Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Dec. 28, 2010

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 10 Jan 2011 00:32

Gerard wrote:What, pray tell, is a secular Islamic state?

The one that is inhabited by honest, trustworthy pakis.

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 10 Jan 2011 00:40

anupmisra wrote:The one that is inhabited by honest, trustworthy pakis.

What or where is an 'honest, trustworthy paki' ?

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 10 Jan 2011 00:48

anupmisra wrote:
Gerard wrote:What, pray tell, is a secular Islamic state?
The one that is inhabited by honest, trustworthy pakis.

KrishG wrote:
anupmisra wrote:...............................
What or where is an 'honest, trustworthy paki' ?

Why, in a secular Islamic state.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 10 Jan 2011 01:12

The decline of Newsweek to below yellow rag status is interesting

It used to be a little bit more world oriented in its reporting than Time but now is absolute trash.

what else can explain a magazine that opens a Pakistani version - oh I am sure thats going to rescue you from the toilet
lol

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 10 Jan 2011 01:27

How America can make a difference by Shehrbano Taseer

But please. Lets see that money first.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Jan 2011 02:10

I for once cannot figure out the holy significance of Q In Queer quom of Poakers.
Qasim the first father , Qaid the second father, Qaida the third collective father ,Qadir the Nuke Hero , Qadir of Tasser weirdo and now kuffar quoted Question mark on Poak taqddeer nearo.

Joseph · Post by **Joseph** » 10 Jan 2011 03:35

darshhan wrote:
Singha wrote:er um sherbano taseer the daughter is a newsweek reporter. late guv was likely on the US payroll in some way too...
op ed by her in NYT no less - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/opini ... er.html?hp
Apparently this is one article she wrote for newsweek Pakistan regarding the same blasphemy issue.

http://www.newsweekpakistan.com/scope/177

From 1986 to 2009, some 479 Muslims, 340 Ahmadis, 119 Christians, 14 Hindus, and 10 others have been charged under the laws, according to the National Commission for Justice and Peace, an advocacy group set up by Pakistan’s Catholic bishops.

Even a Liberal Pakistani like Shehrbano Taseer classifies Ahmadis as non Muslims as the more pious have been doing for decades.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 Jan 2011 03:53

Gerard wrote:How America can make a difference by Shehrbano Taseer
But please. Lets see that money first.

They can do so by sending boxes of mangoes to ISI chief Pasha, army chief Kiyanahi to start with and many more

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 Jan 2011 03:59

Surya wrote:The decline of Newsweek to below yellow rag status is interesting

It used to be a little bit more world oriented in its reporting than Time but now is absolute trash.

what else can explain a magazine that opens a Pakistani version - oh I am sure thats going to rescue you from the toilet
lol

In High school essay writing the students are told not to get references from the following news publication

Newsweek
Time
Readers Digest

They are publications of the agencies

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 10 Jan 2011 04:14

From Gerard's link

Shehrbano Taseer is a freelance journalist currently based in Washington, D.C

That sums it all

Anurag · Post by **Anurag** » 10 Jan 2011 04:42

Baikul wrote:]

Why, in a secular Islamic state.

That, right there is an oxymoronic statement! Sounds the same as "a peaceful explosion"! LOL

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Jan 2011 04:53

PM Magoo rangs up Speaker Indian Lok Sabha

Prime Minister Sayed Yusaaf Raza Gilani Sunday rang up Speaker Indian Lok Sabha Ms. Meira Kumar and exchanged greetings of New Year. The Prime Minister conveyed his well wishes for her future endeavours. It may be recalled that Ms. Meira Kumar had sent a message of greetings to the Prime Minister on the eve of New Year.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... -Lok-Sabha

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Jan 2011 04:57

Dacoits strike 40 times in Lahore
Ghajwa E Lahore from the Hills on the way
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... -in-Lahore

LAHORE – Dacoits struck the Punjab Capital over 40 times on Saturday, shot and injured a few people on offering resistance and made off with cash, gold ornaments, cellular phones and other valuables worth millions of rupees besides snatching three cars and five motorcycles, police sources said.
Insiders say the dacoits stormed into the house of one Muhammad Idress in Shahdara Town and deprived him of cash, gold ornaments and other valuables worth over Rs 1.8 million.
They further said the dacoits remained on rampage in Sattokatla where they looted another citizen Niamat and snatched gold ornaments and other valuables worth Rs 1.4 million.
People remained under severe stress in Kot Lakhpat police precincts as the dacoits also entered into a house of a person Mubashir and put his family at gun-point and deprived him of Rs 1 million.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 10 Jan 2011 05:04

Joseph wrote: Even a Liberal Pakistani like Shehrbano Taseer classifies Ahmadis as non Muslims as the more pious have been doing for decades.

Liberal as in whiskey guzzling, armani suit wearing and cuban cigar smoking fellow for the mard.
While for the ayesha it would mean chanel 5 smearing, free lance dating and whiskey guzzling paki.
Beyond that, liberal paki (supports) means one who liberally beheads those who oppose islam.

rahuls · Post by **rahuls** » 10 Jan 2011 05:06

Guys you must see this, an interesting interview with Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_JuaBnw4k

Edit: In part 3 @3.38, he says that if Isreal, US or any country attacks Pakistan then Pakistan should nuke India, this coming from a former Paki chief. Gurus, if any one knows, how true is this, is it part of formal Paki strategy ?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Jan 2011 05:42

Joseph wrote:
From 1986 to 2009, some 479 Muslims, 340 Ahmadis, 119 Christians, 14 Hindus, and 10 others have been charged under the laws, according to the National Commission for Justice and Peace, an advocacy group set up by Pakistan’s Catholic bishops.
Even a Liberal Pakistani like Shehrbano Taseer classifies Ahmadis as non Muslims as the more pious have been doing for decades.

I looked a little deeper. That above is very clever, quoting the Catholic "National Commission for Justice and Peace". Also downloaded the report, takes a long time at 52MB. (http://www.ncjppk.org/HRM%20Final%20June%2009-2010.pdf ). The numbers are also somewhat off - the NCJP document has 444 Muslims and 454 Ahmadis charged with blasphemy 1986-2009 (page 85 of the document).

Elsewhere S. Taseer wrote:
http://criticalppp.com/archives/21689

I felt sick to my stomach, then, when I read today that local clerics refused to shelter 500 flood-affected families belonging to the Ahmadiya community in South Punjab’s relief camps.

To highlight the single difference in the Ahmeddiya belief that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the promised Messiah and Mahdi at a time like this is ludicrous. What about the fact that Ahmedi’s, like the rest of us, accept the Quran as their holy text, face the Kaaba during prayer, accept the authority of Hadiths, and practice the Sunnah? They accept tawhid (the onness of God), revere other historical prophets, and believe in Muhammad PBUH’s prophethood.....

....To focus on divinity and versions of beliefs makes no sense to me. Not now, not ever. I’d rather talk about humanity. How our prophets lived their lives, here on Earth. Their kindness, their tolerance, their strength. They didn’t measure goodness by what they didn’t do, what they denied themselves, what they resisted, and who they excluded. They measured their goodness by what they embraced, what they created, and who they included.

It is difficult to stomach that in the face of this unprecedented national calamity, the mullahs have the ability to spread such hatred, and that the administration chooses to comply. There has been a terrible mistake in the way our society has chosen to organize itself in the wake of the floods. Surely this is a time for solidarity.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Jan 2011 06:17

Aatish Taseer (someone previously posted this link)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -this.html

I cite it here for this reason:

And, in the end, as much as Pakistan had been the cause of our first estrangement, it was also the cause of our second, which began soon after the London bombings, when my father wrote me an angry letter about a story I had written for Prospect magazine in which I described the British second-generation Pakistani as the genus of Islamic terrorism in Britain.

That Aatish Taseer article is likely this:
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2005/ ... hjihadist/

A British jihadist
Aatish Taseer
28th August 2005 — Issue 113
Hassan Butt, a 25 year old from Manchester, helped recruit Muslims to fight in Afghanistan. Like most of the London bombers, he is a British Pakistani who journeyed from rootlessness to radical Islam

Their {first generation immigrations in Great Britain} involvement in 7/7 is a generational one: they have raised the people who are the genus of Islamic extremism in this country—the second-generation British Pakistanis.

As a half-Indian, half-Pakistani with a strong connection to this country, I have observed the gulf between what it means to be British Pakistani and British Indian. To be Indian is to come from a safe, ancient country and, more recently, from an emerging power. In contrast, to be Pakistani is to begin with a depleted idea of nationhood. In the 55 years that Pakistan has been a country, it has been a dangerous, violent place, defined by hatred of the other—India.

Unfortunately, the full article requires being a subscriber.

But methinks, of the Taseer family, Aatish is by far the best writer!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Jan 2011 06:23

Part two of Aatish Taseer's article is here:
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2005/ ... stparttwo/
Part two can be read in full - it is an interview with a jihadi named Butt.
Among other interesting parts,

Taseer: What about Kashmir, have you been involved in the fight there?

Butt: I have lectured there twice to English students in the Pakistani-controlled area. I lectured in Islamabad in one of the hotels, with someone from Kashmir, I can’t remember the brother’s name now. He then invited me to give two separate lectures in English, to English students about how I think they should be focusing their lives. It was very productive. Kashmir is a place that has been forgotten by the world media. It’s a shame. Personally I’m not the biggest supporter of the Kashmiri jihad, because I believe a lot of it is political gaming rather than pure jihad. I see a lot of innocent lives being wasted for political motives.

Taseer: For the motives of the Pakistani government?

Butt: Yes, forcing the Indian government to keep 750,000 troops in such a small area places it under massive economic pressure.

Taseer: Is Lashkar doing good work?

Butt: I’m not a supporter of Lashkar-e-Toiba, I see them as very government-backed. I think this is a general problem in the Pakistani organisations. The minute they start attacking the government, they fear losing everything they have built up and that is a weakness in every group I see. For me, the key concept of being a separatist is that if I ask you to sacrifice your life, your wealth, your health, then you do. Ultimately, the aim is to achieve what I would say is the goal for Islam, for example to liberate Kashmir. I think Kashmir has always been a proxy war for Pakistan, and they’ve never really wanted to liberate it. I even remember speaking to General Zahir Abbassi and Hamid Gul: both of them said, “Really, if we want to liberate Kashmir, we could do so very easily.” Lashkar has 200,000 followers, we only allow in 8,000 mujahedin at a time in that area. Why? Because if we sent everyone in there it would become unoccupied, and India wouldn’t have the economic burden of having to station 750,000 troops there. It’s really disappointing.

You see, the 1,000,000,000,000,000 troops in J&K has a perverse meaning!!!!!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 Jan 2011 06:26

A_Gupta wrote: India wouldn’t have the economic burden of having to station 750,000 troops there. It’s really disappointing.

You see, the 1,000,000,000,000,000 troops in J&K has a perverse meaning!!!!!

They never understood that 750k troops are to liberate POK and northern area away from Pakistan and PRC

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Jan 2011 06:32

^^^

Typical Paki bravado of "If we wanted to get Cashmere we could have!!". As someone I know likes saying on twitter

"Paki army is the first army in history to win more elections than wars".

If the intention was not to ever take over J&K, why did Jinnah ask his British general to attack IA in 1948? Why the 1965 war? Why Kargil? Remember the line after Kargil was "We might not have achieved anything (read: lost in Kargil) but we internationalized the Cashmere issue" -- another line of obfuscation to protect H&D in J&K (just like 1965 was a glorious victory for Pakistan)*

Pakis have tried their best. Their level best. Of mobilizing all resources -- economic, military, diplomatic and social -- to take on India in J&K and have lost. And the cost incurred in this process threatens to tear their country apart. This is the current problem they face. And this is something that should be hammered into the heads of WKKs who say "India can help Pakistan...."

*Sometimes I think Pakistan's greatest takleef is not being able to spin 1971 as a victory, and this obsession with the humiliation to their H&D made them go the rabid-jihadi way and would ultimately destroy their country.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Jan 2011 06:59

rahuls wrote:Guys you must see this, an interesting interview with Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU_JuaBnw4k

Edit: In part 3 @3.38, he says that if Isreal, US or any country attacks Pakistan then Pakistan should nuke India, this coming from a former Paki chief. Gurus, if any one knows, how true is this, is it part of formal Paki strategy ?

The way I see it is as follows. These mofos have been talking like this for years but it gave no takleef to unkil (the USA, for lurkers) who kept on supporting these fckers. No skin of unkils balls as long as people threaten to nuke India. A terrorist nation threatening to nuke India is in no way a threat to the world as per American logic. That is why it is important to see teh US come under direct threat of nuclear attack from Pakistan. Hopefully China too will find a nuke smuggled into Xinjiang.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 10 Jan 2011 07:16

Well Sherbano motorhama sure puts it right between the eyes:

Pakistanis – even initial advocates of the bill – are losing patience with our ally’s promise. The U.S must earn the respect of the common man and those living under and just above the poverty line – 2/3 of our population by the way, Ms. Clinton – instead of catering to Pakistan’s civil and military elite.

Well isn't it the job of your incompetent elites to cater to the common man. Since when did the Pakistani commons become US citizens or residents that the GOTUS has to earn their respect?? What are the elites such as Sherbano madam doing instead of whining about how everything wrong with Pakistan is the rest of the world's problem. Must be a more sophisticated version of the usual Paki-gun-pointed-at-own-head syndrome.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Jan 2011 07:58

India to re-visit cotton export ban to keep Pakistani onions flowing
Exactly as suspected. Pakistan's sudden ban on onions was to extract this concession from us.

India is understood to have told Pakistan that it is ready to lift the ban on cotton exports if the latter resumes its onion exports through rail and land routes.

Official sources in the Commerce Ministry said this was conveyed to Islamabad by the External Affairs Ministry. “The Indian side has conveyed to the Pakistani counterparts that it was ready to revisit the cotton export ban and ceiling issues, if the gesture is reciprocated by Pakistan through the removal of the ban on the movement of onion,” a senior official said.

On January 6, Pakistan banned onion exports to India by land. This pushed up onion prices once again to the Rs.60-70-a-kg range. Around 300 trucks carrying 3,000 tonnes of onion to India had reached Wagah near Amritsar, but were not allowed to cross the border.

Union Commerce and Industry Minister Anand Sharma termed the ban shocking and said the issue would be taken up with Islamabad.

Pakistan's textile industry has been badly hit by the suspension of cotton exports by India. It sought to import nearly one million cotton bales from India to sustain its order books and cool the domestic prices. Pakistani traders hoped to tide over the shortage by importing cotton between November and January, but India's Textiles Commissioner, who controls export and import of the commodity, suspended fresh registrations for exports.

Cotton price in Pakistan has peaked to 7,600 Pakistani rupees a maund (a bale of 37.32 kg). The flash floods in August and September displaced millions of people and submerged more than one million acres of fertile land. The areas in south Punjab and interior Sindh, which together produce the largest amount of cotton, were the most affected.

India opened registration for cotton exports of up to 2.5 million bales on December 31 last. It plans to export 2.5 million bales by February 25, since prices have almost doubled in the international market within a year. Of the 5.5 million bales of surplus, 3 million bales have already been exported. An Indian bale weighs 375 pounds or 170 kg.

“Now we are waiting for a positive response from the Pakistani side, and we could have a second look at the cotton export ceiling and ban to ease the situation there,” the official said.

The WKKs will soon have a field day.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Jan 2011 08:18

Rights activists and Islamists face-off in Karachi

The complaint was lodged on behalf of Ms. Rehman and slain Punjab Governor Salman Taseer's son, Shaan, at the Darakhshan Police Station against the Sultan Mosque cleric Munir Ahmed Shakir for inciting violence during last Friday's sermon. The cleric is also said to have declared Ms. Rehman “ wajib-ul-qatal” (permissible to be killed).

While filing the complaint, civil rights activists acknowledged that this was symbolic in nature but asserted it would send across a message that no one can declare anyone a “non-Muslim”, incite violence and get away with it.

A parallel effort is also underway to petition the Chief Justice of Pakistan to take suo motu notice of a Peshawar-based cleric who has announced an award for the murder of Aasia Bibi, the Christian woman who has been sentenced to death by a sessions court for allegedly committing blasphemy.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 10 Jan 2011 09:04

Being toomuch involved in T stuff, got distracted from this interesting dhaga for a while and completely missed this dhaga during these Salman Taseer death etc.

What is BRF's majority take. Is it inline with the following thoughts? I am too lazy to go back for five to 10 pages of this thread.

(1) The divisions between the bearded ones and the army has widened from 2004 onwards and the gap has increased due drone attacks.
(2) There is serious need to remove this gap to take the relationship between beards and Army if Pakistan has to get back to glorious past
(3) All the security gaurds and other security is nothing but the ones carefully drafted by Army
(4) In pursuit of show of loyalty to the beards inside Army and outside - the Army has orchestrated dumping few RAPES. Army itself has many fellow RAPES but however, in the larger interest of the nation it is okay to dump few of them.
(5) Salman Tasseer is the first to go and no one was going to be arrested as well

Predictions...
(1) Few more RAPES are going to be dumped this way. Sherry Rahman is already shivering. Might get asylum somewhere probably Canada.
(2) All the Politicians are being targeted by Army using the beards. This could be a confidence building measure to bring back the memorable loyalties of the past.
(3) Help the beards do few dhamakas here and there. India, west etc.
(4) As there will be no RAPE ready to rule Army will quietly take over. This a COUP without actullay doing a COUP. With this modern day TSP coup, Kiyani is going to prove a notch above Mushy.

I don't know the BRF experts' views unless I read last 5 pages.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 10 Jan 2011 09:07

Perhaps chickens are being killed to frighten monkeys with dollars.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Jan 2011 09:15

Mupalla it may be worse than this happy scenario you have painted. Things may not be under total control. The aam Abdul with military training is developing a political opinion that is breaking down discipline. That means army afsars are not safe from their own men. Anyone suspected of being a kafir or munafiqoon may summarily get executed. The officers will now have to behave very ve-ry Islamic. If discipline is going to break down - it is very serious.It means strict adherence to prayer timings and ramzan etc.

For example if you are officer on a military exercise and a junior asks for a break for 1 o'clock prayer - can you tell him that this is simulated war and that he must remain on duty and avoid prayer, or should you say "It's only an exercise. Go ahead and pray" Either way it won't be good. For Pakistan.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 10 Jan 2011 09:20

SSridhar wrote:India to re-visit cotton export ban to keep Pakistani onions flowing
Exactly as suspected. Pakistan's sudden ban on onions was to extract this concession from us.
The WKKs will soon have a field day.

Why not import from China? After all, they're the largest producer of onions in the world and they need cotton too.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 10 Jan 2011 09:23

I don't know Shiv, this is how they converted Army men into mujahideen to conduct Kargil. I understand the dicipline part but they can always find exception to dicipline. For example as part of jihad one can rape kaffir. Similarly in war (jihad) you can skip 1pm prayer. In such a situation some maulana will put a rule saying during jihad 1 rape = five prayers. Any such bizzare things are possible.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Jan 2011 09:23

ArmenT wrote:
SSridhar wrote:India to re-visit cotton export ban to keep Pakistani onions flowing
Exactly as suspected. Pakistan's sudden ban on onions was to extract this concession from us.
The WKKs will soon have a field day.
Why not import from China? After all, they're the largest producer of onions in the world and they need cotton too.

Shipping costs will be higher. From Pakistan the trucks need to go only a few dozen km. From China it is by ship.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Jan 2011 09:34

Muppalla wrote:I don't know Shiv, this is how they converted Army men into mujahideen to conduct Kargil. I understand the dicipline part but they can always find exception to dicipline. For example as part of jihad one can rape kaffir. Similarly in war (jihad) you can skip 1pm prayer. In such a situation some maulana will put a rule saying during jihad 1 rape = five prayers. Any such bizzare things are possible.

Yes but most of the time there is no war but Islam is there all the time and the Abduls who want to be pious will have to be allowed to be pious. If you are practicing for war you will have to pretend that there is war and cancel prayers.

Who will cancel prayers in the absence of real war? Only a disciplined military officer will do that. But if a soldier loses discipline and starts thinking "This is an exercise, not real war and prayer is more important than pretence" the officer will not be in a position to punish the errant junior. Any punishment may later lead to his own killing.

An armed soldier or policeman is supposed to be disciplined. They cannot just shoot anyone although they have the power. Taseer's killing is a clear case of loss of discipline because of a political opinion of the killer. The 1857 first war of independence was because of soldiers being motivated by political-religious considerations. It was after this that the Brits started feeling that the Mussalmaan of the North West was less political than the devious eastern Indian/Bengali. That is when they started chamcha-fying the future Pakis with the "Martial race" theory.

For a soldier - political opinion has to be totally detached from discipline. if that is not happening - there is a basic failure in training and indoctrination. Sajad Haider writes in his book about how the Air Force messes that used to allow liquor and girls gradually became pious and there are more recent references to that. The wealthy RAPE who becomes an army officer may have a son who is living the good life in the west but his life has to appearvery pious to his soldiers. So he must live a double life. In the old days the Abdul Paki would accept the officrs double life just like he accepted gora sahibs odd habits. That is being changed and a critical mass may now have passed.

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 10 Jan 2011 09:43

Cant Indians live for a couple of months without onions? As far as I can see...surplus cotton can be stored for quite a long time. If you have surplus onion and if you refuse to export that surplus onion to India then you need to store those surplus onions if you dont find alternative market. How good are the Paki long term storage facilities? And onions have a certain shelf life....after that they rot. If Pakis refuse to export onions to India....let them onions rot. Diet without onion for a couple of months will not be the end of the world if that sacrifice would teach Pakis a lesson.
Avram

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 10 Jan 2011 09:47

KrishG wrote:
anupmisra wrote:The one that is inhabited by honest, trustworthy pakis.
What or where is an 'honest, trustworthy paki' ?

An honest trustworthy paki lives in a secular islamic state. Since that state does not exist, an honest trustworthy paki is therefore an impossibility, and an oxymoron.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 10 Jan 2011 09:55

And, the argument to end all arguments (delivered only by a paki):

Qadri is not a religious fanatic

This was disclosed in the initial report submitted to Interior Minister Rehman Malik. According to the report, Mumtaz Qadri had fulfilled all worldly requirements and was married 11 months ago. Before his marriage, he had a long love affair with a girl residing in Karachi. He some times grew beard or trimmed it.

Officials are investigating how the idea of attacking Governor Taseer came to his mind because he is not religious fanatic.

Mumtaz Qadri never enrolled at any Madrassa

It is surprising for security officials that how a man having inclination towards the Dawat-e-Islami took the extreme step of killing Governor Taseer when no suspected militant out of the 150 arrested from the suburbs of the capital belongs to this religious party.

Must have been his newly wedded wife who probably nagged him about his ex-girlfriend and egged him to do something worthwhile with his life.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Jan 2011 10:09

Shiv-ji

A "national reconciliation guvrmand" (made up of Khakhis with a smattering of the lotas) cannot be ruled out. In fact, it will be sold to Unkil as the only possible way to massively restructure Pakistani economy and the Jihadis. If you remember, when Mushy sided with Unkil there were massive rage-boy protests after every friday prayer. Later it turned out that it was a dog and pony show to extract even more from Unkil....

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Jan 2011 10:14

anupmisra wrote:Must have been his newly wedded wife who probably nagged him about his ex-girlfriend and egged him to do something worthwhile with his life.

Gem that surely should be x-posted to BENIS

wig · Post by **wig** » 10 Jan 2011 10:17

an intersting article in today's tribune published from chandigarh on the family of the late salman tasseer and his late father.

Like father, like son
by R.K. Kaushik

IN history, sometimes along with human beings institutions also migrate. In the year 1947, one such institution, which migrated from Amritsar to Lahore was Muslim Anglo-Oriental (MAO) College. This college had a very famous Principal, who was also the first person from Punjab to get a PhD in English from Cambridge University of England.

It was one day in the summer of 1937 that he, a bachelor, went for shopping in Hall Bazaar of Amritsar. As ill luck would have it, he forgot his purse in the shop and came back. A British lady by the name of Ms. Christable picked up the purse and went next day to return it to Prof. Mohammed Din in his college.

Since the British lady had also been a Cambridge student, an instant friendship started. May be, that was love at first sight. Later, they decided to get married and their Nikah ceremony was performed by Sir Allama Iqbal.

Prof. Mohammed Din had three children — two daughters followed by a son, who was born in 1946. Christable’s younger sister Alys also started visiting Amritsar and developed a liking for a lecturer of English at MAO College named Faiz Ahmed Faiz. The younger sister followed the elder one and married Faiz.

At the time of Partition, most of the Muslim students and teachers of MAO College of Amritsar moved to Pakistan along with the college. The college itself got shifted to the premises of DAV College of Lahore located in the lower Mall. It still runs there.

Prof Mohammed Din was handsome and a voracious reader, besides being a famous Urdu poet, with the surname of Taseer. He took over the Principalship of Islamia College, Lahore. Prof. Mohammed Din Taseer had an early death in the late 50s. His son and two daughters were brought up by his wife Christable — now converted to Islam with the new name Bilquees. The daughters settled in England after marriage in Muslim families and the son, Salman Taseer, became a chartered accountant. He later joined politics and became a famous leader of the Pakistan People’s Party. He became the Governor of Punjab province of Pakistan in May 2008 and was murdered a few days ago by a fanatic.

Sometimes I think that had Prof Mohammed Din not lost his purse in the shop in Hall Bazaar, Amritsar, and had that not been found by the British damsel, many such events would not have happened.

Salman Taseer was murdered because of his stand on the blasphemy law regarding Holy Prophet. There is a strange coincidence. His father too had praised, defended and arranged for the funeral of Illamddin in 1929 because Illamddin, who had killed Rajpal Malhotra, the owner of Hind Pocket Books and father of former Punjab Governor Surender Nath because of his comments on Holy Prophet.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110110/edit.htm#5

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Jan 2011 10:50

Need for more US interest in Balochistan
http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2011/01 ... st-in.html

There is a need for the US to pay more attention to Balochistan as part of its Af-Pak strategy in order to pacify the Pashtun militancy encouraged by Al Qaeda and the Talibans operating in the Pashtun belt on both sides of the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Balochistan is one of the areas of Pakistan where the influence of the mullas (clergy) is limited. The Balochs have no love for either the Army or the Mullas. The present struggle of the Baloch nationalists is directed against both the Army and the Mullas. The success of the nationalists would provide the US-led NATO forces with a rear base, free of the extremist virus, from which they could operate against Al Qaeda and the Talibans. A progressive and developed Balochistan could be an important component of the ideological struggle against Wahabised Islamic extremism, which today controls large areas of Pakistani Punjab and the Pashtun belt. 2. A Baloch component of the Af-Pak strategy should pay attention to the following aspects:* Allocation of more American funds for the economic and educational development of Balochistan and the improvement of its infrastructure.
* The US should pay more attention to new ideas such as using the Chinese-constructed Gwadar port for providing logistic supplies to the NATO forces in Afghanistan, thereby reducing the present dependence on the Karachi port and truck movements from Karachi to Afghanistan. A US interest in Gwadar could achieve two objectives. It could seek to keep the Chinese Navy out of this area, thereby reducing the security concerns of the Gulf States and it could make Gwadar serve the economic interests of Afghanistan and the Central Asian Republics and not merely of Western China. There is already some support even in Government circles in Balochistan to the idea of an American role in the further development of the Gwadar port. Talking to the local media on January 2, Balochisan’s Chief Minister Muhammad Aslam Raisani said that the provincial government was ready to provide security to NATO supplies if they were transported through the Gwadar port. Raisani said that the NATO forces would have to invest $1.5 billion for the construction of roads to facilitate the transportation of oil to Afghanistan through the Gwadar port. He added that the Afghan Transit Trade through Gwadar could promote trade and business in Balochistan besides opening new opportunities for employment. According to him, the Afghan Transit Trade through Gwadar Port was the need of hour for the development of the port.
* Greater US attention to the human rights situation in Balochistan and to the aspirations of the Baloch nationalists. After having kept its eyes closed to the deteriorating human rights situation in Balochistan all these years, the US is showing some signs---still inadequate--- of concern over the suppression of the Balochs. This became evident from a “New York Times” report of December 30,2010, according to which, the US has been voicing concern over reports from human rights groups that Pakistan’s security forces are holding thousands of political separatists without charge. Citing a State Department report to Congress, the “NY Times” said the Barack Obama administration was alarmed by reports that separatists, mostly from Balochistan, had been detained over the past decade and were being held incommunicado. Some of the missing were guerrillas and others civilians. The State Department report, obtained by the paper, said that some American officials think that the Pakistanis have used the pretext of war to imprison members of the Baloch nationalist opposition. The report urged Pakistan to address the issue and other rights abuses, the paper said. “There continue to be gross violations of human rights by Pakistani security forces,” the report said. “The Pakistani government has made limited progress in advancing human rights and continues to face human rights challenges.” The Reuters news agency had reported that in late September last year the US had asked Pakistan for information about a video posted on the Internet purporting to show men in Pakistani military fatigues lined up in a firing squad shooting bound and blindfolded men.

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 10 Jan 2011 10:54

A_Gupta wrote: But methinks, of the Taseer family, Aatish is by far the best writer!

Aatish Taseer is the son of Salman Taseer and Tavleen Singh - wallah!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Jan 2011 11:21

The daughter, writing in an Indian paper today says that her father's death will not be in vain,despite the prophets of doom for the liberals in Pak,as people like Imran,etc. have also come forth demanding a change in the blasphemy law.I fear for Imran if so! He will not be facing a leather ball,but full metal jacketed projectiles in future.Unless the Paki army cracksdown on the tribes of "ungodlies",or cracks head and does some jugglery revising the blasphemy law,Pak is going to be rent into two internally by the hordes of barbarian jehadis.Hamid Gul's ranting and raving about "nuking India" shows the utter depravity of the Paki mindst and the depths to which it has plummeted-to the sewer.The US has a huge responsibility as it still continues to submit to Paki blackmail,providing it with the aid and military toys to be used against India and now being paid for by India as we buy US weaponry! The GOI should change its stand and demand a halt to US military aid to Pak or face a boycott of US arms.Sadly MMS lacks the male appendages required to be able to stand firm!