 years ago during Bhutto collapse days that Pakistan as a state will collapse. All I am seeing is a redux of that excitement, without any look at ground realities.

Pakistan as a state is NOT going to collapse without external stimulus.

The only state which might have some advantage in it, India has shown no indication that it is working for it. So I change my above statement as,

Pakistan is not going to collapse.

munna · Post by **munna** » 06 Jan 2011 00:26

A_Gupta wrote:So smelling the roses is the same as standing up for justice for someone who is in jail and sentenced to death?
Your scale of values never ceases to amaze me.

If an Indian refuses to treat the enemy side with an iota of compassion it is understandable though not universal response. There is nothing wrong or immoral about being cold towards a political event in an adversarial country. The fact of the matter is the so called "justice", "mullah-cracy" or "standing up" are that society's internal matters. If their frankenstein wants to eat them alive there is little to be expected from an Indian by way of action or solidarity.

A_Gupta wrote:PS: the source of Indian problems also becomes clear to me. The mullahs have their indian counterparts in Hindu and nationalist garb.

Actually the source of Indian problems is our own RAPE class that has more in common with Pakjabi RAPE class and expresses solidarity with people who openly talk of destroying India over a peg or two of Jameson's. I have enough morals left in me to recognize the harm potential to my country mates and decide accordingly rather than chase meaningless DIE ideals.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Jan 2011 00:29

A_Gupta wrote:PS: the source of Indian problems also becomes clear to me. The mullahs have their indian counterparts in Hindu and nationalist garb.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 06 Jan 2011 00:33

CRamS wrote:More wisdom from a TSP "expert"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/30/opini ... ven30.html

First some wierd logic

Advocates of ground raids seem to think that they are merely an extension of the current campaign of drone attacks on targets in Pakistan’s tribal areas, which have caused great resentment and have had very doubtful success.

Pakistani officers from captain to lieutenant general have told me that the entry of U.S. ground forces into Pakistan in pursuit of the Taliban and Al Qaeda is by far the most dangerous scenario for both Pakistan-U.S. relations and the unity of the Pakistani Army. As one retired general explained, drone attacks, though ordinary officers and soldiers find them humiliating, are not a critical issue because the Pakistani military cannot do anything about them.

“U.S. ground forces inside Pakistan are a different matter because the soldiers can do something about them,” he said. “They can fight. And if they don’t fight, they will feel utterly humiliated before their wives, mothers, children. It would be a matter of honor, which as you know is a tremendous thing in our society. These men have sworn an oath to defend Pakistani soil. So they would fight. And if the generals told them not to fight, many of them would mutiny, starting with the Frontier Corps.”
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the real reason seems to be in this article dated 2009 from NYT.
Obama’s Worst Pakistan Nightmare

WHAT OBAMA NOW inherits in Pakistan is a fully dysfunctional relationship between that country and the United States. Last summer, Bush signed secret orders allowing American special forces to run ground raids into Pakistani territory to root out not only Al Qaeda but also a list of other militants who could be targeted by either the C.I.A. or American military commandos. The first such raid, in September, provoked such a firefight and outrage in Pakistan that most other raids were suspended. But the reasons for the Pakistani government’s anger went beyond the concern that Bush was publicly violating Pakistani sovereignty. If American special forces were now authorized to come into the country to snatch or kill a range of militants, several Pakistani officials said to me, would it be very long before they tried to get the country’s nuclear weapons as well?

Though few in Washington will admit it, it is the right question. At the end of Bush’s term, his aides handed over to Obama’s transition team a lengthy review of policy in Afghanistan and Pakistan, concluding that in the end, the United States has far more at stake in preventing Pakistan’s collapse than it does in stabilizing Afghanistan or Iraq.

U.S. efforts fail to convince Pakistan's top general to target Taliban

Calling Pakistan America's "most bullied ally," Kayani said that the "real aim of U.S. strategy is to de-nuclearize Pakistan."

Nooclear bum is the only one which can help TSP scare India. Hence unlikely to allow uncle to step inside TSP because of the paranoid fears of losing the bum.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Jan 2011 00:41

RamaY wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:PS: the source of Indian problems also becomes clear to me. The mullahs have their indian counterparts in Hindu and nationalist garb.

Ravan's sons should never have been killed and indians must share the grief of Ravan and lauds the bravery of Indrajit or Akhaykumar . Ramayan has given wrong message to Indians. We can laud Taseer's good hygenic qualities but The way he treated his own son and comments like leaving hs foreskin in India tell us he was a real Poak to core and since onlee good Poak is a Parloki Poak , we can now call him a good Poak.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 06 Jan 2011 00:59

after Siddharth Varadrajan here is another fundu

Time to span distance by Kuldip Nayyar

QAID-E-AZAM Mohammad Ali Jinnah said soon after winning Pakistan that his country would never mix state with religion. The forces which are today trying to assert are going against the undertaking he gave. The killing of Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer indicates not only religious extremism but also the disdain shown to Jinnah's teachings

Pakistan's case is different because extremism is on the rise. The more fundamentalisms are propitiated, the more they get strengthened. The Taliban on the one side and the bigoted among the people on the other can be harmful to the nation's development and progress.

New Delhi can be of some help in the situation by starting a dialogue with Islamabad. People in Pakistan may see in the talks a way out of the impasse they face on so many fronts. India's foreign minister S.M. Kirshna may be justified in his statement that Pakistan's posture of "compulsive hostility" towards India would not help a serious and sustained dialogue between the two countries

archan · Post by **archan** » 06 Jan 2011 01:02

A_Gupta, I am gonna have to ask you to either take it to another thread or stop. Thanks.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 06 Jan 2011 01:06

ramana wrote:They are preparing for Baloch spin away by removing possible military infrastructure.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? I like to see the dots and your connections, for gyan sake.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Jan 2011 01:15

Salmaan Taseer: 1946-2011

Staff Report

LAHORE: Salmaan Taseer was born on June 12, 1946 to Dr Din Muhammad Taseer, who was the *first Muslim* in the Indian Subcontinent to earn a PhD (Doctor of Philosophy) in English Literature and had a close association with great Muslim leaders like Dr Allama Muhammad Iqbal.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 011_pg13_3

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg7_9
If Benazir Bhutto was the first to fall on a just cause to purge the country of bigotry and bring in tolerance in the society, Salmaan Taseer was second to render his life for the same cause. Who will be next, no body knows but obviously it would be someone from among those who would keep on struggling for truth and the true message that does not interpret the edicts of one individual or the other.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... his-killer

Bernie Bongo (BongoBern) wrote:
What are you gonna do with a culture that believes stuff like that? I can see the ultra-conservatives in this country salivating at a chance to put this country under the thumb of an invisible, inscrutable, irascible, cantankerous, mythological, unproven entity, via some kind of Christian leader/president/dictator.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... b298dd.681

He visited a Christian mother-of-five sentenced to death for insulting the Prophet Mohammed, declaring that he was confident she was innocent.
"I was under huge pressure sure 2 cow down b4 rightest pressure on blasphemy. Refused. Even if I?m the last man standing," was one tweet.
"Tomorrow mullahs r demonstrating against me after Juma (Friday prayers). Thousands of beards screaming 4 my head. What a great feeling!" was another.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 06 Jan 2011 01:20

Gagan wrote:Now look at this:
The wife and daughter of Salman Taseer actually met with Aasia Bibi in full media glare.

There is news that his daughter's bikini photos had surfaced in facebook. Is she that daughter?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Jan 2011 01:24

http://www.indolink.com/displayArticleS ... 0411084311
Is Pakistan part of South Asia?

Aparna Pande

Pakistan's Foreign Secretary Salmon Bakshih recently remarked that "Pakistan, India and other countries in South Asia and the region's population of over one billion people cannot be geographically separated." The remark represents a departure from years of attempts by Pakistan to deny its South Asian identity and link up instead with the Muslim Middle East. Geographically, linguistically, culturally and historically South Asia is a vital part of Pakistan’s personality. Yet for decades a majority of Pakistani policy makers, intellectuals and strategists have attempted to virtually relocate Pakistan within the Muslim Arab Middle East. India's name is derived from the river Indus, which now flows primarily through Pakistan. Most of Pakistan's pre-partition history is the same as that of India. The term Pakistan is an acronym patterned on place names used in Central Asia, names that were brought to India by rulers of Central Asian origin who eventually merged or became an integral part of India. They are not Arabic in origin. Pakistanis do not speak any of the major languages identified with the Middle East -Arabic, Persian and Turkish - and their cuisine and costumes, too, have greater similarity with South Asian food and clothing. Linguistically most of Pakistan's languages are spoken in other parts of the South Asian subcontinent -Punjabi, Sindhi and Urdu (and before the separation of Bangladesh, Bengali). Culturally Islam as practiced in South Asia has been different from rituals in other regions of the Muslim world, especially the Middle East. It has been more influenced by Sufism and has been more tolerant. The impact of Hindu customs and local culture on local practice of Islam and on South Asian Muslims is also very discernible. However, since 1947, both at the level of domestic politics and foreign policy Pakistan's policy makers have made a conscious effort to redefine the shared heritage with India. Marginalizing Pakistan's South Asian identity and closer identification with a Muslim Middle Eastern identity seems to have been part of a larger strategic decision aimed at consolidating a unique Pakistani identity. This is a point I have further described in my book (Explaining Pakistan's Foreign Policy: Escaping India, Routledge, March 2011).
Pakistan's foreign policy has been cast in the same terms: because India is dominated by Hindus, with whom Muslims have little in common, Pakistan must draw closer to the Muslim states to its west. Many Pakistani strategists hold the view that Pakistan should by-pass South Asia and the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) because the latter is only an umbrella to "legitimize Indian hegemony." Although Pakistan has been a member of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) since its founding in 1985, Pakistan continues to give greater importance to its membership of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC). Some Pakistani scholars and journalists assert that active membership of the OIC and a low-key association with SAARC denies legitimacy to an organization where India has a dominant or primary role.It is in this context that the recent remark by Pakistan's top diplomat is worth noting Instead of seeing this as an acknowledgement of a Pakistani South Asian identity we must analyze the context. Pakistan, resents India being placed "in a different league" than Pakistan and Pakistanis do not want to be "linked to the Afghanistan problem." Hence, in order to escape being part of "Af-Pak" Pakistan is willing to be considered South Asian especially if that also provides Pakistan with its elusive quest for parity with India. However, at its core some in Pakistan still seek a Muslim Middle Eastern identity to avoid acknowledgement of the shared heritage with India. One wonders if Foreign Secretary Bashir's statement emphasizing Pakistan's South Asian roots reflects the beginning of strategic rethinking among the country's ruling elites.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Jan 2011 01:41

Brad Goodman wrote:after Siddharth Varadrajan here is another fundu

Time to span distance by Kuldip Nayyar

This moron wants to believe what Jinnah said in 1947 instead of Paki actions every hour/day/year after that.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Jan 2011 01:47

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 011_pg7_37

ZA Bhutto: the maker of history

ZA Bhutto was, in fact, a dynamo of inexhaustible and boundless creative energy. He was born to solve problems. His greatest diplomatic scoop, however, was the Simla Agreement. He outwitted Indra Gandhi in diplomatic bargaining. He secured the release of 90,000 POWs and also freed 5,000 square miles of Pakistani territory from Indian clutches and gave nothing in return except the promise of normalisation of relations which was more to the advantage of Pakistan than India.

He lost Bangladesh and gained victory against India during Simla Agreement.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jan 2011 01:48

Nightwatch on the events in TSP

Pakistan: An elite police commando from the provincial police force who was assigned as a bodyguard for the governor of Punjab Province murdered the governor today in Islamabad. The commando dropped his weapon and surrendered to the police, bragging that he was proud he killed a blasphemer. With that, Pakistan's political crisis deepened.

The commando killed Governor Salman Taseer because the governor openly criticized Pakistan's law that requires execution for blasphemy against, not just god, but Mohammed and Islam. In a strict interpretation of blasphemy, it is a denunciation of god, not of a prophet or a set of religious beliefs. That is not the Pakistani law, however.

Taseer advocated a pardon for Aasia Bibi, a Christian factory worker who was convicted of blasphemy against the prophet on the testimony of her Muslim co-workers. Taseer thought this was unjust.

His murder is the most sensational since the assassination of Benazir Bhutto in December 2007.

Comment: The most sensational attacks by fundamentalists have all involved bodyguards. They include the most serious assassination attempts against Musharraf when he was President; the assassination of Benazir Bhutto and the assassination of Governor Taseer. In addition every attempt to attack military facilities in Rawalpindi has involved cooperation by guards.

Taseer's assassin was no wild-eyed Islamist. He was a trained and vetted police commando. And that is the point. The ranks of Pakistan's security forces are dominated by Islamists. They take seriously their oath to uphold Pakistan's laws, including the blasphemy law. The popular culture has become Islamist, in sympathy if not in action, and the political and military elite are a small modern minority.

There is no need to search for the black hand of al Qaida. The investigation will find that the murderer discussed his sense of outrage with comrades. The majority of Pakistanis might not approve of the method, but will not denounce the act of stopping a blasphemer.

So he is blaming the TSP legal system itself. And the support we have seen on Facebook etc shows it.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jan 2011 01:51

Vera_K, Dhimak karab hua khya? Stick to the topic.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Jan 2011 01:53

The best analogy to how SDREs ought to view this low-life Taseer is the manner in which US, Israel (and other western lackeys) treated Saddam Hussein. Recall, by an mullah yardstick, Saddam was a "liberal", in fact he was secular, and the west acknowledged the same. But was that positive trait in Saddam used by the west to spare him their blood thirst? They brayed for his blood till the very end. Thats how protective the west is of its interests, none of these emotions, "Oh he stood against blasphemy" crap and hence deserves our sympathy. Just cold-blooded, whats is my in my interest attitude.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 06 Jan 2011 02:15

Was that bikini pic taken approx two and half years ago in Southern Spain? Then most probably she is the one.

SwamyG wrote:There is news that his daughter's bikini photos had surfaced in facebook. Is she that daughter?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jan 2011 02:23

The problem of TSP is to find good leaders to govern and stabilize the country so that they can progress. Every strongman from Ayub ot Kiyani saw their role to foster enmity with a larger India and let their own conutry go to dogs. To do this they sought help and guboed at both ends to who ever lent them token support (KSA, US and PRC). And have the nerve to talk about honor and dignity. TSP Elite (RAPE) supported these goals and supported every strongman as they prescribed more Islam. The dream of a modern Islamic state of the post colonial age has become nightmare.

Having sown the wind they are reaping the wihlrwind.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 06 Jan 2011 02:37

Kuldip Nayar is a Great Rambler - Started with something, ended with something else, and in the middle roamed somewhere else. A weak scatter brain gets editorial space.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Jan 2011 02:50

Would it be possible for some garus on BRF to write an article/post on all the sins of Salman Taseer from an Indian PoV. This baloon being blown around him as if he was some sort of Liberal Messiah of Pakistan needs to be burst. There are no good men in Pakistan! They are all Muslim Chauvinist ba$tards to the core, and this truth should not be forgotten. If RAPE want to cozy up to India, we want to see real cheeks!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Jan 2011 02:56

It is amazing that the tiny Christian community in Pakistan does not want separate electorates.
e.g., http://britishpakistanichristian.blogsp ... bassy.html

We want equal rights for people from Minority Religious groups so that they can vote in normal elections and stand for parliament and other government positions. Currently, Christians can only vote for Christians in provincial positions allocated to our faith.

AFAIK, the main demand for separate electorates in India has always come from the Mussalmans, and secondly - for a whiile - from the Dalits, but Gandhi won that argument with Ambedkar.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Jan 2011 03:08

RajeshA wrote:Would it be possible for some garus on BRF to write an article/post on all the sins of Salman Taseer from an Indian PoV. This baloon being blown around him as if he was some sort of Liberal Messiah of Pakistan needs to be burst. There are no good men in Pakistan! They are all Muslim Chauvinist ba$tards to the core, and this truth should not be forgotten. If RAPE want to cozy up to India, we want to see real cheeks!

The earliest mention of Salman Taseer that I can find in the New York Times is from 1986. He was a spokesman in hiding for the PPP, hiding from the tender mercies of Zia-ul-Haq. He's had a long career since, and it is difficult to find all the positions that he has taken.

I think among his chief sins are that he did support Musharraf (I may be mistaken though), he was a hawk on the Kashmir issue, and in general he was a typical RAPE. The one atypical thing - wanting to change the blasphemy law and help the victims of the law - was the one good thing he did; it was in the face of indifference or opposition from his own party, it was obviously in the face of opposition of the mullahs; and it led to his death.

From the Indian PoV, another thing Taseer (apparently) raised his voice against was the radicalization of Punjab - PML's links with Sipaha Sahiba, Rana Sanaullah, etc. - were under attack from Taseer.

Taseer also owned the Daily Times newspaper, from which BRFers happily find articles to skewer Pakistan with. In particular, he gave a platform to Farhat Taj. So to the extent Taseer lent his newspaper to criticism of Pakistan, he was liberal from the Indian PoV.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Jan 2011 03:16

We are told that among Taseer's tweets was : "Among his last tweets on the mullah backlash against him was his quoting a verse in anticipation of his murder, dil figaaro chalo, phir hameen qatl ho aien yaaro chalo." -- so he did not have an expectation of RAPE immunity, at least not in the last days.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg7_5

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Jan 2011 03:17

Janab Rajesh ji,
Tasser's case can be considred "Andho mei Kaana Raja" I.e Among the blinds , One eyed one is a King. With the exception few sane Individuals, they are all BDYs in Pakjab. Look at this way , Now Taseer Mian is teasing real 72s instead of flirting here on Lahori ground known for little or no distinction between Hoors and Hooras.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 06 Jan 2011 03:24

he was a hawk on the Kashmir issue, and in general he was a typical RAPE.

A_gupta,

one "enemy" fought with another "enemy" of India and died. You want Indian sympathies for the dead one?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 06 Jan 2011 04:06

^^ And drag "hindus and nationalists" into it, and compare them to mullahs. All the while, also caterwauling about how Israel is turning extremist elsewhere. The leftist-liberal mind & its intellectual dhimmitude (note the quickly edited "==" about own religion and culture) never fails to surprise. So now, everyone should appreciate this Taseer, who comes across as an extremely loathsome individual with few morals, even according to Khushwant Singh, super liberal himself. And per other accounts, Taseer also hated hindus. But he has to be appreciated for "doing one good thing". And on similar lines, per Kuldip Nayyar, we should open talks with Pak. because one quasi-fanatic got killed by another of a fundamentalist bent. Perhaps India should have also given Musharraf a "visa" after finding "one good thing" he did in his life.

From the Indian & even global point of view, instead of being concerned about maudlin displays of concern for a person who had nothing but contempt for India, we should be more concerned about the increasing radicalization of the Pak. security forces and wondering whether Govt of India has even any contingencies in place for the day, Pak. turns fully fundoo & escalates its covert conflict with India into an overt hot war.

archan · Post by **archan** » 06 Jan 2011 04:47

^^ guys, please we don't want blue on blue here and at this time. Leave it.

Sadler · Post by **Sadler** » 06 Jan 2011 04:48

harbans wrote:Ok so back to doctrine once again and here it is..the inspiration:

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace be upon him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.[Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4348, Sunnan Abu Dawud 38:4361]
Criticism and open support for that is fair game for the relatively more pious. The problem is not the guard..or Pakistan, but what the doctrine says.

Bingo!!

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 06 Jan 2011 04:58

Indians fighting Indians over a dead paki? Really?

As an Indian, it does not matter if it is Salman Taseer or Hafiz Sayeed. They both hate me for being an Indian and will have no qualms working in unison, if it will hurt me or my country badly. Here they both split because the lady who blasphemed has the potential to be a bigger Mukhtaran Mai amongst the west audiences and prevent Taseer's cases of Johnie-kutty Black Label scotch from landing up at his doorstep.

So to me, it is like comparing two bowls of poo. Only the smell differs.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 06 Jan 2011 05:05

Mourners lie on the ground crying during the procession. Police were on high alert in Lahore ahead of the funeral

praksam · Post by **praksam** » 06 Jan 2011 05:41

Cheers and tears in Pakistan after assassination

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110105/ap_ ... -container

Looks like lot of people are ack-thoo-ing the pakroach now as well as the ROP.As one of the readers very aptly commented about there true nature, which I am quoting below..

I’ve lived in Pakistan on contract with the state department (US Embassy). The same hospitable shopkeepers that offer you drinks in their shops (they know Americans have got the money) will be carrying “death to America” play cards in a rally next day (newspaper photo) and then the next time you go to the same shop, they ask you to sponsor them for their visa to USA or help them get a job AT the US Embassy. This translates well onto their national level – They help North Korea with their nuclear program and then blame it on the top nuclear guy Abdul Qadeer Khan and then the president Musharaf pardons him and says to USA “ops sorry”. It’s the Pakis preventing us from winning the war in Afghanistan – they want to get rich of this war. O! They secretly support Taliban while playing friends to USA. They only kill the Taliban who turn against them. Heck! They even break deals with them like “Hey if you stop killing Pakis then we will help you kill American soldiers in your land”. Pakistan has enough money for the huge Army and from its gold, coal and salt mines yet it keeps that money for Army and politicians to get fat on - otherwise if they shared that with their public - then who would believe their begging. Some US officials have fallen for the Paki 2 faced tactics - hence are very fond of the Pakis! All I can say to you is, as a westerner the only way to find out the true face of Pakis, or the country is to learn the local language first. Then hang out with them “without letting them know that you know their language". You’d be surprised what they say in Urdu, right in front of you, about you and America - but in English it’s all “yes sir! I love America “sahib” (i.e. sir)”! Specially the Embassy local staff and servants of the diplomats – I found out so much about them by not letting them know I knew their language (eat at the Embassy local employee café)! Pakistan’s Ministry for Religious Affairs has this Qur’anic verse written on its plaques “Islam is the only religion acceptable to Allah”. USA should only give visas to minorities of Pakis - they are so violently persecuted that they see death in a sectarian terrorist attack, as a blessing that frees them from their misery! Pakistan blows not because of its poverty, corruption or illiteracy - it’s all because its full of (2 faced) "Hate" - for each other & for all infidels. Pakistan is a true epitome of "a 2 faced enemy disguised as a friendly beggar". All of the above can easily be applied to all Muslim countries. They are all the same; Pakis are just the current Champions!".

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Jan 2011 05:48

Acharya wrote:[img]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-Mourners lie on the ground crying during the procession. Police were on high alert in Lahore ahead of the funeral

Is Ayaz Ameer one of them?
These are professional wailers hired for the funeral. Belive it or not , they get paid handsomely.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Jan 2011 06:28

One thing is for sure about Salman Taseer.
He was not a practising muslim. In fact because his mother was Christian of scandinavian descent, probably meant that he was in some way torn between two religious beliefs. Since he had to make a life for himself in Pakistan, he for obvious reasons chose Islam as his purported religion, although his actions were not according to the tenets of Islam, if the story about him having his alcohol and pork are true.

His religious leanings must have always been suspect since when he was jailed during Zia's era, he was only allowed to read a Quran, perhaps a reflection of what the fauj and intelligence agencies thought of him.

Perhaps that also explains his extraordinary defense of the aasia bibi lady and other blasphemy accused in the past? Perhaps his closet religious beliefs made him do so?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Jan 2011 06:35

Prem wrote: These are professional wailers hired for the funeral. Belive it or not , they get paid handsomely.

The Rudaali guys.

Karna_A · Post by **Karna_A** » 06 Jan 2011 06:51

Acharya wrote:http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 011_pg7_37

ZA Bhutto: the maker of history
ZA Bhutto was, in fact, a dynamo of inexhaustible and boundless creative energy. He was born to solve problems. His greatest diplomatic scoop, however, was the Simla Agreement. He outwitted Indra Gandhi in diplomatic bargaining. He secured the release of 90,000 POWs and also freed 5,000 square miles of Pakistani territory from Indian clutches and gave nothing in return except the promise of normalisation of relations which was more to the advantage of Pakistan than India.
He lost Bangladesh and gained victory against India during Simla Agreement.

That's like saying that a woman getting raped 90K times outwitted the rapists since her undergarments were still untorned. (LLTT: Looking Lawhori Talking Trash) as usual for pakis.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jan 2011 07:09

Talking things over and connecting the dots.

This case was to make Zardari exercise his Presidential powers by pardoning the poor lady. And that would go against the Army. Most likely they arranged the guard to send a message to Z and US.

All the RAPE rhona dhona will go away soon.

Hnair is right. This was bigger than the Mai case.

BTW some of our posters are in rudali mode.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Jan 2011 07:11

Next few months are gonna be full of commotion. If Poaks hang Assia Bibi then public opinion in kuffar world can be used in hurting their economic interests in aid and export etc. If they dont do the hanging , many Qasimzadeh Qasab and Qadri and thousand of Mullahs will try to do Nazibullah in Isloobad.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Jan 2011 07:19

Hmmmm... that is a tough choice...

How about a request from a non-paki nation like UKistan or Canada or Denmark

to extradite Assia Bibi? I would like to see Paki response.

If they say NO, then Pakistan is Talibanized (remember Japan's request w.r.t Bamiyan buddhas?). If they say Yes, then Unkil still have some say in the pooopu land and Pakistan will live for another day.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Jan 2011 07:22

A_Gupta wrote:
RamaY wrote:

When we discuss Pakistanis, we cannot and should not simply ridicule every one of their actions and deeds. Certainly, Salman Taseer was brave enough from the point of view that he was outspoken on the blasphemy issue. He would have known what raw nerve that would touch and how violent the right wing religios and sectarian jihadi parties can react. He might not have anticipated that he would be targetted, he might not have been threatened enough for him to back out, he might have had implicit faith in being protected etc.

But, all of those Pakistanis (very few of them though) who at some point or the other speak up on such issues, are otherwise terrorists when it comes to India. That, we cannot and should not forget.