Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 07 Jan 2011 01:16

"ramana"KaranM, you can counter his arguments but not attack him.

With all due respect, he began the ridiculous attacks with his claims about "some hindus and nationalists" being equal to mullahs, and then attempting to justify it under the guise of ideological rigidity. And he's still going on & on.. to what end?

Also recall its all about TSP.

If it indeed is, then why is he bringing in the RSS, Sena and similar "==" at every turn? If this is the supreme liberal the Indian side has, and such educated elite occupy the seats of Government, decision making etc. no wonder we are in such deep trouble strategically. We can neither identify the depravity of our opponent and dispassionately analyze what to do next. Each time the opponent suffers a reverse, our supreme liberals cluck their tongues, feel sympathetic & attack their own fellow Indians for not feeling as they did! Note the entire vein of this discussion! He could have ended it any time saying he had his views & others were welcome to think different, but no! He insisted others should respect Taseer, posted about how the man was not all that bad, and ended up dragging hindus into the mix. A more supreme example of how messed up the indian liberal line of thinking is, would be hard to find.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Jan 2011 01:45

Karan M wrote:
With all due respect, he began the ridiculous attacks with his claims about "some hindus and nationalists" being equal to mullahs, and then attempting to justify it under the guise of ideological rigidity. And he's still going on & on.. to what end?

If it indeed is, then why is he bringing in the RSS, Sena and similar "==" at every turn?

This is known as dialectic debate in the marxist terminology.
This confuses the people and they lose the vision of the nationalist. That is the real purpose of such == and fake debate.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Jan 2011 01:51

Karan M wrote:

He writes:
I mean to say that there is a certain rigidity of thought that accompanies a lot of the nationalist and the Hindu narrative - e.g., see Koenraad Elst on intellectual bankruptcy of the RSS. You don't want to acknowledge it, that is fine.
Again, what the heck does "intellectual bankruptcy of the RSS" have to do with the death of Taseer?

Another thing is - intellectual power of rss is the not the total intellectual power of Hindus in the world. Hence Hindu intellectual power/ Nationalist intellectual power is greater than all groups inside India.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 07 Jan 2011 02:00

This is a purani aadat of FHLs - mounting the moral horse at the expense of their own countrymen. I am wondering if this lack of realism & ruthlessness comes from having feet way above the ground or a deep rooted inferiority complex caused by the long spells of Islamic rule on the sub continent that continuously pesters their consciousness to somehow prove themselves to be superior to the rest of their Hindu brethren. Why should any Indian shed a single tear for any Pakistani at all? Apart from indic minorities, Indians have no business feeling sad for anybody born in that cesspool. Surely, they didn't choose to be Pakistanis, but hey, hard luck, you ended up there & dead is the only way we'd prefer to see you as. Like Shri Krishna & Shri Ram, we can all go & sympathize with them on their deathbed, make sweet love to them perhaps, but it has to be at their deathbed. Shri Ram did not start taking lessons in wisdom from Ravan in the middle of the war.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jan 2011 02:16

I think by looking at the jihadi angle in the Tasser murder we are missing the forest for the trees.

What: PPP political leader(RAPE class) was shot dead by bodyguard for supporting pardon to a Christian woman.

How: Bodyguard shot the politician and surrendered. He already informed the rest that he would do that. No one prevented it and later they followed the script. Total failure of security process.

Why: At first look the murder was to carry out religious strictures on blashphemers. Second look it terrorizes the moderates and RAPE class to stay within the script. Third it warns them not to get ideas of negotiating with the outside powers eg. pardon the Christian woman for international reasons, or go after the hardline Islamists. Fourth it tells US and others to talk to Army and not others who could get eliminated.

Who Benefits: The Islamists at first look. Second look its the Army for now the polticians cannot rely on Police protection.

Who backs the Islamists: The Army.
Who controls the security: The army agencies.
Who will control the dailog now: Army
Who is in disarry: The governing PPP, the RAPE, the Indian pseudo-seculars who adovcate for TSP (WKK)

Again I think its the Kabila guards message to insiders not to cross the line and to outsiders to talk to them only.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Jan 2011 02:21

ramana wrote:
Again I think its the Kabila guards message to insiders not to cross the line and to outsiders to talk to them only.

PA knows that the amending the law is actually social engineering which they will never allow coming from kuffrs from the outside.

They want to send a message to the outside groups which are using the so called liberal groups inside Pakistan to amending the Pakistan law.

Pakistan political parties are patsies in this show

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jan 2011 02:29

The real patsies are indians who get terrified that the jihadis are running amok in TSP. Its rational irrationality that allows TSP to get more baksheesh, not to change but continue on same course!

AD used to say Af-Pak used to survive on Indo-Gangetic subsidy. Now its Potomac subsidy.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2011 02:34

Potomac subsidy indeed, since the myth that the yellow river is the new gold mine has been duly laid to rest.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 07 Jan 2011 02:35

Gagan wrote:Potomac subsidy indeed, since the myth that the yellow river is the new gold mine has been duly laid to rest.

They will only latch on to the real currency and not the fake currency

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jan 2011 02:42

From Kuffar prospective, Qadris are Qudarati in Poak social circle. Let Qadir bless many more Qadris bloom in Poakland for the next 10-12 years . No One want the collapse of Poakland but containement and quarantining only. They shall serve as civilizational example for civilized world to know the truth and the ordeal faced by Indians for half millenium. Revenge is better served as Poak.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Jan 2011 02:55

ramana wrote:How: Bodyguard shot the politician and surrendered. He already informed the rest that he would do that. No one prevented it and later they followed the script. Total failure of security process.

Question to ask is: after Qadir shot Taseer nine times, what prevented the other security guards from killing him on the spot? Tyhey are usually trained to do so instinctively. That would have eliminated the possibility of any evidence or names this Qadir guy would have vomitted out in the courts during his trial.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 07 Jan 2011 03:05

anupmisra wrote:
ramana wrote:How: Bodyguard shot the politician and surrendered. He already informed the rest that he would do that. No one prevented it and later they followed the script. Total failure of security process.
Question to ask is: after Qadir shot Taseer nine times, what prevented the other security guards from killing him on the spot? Tyhey are usually trained to do so instinctively. That would have eliminated the possibility of any evidence or names this Qadir guy would have vomitted out in the courts during his trial.

anupmisra ji,
I think, Mumtaz Qadri was given the full responsibility for this job. He talked to his superiors to be given duty on that day at that time. He told the other bodyguards what he had in mind, he told them the script and their part in it. He kept the whole affair under his own control.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 07 Jan 2011 03:14

Mumtaz Qadri.... hmm. Even I would be pissed with life if I am an uber-tough kammandu with beard et al, yet named after the hottest chick in my history books!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2011 03:19

Why blame Mumtaz Qadri alone?

He started walking at Salman Taseer, with the kalashnikov at his hip, after a few steps he fired one shot, then switched the weapon to automatic and emptied the whole magazine. Then he slowly laid down his rifle and held his hands up.

Now to me this process would have taken close to a minute.

The other bodyguards and security personnel were very close, If they were not sympathizers themselves, and were really concerned about the safety of their protectee, they would have reacted within seconds and opened fire on Qadri.

None of that happened, he did his deed and surrendered, and the rest of the security personnel meekly accepted his surrender and took him alive.

And now the finance minister of an already bankrupt pakistan has to make a seperate budget to feed qadri biriyani at sarkari cost for the next 10 years.

Further, the ISI is pareshan that qadri fired all his 27 bullets and only 9 hit Salman Taseer and that too at point blank range - a bulls eye rate of 1/3 at point blank range - worrisome about the quality of training of an elite commando.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jan 2011 03:31

So nuke are safe from guys who cant shoot straight?

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 07 Jan 2011 03:37

The hit on Salman Taseer also puts a lid on "who killed BB exposure" which PPP was threatening to do.

It is TSPA all the way.

Time for Zardari to say something about "Pakistan Khappe". This is the 3rd major PPP leader Pakjabis have killed.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 07 Jan 2011 03:41

AK's aren't known for great precision. Also, the kick from an AK when firing on fully automatic mode is considerable, so I'm surprised that even 9 bullets made it into a target at point-blank range. Surprised, in fact, that nobody else at the scene got a bullet or two in him. The other guards must have known what was coming and made sure they weren't standing anywhere near their "protectee" when Herrow Qadri opened up!

Emptying the entire magazine at Scumbag Taseer was pure overkill, a bit of theatre for the urdu-language ragloids, and not technically necessary for the execution to succeed. The first bullet that Herrow Qadri fired was probably a test shot to make sure Scumbag Taseer wasn't wearing any sort of body armour. The rest was pure Paki Naatak.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 07 Jan 2011 03:46

A_Gupta wrote:I mean to say that there is a certain rigidity of thought that accompanies a lot of the nationalist and the Hindu narrative - e.g., see Koenraad Elst on intellectual bankruptcy of the RSS. You don't want to acknowledge it, that is fine.

You might find Prof. S.N.Balagangadhara's views on Sangh Parivar fascinating too.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jan 2011 04:15

Pakistan's Road to Disintegration

We have to do what we can do and prepare for the failure of Pakistan, which could happen in four or five or six years

Rats jumping ship

http://www.cfr.org/publication/23744/pa ... ation.html

In the first few days of this year, Pakistan's coalition government was thrust into crisis after losing a coalition partner, and then a top politician--Punjab Governor Salman Taseer--was assassinated. A leading expert on the country, Stephen P. Cohen, says these incidents are symptoms of the profound problems tugging the country apart. "The fundamentals of the state are either failing or questionable, and this applies to both the idea of Pakistan, the ideology of the state, the purpose of the state, and also to the coherence of the state itself," Cohen says. "I wouldn't predict a comprehensive failure soon, but clearly that's the direction in which Pakistan is moving." On a recent trip, he was struck by the growing sense of insecurity in Pakistan, even within the military, and the growing importance of China.

What's the situation in Pakistan these days, given a key partner's withdrawal from the coalition government, and the assassination of a leading member of the ruling coalition, who opposed the blasphemy law which has support among the country's Muslim population?

These are symptoms of a deeper problem in Pakistan. There is not going to be any good news from Pakistan for some time, if ever, because the fundamentals of the state are either failing or questionable. This applies to both the idea of Pakistan, the ideology of the state, the purpose of the state, and also to the coherence of the state itself. Pakistan has lost a lot of its "stateness," that is the qualities that make a modern government function effectively. So there's failure in Pakistan on all counts. I wouldn't predict a comprehensive failure soon but clearly that's the direction in which Pakistan is moving.

Given Pakistan's possession of nuclear weapons and its strategic location between Afghanistan and India, for the United States this is a looming crisis, isn't it.

All U.S. policies toward Pakistan are bad, and some are perhaps worse than others. We don't know whether leveling with Pakistan is going to improve things or make it worse. Ideally, we would own a time machine in which we could roll back history and reverse a lot of decisions we made in the past. Hopefully, we won't make any more fundamentally wrong decisions in the future, but that may not prevent Pakistan from going further down the road to disintegration. Someone in the State Department was quoted in a WikiLeaks document [as saying] that if it weren't for nuclear weapons, Pakistan would be the Congo. I would compare it to Nigeria without oil. It wouldn't be a serious state. But the nuclear weapons and the country's organized terrorist machinery do make it quite serious.If it is anybody's problem in the future, it is going to be China's problem. I just spent several weeks in Pakistan. One thing I discovered was the country insecurity in a way I had never seen it, even in military cantonments. The other was that China's influence in Pakistan was much greater and deeper than I had imagined it to be. In a sense that's India's problem, but in the long run, it will be China's problem.

Describe China's influence.

China is Pakistan's major military supplier. Of course, they supplied military technology and probably put Pakistanis in touch with the North Koreans for missile technology. The Chinese have one concern in Pakistan and that is the training of Chinese militants and extremists inside of Pakistan. The Chinese have no problem with the Tiananmen Square-type of crowd control. When the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) was blown up in Islamabad in 2007, it came after some ten Chinese were kidnapped and the Chinese complained publicly. The Pakistanis had ignored our protests about the Mosque for many years. But they moved quickly when the Chinese protested, killing many women and children in the process. That was one of the turning points in President Pervez Musharraf's career, because that turned many militants against him. Before that time, he had either ignored or supported them, but after Lal Masjid, they became his enemy

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How important are the militants or terrorists? Can they control the state?

Militants--whether you call them anti-American, anti-liberal, or anti-secular--seem to have a veto over politics in Pakistan, but they can't govern the state. The parties control the elections but they can prevent others from governing, and they may prevent the military from governing as well

Is the fear of India genuine?

It is genuine, because it goes back to the identity of Pakistan. They can't figure out how to reconcile their strategic necessity of accommodation with India. Of course, India takes a hard line on a lot of issues, not just Kashmir. India has allowed China to acquire Pakistan as a strategic asset. It is now a trilateral game between the Chinese and Indians with the Pakistanis on the Chinese side.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 07 Jan 2011 04:18

anupmisra wrote:Question to ask is: after Qadir shot Taseer nine times, what prevented the other security guards from killing him on the spot? Tyhey are usually trained to do so instinctively. That would have eliminated the possibility of any evidence or names this Qadir guy would have vomitted out in the courts during his trial.

As in that Ilam-ud-din case, they drew straws (er, goat hairs?) to see who would get to be the ghazi and fulfill the passion burning inside him. Qadri was the winner of that process.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jan 2011 04:31

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/01/ ... .html?_r=1
Former Boss Feared Pakistan Suspect's Extremism
( Qaid' Qadri was a known Poakra)

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The supervising police officer of the bodyguard accused of killing a Pakistani politician had asked for his removal from all sensitive security duties because of his extreme religious views, an investigator said on Thursday. The accused killer, identified as Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri, said he was angered by outspoken Punjab governor Salman Taseer's opposition to Pakistan's controversial blasphemy law. A senior police official investigating the case said Qadri had been declared a "security hazard" and his supervising officer had written to the Punjab Home Department and requested his removal from VIP detail. "He had views like an extremist and that was the reason (for his removal)," the official told Reuters. Qadri's supervisor, Nasir Durrani, is now heading the Punjab government's investigation into the murder. Taseer's killing is likely to intimidate further those pushing for a more liberal and secular vision of Pakistan, a strategic U.S. ally fighting a Taliban insurgency. He was shot 14 times at close range at a shopping centre frequented by foreigners in the capital Islamabad.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Jan 2011 04:47

Prem wrote:Former Boss Feared Pakistan Suspect's Extremism
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The supervising police officer of the bodyguard accused of killing a Pakistani politician had asked for his removal from all sensitive security duties because of his extreme religious views, an investigator said on Thursday.

Then the real problem for the Punjab Police is how many such policemen could Punjab Police afford to remove and yet run the show ? Punjab is the most radicalized province in Pakistan.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2011 04:54

The media hasn't done a good background check on Qadri yet.
Surely a few of his extended family members must be members of some Jihadi organization - LET/JUD or LEJ at least.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jan 2011 04:56

No its not a tri-lateral game if India allowed China to acquire TSP. Its unilateral and its China's problem who it takes care of its pet monster.

James B · Post by **James B** » 07 Jan 2011 05:11

TFT Nuggets

Governor Taseer is ‘murtad’!(Indeed he became one. AoA)

Front-page item in Jang said that a number of ulema stated that by trying to get Christian Asiya Bibi freed after she was sentenced to death for blasphemy, Governor Punjab Salmaan Taseer had become murtad (apostate). The punishment for murtad is death too hence Governor must die along with Asiya Bibi. The PPP Punjab said the fatwa of the ulema had no legal status.

Governor Taseer’s marriage gone

Reported in daily Pakistan, a number of ulema stated that because Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer had tried to rescue a convicted blasphemer Asiya Bibi, he was rendered an apostate and was therefore not permitted to live with his wife as his nikah (marriage) was violated and he was now living in sin with his wife. The punishment for living in sin is stoning to death. (He was bulleted to death instead of stoning)

Pakistan should have nine provinces!

Quoted in Jang, ex-president Musharraf said in a telephonic address to people in Mansehra in Hazara that Pakistan should have not four but nine provinces including Hazara. He said he would soon come to Pakistan. (As usually, Musharraf pulling things out of his musharraf)

Police kills ‘khwaja sara’

Reported in Jang, Lahore police notched up a new record in Pakistan police’s sick and perverted campaign against the transvestites when it attacked a birthday party of the heejra persons in Bari Studio. They thrashed the heejras and were taking them to the police station for further dubious activity by sick police officers when one heejra jumped from the police van and died. The High Court has taken suo motu notice of the activity of the police that avoids confronting the Taliban and dacoits by indulging themselves with transvestites. (Well, transvestites are capable only to take on fellow transvestites)

James B · Post by **James B** » 07 Jan 2011 05:15

SuchGup from TFT

Shame!

We all know from the press that the khateeb of Lahore’s great Badshahi mosque refused to lead the assassinated Governor of Punjab Salmaan Taseer ’s funeral prayer. What most people don’t know is that the resident mullah of the Governor’s House also refused to do so. We don’t know if this was out of fear or prejudice. Either way, it’s a great shame and in complete contradiction of the benevolent message of the Prophet of Islam (pbuh). A party stalwart, Maulana Chishti , then led the namaz-e-janaza and as soon as he had finished, he began receiving death threats on his cell phone. When he went home, a group of men turned up at his gate, shouting slogans against him. The frightened maulana then informed the government and police protection, such as it is, was provided to him.

Guarding the guards

Our mole says that the killer of the Punjab Governor is part of a larger gang in his parent service. The government is now examining the records of all guards posted to VIP duties and it has emerged that one highly suspicious individual was on the prime minister’s security detail . He has been removed and taken in for questioning. As one nervous government official put it, “who will guard the guards?”

Please note

Meanwhile, nothing seems to deter those bent upon making hay while the sun shines. A reliable source has informed us that the offspring of Gill on the Hill have bought a note counting machine. They sent for it from the United States and an acquaintance was asked to bring it to Pakistan. The machine arrived in Isloo a couple of months ago because the wads of notes regularly received by Gill’s family are too cumbersome to count manually. Please note (pun intended) that the machine is a very convenient tool for people who receive oodles of cash.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 07 Jan 2011 05:35

is unkil not thowing the lifeline ?

U.S. reiterates Pakistan should implement economic reforms

The United States on Thursday minced no words in cautioning Pakistan to stay on tight economic reforms path as news came in of Islamabad rolling back the fuel price increases that went into effect on January 1.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned Thursday that, “the government of Pakistan must reform its economic laws and regulations, including those that affect fuel and its cost.”

She said she had clearly mentioned the U.S. position, during her meeting on Tuesday with Pakistan's ambassador to Washington, Hussain Haqqani, at the State Department.

“We have made it clear, as I did in a meeting with their ambassador, that we think it is a mistake to reverse the progress that was being made to provide a stronger economic base for Pakistan, and we will continue to express that opinion,” the secretary said

Poor Mr 10 takka he would get nothing from his trip to unkilland.

Asked to comment on the rolling back of prices, Toner reiterated, “Our position is that Pakistan needs to undertake difficult economic reforms that are going to require some pain, frankly, politically,” adding, “But beyond that, I am not going to weigh into what is a domestic, political debate in Pakistan.”

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 07 Jan 2011 06:08

Who backs the Islamists: The Army.
Who controls the security: The army agencies.
Who will control the dailog now: Army
Who is in disarry: The governing PPP, the RAPE, the Indian pseudo-seculars who adovcate for TSP (WKK)

This need not happen. Army cannot retain the first position, if Abduls feel that Qadri's are the best bet. Army is already under pressure for supporting Americans

Any way Aisa Bibi will have to endure more pressure. Lets hope she gets the needed help

Ashoka · Post by **Ashoka** » 07 Jan 2011 06:10

I just absolutely & completely love the dilemmas poaks are in today.

Are we Islamic enough?

Are we more than enough Islamic?

Were we meant to be like this when we sprouted out of nowhere in 1947?

Who are terrorists? The less pious or the more pious? Whom should we support & whom should we kill?

Is our Army good or bad?

Can't we have democracy? Nah - we must follow Islamiat & Sharia. Otherwise how can we justify our existence & forget that we were created on the basis of religion?

When we follow Sharia, how do we not go down the drain?

Weren't we supposed to be the ultimate flag bearers of Islam & riding around the world like Princes on our white stallions? Exactly what has turned us instead into today's black, mud wrestling pigs?

Keep guessing you kuffrs (as we are doing)

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2011 06:13

What if Asiya Bibi converts?
Is there any loophole in sharia? Or will that be construed as 'not wilfully converting' to islam, but converting because of expediency.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Jan 2011 06:14

TSP has stopped 300 onion-laden trucks from supplying much needed onions to Delhi in breach of prior contract. Poor commerce mantri Anand Sharma on the newz channels seemed flummoxed and defensive, trying to explain packee liberalism in breaking contract at whim.

Hopefully, our babudom has internalized this lesson for reciprocal action against TSP when the time is right...

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Jan 2011 06:18

What if Asiya Bibi converts?

Why have they not as yet?

The Christian and Hindu dalits of Pakistan may be the most admirable people in the Indian subcontinent.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 07 Jan 2011 06:32

Does anyone have any insight into how Pakis really think. I would like to know what goes in the mind of an average RAPE, Middle class and abdul. I mean are they really convinced that their fath and lifestyle is the best in the world or deep down they know their ancestors made a mistake and they cannot admit it since that would mean getting off the back of the tiger and meeting the same fate as scumbag tasser

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Jan 2011 06:43

sanjaykumar wrote:What if Asiya Bibi converts?

Why have they not as yet?

The Christian and Hindu dalits of Pakistan may be the most admirable people in the Indian subcontinent.

I'd rather they convert and get for themselves a better life than the one they have currently.

However, conversion for them may not be so easy an option. The muslim supermajority may not desire it because much of the work too 'unclean' for momeen - such as that involving scavenging and manual sanitation work - is done by these unfortunates. IMHO, there is also historical precedent for this. Muslim invaders resisting too much of the local populace converting for fear of loss of jaziya in places like Egypt early on and so on.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 07 Jan 2011 06:47

@^^
Taqqiya can work both ways folks.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Jan 2011 07:02

Daughter of Pakistani Punjab governor Salman Taseer (R) and an unidentified relative react at the murder of Taseer as they wait in a hospital in Islamabad on January 4, 2011. Pakistan's governor of Punjab was shot dead near his Islamabad home on January 4, in a political assassination that threatens to sink the nuclear-armed country ever deeper into chaos.

Daylife

A Pakistani female lawyer waits holding rose petals to shower on Mumtaz Qadri, the alleged killer of Punjab governor Salman Taseer, outside an Anti-Terrorist Court where he was due to appear in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, Thursday, Jan. 6, 2011. Taseer was killed on Tuesday by his bodyguard commando reportedly enraged by his opposition to laws decreeing death for insulting Islam.

Daylife

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 07 Jan 2011 07:06

Brad Goodman wrote:Does anyone have any insight into how Pakis really think. I would like to know what goes in the mind of an average RAPE, Middle class and abdul. I mean are they really convinced that their fath and lifestyle is the best in the world or deep down they know their ancestors made a mistake and they cannot admit it since that would mean getting off the back of the tiger and meeting the same fate as scumbag tasser

Its the former. They also believe that they brought down a super power like USSR and they also think that they are bringing down another super power the USA. Such is the level of their brainwashing and grandiose thinking!

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 07 Jan 2011 07:23

Brad Goodman wrote:Does anyone have any insight into how Pakis really think. I would like to know what goes in the mind of an average RAPE, Middle class and abdul. I mean are they really convinced that their fath and lifestyle is the best in the world or deep down they know their ancestors made a mistake and they cannot admit it since that would mean getting off the back of the tiger and meeting the same fate as scumbag tasser

Brad, it's not that difficult really. The Paki RAPE class ( Irfan Hussain to Anjum Niaz to name your Paki spectrum) are all perfectly well adjusted towards the rest of the world. It's just that they hate us SDRE Hindus. They simply want to leverage their westerness to bring us to our historical social level—allowed only to ride donkeys (as in Mughal days).

We underestimate their sense of grievance: the Mughal empire was destroyed by the Brits. When they left, it (according tp them) should have reverted to them as the rightful heirs— the Muslim feudals. Instead they got the Kaffirs with this pluralistic notion who survived their idiotic leaders.

Average Abdul or RAPE, we have a bulls eye on our back. They don't mean us well. It's up to our leaders some of whom conflate LeT with RSS to keep us alive.

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Jan 2011 07:35

In the “Moderate Muslim“ Islamic Republic of Pakistan, victims of murder have difficulty in finding Muslim Clerics to perform their last rites owing to the Muslim Clerics sympathy for their murderers actions or possibly fear that officiating at the funeral will result in their own death at the hands of their laity on the grounds that they are not piously Muslim enough

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Business Recorder on the problems found in locating a Muslim Cleric willing to officiate at the funeral of murdered Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer:

Imams refuse to lead funeral prayers

M RAFIQUE GORAYA

LAHORE (January 06, 2011) : Imam Masjid of Governor House Mosque Qari Ismail and Imam Masjid of Badshahi Mosque Abdul Khabeer Azad, both Punjab government employees refused to lead funeral prayers of Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer on Wednesday. Official sources told Business Recorder that both the Auqaf department employees point blank told the Governor House administration that they would prefer to be dismissed from service than lead funeral prayers of the assassinated governor.

As all prominent Ulema of the city had refused to participate or lead the funeral prayers, PPP's Ulema wing chief Allama Afzal Chishti led the Namaz-e-Janaza, which was attended by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, Federal ministers and thousands of PPP workers.

None of the leaders or workers of the leading religious political parties, including Jamaat-i-Islami, participated in the funeral prayers. ………………….

Business Recorder

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jan 2011 07:51

Dipanker wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:Does anyone have any insight into how Pakis really think. I would like to know what goes in the mind of an average RAPE, Middle class and abdul. I mean are they really convinced that their fath and lifestyle is the best in the world or deep down they know their ancestors made a mistake and they cannot admit it since that would mean getting off the back of the tiger and meeting the same fate as scumbag tasser

Fun is when a Poak meets his counterpart from India with same last name. From personal experience perspective, they do know what happened and dont have the same shine in their eyes. The false pride and bravado falls very quickly and irrationality takes over to cover the inner emptiness.