Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 08 Jan 2011 10:42

I think we tend to confuse Paki Liberals with Friends of India. A Paki liberal or hardliner share their common hatred for India and desire to see Paki Muslims lording over India. Just because He/She drinks Scotch, eats Pork and smokes the best Cubans and wears western attire doesn't mean he/she is in love with India, Whereas in India the definition of a Liberal is Hindu-Hating, Paki loving partly commie public figure.
A Paki liberal would gladly pay money to terror organization to kill Hindus in India despite the fact that he abhors those terror organizations. It is part of genetically modified Paki Gene structure now.
To expect anything different is plain stupid. I don't know why on BRF we make so much song and dance when so called Paki Liberals show there Fangs.
Accept this fact and plan accordingly.
Lets make a list of all the so called Paki Liberals and see where they stand on India. I won't hold my breath to see the results.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 08 Jan 2011 10:45

shynee wrote:Blasphemy case registered against mentally challenged Muslim
LAHORE: The Kot Addu police have registered a case under the blasphemy law against a mentally challenged Muslim at the request of a local mosque’s cleric allegedly in an attempt to settle a rivalry with the family of the accused.

The case has been registered against Muhammad Amjad, son of Muhammad Nazir, by the cleric of their local mosque named Muhammad Sajid in Chak 621 PDA Chowk Sarwar Shaheedwala area of Kot Addu.

The case number 4/11 was registered by the Chowk Sarwar police on Wednesday while the complainant has also accused Amjad’s father Muhammad Nazir and a relative Muhammad Iqbal of conspiring to desecrate the holy Quran with the main accused.

Everybody and his uncle is named Muhammad.

Is it blasphemy or sign of much biousness ?

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 08 Jan 2011 10:53

VikasRaina wrote:I think we tend to confuse Paki Liberals with Friends of India. A Paki liberal or hardliner share their common hatred for India and desire to see Paki Muslims lording over India. Just because He/She drinks Scotch, eats Pork and smokes the best Cubans and wears western attire doesn't mean he/she is in love with India, Whereas in India the definition of a Liberal is Hindu-Hating, Paki loving partly commie public figure.
A Paki liberal would gladly pay money to terror organization to kill Hindus in India despite the fact that he abhors those terror organizations. It is part of genetically modified Paki Gene structure now.
To expect anything different is plain stupid. I don't know why on BRF we make so much song and dance when so called Paki Liberals show there Fangs.
Accept this fact and plan accordingly.
Lets make a list of all the so called Paki Liberals and see where they stand on India. I won't hold my breath to see the results.

Presumably Paki liberals, and their Indian supporters, are largely POB-liberals....refer http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 7#p1007457

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 08 Jan 2011 11:27

Absolutely correct vikas.

When it comes to India every TSPian is either a terrorist or a terrorist guru/mentor or terrorist supporter (financial and/or moral).

Its sad that Indian TV/media channels don't report and show how TSPian abroad for example in Britain pay money in huge chunks to support Jihad against India. And like their counterparts abroad pakis are also same within their land.

Also, one more thing these liberal, elite pakis are able to fool westerners as well. They hate US/UK/West, will support jihadis against them as well but yet exploit ignorant westerners by acting as if they are only hope of progress, modernity and stability in pakiland. Hence westerner must feel one with them and show support for them.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 08 Jan 2011 12:32

Meanwhile, Pakis continue to be in the news in Londonistan.
"But there is a specific problem which involves Pakistani heritage men... who target vulnerable young white girls." - Jack Straw Former Home Sec.

Loving this transformation.... politicians have started talking about the problem. That , IMO, is a serious problem for Pakis in Londonistan

vic · Post by **vic** » 08 Jan 2011 12:42

Marten wrote:Toilet Reports: Naach Chamiya Naach! The whore is being given more alms.Expect some more exposure of thigh and possibly more. Apologies for posting the whole report.

WASHINGTON: The Washington Post has reported that the Obama administration has decided to increase military, intelligence and financial support for Pakistan and intensify U.S. efforts to foster regional peace.

Officials told the newspaper that the decision was made in last month's White House Afghanistan war review and will be delivered by Vice President Joe Biden when he travels to Pakistan next week for meetings with military chief Gen. Ashfaq Kayani and other top government leaders.

The decision to intensify support for Pakistan marks the administration's effort to call the bluff of Pakistani officials who have routinely complained that the United States doesn't understand Pakistan's security priorities or give enough support.

It seems in New System the "victim" (US) pays the blood money to the killer (ISI=PA=Kiyani)

vic · Post by **vic** » 08 Jan 2011 12:43

Taseer was hardly a liberal, he was just colorful!

People like Lincoln, Gandhi etc were liberals

partha · Post by **partha** » 08 Jan 2011 13:00

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDe ... t=1/8/2011

LAHORE High Court Chief Justice Ijaz Ahmad Chaudhry has said the curse of telling lies is spreading like cancer in society and in these circumstances providing justice to the masses has become a difficult job for judges.

Only a good Muslim could become a good judge and the judges would have to prove their character in personal life

AoA!

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 08 Jan 2011 13:03

Neela wrote:Meanwhile, Pakis continue to be in the news in Londonistan.
"But there is a specific problem which involves Pakistani heritage men... who target vulnerable young white girls." - Jack Straw Former Home Sec.

Loving this transformation.... politicians have started talking about the problem. That , IMO, is a serious problem for Pakis in Londonistan

Don't worry in a bout of political correctness (Read after bus burning and in general bad behavior by resident pakis) they will downhill sky soon.

bahdada · Post by **bahdada** » 08 Jan 2011 14:04

Horny Paki's in UK. Nothing new.

Over stateside, the frquency of "desis" getting caught on the weekly documentary "To Catch a Predator" was also embarrassing. Sexual Repression runs deep.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Jan 2011 14:18

partha wrote:http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDe ... t=1/8/2011
Only a good Muslim could become a good judge and the judges would have to prove their character in personal life

Partha, truly, the Lahore High Court has traditionally been the jihadi court reflecting the sentiments of the province. It has been releasing all the terrorists who have been caught by the Punjab Police which is itself a jihadi terror organization. The Lahore High Court in circa 1994 allowed the Swara & Karo-Kari murders as sanctioned by the Hadith. The court opined, “Although in existing laws there is no concession for momentary insanity but those implicated in ‘honour’ killings are worthy of some concession since ‘honour’ killings cannot be considered the same as a murder in cold blood.” The Hanafi Law has superceded civil law.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Jan 2011 15:00

Justice for Taseer: Editorial in DT

Until and unless there is a separation of religion and the state, Pakistani society will get uglier with every passing day. Secularism is the key to a democratic, progressive Pakistan.

That then begets a very uncomfortable question as to why the very idea of Pakistan at all in the first place.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Jan 2011 15:13

SSridhar wrote:Justice for Taseer: Editorial in DT
Until and unless there is a separation of religion and the state, Pakistani society will get uglier with every passing day. Secularism is the key to a democratic, progressive Pakistan.
That then begets a very uncomfortable question as to why the very idea of Pakistan at all in the first place.

When Hinduism is accused of being a dark anti-Islamic force - only its absence can ensure true secularism. This is what Pakistanis have been saying and what Uneven Cohen seems to accept.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Jan 2011 17:06

AoA Onlee !

US has a right to interfere in Pakistan: US Ambassador to Pakistan

US ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter has said that the United States has right to interfere in Pakistan’s economic and governance affairs as the former provides funds to it, Geo News reported.

Addressing a ceremony here{Islamabad}, Cameron said that the United States provides largest aid to Pakistan, therefore, it has right to interfere in economic and governance affairs.

The ambassador said that the United States made demands to Pakistan with respect and dignity. . . .

Now, the rent giver is asking the rentier to keep the house in order.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 08 Jan 2011 17:25

SSridhar wrote:AoA Onlee !

US has a right to interfere in India: US Ambassador to Pakistan
US ambassador Cameron Munter has said that the United States has right to interfere in India’s economic and governance affairs as the former is in the neighbourhood, Geo News reported.

Addressing a ceremony here{Islamabad}, Cameron said that the United States helps the region with a large buget going to the region, therefore, it has right to interfere in economic and governance affairs.

The ambassador said that the United States made demands to India with respect and dignity. . . .
Now, the rent giver is asking the rentier to keep the house in order.

It could be India next if we let current Indian leadership fall on US elite.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 08 Jan 2011 17:29

abhishek_sharma wrote:This death in Pakistan

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/this- ... n/734931/0

His jaw tightened, he made a mock gesture to roll up his sleeve, and said, “if you victimise your Hindus in Pakistan, you think the 100 crore Hindus of the world will sit like cowards and do nothing?” ) Now how would you describe Salman? In my book, a liberal Pakistani nationalist, a proud Muslim, and of course so bluntly Punjabi.

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How about this way. After victimizing Hindus in Pakistan now they are seeking justice for Muslims in the world.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 08 Jan 2011 17:45

Friday sermons: Qadri's act praised
http://www.brecorder.com/news/top-stori ... :news.html

ISLAMABAD (January 08, 2011) : Various ulema in their Friday sermons praised Malik Muhammad Mumtaz Qadri for assassinating Governor Punjab Salmaan Taseer in the federal capital and prayed for his safety and respectable release from jail.

"O Allah, make hidden arrangements for safety of Qadri, a brave man, from police," said an Imam in Islamabad after the Friday prayers. A number of people listening to him responded with "Aameen".

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 08 Jan 2011 17:52

As we speak today, a referendum, is on and a new nation will emerge. Southern Sudan. Its importance lies with the rejection, of Muslim North, by the Christian South. While south has the oil wells, the pipelines run through the North! It might also disrupt oil supplies to China, since 7% of China`s oil comes from Sudan.
http://www.nationalpost.com/gathering+s ... story.html

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 08 Jan 2011 18:26

vic wrote:Taseer was hardly a liberal, he was just colorful!

People like Lincoln, Gandhi etc were liberals

If being a Paki liberal earns somebody his 72 then it is in our interest to paint as many Pakis with that brush, starting with their impoverished artists who come to Bollywood to Herr Fuherer Gola.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 08 Jan 2011 18:46

No room for secularism in Pakistan as Islam is its sole identity: Jama’at-e-Islami
http://www.zeenews.com/news679268.html

Lahore: Islam is Pakistan’s sole identity, and there is no room for secularism and its believers in this country, Jama’at-e-Islami deputy Secretary General Hafiz Sajid Anwar has said.

Addressing the congregation at Mansoora mosque, Anwar said that a Muslim could not tolerate blasphemy of the Holy Prophet (PBUH), The Nation reports.

Even Pakistan’s Interior Minister Rehman Malik had told media persons that if someone committed blasphemy in his presence, he would shoot him to death, he added. Anwar exhorted the rulers to learn a lesson from Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer’s assassination, as none of the official Khatibs and Imams was ready to lead his funeral prayer.

On Tuesday, Taseer was assassinated by Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri, one of his own elite security force protectors, who opened fire on him because of the governor’s support for the release of Pakistani-Christian woman Asia Bibi, who has been sentenced to death on blasphemy charges.

There was consensus of the Ummah that blasphemy of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) was punishable by death, said Anwar, adding that Taseer publicly sympathised with the blasphemer woman, expressed full support to her and promised her clemency, and all this was unbecoming of his high office.

He said that Asia Bibi had been convicted by a law court and not by any mufti or cleric, and that Taseer had been issuing statements in violation of the country’s constitution, the Quran and the Sunnah, which gave the impression of his anti-Islamic views and finally led to his assassination.

He also demanded the immediate release of the relatives of Mumtaz Qadri, the bodyguard who shot Taseer at least 17 times before surrendering.

Addressing another congregation at Syed Maudoodi Institute mosque, JI leader Hafiz Muhammad Idrees said that Taseer’s murder should be an eye opener for the other rulers who were clamouring against the Blasphemy Law.

Referring to Malik’s statement that he would shoot down a blasphemer, Idrees asked what crime Mumtaz Qadri had committed.

He advised the anti-Islam elements in the country to stop attacks on the religion, and study it thoroughly. The western powers could cow down the Muslim rulers but not the Muslim masses, he added.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 08 Jan 2011 19:44

Zardari to name key aide as successor to slain governor

(Reuters) - Pakistan's president is set to appoint close aide Latif Khosa to succeed the murdered governor of the key Punjab province, officials said, another step in resolving a week-long political crisis.

President Asif Ali Zardari is expected to name Khosa, a former attorney general, on Saturday from Karachi.

"Mr. Khosa is most likely to be appointed as Punjab governor," a senior government official said. Other top officials confirmed the appointment was expected.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 08 Jan 2011 19:55

BJP chief slams UPA-II’s Pakistan policy

“The past 20 months of UPA-II has had us witnessing virtually everything, from the outrageous to the ridiculous and even embarrassment, on the template of our Pakistan policy,” Gadkari said, inaugurating the BJP’s two-day national executive meet here.

Hitting out on the government on it’s Pakistan policy, he said, “It all started with the most inexplicable self-indulgent blunder committed at Sharm-al-Sheikh in 2009 (allowing the insertion of India’s alleged and illusory subversive role in Baluchistan into the Indo-Pak Joint Statement).

“Then came the very public hectoring that our Foreign Minister had to endure from his Pakistani counterpart in 2010,” he added.

Pakistan’s dismissal of multiple ‘information-containing’ dossiers transmitted by the Union Home Minister, as documents ‘not actionable enough’, rather more in the nature of ‘Literature’ was the latest snub, Gadkari stated.

He blamed these happenings on India’s ‘shift’ from its own earlier position.

He said, “Earlier we had rightly insisted on tangible action from Pakistan before any dialogue. However, later at a certain point-in-time, we made our policy stand on its head and agreed that dialogue was inevitable and had to be initiated, irrespective of any action on Pakistan’s part.”

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Jan 2011 20:01

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?707688

US to Provide More Military Aid to Pakistan: Report

The US will provide Pakistan with more military, intelligence and economic aid, even though top officials of the Obama administration feel that the country is not doing enough to crack down on terror havens in its tribal belt.

Vice-president Joseph Biden will deliver the message outlining the new aid package when he visits Pakistan next week, The Washington Post reported today.

Biden's visit, the paper said, is considered significant as Washington feels frustrated over delay by Pakistan army in mounting operations in North Waziristan, the area which American security agencies feel is hotbed of al-Qaeda, Taliban, Haqqani network and other radical Islamic groups confronting NATO forces in Afghanistan.

The vice-president, during his visit, is expected to meet the powerful Pakistan Army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani and top government leaders.

"Biden will challenge the Pakistanis to articulate their long term strategy for the region and indicate exactly what assistance is needed for them to move against Taliban sanctuaries in areas bordering Afghanistan," the Post said.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Jan 2011 20:08

good Kanchan gupta edit in the pioneer

Moth-eaten Pakistan ruled by mullahs

1 excerpt:

This is not to suggest that the last of the stray voices have been drowned in the tidal wave of Islamism sweeping through Pakistan. Individuals who are horrified by the idea of living in a Pakistan ruled by mullahs are outraged and have been giving vent to their feelings. But as one commentator wrote, the battle against Islamism has been lost and that’s the grim reality. We could, of course, quibble over when exactly was the battle lost. Was it the day Pakistan was born? Or was it when the first pogrom, led by Maududi, against Ahmadiyas went unpunished? Was it lost when Pakistanis acquiesced to Zia’s Islamisation programme? Or when Pakistanis justified their Government’s trans-border jihad against India by not raising their voice against the slaughter of innocents? We reap as we sow.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 08 Jan 2011 20:09

SSridhar wrote:AoA Onlee !

US has a right to interfere in Pakistan: US Ambassador to Pakistan
US ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter has said that the United States has right to interfere in Pakistan’s economic and governance affairs as the former provides funds to it, Geo News reported.

Addressing a ceremony here{Islamabad}, Cameron said that the United States provides largest aid to Pakistan, therefore, it has right to interfere in economic and governance affairs.

The ambassador said that the United States made demands to Pakistan with respect and dignity. . . .
Now, the rent giver is asking the rentier to keep the house in order.

like the camel and the ~~arap~~ TSpian story. More to come.

Good news.
1) for uncle TSP nukes are its nukes now. it is a a neighbour to dlagon, sits in asian region for ever controlling the ea lanes/gelf/caspian region etc.
2) Now India will have uncle for neighbour, not TSP. can we breathe better!! TSPA will cut to size and democrazy will flourish.

uncle does not overtly support terrorism by itself.(but supports tin pot dictators......)
3) We can continue our chai biskoot talks as it is uncle and not TSP. we can continue to give MFN status to uncle ....... etc etc .
4) uncle is the biggest ekonomy and India will benefit enormously.
bad news-
uncle is in trouble with some of its states with economic problems, now add TSP as 52nd state.
uncle is the world's biggest terror exporter.
uncle is an enemy of India and hates hindus etc etc.

A loud noise-
Realisation - I was just dreaming and fell of the bed.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Jan 2011 20:26

abhishek_sharma wrote:This death in Pakistan

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/this- ... n/734931/0

But as somebody who knew Salman more than a bit, particularly in his street-fighting years (and my pavement-thumping years as a reporter), I am surprised by how little is said of him as a genuine Pakistani patriot and a proud Muslim. .....

To me the key passage is:

One is its liberal elite’s intellectual dislike/ suspicion/ distrust of India based purely on our contrasting national ideologies, further coloured by an almost unanimously shared outrage over the “injustice” in Kashmir. The other stream is more simplistic, represented by some in the religious right, particularly in Pakistani Punjab, who detest India on purely religious grounds: “How seriously can you take a country run by infidels?” Until a decade ago, this was a tiny minority you could ridicule or ignore. It is no longer so. And Taseer’s death has further shifted the balance in favour of these India-hating lunatics, and weakened those not exactly friends of India, the more rational, India-baiting, modern Pakistani nationalists.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 08 Jan 2011 20:43

Interior Minister, Rehman Malik, asks Sherry Rehman to leave the country?

When the Home minister has this to stay to another party member, then the signs are ominous, the downward spiral has started.
I wonder what kind of hay men these are? These are people who will sell their own mothers and sisters.

http://pakistantoday.com.pk/pakistan-ne ... lls-Sherry

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 08 Jan 2011 20:58

After Salman Taseer, is Sherry Rahman next on the hit list?

Other then her initiative to “reform” the blasphemy law, religious scholars accuse her of being a smoker.

Didn't Jinnah himself smoke?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Jan 2011 21:02

Ahsan Butt:
http://asiancorrespondent.com/45611/don ... ical-game/

Here’s the thing: any time you cite some verse from the Quran or some story from 1400 years ago to show that you’re right, the mullahs will cite some other verse from the Quran or some other story from 1400 years ago to show that they’re right. I hate to break this to you, but organized religions tend to send mixed messages on everything from rights to violence to duties to whatnot (and yes, fundos, I’ve read the Quran — twice, once with translation). So that’s a bit of a cul de sac in that debate.

Similarly, citing Jinnah and that “you are free to go to your temples” speech is also bound to fail. Jinnah was a lawyer and a politician, and lawyers and politicians make careers out of saying different things at different times to suit different audiences. That’s their job. The fact is, Jinnah stoked communal sentiment when he had to, and made secular-progressive sounds when he had to. So again, I say potato, and you say death to Israel — who’s to say who’s right? More generally, once you’ve ceded the substantive space upon which you will engage in combat, you’ve already lost half the battle.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 08 Jan 2011 21:14

With all Due respects, the picture and the video of Sherry Rehman, at this juncture is in my personal view inappropriate.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Jan 2011 21:17

Cyril Almeida, in the Dawn:
http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/07/who-will-fight-back.html

When it comes to using state power, the major political parties have a pretty equal, and pretty awful, record of opposing the infrastructure of jihad.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 08 Jan 2011 21:25

http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/08/indian-t ... istan.html

AMRITSAR: Indian, Punjab-based traders Saturday resumed export of tomatoes and other vegetables to Pakistan by land route, Amritsar Exports & Import Chamber Vice President Rajdeep Uppal told newsmen here.

The traders had stopped nearly 70 trucks laden with tomatoes, potatoes, ginger and chili from going to Lahore after Pakistan halted onion sales to India, where onion prices have hit the roof.

We do not want to apply tit for tat here and want trade between India and Pakistan to grow. Therefore, in a goodwill gesture, we agreed to send vegetables to Pakistan.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 08 Jan 2011 22:08

http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/0 ... direction/
Analysis: Pakistan heading in the wrong direction
The assassination of the governor of Pakistan's Punjab province is a major setback for progressive forces in that country and a deeply worrying sign for U.S. strategy in the region, says analyst Fareed Zakaria.

For the United States, this issue is actually at the center of whether or not it will be able to succeed in Afghanistan. Let's remember, the strategy in Afghanistan cannot succeed as long as there are sanctuaries for the Taliban and al Qaeda in neighboring Pakistan.

Right now what happens is the Taliban crosses the border from Afghanistan into Pakistan, regroups, gains support, logistics, resources in Pakistan, and then comes back to fight the U.S. forces or Afghan government forces. This has been the key to their ability to survive and thrive, so unless you can deal with the sanctuaries in Pakistan, you're not going to make any headway in Afghanistan.

The entire leadership of al Qaeda and the leadership of the worst elements of the Taliban are all in Pakistan now. In order to deal with that, to destroy those terrorist groups, the Pakistani army has to be willing to go into the areas where these various groups have their strongholds, mostly in a part of Pakistan called North Waziristan.

So far, the Pakistani army has refused to do so. The most important reason is that they fear a backlash within Pakistan. They're too nervous about the political consequences of having this frontal struggle against Islamic extremism. So if you can't confront Islamic extremism with things like the blasphemy law, what hope is there that they actually go ahead and mount large-scale military operations in North Waziristan?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 08 Jan 2011 22:11

vic wrote:Taseer was hardly a liberal, he was just colorful!

People like Lincoln, Gandhi etc were liberals

We need to define liberals. By certain definition Lincoln/Gandhi are fascists in the garb of liberalism. They "allowed" to let millions of people (especially Gandhi) die for their cause/value-system.

From the post A_Gupta-ji posted above,

One is its liberal elite’s intellectual dislike/ suspicion/ distrust of India based purely on our contrasting national ideologies, further coloured by an almost unanimously shared outrage over the “injustice” in Kashmir.

What kind of "contrasting" national ideologies this gentleman is talking about? Is it nature of governance or national interests OR their "belief" system? Then can one call Taseer a liberal or just a slightly lighter shade of DARK green?

I think the scale is TSPA > TSP Mullah > TSP Jihadi > TSP mango-abdul > TSP Liberal > KSA leadership > KSA mango-abdul
> KSA liberal > IM hardliner > IM Liberal > IM Mango-abdul

archan · Post by **archan** » 08 Jan 2011 22:20

OT posts by Acharya/Venkarl/Manny/Hari Seldon/menon s moved to OT thread in GDF.

menon s wrote:With all Due respects, the picture and the video of Sherry Rehman, at this juncture is in my personal view inappropriate.

I disagree. It is fine right there. What is with this supreme sense of some kind of morality that some display here? what is the problem, is she shown naked or what? it is a well known youtube vid. It is not like the paki fundus are going to read BRF and go shoot her!

And coming from you, whose last post in this (yes, TSP thread) was

menon s wrote:I think we need to reply to the congress bullshit. I hate both the BJP and RSS, but i cannot side up with congress.

What was that doing in the TSP thread? how was that appropriate?
gimme a break.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 08 Jan 2011 22:32

in Dacca back to East Pakistan? Col nadir Alis confession. A rapist Punjabi Army officers confession, on the misdeeds of the winter of 1971.
http://www.viewpointonline.net/a-khaki- ... -1971.html

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jan 2011 23:19

Hari Seldon wrote:GoI is hell-bent on 'talking' to TSP, whatever that means. Now if GoI is being chankian and allowing the enemy to commit hara-kiri without a life-saving 'Yindoo conspiracy' slogan to rescue the poaks, then its one thing. I don;t buy that line however.

Once again, we're left to Pak's stoopidity to save GoI policy. Sigh.

Pressure from US on GOI to give facing concessions to TSP is very high. The reason is GOI wants something in the international arena UNSC etc.
Talks are a way to show good faith. Then TSP tactical brilliance kicks in as they think GOI is weak and set off a terrorist attack. GOI calls of the talks and cycle resumes.

* In international diplomacy you have to give something if you want something. Principle of reciprocity Talleyrand said this first.

The INC led GOI has problem of "tryst with destiny" as defined by their leadership: Nukes, UNSC seat, etc. Unfortunately NDA set off the bums and stole their thunder. In Indian political space they have to achieve something of equal magnitude. And US knows that wants its Shylock share to suit its interests.

No hard feelings just the facts.

partha · Post by **partha** » 08 Jan 2011 23:35

ramanaji,

How will US profit from forcing India to talk to Pak? It very well knows India won't give up Kashmir and even without talks there is less chance of India going to war against Pak if at all India-Pak war is the main concern of US.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Jan 2011 00:11

US has something called " India Card"
It gives them results from Pak establishment

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 09 Jan 2011 00:38

The INC led GOI has problem of "tryst with destiny" as defined by their leadership: Nukes, UNSC seat, etc. Unfortunately NDA set off the bums and stole their thunder. In Indian political space they have to achieve something of equal magnitude. And US knows that wants its Shylock share to suit its interests.

No hard feelings just the facts.

ramana - check your facts about the nuke explosions. ABV credited PVN. The facts are that INC led by Mrs Gandhi broke Pakistan into two! Something that ABV had the opportunity though not the political will to repeat. No hard feelings, just the facts.

No Indian government will backtrack on Kashmir - UPA or NDA.